Syria - Why we should be hopeful.

[Abu Hadi]

Bismillah Ar Rahman Ar Rahim

 

The main reason we should be hopeful is that the Zionists are extremely predictable. Their only concern is to steal land to create their 'Greater Israel'. In order to do that, they must oppress the people in a severe way in order to either kill them, expel them, or make them live as slaves to them in their own land. 

They did this in Palestine, and in Lebanon already. Many are too young to remember, but in 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. They bombed civilians and military infrastructure, like what they are doing now in Syria. That is the first stage. The second stage was that they started rounding up any men, or even some women, who they thought might oppose them and either kill them or put them in prison. This will start happening in Syria soon, if it has not already happened. They will either do it directly, or use their proxies, HRT and those groups. In Lebanon, they used the now destroyed SLA (South Lebanon Army) to do this. Once they do this, they will used tactics to 'break' the people like public humiliation, defunding or destroying of schools, masjids (except the ones they control), hospitals, cultural heritage sites, etc. Then they will erect walls, barriers, and checkpoints to make moving around almost impossible, like what they have done in Palestine. This is the third stage. Once they feel the people are broken and humiliated, then they will bring in their settlers and start building Zionist only settlements, the fourth stage. The fifth stage is where settlements are seen as 'normal' and part of the country and then they will annex the land, and this is what will probably happen to the West Bank under Trump. 

When it reached the third stage in Lebanon, Hezbollah was born. So it didn't go to the fourth or fifth stage. 

We know exactly what they are going to do in Syria. What we also know is that every time they did this, it lead to a resistance movement being formed. I believe that there will be an organic, Syrian (not Lebanese or Iranian) resistance movement that will begin soon. This movement will be 'supercharged' because they don't have to start from scratch (zero) like what happened in Palestine and Lebanon. They will already have support from other local resistance movements who can teach them advanced weapons and tactics. This will happen because if you are a young man now in Syria and you are not firmly aligned with ISIS, Qaeda, and HRT, you will be getting a visit soon. At that point, you're only choice will be to resist or die or spend the rest of your life in prison. These will be the only options. It has happened twice already, take a lesson from that. 

I believe that this movement will lead to the eventual real freedom for Syria and it's people as opposed to the fake freedom that is now being pushed. This is a step in the process of preparing for the arrival of Imam Zaman (a.f.s), InShahAllah. The coming days will be difficult, but I believe the end will be good. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[Sabrejet]

Brother, we can't account for one thing.

As long as the shia are the bigger enemy for sunnis than Zionists, then it is a lost cause. We have seen the evidence for this time and time again. There simply wont ever be enough support for a movement that has shias at the helm.

I believe that we should leave them to themselves and focus on our own, but most of our people are not ready to accept that.

[Abu Hadi]

26 minutes ago, Sabrejet said:

Brother, we can't account for one thing.

As long as the shia are the bigger enemy for sunnis than Zionists, then it is a lost cause. We have seen the evidence for this time and time again. There simply wont ever be enough support for a movement that has shias at the helm.

I believe that we should leave them to themselves and focus on our own, but most of our people are not ready to accept that.

I can give you examples where this is not the case. Look at Hamas. They are a Sunni organization but they work with other Shia resistance movements including Hezb. Why would that not also happen in Syria, especially since there is already a model for it ? We shouldn't be pessimistic

I also don't think we should start being over sectarian. If they are Muslim and they want to fight for their Liberations from the Zionists, we should support them as long as they don't start committing thulm on a large scale, like Qaeda, then call themselves as 'Islamic' Movement. 

Also, if you are a young man in Syria right now, you have four choices only. 1. Flee the Country, 2. Join HTS, 3. Die / Life in Prison, 4. Join the resistance 

If I was a Sunni and I didn't want to flee the country, I know what I would do. 

There are no viable, mainstream, moderate, Sunni movements in Syria right now. It is ISIS / HTS only. If there are any others, they will soon be wiped out. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[Irfani313]

I disagree brother.
 

Afghanistan has gone through worst, yet there was no Sunni movement for freedom, all they got was bunch of Sunni duped into Wahabiya packs of wolves ripping the country and the people apart, and still are. 
 

Syria being majority Sunni, I firmly believe it would go the way our Hadith text has foretold.

