I rejected every religion and became nihilistic

[Guest itsamobia]

Born to a shia father and sunni mother in a conservative family! I was curious from the day one who questioned everything from the day one!

 

My one critical analysis is every big personality who tried to guide humanity! No one is following them!

 

Jesus (No christian is following them)

Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) (No muslim is following him truly whether shia or sunni)

Karl marx (what he wrote when lenin and stalin tried to establish communist state it was not established truly)

Capitalism (There is no true productive form of capitalism right now we have fiat system which is just printing money)

Jews (Killing innocent kids)

Hamas (Killed innocent jew civilians)

In short every ideology cannot be followed 100% in this world! I was a shia back then who was against injustice and everything but when I read about iranian revolution and saw iranian government cracking down on women I lost faith!

From 5000 years old history humans are fighting for god, women, land, power. What ever word humans invented like love, justice, human rights are just words no one follows them in real life.

All these things have made me nihilistic! 

[313_Waiter]

Hi 

Premise is “No one fully follows X.”

And then you jump to “Therefore X is false / meaningless.”

This is invalid. Truth is not determined by compliance.

Humans are inconsistent and power corrupts them.

love, morality and truth is something we realise intuitively…

[Northwest]

1 hour ago, 313_Waiter said:

Hi 

Premise is “No one fully follows X.”

And then you jump to “Therefore X is false / meaningless.”

This is invalid. Truth is not determined by compliance.

@313_Waiter But isn’t its absence from human behavior suggestive? If it were clear-cut, wouldn’t there be more signs of it?

1 hour ago, 313_Waiter said:

love, morality and truth is something we realise intuitively…

If it is intuitive, then how do you explain men’s inability to find or express it, as shown by their actions throughout history?

[313_Waiter]

On 4/3/2026 at 4:18 AM, Northwest said:

But isn’t its absence from human behavior suggestive? If it were clear-cut, wouldn’t there be more signs of it?

Not necessarily. Especially not in the kali yuga/ akhiruz Zaman which is dominated by materialism and egocentrism.

On 4/3/2026 at 4:18 AM, Northwest said:

If it is intuitive, then how do you explain men’s inability to find or express it, as shown by their actions throughout history?

Recognition of reality does not always lead people to act upon it. That’s what kufr is.

if under atheism values are emergent, what does that even mean? 

what does your rationality to ask these questions under hard reductionism even mean? I.e. if what you are asking can be reduced to just meaningless atoms rearranging (and magically leading to consciousness and rationality), why should we give it any weight?

[Northwest]

6 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

Not necessarily. Especially not in the kali yuga/ akhiruz Zaman which is dominated by materialism and egocentrism.

@313_Waiter I am not referring solely to the modern era or to materialistic paradigms. Just look at the history of religious diversity, disagreement, and conflict. Were religion not a central motive, the ‘wars of faith’ would have been fought under the banners of atheism, agnosticism, and/or pluralism.

Ideas play a much larger role than instincts or economics. Heretics were not, as a rule, sentenced to death for material reasons; one must look at individual cases. For example, the fallout from the Council of Nicaea had little, if anything, to do with economic factors or personal idiosyncrasies.

Even today sectarian zealots such as ISIS or al-Qaida can hardly be said to be under the influence of materialism—reductionist explanations notwithstanding. (Western support for Zionism, likewise, has a lot to do with religious sentimentalism, ethnic mysticism, and so on.)

Yet people often selectively impute intentions to groups or causes they detest, while shielding their own (i.e., anything ‘bad’ is never religiously driven). — At any rate, the history of religious divergence and warfare suggests that the Truth is not readily obvious and/or intuitive.

6 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

Recognition of reality does not always lead people to act upon it. That’s what kufr is.

But how do you know that most people intuit the Truth? You need proof before ascribing ulterior motives (i.e., assuming bad faith). Moreover, how can you conclude that the average person is intelligent enough to divine the Truth? (I am advancing a skeptical position here, not claiming special insight myself.)

6 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

if under atheism values are emergent, what does that even mean?

My impression is that, when one considers these matters, the nature of reality is immaterial; what matters are the means one‘s constitution has provided for the discernment of truth. We still use our physiological assets—including spiritual aspects, if any—to ‘recognize’ or perceive truth(s) about reality.

This holds true whether one adheres to an atheistic, agnostic, or theistic worldview. Yet the process of recognition unfolds, in a sense.

6 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

what does your rationality to ask these questions under hard reductionism even mean?

To me, the reason is less incisive than the fact. Ability is what it is.

6 hours ago, 313_Waiter said:

I.e. if what you are asking can be reduced to just meaningless atoms rearranging (and magically leading to consciousness and rationality), why should we give it any weight?

Even if that were the case, one could still glean valuable data and/or observations from one’s environment. These, in turn, help one discern truths about life, regardless of the mechanics at work. We learn to operate within the constraints, both physical and (if any) spiritual, the universe is endowed with.

[Northwest]

@313_Waiter ^ Do you have a response to the above? It represents my objection to the notion of an intuitive ‘Truth’ (i.e., that can be distilled, or divined, by secular or religious formulae). I feel that I need more evidence to show that the ‘Truth‘ is intuitive.

[Revert1963]

On 3/2/2025 at 5:35 AM, Guest itsamobia said:

Born to a shia father and sunni mother in a conservative family!

Being a religious conservative person does not necessarily equals god-conscious (taqwa). The prophet was not a conservative. Had he been conservative, then Islam would have been Jahilliya. The conservatives at the time of the prophet was Abu Sufyan his Mushrik compatriots in Macca. A conservative wants to preserve the cultural norms that they knew from their parent and grandparent. They don't necessarily think about the deeper spiritual layer's of religion. In surah Al-Baqarah (2:170) it says: "When it is said to them, 'Follow what Allah has revealed,' they reply, 'We follow what we found our forefathers practicing.' Would they still do so, even if their forefathers had absolutely no understanding or guidance?"

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I was curious from the day one who questioned everything from the day one!

Asking questions is good. It is a prerequisite for thinking and making informed choices. In sura Aal i Imran (3:191) it says: "Those who remember Allah when standing, sitting, and on their sides, and contemplate upon the creation of the heavens and the earth (saying:) 'Lord, You have not created these in falsehood. Exaltations to You! Guard us against the punishment of the Fire.'" Nihilism, Atheism and apostasy stem form the lag of taqwa. In order to have taqwa it requires that you consciously chose God and let him be your teacher. Sura Al-Hashr (59:18): "O YOU who have attained to faith! Remain conscious of God; and let every human being look to what he sends ahead for the morrow! And [once again]: Remain conscious of God, for God is fully aware of all that you do;"

Whether other people follow God, his messanger(s) and his message or not has nothing to say. They have their free will to do what they do or to follow God. Surah Al-Baqarah (2:256): "Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood". All that matter is your relation to God, for this worl is not lasting. Sura Al-An'am (6:32): "And nothing is the life of this world but a play and a passing delight; and the life in the hereafter is by far the better for all who are conscious of God. Will you not, then, use your reason?"