Trump says US will take 'take over' Gaza: 'We'll own it'

[mahmood8726]

On 2/7/2025 at 6:23 AM, Abu Hadi said:

In my lifetime, this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard a US President say. 

At the same time I agree with @notme and others that it is a bluff and a lie. They are already 'walking back' the statement by saying Trump never said he would send US troops. At the same time, I think this statement is a setup for some future action involving Zionists and US. I'm not sure what it is at this point. 

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15451

U.S. President, Donald Trump:

 

'The United States is committed to buying and owning Gaza, and after we obtain it we may distribute parts of it to different Arab countries to develop and build on.

 

I will meet with Saudi Crown Prince Bin Salman and Egyptian President Al-Sisi, and they will accept receiving Palestinian refugees from Gaza after talking to me.'

 

 

 

Well so much for that walking back, he's doubling down on it 

 

 

And its causing iran and arabic countries to have some urgent meetings :

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15453

NEW: After calling the Foreign Ministers of Tunisia, Turkey and Egypt yesterday, Iran's Foreign Minister called the Foreign Ministers of Saudi Arabia and the Kingdom of Jordan today

[notme]

Trump does lie, but I was reading today about one of his largest donors, a zionist Israeli casino owner named Miriam Adelson. She donated 100 million dollars to trumps campaign in exchange for his promise to support Israeli annexation of West Bank. 

They might back off temporarily, but all the lies are meant to confuse and obscure, and to shift the expectation.  If he says he's going to commit an atrocity then backs down partially enough times, the atrocity will happen right under our noses and we won't even be prepared to fight back.   

[Panzerwaffe]

11 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

If America and israel go through with their ethnic cleansing plan and colonise Gaza fully by wiping it flat and building on top of it, that will trigger a regional war. They will bring America and israel a war, the same way the allies brought Hitler a war after he invaded Poland. 

Egypt is a strong army, they're no joke, so is turkey. 

Turkey probably won't do much, but Egypt, despite being morally corrupt and being a US puppet, they will dissolve the David accords and stop being a US puppet if America goes through with this plan, because Egypt can't afford to take in that many refugees. Turkey litterally overthrew bashar because millions of syrian refugees lived in turkey and Bashar refused to take them. Don't expect Egypt to allow that many refugees from Gaza and be cool with it. 

Ofcourse all Arab countries just direct the Palestinians to Europe and west as they don’t want to take in their Muslim “ brothers “

who will Egypt declare war against Israel or Palestinians? 

[Eddie Mecca]

Glenn Reacts To Trump's Gaza Takeover Plan - Glenn Greenwald - approximately 27 minutes 

 

Edited February 10 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

Trump, Gaza, Muslims and the Future of Palestinian Resistance - Independent Islamic Republic - approximately 10 minutes 

 

[mahmood8726]

9 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Ofcourse all Arab countries just direct the Palestinians to Europe and west as they don’t want to take in their Muslim “ brothers “

who will Egypt declare war against Israel or Palestinians? 

Are you even reading what I'm saying? 

I litterally just told you that this will cause Egypt to declare war on Israel if they're forced to have 2 million palestinian refugees flood their nation. 

Even sending them to europe or other Arabic countries will devastate their economy and cause so many problems, they can't afford to have that many people flooding their country. Egypt economy is not in great shape. 

A lot of arab countries have millions or hundreds of thousands of refugees, what are you talking about? My country Lebanon has 1.5-2 million syrian refugees and its devastated our economy and turned the entire lebanese populace racist against Syrians. Same with Iraq who had close to 300k syrian refugees. Same with turkey who had 3-4 million syrian refugees in its southern border region(which is why as I told you, turkey overthrew bashar who refused to take them).

Can you for a second stop having your weird inferiority complex to the west so you can actually read what I'm typing and actually think before you type this nonsense? 

Edited February 10 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

https://thecradle.co/articles/trump-acquits-israel-shifts-gaza-problem-to-arabs

 

"Cairo, wary of Trump’s machinations, has reportedly warned Washington, European allies, and Tel Aviv that its 50-year-old peace treaty with Israel is at risk if forced displacement moves forward. Jordan’s Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi went further, calling any attempt to relocate Palestinians a “declaration of war.”

Yet, despite the tough rhetoric, both Cairo and Amman remain vulnerable. Trump’s ability to manipulate financial aid as leverage could push Jordan into deeper dependence on Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile, Egypt, already navigating an economic crisis, faces a similar predicament."