 

[Abu Hadi]

They were never occupied by the Zionists. I'm not sure if you understand, or maybe you do, how brutal they are. I have seen it with my own eyes. It's not something you can forget. I'm not saying Afghanistan didn't go thru things, but the Zionists are on a whole different level in terms of not just brutality but destroying people psychologically. 

The American Army, who are brutal, are like sweet little old ladies compared to the Zionists. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[Irfani313]

2 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

I can give you examples where this is not the case. Look at Hamas. They are a Sunni organization but they work with other Shia resistance movements including Hezb. Why would that not also happen in Syria, especially since there is already a model for it ? We shouldn't be pessimistic

Brother Hamas isn’t Sunni. They are a Salafi / Wahabi organization rightfully fighting for the freedom from Zionists because, lucky us, there are no Shia there to butcher. Hamas showed its true anti Shia colors once it had a few months of power in parts of Syria 1.0. 
 

Muslim Brotherhood did the same in their 9 months of rule in Egypt in their so called arab spring. 
 

Historically AbuSufyan (read Wahabiya)+Umar (read Sunni)+Levantine Jews (read Zios) alliance predates the time of our dear Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) and it really needs to be discussed more in our Masajid. The trade routes found connecting Hijaz and Levantine that our great grandfather Hashim (عليه السلام) established also allowed the filth of olden Hijaz to be permanently glued to the filth of Levantine, and since the time of the battle of Badr, the financiers have been the same, and the foot soldiers have been the same.
 

Syria would be the same fate as Afghanistan. 

[Abu Hadi]

19 minutes ago, Irfani313 said:

Brother Hamas isn’t Sunni. They are a Salafi / Wahabi organization rightfully fighting for the freedom from Zionists because, lucky us, there are no Shia there to butcher. Hamas showed its true anti Shia colors once it had a few months of power in parts of Syria 1.0. 
 

Muslim Brotherhood did the same in their 9 months of rule in Egypt in their so called arab spring. 
 

Historically AbuSufyan (read Wahabiya)+Umar (read Sunni)+Levantine Jews (read Zios) alliance predates the time of our dear Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) and it really needs to be discussed more in our Masajid. The trade routes found connecting Hijaz and Levantine that our great grandfather Hashim (عليه السلام) established also allowed the filth of olden Hijaz to be permanently glued to the filth of Levantine, and since the time of the battle of Badr, the financiers have been the same, and the foot soldiers have been the same.
 

Syria would be the same fate as Afghanistan. 

I partially agree with you and I think as a Shia, it would be a bad idea to join Hamas. They definitely have a Salafi / Wahabi / Anti - Shia element to them. At the same time, the organization is not a monolith and there are various ideologies, lines of thought within it. Salafist is dominant, but I think this is changing recently after they began closely working with Hezb after Oct. 7 and they saw how the Shia were the only ones who really supported them while their traditional supporters in Saudi / Gulf turned their back on them. You can't discount the effect of that. 

That's why I said that whatever resistance movement begins in Syria, it won't look like Hezb or IRGC. It will almost certainly be Sunni led, and maybe even have Salafi factions in it and might lean that way. If they start fighting the Zionists and are not constantly spouting anti shia propaganda and don't go after the Shia minority in Syria, that is good enough for me. I will take it and we should support them at that point, at least in spirit and in our dua. As the saying goes 'In the bad times, be patient and in the good time be careful'. 

Also, we have to constantly keep in mind the end goal. These are a series of steps Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is creating in order to pave the road for Imam Al Asr(a.f.s). There might be 1 step after this or 20 or 100 but they are just steps on the road. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[Irfani313]

3 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

I partially agree with you and I think as a Shia, it would be a bad idea to join Hamas. They definitely have a Salafi / Wahabi / Anti - Shia element to them. At the same time, the organization is not a monolith and there are various ideologies, lines of thought within it. Salafist is dominant, but I think this is changing recently after they began closely working with Hezb after Oct. 7 and they saw how the Shia were the only ones who really supported them while their traditional supporters in Saudi / Gulf turned their back on them. You can't discount the effect of that. 

