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How the hell do I know my faith is real?

If you ask yes, I believe in a Creator, its intelligence, its One, its send Prophets, the Creator is the same God as described by the Prophet Muhammad pbhu, Jesus, and Abraham. Also that Imam Ali as should be the wali instead of Abu bakr and Omar
But sometime I doubt if my faith is real, because everything feels so fragile
Sometime i would go "what if?"
I know its waswas
But there are other reason that i am doubting if my faith is even real

1. When i read Quran i almsot feel nothing, its empty, i need to read the meaning very closely, to get an inkling of a feeling, and thats only like 0.1% of the time

2. Whenever someone ask about faith, i start my reply with "Well, generally Muslim believes"
Like usually people goes "my believe is" or some doesnt even have starter, they just reply because its their genuine belief of the FACT
But for me there are not that? Somehow i reply in this impersonal atheistic pov

3. I am invested to scifi and philosophy, etc, with lots of ideas that challengesmy belief or discredit it altogether. There is always this lingering connection in my mind that connect religion with primitiveness, mental jump, and coping

4. When i see religious people sometime i think they are deluded, until i realize that we both have the same faith, so why am i thinking of him as deranged???

5. I feel like I am to materialistic, its really hard to grasp the metaphysical or aything thats not "real" or sufis like

6. People read quran, pray, do dua, and they feel sonething. Some dude look at the sky, see the cloud in the shape of Husayn and immideatly got inspired. Me? Having a focused prayer already count as a blessing. It seems as if my heart is dead.

7. I doubt alot, about myself, about people, about everything, idk if i could trust aybody, nor my senses. I am also lacking in social life and like to seclude myself so that doesnt help at all. The voice wont stop. Whenever doubt came it would declare "I renounce my belief" and i have to hush it out

 

I have also seen hadith where apparently showing doubt mean disbelief but i just want help, please

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6 hours ago, Botak said:

How the hell do I know my faith is real?

If you ask yes, I believe in a Creator, its intelligence, its One, its send Prophets, the Creator is the same God as described by the Prophet Muhammad pbhu, Jesus, and Abraham. Also that Imam Ali as should be the wali instead of Abu bakr and Omar
But sometime I doubt if my faith is real, because everything feels so fragile
Sometime i would go "what if?"
I know its waswas
But there are other reason that i am doubting if my faith is even real

1. When i read Quran i almsot feel nothing, its empty, i need to read the meaning very closely, to get an inkling of a feeling, and thats only like 0.1% of the time

2. Whenever someone ask about faith, i start my reply with "Well, generally Muslim believes"
Like usually people goes "my believe is" or some doesnt even have starter, they just reply because its their genuine belief of the FACT
But for me there are not that? Somehow i reply in this impersonal atheistic pov

3. I am invested to scifi and philosophy, etc, with lots of ideas that challengesmy belief or discredit it altogether. There is always this lingering connection in my mind that connect religion with primitiveness, mental jump, and coping

4. When i see religious people sometime i think they are deluded, until i realize that we both have the same faith, so why am i thinking of him as deranged???

5. I feel like I am to materialistic, its really hard to grasp the metaphysical or aything thats not "real" or sufis like

6. People read quran, pray, do dua, and they feel sonething. Some dude look at the sky, see the cloud in the shape of Husayn and immideatly got inspired. Me? Having a focused prayer already count as a blessing. It seems as if my heart is dead.

7. I doubt alot, about myself, about people, about everything, idk if i could trust aybody, nor my senses. I am also lacking in social life and like to seclude myself so that doesnt help at all. The voice wont stop. Whenever doubt came it would declare "I renounce my belief" and i have to hush it out

 

I have also seen hadith where apparently showing doubt mean disbelief but i just want help, please

Salam brother @Botak you are not alone and let me tell you this, its just random thoughts and waswasas from shaitan and they've nothing to do with you doubting or kufar.

You are just fine but overthinking. See in 24 hours, no body feels 100% attached to God but no body thinks about it either, in your case, you are doing and panicking.

Don't worry, just say you believe in Tawheed Prophethood and Imamah, and continue to do your daily tasks. Whenever waswasa comes, ignore it it's nothing.

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On 3/19/2025 at 12:17 PM, Botak said:

How the hell do I know my faith is real?

If you ask yes, I believe in a Creator, its intelligence, its One, its send Prophets, the Creator is the same God as described by the Prophet Muhammad pbhu, Jesus, and Abraham. Also that Imam Ali as should be the wali instead of Abu bakr and Omar
But sometime I doubt if my faith is real, because everything feels so fragile
Sometime i would go "what if?"
I know its waswas
But there are other reason that i am doubting if my faith is even real

1. When i read Quran i almsot feel nothing, its empty, i need to read the meaning very closely, to get an inkling of a feeling, and thats only like 0.1% of the time

2. Whenever someone ask about faith, i start my reply with "Well, generally Muslim believes"
Like usually people goes "my believe is" or some doesnt even have starter, they just reply because its their genuine belief of the FACT
But for me there are not that? Somehow i reply in this impersonal atheistic pov

3. I am invested to scifi and philosophy, etc, with lots of ideas that challengesmy belief or discredit it altogether. There is always this lingering connection in my mind that connect religion with primitiveness, mental jump, and coping

4. When i see religious people sometime i think they are deluded, until i realize that we both have the same faith, so why am i thinking of him as deranged???

5. I feel like I am to materialistic, its really hard to grasp the metaphysical or aything thats not "real" or sufis like

6. People read quran, pray, do dua, and they feel sonething. Some dude look at the sky, see the cloud in the shape of Husayn and immideatly got inspired. Me? Having a focused prayer already count as a blessing. It seems as if my heart is dead.