 

"Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi even mocked the plan, suggesting that if Trump was so keen on deportation, he should send Israelis to Greenland instead, “so they can kill two birds with one stone,” referring to Trump’s comments on acquiring the Danish territory"

I have a suggestion, relocate all israeli colonists to Texas or any Bible belts state in America, so they can get along with their sponsors. Since they like this idea of ethnic cleansing, they should volunteer themselves. Although in this case it won't be ethnic cleansing since they're colonists, so 3 birds with one stone. 

Edited February 10 by mahmood8726

[Northwest]

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In a speech as Israel awaited the release of the first hostages, Mr Netanyahu said both President Biden and President Donald Trump promised him Israel had the right to resume the fighting “in new ways and with very great power” if Hamas violates the deal.

Source

There is 100% continuity between Trump’s actions and Biden’s, given the permanent bureaucracy and its hidden masters. Also, recall that Biden supposedly kept some weapons from Israel during the Rafah offensive. In my view, he may have been holding those weapons in reserve for a conflict with Iran and/or Hezbollah. (Just after he made that decision Israel decapitated Hezbollah’s leadership in Lebanon.) Here is my hypothesis: before or during the election Biden promised Trump and Netanyahu that the weapons would be used in such a conflict if the U.S. were to sanction a new Israeli operation vs. Gaza. In that event, should “worst-case” scenarios arise, the U.S. ruling elite is prepared to fully back up Israeli strikes on Iranian targets as well, possibly including tactical nuclear weapons as well as MOABs. That is my theory.

[mahmood8726]

Trump is now threatening that "all gates of hell will open" if hamas doesn't accept to release before Saturday. 

His admin just sent moabs to israel, although nukes seem unlikley. 

 

Trump is also threatening that he will stop sending aid to Jordan and Egypt for refusing to allow Gaza to be ethnically cleansed. Meaning Jordan and Egypt will pivot towards China, Russia and Iran and stop being American puppets and if the potential regime change against them fails, he might order the use of these satanic weapons on their populations too. 

[Panzerwaffe]

10 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

Are you even reading what I'm saying? 

I litterally just told you that this will cause Egypt to declare war on Israel if they're forced to have 2 million palestinian refugees flood their nation. 

Even sending them to europe or other Arabic countries will devastate their economy and cause so many problems, they can't afford to have that many people flooding their country. Egypt economy is not in great shape. 

A lot of arab countries have millions or hundreds of thousands of refugees, what are you talking about? My country Lebanon has 1.5-2 million syrian refugees and its devastated our economy and turned the entire lebanese populace racist against Syrians. Same with Iraq who had close to 300k syrian refugees. Same with turkey who had 3-4 million syrian refugees in its southern border region(which is why as I told you, turkey overthrew bashar who refused to take them).

Can you for a second stop having your weird inferiority complex to the west so you can actually read what I'm typing and actually think before you type this nonsense? 

Oh so you don’t want to deal with them? Your own bros and sisters , how sad 

but only western countries should suffer 

just deflecting the problem huh ? got it 

Egypt has been at war with its own people for a while why not Palestinians 

Egypt every time it fought Israel got beaten , not because IDAF is so good ( actually it’s very overrated ) because Egyptian military is corrupt and they refuse to follow their own competent leaders who at times give great advice 

 

 

Edited February 10 by Panzerwaffe

[Panzerwaffe]

26 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

Trump is now threatening that "all gates of hell will open" if hamas doesn't accept to release before Saturday. 

His admin just sent moabs to israel, although nukes seem unlikley. 

 

Trump is also threatening that he will stop sending aid to Jordan and Egypt for refusing to allow Gaza to be ethnically cleansed. Meaning Jordan and Egypt will pivot towards China, Russia and Iran and stop being American puppets and if the potential regime change against them fails, he might order the use of these satanic weapons on their populations too. 

Votes of Arab Michigan having its effect 

Btw I do like the Iranian fm remark , Jews to settle Greenland. Thats a witty comeback 

Edited February 10 by Panzerwaffe

[Abu Hadi]

On 2/9/2025 at 5:44 PM, mahmood8726 said:

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15451

U.S. President, Donald Trump:

 

'The United States is committed to buying and owning Gaza, and after we obtain it we may distribute parts of it to different Arab countries to develop and build on.