That's why I said that whatever resistance movement begins in Syria, it won't look like Hezb or IRGC. It will almost certainly be Sunni led, and maybe even have Salafi factions in it and might lean that way. If they start fighting the Zionists and are not constantly spouting anti shia propaganda and don't go after the Shia minority in Syria, that is good enough for me. I will take it and we should support them at that point, at least in spirit and in our dua

I agree and disagree -

Let’s all of us not pretend that sunni as the North African sunni exist in Levant (Palestine, Syria, Lebanon etc.), they just don’t.
Levant Sunnis are overwhelmingly Wahabiya/Kharji leaning, as I mentioned above, thanks to the 2000yrs old alliance between the Hijazi mushrekeen and Levant jews. 
 

As far as supporting the weak and oppressed, that has been the fundamental policy of Shia Islam, as it was given to Islam by our dear Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)). So yes, oppressed Palestinian movements would always be supported by AOR irrespective of what they do to Shia in Beirut, Kabul, Parachinar, or Baghdad. 

Shia are coming from a tradition where their leaders feed even the parched horses of the enemy (Hurr stopping Imam Hussain en route to Kufa), so that’s given. 

[Sabrejet]

50 minutes ago, Irfani313 said:

They are a Sunni organization but they work with other Shia resistance movements including Hezb.

Are we forgetting their role in the Syrian civil war in 2011? Let's face it; sunnis do not want to work with us. And it's not just a Wahhabi/Salafi problem; the Maturidi sunni majority in my country is happy about the development in Syria too.

We can play the "not all Sunnis" mantra all we want, but we simply can't undo centuries of brainwashing in a few decades.

[Fahad32]

I am very very cynical at this point about any sort of substantive partnership with the Sunni world. As brother Irfani313 said, our tradition is based upon standing up against injustce, so our focus on Palestine should never go away. But expecting any serious parntership based upon reciprocity would be foolish given the patterns in recent history.

Craig Murray, who is an anti-war activist in the UK, recently spoke about his disapppointment to see that the Sunni majority hates the Shia more than they hate Zionists. See article here - https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/12/the-end-of-pluralism-in-the-middle-east/

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Simply put, many Sunni Muslims have been brainwashed into hating Shia Muslims more than they hate those currently committing genocide of an overwhelmingly Sunni population in Gaza.

This is what we are dealing with unfortunately.

The positive to me is that good faith actors throughout the world that aren't Muslim are seeing truly who is actually standing up for Palestine, and who is backstabbing and aliging with Israel. It's actually been humourous to see some political commentators go at the Sunnis and Wahhabis for their utter stupidity and derangement. The last year has brought truth to the surface about the consistency of the Shia doctrine, and the utter failure of the Sunni world.

[Abu Hadi]

You are talking about many of the militia leaders and the talking heads on stations like Al Arabiyya, which is funded by KSA. 

Follow the money. Follow the money. Follow the money. 

These Sunnis who are spewing hate against Shia and ignoring the crimes of the Zionists, who are their financial backers. That will tell you everything

I live in SE Michigan and I am friends with many Sunnis who have relatives in Palestine and Syria. It is a huge community here. Things have changed since Oct. 7 and the current genocide, not with the paid agents, but with the regular Sunnis. I don't know how much it's changed but it has. Also, they are affected by the general trends in society, which are anti genocide. Again, not the paid agents but the regular people, Sunnis. 

[IraqiFeyli313]

3 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Bismillah Ar Rahman Ar Rahim

 

The main reason we should be hopeful is that the Zionists are extremely predictable. Their only concern is to steal land to create their 'Greater Israel'. In order to do that, they must oppress the people in a severe way in order to either kill them, expel them, or make them live as slaves to them in their own land. 

They did this in Palestine, and in Lebanon already. Many are too young to remember, but in 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. They bombed civilians and military infrastructure, like what they are doing now in Syria. That is the first stage. The second stage was that they started rounding up any men, or even some women, who they thought might oppose them and either kill them or put them in prison. This will start happening in Syria soon, if it has not already happened. They will either do it directly, or use their proxies, HRT and those groups. In Lebanon, they used the now destroyed SLA (South Lebanon Army) to do this. Once they do this, they will used tactics to 'break' the people like public humiliation, defunding or destroying of schools, masjids (except the ones they control), hospitals, cultural heritage sites, etc. Then they will erect walls, barriers, and checkpoints to make moving around almost impossible, like what they have done in Palestine. This is the third stage. Once they feel the people are broken and humiliated, then they will bring in their settlers and start building Zionist only settlements, the fourth stage. The fifth stage is where settlements are seen as 'normal' and part of the country and then they will annex the land, and this is what will probably happen to the West Bank under Trump. 

