Did nabi saw know this that Umar and abubakar know will do this to ahlebait

[aliwarism99]

Kya nabi saw ko pata tha k Umar aur abubakar ahlebait k Sath zulm kare ga aur bagawat Kara ga

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 3/19/2025 at 8:10 PM, aliwarism99 said:

Kya nabi saw ko pata tha k Umar aur abubakar ahlebait k Sath zulm kare ga aur bagawat Kara ga

Rasol-Allah(SAAWW) ko Allah (عزّ وجلّ,) ney Qayamat tak k waqiat Bata diye the. Tu bilkul Rasol-Allah (SAAWW) ko bilkul pata tha Jo bhi hone Wala tha.

[Mubasshir Miraj]

3 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

Rasol-Allah(SAAWW) ko Allah (عزّ وجلّ,) ney Qayamat tak k waqiat Bata diye the. Tu bilkul Rasol-Allah (SAAWW) ko bilkul pata tha Jo bhi hone Wala tha.

What is your source?  i.e. where did you get that Allah has told rasul (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) every incidents that would happen before qiamat?

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 3/21/2025 at 6:28 PM, Mubasshir Miraj said:

What is your source?  i.e. where did you get that Allah has told rasul (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) every incidents that would happen before qiamat?

Well, there are plenty of knowledge about the future which Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP) told to his Ummah that included the early demise of his daughter Syeda Fatima Zahra after him and incident of Karbala and many things which suggest that Prophet (PBUHHP) knew what was to come in future which itself implies that Prophet (PBUHHP) knew everything about future. 

But for your own satisfaction, I narrate following hadith:

In Al-Kafi, it is narrated that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said:
"By Allah, I know everything from the heavens to the earth, and I know what is in the heavens and what is on the earth, and I know what is in Paradise and what is in Hell, and I know what was and what will be."
(Al-Kafi, Volume 1, Page 261)

In the above Hadith, Imam Ali (عليه السلام) tells that I know what happened in the past and what will happen in future. 

However, whatever Imam Ali (عليه السلام) knew was taught to him by Prophet (PBUHHP) which is what the following hadith says:

 

 Narrated Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (عليه السلام), who said:

"The knowledge of the Prophet (peace be upon him) was inherited by Ali ibn Abi Talib (عليه السلام), and after him, it was passed down to the Imams from his progeny, one after the other, until it reached me (Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq)." Al-Kafi, Volume 1, Page 222

Thus, the Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP) knew everything about future and 12 Imams inherited that knowledge from him.

[Abu Nur]

10 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

In Al-Kafi, it is narrated that Imam Ali (عليه السلام) said:
"By Allah, I know everything from the heavens to the earth, and I know what is in the heavens and what is on the earth, and I know what is in Paradise and what is in Hell, and I know what was and what will be."
(Al-Kafi, Volume 1, Page 261)

What is the chain of this narratiom and is there any ghulat in the chain?

[Borntowitnesstruth]

10 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

What is the chain of this narratiom and is there any ghulat in the chain?

According to what I know this hadith is reliable and you can check the chain in reference. Also there is another hadith like in Amali-e-Tusi under the title I am Sadiq or I am Siddique, I am forgetting exact title which I will mention it tomorrow insha-Allah.

[Abu Nur]

10 minutes ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

According to what I know this hadith is reliable and you can check the chain in reference. Also there is another hadith like in Amali-e-Tusi under the title I am Sadiq or I am Siddique, I am forgetting exact title which I will mention it tomorrow insha-Allah.

Yes, it is reliable. Allamah Majlisi said that the content of the narration should be inteprated such that it will not be falled to Ghuluw. Which means that here everything does not mean absolute knowledge. I believe here what our Imam means is that He have vast knowledge but not infinite.

[Borntowitnesstruth]

3 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Yes, it is reliable. Allamah Majlisi said that the content of the narration should be inteprated such that it will not be falled to Ghuluw. Which means that here everything does not mean absolute knowledge. I believe here what our Imam means is that He have vast knowledge but not infinite.

Ghulw is when someone equate Imam with Prophet or Allah (عزّ وجلّ). Nauzbillah. In comparison to Prophet and Allah (عزّ وجلّ), Imam Ali's knowledge is finite. But, in comparison to us, it is infinite.

[Eddie Mecca]

7 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

Imam Ali's knowledge is finite. But, in comparison to us, it is infinite

I wouldn't use the word "infinite"...I think the term "vast" would be more appropriate...everything doesn't literally mean "everything"...Allah is not a miser and He's not stingy with His gifts...when He gives, He gives in great abundance 

[Borntowitnesstruth]

14 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

I wouldn't use the word "infinite"...I think the term "vast" would be more appropriate...everything doesn't literally mean "everything"...Allah is not a miser and He's not stingy with His gifts...when He gives, He gives in great abundance 

Well, I said it infinite in comparison to us because we cannot put a limit to his knowledge as Imam Ali (عليه السلام) has not ceased to learn new knowledge nor Prophet (PBUHHP) and Allah (عزّ وجلّ) have ceased to teach him. So, with every second of his existence his knowledge is increasing and you cannot put a bound on his knowledge as it's increasing. Or can you? This, an unceasing gaining of knowledge is an infinite process. That's my perspective.

[Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi]

9 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

What is the chain of this narratiom and is there any ghulat in the chain?

Have a question though. Many authors not narrators have been labeled as Ghulat, how does that affect their books and what they quoted in them from imams ?(we may ignore author's own opinions)

Especially when they were relied upon by Muhadeseen who in their intros of books testified to authenticity of sources they quote from?

If a chain in Al-Kafi has a Ghali, he was an author, reliable enough that his book was trusted by the likes of Kyulani, Sadooq etc How does being a ghali affects hadith when the person was relied upon in hadith transmission?

[Abu Nur]

2 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Have a question though. Many authors not narrators have been labeled as Ghulat, how does that affect their books and what they quoted in them from imams ?(we may ignore author's own opinions)

Especially when they were relied upon by Muhadeseen who in their intros of books testified to authenticity of sources they quote from?

If a chain in Al-Kafi has a Ghali, he was an author, reliable enough that his book was trusted by the likes of Kyulani, Sadooq etc How does being a ghali affects hadith when the person was relied upon in hadith transmission?

I asked because we have some narrators of extreme in Ghulat who for example al-Najashi declared them weak.

[Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi]

Just now, Abu Nur said:

I asked because we have some narrators of extreme in Ghulat who for example al-Najashi declared them weak.

Agreed they can have false beliefs and they can be weak as narrators (lets assume) but how does that work when one literally wrote down words of imam in his book? Weakness in memory, religions, character etc doesn't apply to it brother. And when Najashi declares them weak, what he means by weakness? Religion? or what? Besides what evidence Najashi has that X,y or z companion of Imam was weak? Najashi obviously never met them right?