 

I will meet with Saudi Crown Prince Bin Salman and Egyptian President Al-Sisi, and they will accept receiving Palestinian refugees from Gaza after talking to me.'

 

 

 

Well so much for that walking back, he's doubling down on it 

 

 

And its causing iran and arabic countries to have some urgent meetings :

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15453

NEW: After calling the Foreign Ministers of Tunisia, Turkey and Egypt yesterday, Iran's Foreign Minister called the Foreign Ministers of Saudi Arabia and the Kingdom of Jordan today

Its not that Sisi and King Abdullah don't want to take Palestinians from Gaza and put them in squalid refugee camps for the rest of their lives in exchange for millions in cash from Zionists. I'm sure they would do that. Look at their past actions. 

The problem is ...

Every person, donkey, dog, fish, and cat in the MENA knows what they consequences of that action would be. Popular uprising then they would either be thrown out, having enough time to make it to an airport, or just be dealt with in other, more painful ways. 

This isn't the 1960s anymore where you had no social media and two or three news channels that the govt could buy off not to talk about it. 

These things that the Zionists did in the old days cannot be done anymore. Trump hasn't realized that yet. Every Palestinian that is expelled and placed in a camp in Jordan or Egypt will post about it and it will be known to the population of those countries almost instantly. Then there will be a huge reaction. 

They won't do it, and not because they care about the Palestinians, but because they care about their own rear ends. They are meeting with Iran right now so they can all send one unified message to Trump to 'Shut the F* up about this'. I think he will get that message soon. Then he will realize that he can't do his plan, then he'll forget about it, like he forgot about so many other of his 'Projects' in the past (there are 10s of these, at least, maybe hundreds). 

I think the main focus of the Zionists, going forward, is going to be to Annex Golan Heights plus the additional Syrian land they stole with the cooperation of HTS, and to try to Annex, if not the whole West Bank, at least part of it. 

Edited February 11 by Abu Hadi

[Panzerwaffe]

8 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

Its not that Sisi and King Abdullah don't want to take Palestinians from Gaza and put them in squalid refugee camps for the rest of their lives in exchange for millions in cash from Zionists. I'm sure they would do that. Look at their past actions. 

The problem is ...

Every person, donkey, dog, fish, and cat in the MENA knows what they consequences of that action would be. Popular uprising then they would either be thrown out, having enough time to make it to an airport, or just be dealt with in other, more painful ways. 

This isn't the 1960s anymore where you had no social media and two or three news channels that the govt could buy off not to talk about it. 

These things that the Zionists did in the old days cannot be done anymore. Trump hasn't realized that yet. Every Palestinian that is expelled and placed in a camp in Jordan or Egypt will post about it and it will be known to the population of those countries almost instantly. Then there will be a huge reaction. 

They won't do it, and not because they care about the Palestinians, but because they care about their own rear ends. They are meeting with Iran right now so they can all send one unified message to Trump to 'Shut the F* up about this'. I think he will get that message soon. Then he will realize that he can't do his plan, then he'll forget about it, like he forgot about so many other of his 'Projects' in the past (there are 10s of these, at least, maybe hundreds). 

I think the main focus of the Zionists, going forward, is going to be to Annex Golan Heights plus the additional Syrian land they stole with the cooperation of HTS, and to try to Annex, if not the whole West Bank, at least part of it. 

Israel is playing from the 1920s to 1940s playbook 

they think just like Germans , poles , Slavs , Greeks Turks , etc and others displaced people will just disappear and assimilate in surrounding countries 

 

[mahmood8726]

22 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Oh so you don’t want to deal with them? Your own bros and sisters , how sad 

There is a diffirence between helping people and having your country devastated by millions of refugees flooding them. Lebanon has a population of 5.3 million, the 1.5-2 million syrian refugees are 1/3rd of the country. Imagine if America had 150 million refugees come in the span of a few years, not so great now? Didn't think so. 

22 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

but only western countries should suffer 

When did I claim western countries should be devastated by a refugee crisis? And why are you fine with Arab countries being devastated by a refugee crisis? Me being "brothers and sisters" with them, doesn't justify them destroying our economy beyond rrepair.

What does this have to do with anything that I said? 

22 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

just deflecting the problem huh ? got it 

I swear you're just here to troll or rage bait with these stupid answers. 