7. I doubt alot, about myself, about people, about everything, idk if i could trust aybody, nor my senses. I am also lacking in social life and like to seclude myself so that doesnt help at all. The voice wont stop. Whenever doubt came it would declare "I renounce my belief" and i have to hush it out

 

I have also seen hadith where apparently showing doubt mean disbelief but i just want help, please

My brother, certainty comes from exploring your deen more. The more you read your deen, the more doubts will be extinguished. Also, you should observe nature of things, they also reveal to you answers of many religious questions because nature itself is open book of Allah (عزّ وجلّ). I am very much hopeful that when your understanding will mature, all these doubts will perish. 

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22 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Salam brother @Botak you are not alone and let me tell you this, its just random thoughts and waswasas from shaitan and they've nothing to do with you doubting or kufar.

You are just fine but overthinking. See in 24 hours, no body feels 100% attached to God but no body thinks about it either, in your case, you are doing and panicking.

Don't worry, just say you believe in Tawheed Prophethood and Imamah, and continue to do your daily tasks. Whenever waswasa comes, ignore it it's nothing.

But even when the doubt is gone, point 1 to 6 stays. These last few days my prsyer has been horrendeus

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1 hour ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

Also, you should observe nature of things, they also reveal to you answers of many religious questions because nature itself is open book of Allah (عزّ وجلّ).

Considering i spent most of my time indoor with little social life and dislike for outside...

Well i do like mountains, and i did see mountain in the past, i love them, and i was in awe. But there was little to no spark. Usually religious people go there, they immideatly go "what a magnificent creation from God" meanwhile I didnt think any of that, to focused on my daydream and just staring at it. I have to think for a bit before going yeah I guess ill say MashaAllah, but it feels forced

Which keeps reinforcing the belief that deep inside my heart isnt believing or something, God i hope not

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55 minutes ago, Botak said:

But even when the doubt is gone, point 1 to 6 stays. These last few days my prsyer has been horrendeus

It's because you are overthinking brother. In my opinion, doubt is very different from waswasa (evil thoughts from shaitan). Doubt is when one thinks like: Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) did that?? I think he must be a false Prophet etc. these things are considered as doubt and those verses and hadiths you mention, address this. That it's hypocrisy and disbelief.

in your case, it's evil thoughts (waswasa) coming to you by shaitan with no basis which you want to get rid of, i:e you get scared you turn to Allah because you can't even think of committing kufar or following those voices. Faith isn't something magic you see, it's not something tangible you need to relax and tell your mind whatever the thoughts are, i'm gonna ignore as i am a believer. Period.

Also, distract yourself with work/games surround yourself with people avoid being alone. sometimes it happens being alone makes us overthink alot.

As for genuine questions that come to your mind, be brave and find the answer. Post here we'd be happy to help if we can.

Religion isn't something you've to believe in blindly. Question each and everything and keep looking for the right path. God will never punish those, who were genuinely researching and looking for his path but couldn't due to death or their mind couldn't comprehend it. Take it easy. everyone will be question w.r.t aql he/she have been blessed with.

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1 hour ago, Botak said:

Considering i spent most of my time indoor with little social life and dislike for outside...

Well i do like mountains, and i did see mountain in the past, i love them, and i was in awe. But there was little to no spark. Usually religious people go there, they immideatly go "what a magnificent creation from God" meanwhile I didnt think any of that, to focused on my daydream and just staring at it. I have to think for a bit before going yeah I guess ill say MashaAllah, but it feels forced

Which keeps reinforcing the belief that deep inside my heart isnt believing or something, God i hope not

Well, if you read the Quran, it says regarding mountains that we inserted them into the earth like nails. And, if you read the geology of mountains, it says the same. That is to say that these are not only taller in heights but also deeper inside the earth too. If you read and compare nature of things with the divine knowledge you will learn a lot. 

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On 3/20/2025 at 7:07 AM, Botak said:

Considering i spent most of my time indoor with little social life and dislike for outside...

Well i do like mountains, and i did see mountain in the past, i love them, and i was in awe. But there was little to no spark. Usually religious people go there, they immideatly go "what a magnificent creation from God" meanwhile I didnt think any of that, to focused on my daydream and just staring at it. I have to think for a bit before going yeah I guess ill say MashaAllah, but it feels forced

Which keeps reinforcing the belief that deep inside my heart isnt believing or something, God i hope not

Salam you must increase time of social life & going outside  which you don't need to  increase time of it immediately which you can increase time of it step by step everyday .

This is not obligatory to act exactly in similar fashion of so called religious people although remain firm on your belief & follow your daydream because everyone has different viewpoint about anything which you see it from different angle from majority of people which don't do anything by force .

Try to gain more knowledge in order to accept your belief by your free will not  by reinforcing it .

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On 3/19/2025 at 2:17 PM, Botak said:

2. Whenever someone ask about faith, i start my reply with "Well, generally Muslim believes"
Like usually people goes "my believe is" or some doesnt even have starter, they just reply because its their genuine belief of the FACT
But for me there are not that? Somehow i reply in this impersonal atheistic pov

3. I am invested to scifi and philosophy, etc, with lots of ideas that challengesmy belief or discredit it altogether. There is always this lingering connection in my mind that connect religion with primitiveness, mental jump, and coping

4. When i see religious people sometime i think they are deluded, until i realize that we both have the same faith, so why am i thinking of him as deranged???

Nah but for real, are there way to fix this beside socializing with your own community?

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