22 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Egypt has been at war with its own people for a while why not Palestinians 

??????  

22 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Egypt every time it fought Israel got beaten , not because IDAF is so good ( actually it’s very overrated ) because Egyptian military is corrupt and they refuse to follow their own competent leaders who at times give great advice 

No one here claimed Egypt is great, everyone here hates Egypt and is fully aware Egypt is one of the most corrupt nations on this earth.

 

What does any of this have anything to do with Egypt having a legitemate concern to not accept 2 million refugees into its country and devastate its economy?

What does anything of this have anything to do with Egypt saying themselves that they will break the David accords and declare war on Israel if they go through with the ethnic cleansing of Gaza? 

[mahmood8726]

33 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Votes of Arab Michigan having its effect 

Btw I do like the Iranian fm remark , Jews to settle Greenland. Thats a witty comeback 

See here you're actually engaging with the subject. 

The Arabs who voted for Trump are getting a reality slap, everyone here told them voting for Trump wasn't going to fix anything and Trump was going to be like Biden and not make peace and here is Trump pushing for ethnic cleansing. 

Which not only will not make peace, but cause war, because no one in the middle east or Europe wants more refugees, that plus Israel is ethnically cleansing 2 million people. 

[mahmood8726]

22 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

Its not that Sisi and King Abdullah don't want to take Palestinians from Gaza and put them in squalid refugee camps for the rest of their lives in exchange for millions in cash from Zionists. I'm sure they would do that. Look at their past actions. 

Sisi and king Abdullah are pigs, they will do anything to sell out. But they understand that they are living in the real world and devastating their countries by flooding them with refugees will cause a lot of issues, that plus the reason you gave below. 

22 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

The problem is ...

Every person, donkey, dog, fish, and cat in the MENA knows what they consequences of that action would be. Popular uprising then they would either be thrown out, having enough time to make it to an airport, or just be dealt with in other, more painful ways. 

This isn't the 1960s anymore where you had no social media and two or three news channels that the govt could buy off not to talk about it. 

 

22 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

These things that the Zionists did in the old days cannot be done anymore. Trump hasn't realized that yet. Every Palestinian that is expelled and placed in a camp in Jordan or Egypt will post about it and it will be known to the population of those countries almost instantly. Then there will be a huge reaction. 

Yeah but America and israel don't seem to care anymore, they realized they can just give the stupidest excuses and their blind followers will just beleive it. I'm certain trump's handlers are fully aware of this and just stopped caring, they realise they lost the PR war in 2023 and they're not even trying anymore. 

22 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

They won't do it, and not because they care about the Palestinians, but because they care about their own rear ends. They are meeting with Iran right now so they can all send one unified message to Trump to 'Shut the F* up about this'. I think he will get that message soon. Then he will realize that he can't do his plan, then he'll forget about it, like he forgot about so many other of his 'Projects' in the past (there are 10s of these, at least, maybe hundreds). 

I have to be honest with you, now seems diffirent, if Egypt and Jordan don't accept, expect regime change. This is how usually America did things, this won't be new behaviour. 

Dont forget america and israel has been trying to drag iran into a war, their corporations are salivating at making money for the next war. I really urge caution against thinking that America or Israel will behave rationally. 

[Panzerwaffe]

4 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

See here you're actually engaging with the subject. 

The Arabs who voted for Trump are getting a reality slap, everyone here told them voting for Trump wasn't going to fix anything and Trump was going to be like Biden and not make peace and here is Trump pushing for ethnic cleansing. 

Which not only will not make peace, but cause war, because no one in the middle east or Europe wants more refugees, that plus Israel is ethnically cleansing 2 million people. 

Arabs need to realize supporting Israel is a foreign policy priority for ALL western leaders. Like it or not , I don’t but I’m not delusional. Israel is like a western crusader state , although ofcourse original crusaders were very anti Jewish

Arab diaspora can maybe relocate to Arab countries and try to make a change there and install genuine democratic govt there who will actually oppose Israel militarily  , instead Arabs in droves migrate to the west and complain why west supports Israel.

[Panzerwaffe]

4 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

There is a diffirence between helping people and having your country devastated by millions of refugees flooding them. Lebanon has a population of 5.3 million, the 1.5-2 million syrian refugees are 1/3rd of the country. Imagine if America had 150 million refugees come in the span of a few years, not so great now? Didn't think so. 

When did I claim western countries should be devastated by a refugee crisis? And why are you fine with Arab countries being devastated by a refugee crisis? Me being "brothers and sisters" with them, doesn't justify them destroying our economy beyond rrepair.

What does this have to do with anything that I said? 

I swear you're just here to troll or rage bait with these stupid answers. 

??????  

No one here claimed Egypt is great, everyone here hates Egypt and is fully aware Egypt is one of the most corrupt nations on this earth.

 

What does any of this have anything to do with Egypt having a legitemate concern to not accept 2 million refugees into its country and devastate its economy?

What does anything of this have anything to do with Egypt saying themselves that they will break the David accords and declare war on Israel if they go through with the ethnic cleansing of Gaza? 

You are neighbors,if  you don’t have the strength or guts to stop Israel so better deal with the consequences 

Why isn’t there a pan Arab force trying to fight back ?

the highly educated diaspora will be a great military asset 

 

 

West should not have to accept one person , but be grateful for those who are allowed in. 
 

but your ingratitude knows no bounds 

Edited February 11 by Panzerwaffe

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 2/9/2025 at 5:53 PM, Otto Kretschmer said:

But I don't have the faintest idea of how this could be achieved. In Turkey the only viable opposition are the Kemalists.

Hi Kemalists are only other side of coin of current hypocrite Turkey regime which only difference is that Kemalists are more inclined toward USA & more anti Shia than current regime which is not a real viable opposition which maybe there is another oppositions in Turkey but they have not enough fans & funds to oppose current regime & Kemalists .

[mahmood8726]

5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

You are neighbors,if  you don’t have the strength or guts to stop Israel so better deal with the consequences 

Instead of admitting your argument was stupid, you doubled down with this stupid nonsense about dealing with consequences.  I defenetly won't see you advocating for a European to have "to deal with the consequences". 

 

Unlike you or most conservatives in the west or most lebanese people, I'm not angry towards immigrants, I understand that these Syrians flooding our country are fleeing a war, I'm angry at the western elites mostly causing this mess and the Arab leaders who failed their nations. Ironically for a guy who prides in realpolitik, you fail to see the most basic human behaviour, humans in terrible areas, will immigrate to better off areas, this is basic human behaviour 101, complaining about this is beyond stupid.

 

And beleive it or not, most of the arabs are still in their own countries, except for Palestinians who got ethnically cleansed. So even your ridicilous argument is not even true. 

5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Why isn’t there a pan Arab force trying to fight back ?

Because it got destroyed beyond repair by their incompetence decades ago and by the fact that the west fully supported Israel millitarly. Litterally every one of these pan arabist countries either got regime changed or invaded. 

5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

the highly educated diaspora will be a great military asset 

 

Sure, and they will return and print money out of thin air and will stop their country from being a mess and everyone will dance around a fire singing songs and then the corrupt elites in their countries will also dissapear. Seriously, please leave your idealism home. 

5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

West should not have to accept one person , but be grateful for those who are allowed in. 
 

but your ingratitude knows no bounds 

That's honestly the most stupid mentality I've seen in my life. The western elites are the ones who heavily contributed to this nonsense in the first place, if it wasn't for their constant meddling and constant imperial ambitions, Syria would not be under al quaeda rule, Israel would not exist, Iraq would not be an unstable mess and the list goes on and on. Your mentality is litterally backwards, it's incredible, you would have probably told musa(عليه السلام) to be grateful phiraun(la) raised him because he wasn't egyptian.

If you're such a fan with "dealing with the consequences", then westerners should deal with the consequences of the actions of their elites that they are electing, since they constantly advocate that they are democracies and free nations, they should take accountability when their elites slaugther hundreds of thousands or millions, for their inability to pressure their own elites to stop this nonsense. 

But unlike you,I won't blame the masses. I don't blame westerners, most of them are brainwashed or busy in jobs to think about this stuff, I'm just giving you an idea of how stupid this "deal with the consequences" argument really is. 

 

 

At the end of the day, none of what you said above had anything to do with this subject. Are you in favour of Egypt taking in 2 million people from Gaza? Is that why you took this discussion towards arab immigrants being ungrateful? Are you trying to say that Palestinians in Gaza SHOULD be ethnically cleansed because of your stupid argument about consequences? 

Most of us here understand that the consequences of failing against Israel will lead to more genocide and ethnic cleansing just like the consequences of immam hussein(عليه السلام) not having a strong enough army, led to the horrible events of karbala. That doesn't make it right for Palestinians to be ethnically cleansed, just like it's wrong what yazid(la) did. Are you trying to argue that because the minority of Arabs in the west aren't returning to their countries and doing some magic to fix their countries, that Palestinians deserve to be ethnically cleansed because "consequences" and because we're neighbors? 

Because if that's what you're doing, I can't be bothered. 

Edited February 11 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

 

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15520

BREAKING: The King of Jordan has tacitly approved Trump's plan to displace Palestinians from the Gaza Strip – 'we will examine how to implement this'

However, he also stated that Egypt is not cooperative so far, and that the final discussion depends on the stance of Egypt.

 

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15522

NEW: The King of Jordan says he admires Trump, and that 'he is the one who can bring lasting peace'

 

 

Wooooooow, I knew Jordan's king was a disgusting pig, but holy, I didn't know he would be such a d***uth. What a disgusting peice of filth. Hopefully Egypt realises that they will be destroyed if they cooperate or not with america, might as well have a deal with Iran to resist that American destruction and fall with dignity after being a disgusting nation that supported israels genocide. the pig sisi needs to not make the same mistake as Jordan. 

 

Hopefully the people of Jordan start a popular uprising against tomato King so that they live in a free Jordan that isn't a puppet of America and israel and that the Palestinians don't get ethnically cleansed in a worse fashion than 1948, because if that happens, the entire middle east is doomed and will become greater Israel and we can kiss goodbye to our nations. Hopefully if a revolution happens in Jordan, it will send a message to Egypt to not comply with this lunacy. 

Edited February 11 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

 

 

 

Egypt is still refusing and telling trump to get lost. 

 

Now trump talks about al arabiyah because Jordan just accepted the deal like cowards. Now the title needs to include the west bank. 

[mahmood8726]

 

 

 

[Panzerwaffe]

14 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

Instead of admitting your argument was stupid, you doubled down with this stupid nonsense about dealing with consequences.  I defenetly won't see you advocating for a European to have "to deal with the consequences". 

 

Unlike you or most conservatives in the west or most lebanese people, I'm not angry towards immigrants, I understand that these Syrians flooding our country are fleeing a war, I'm angry at the western elites mostly causing this mess and the Arab leaders who failed their nations. Ironically for a guy who prides in realpolitik, you fail to see the most basic human behaviour, humans in terrible areas, will immigrate to better off areas, this is basic human behaviour 101, complaining about this is beyond stupid.

 

And beleive it or not, most of the arabs are still in their own countries, except for Palestinians who got ethnically cleansed. So even your ridicilous argument is not even true. 

Because it got destroyed beyond repair by their incompetence decades ago and by the fact that the west fully supported Israel millitarly. Litterally every one of these pan arabist countries either got regime changed or invaded. 

Sure, and they will return and print money out of thin air and will stop their country from being a mess and everyone will dance around a fire singing songs and then the corrupt elites in their countries will also dissapear. Seriously, please leave your idealism home. 

That's honestly the most stupid mentality I've seen in my life. The western elites are the ones who heavily contributed to this nonsense in the first place, if it wasn't for their constant meddling and constant imperial ambitions, Syria would not be under al quaeda rule, Israel would not exist, Iraq would not be an unstable mess and the list goes on and on. Your mentality is litterally backwards, it's incredible, you would have probably told musa(عليه السلام) to be grateful phiraun(la) raised him because he wasn't egyptian.

If you're such a fan with "dealing with the consequences", then westerners should deal with the consequences of the actions of their elites that they are electing, since they constantly advocate that they are democracies and free nations, they should take accountability when their elites slaugther hundreds of thousands or millions, for their inability to pressure their own elites to stop this nonsense. 

But unlike you,I won't blame the masses. I don't blame westerners, most of them are brainwashed or busy in jobs to think about this stuff, I'm just giving you an idea of how stupid this "deal with the consequences" argument really is. 

 

 

At the end of the day, none of what you said above had anything to do with this subject. Are you in favour of Egypt taking in 2 million people from Gaza? Is that why you took this discussion towards arab immigrants being ungrateful? Are you trying to say that Palestinians in Gaza SHOULD be ethnically cleansed because of your stupid argument about consequences? 

Most of us here understand that the consequences of failing against Israel will lead to more genocide and ethnic cleansing just like the consequences of immam hussein(عليه السلام) not having a strong enough army, led to the horrible events of karbala. That doesn't make it right for Palestinians to be ethnically cleansed, just like it's wrong what yazid(la) did. Are you trying to argue that because the minority of Arabs in the west aren't returning to their countries and doing some magic to fix their countries, that Palestinians deserve to be ethnically cleansed because "consequences" and because we're neighbors? 

Because if that's what you're doing, I can't be bothered. 

Save the hyperbole 

you ( not you personally but people of Middle East ) are weak divided complacent and incompetent that’s why your enemies dominate you 

your best people leave for the west and never return 

don’t blame others for your problems 

[Eddie Mecca]

On 2/8/2025 at 2:32 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Based on historical facts Safavids have fought with portugues  conquistadors  who conquered Qeshm Island so then have taken it back from them

This is interesting...can you post some information regarding this historical incident? I want to read more on this

[Panzerwaffe]

3 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

This is interesting...can you post some information regarding this historical incident? I want to read more on this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese–Safavid_wars

[hamz786]

A bit of a sticky situation for Egypts leaders isn't it. They're refusing the plan to house Palestinian refugees but were content with letting those same people get bombed and not do anything about it. 

[Panzerwaffe]

5 hours ago, hamz786 said:

A bit of a sticky situation for Egypts leaders isn't it. They're refusing the plan to house Palestinian refugees but were content with letting those same people get bombed and not do anything about it. 

Just shows how much they care about fellow Muslims and Arabs 

all aid  should be terminated to Egyptian military asap 

 

[mahmood8726]

 

 

Let's see how trump manages to mental gymnastic this one.

 

[mahmood8726]

very important video on this subject. 

 

 

[mahmood8726]

8 hours ago, hamz786 said:

A bit of a sticky situation for Egypts leaders isn't it. They're refusing the plan to house Palestinian refugees but were content with letting those same people get bombed and not do anything about it. 

Egypt was complicit in this genocide.

 

But as the dictator sisi of Egypt himself said in an interview, if he allows Palestinians in, Egyptians will revolt against him.

He's right, egyptians will most likley overthrow him the moment they see him agree to an ethnic cleansing of Gaza, that plus 2 million palestinian refugees flooding their country in a short period of time will mess up the already fragile egyptian economy, which will incentivise Egyptians to revolt. This is basic cause and effect and Sisi is not stupid, he as a ruthless dictator, can see that he will suffer a similar fate to gaddafi, I don't think sisi is keen on being poked by sticks from both of his ends and then being beaten to a bloody pulp.

 

Edited February 12 by mahmood8726

[Panzerwaffe]

let’s hope Egyptian military is overthrown, their people deserve genuine representative government 

[mahmood8726]

20 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

let’s hope Egyptian military is overthrown, their people deserve genuine representative government 

I wish sisi was overthrown, however now that won't happen, because the Egyptian people are seeing him resist this and are now rallying behind him.

 

Which brings me to this new news that came out now

 

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15544

NEW: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Arab Republic of Egypt has ordered all brigades stationed in Sinai and Rafah into maximum combat readiness

[Northwest]

@mahmood8726 At the same time, part of me doubts that Egypt really wants to aid Gaza. I suspect that Egypt is merely strengthening its forces to prevent an influx of refugees, not to war vs. Israel. On previous occasions Egypt did the same while covertly approving Israeli military operations in Gaza and/or Sinai. Given context, I think that Sisi has already signaled support for an Israeli military incursion vs. Hamas should the hostages fail to be secured. Like the other Sunni regimes, Egypt’s government has to feign support for Gaza while maintaining ironclad links with the U.S. and Israel. Currently Israel is in a stronger position than prior to the start of the Gaza war, owing to the weakening of Hezbollah and the overthrow of Assad, so there is less fear of a second front this time. None of the Sunni states will intercede for Gaza.

[Panzerwaffe]

3 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

I wish sisi was overthrown, however now that won't happen, because the Egyptian people are seeing him resist this and are now rallying behind him.

 

Which brings me to this new news that came out now

 

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15544

NEW: The General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Arab Republic of Egypt has ordered all brigades stationed in Sinai and Rafah into maximum combat readiness

Who are they getting ready to fight ? Let’s hope it’s IDF and not a flood of refugees