When it reached the third stage in Lebanon, Hezbollah was born. So it didn't go to the fourth or fifth stage. 

We know exactly what they are going to do in Syria. What we also know is that every time they did this, it lead to a resistance movement being formed. I believe that there will be an organic, Syrian (not Lebanese or Iranian) resistance movement that will begin soon. This movement will be 'supercharged' because they don't have to start from scratch (zero) like what happened in Palestine and Lebanon. They will already have support from other local resistance movements who can teach them advanced weapons and tactics. This will happen because if you are a young man now in Syria and you are not firmly aligned with ISIS, Qaeda, and HRT, you will be getting a visit soon. At that point, you're only choice will be to resist or die or spend the rest of your life in prison. These will be the only options. It has happened twice already, take a lesson from that. 

I believe that this movement will lead to the eventual real freedom for Syria and it's people as opposed to the fake freedom that is now being pushed. This is a step in the process of preparing for the arrival of Imam Zaman (a.f.s), InShahAllah. The coming days will be difficult, but I believe the end will be good. 

With regards to a resistance movement forming in Syria that very well could be coming into fruition, who will be mainly comprised of former officers and soldiers from the SAA 25th Special Mission Forces Division (Tiger Forces). As shown in this video. https://t.me/FotrosResistance/11370

[Diaz]

Ws Salam brother. Brother if you met Syrian in Syria or other Arab countries like I’m Saudi Arabia or UAE, you wouldn’t say what you said above. Majority of Syrians are descendants of Muawiya (la) and Yazid (la). Their najis blood is inside these people. Did you see how majority of Syrians who were pro assad suddenly became opposition? There not be any resistance in Syria, they either will run or join ISIS. 

Look at my Syrian cousins, they were born and raised as Shias, suddenly they became Sunnis for no valid reason, they just want to be Sunnis because they said they are Sunnis, as if religion is an identity like nationality. The youngest one is becoming like them btw, I’m worried about him. 

Syria is doomed, we should accept that and pray for the minorities who are getting slaughtered. I swear if I had money and power, I would have helped these people out. 

[Abu Hadi]

Salam brother, 

Your cousins are not all Syrians. Syria is a huge country with millions of people. Some are bad, some are good, most are in between. 

I'm glad you brought up Muawiya(la) and Yazid(la). Before the time of those two cursed ones, Syrians were Arabs, like all the other Arabs in the region (in Hijaz, Iraq, Yemen, etc). Because Muawiya(la) was made governor of Syria by Abu Bakr and both Umar and Uthman allowed him to continue, he had decades to build an 'evil empire' based on propaganda and bribes and threats which culminated in the installing of his son Yazid(la) in the position of Caliph, which then led to Karbala other tragic events. 

Yes, this history definitely has an effect on the Syrian people but it is not a determining factor. Recent history is more relevant. Those people at that time were victims of Umayyad propaganda, but they had no source of information other than that. That is how Muawiya(la) was able to control them, and also thru bribes and threats. The bribes and threats are still around, but there is no such thing nowadays as only one source of information. People can turn to whatever source they like. Also, the bribes part is not as effective. At the time of Muawiya(la), he was in total control of the Bait Al Mal (National Treasury). There is no Bait Al Mal for Syria now because there is no actual government, no banking system, etc. All that has been destroyed. The only money coming in (to the government) is by Zionists and US and they are notoriously stingy and fickle, in other words there might be money today but not tomorrow if they change their mind, administrations change, political situation in the region changes, etc. So it's not a stable situation for bribes either. 

Without the position that Muawiya(la) had, I don't think there is a possibility of anything like his Caliphate happening in Syria again. The best thing that could happen is that a genuine resistance movement starts and liberates Syria from the Salafists and Zionists. The worst that could happen would be a failed state scenario like Somalia or Libya, but a Caliphate like Muawiya(la) is not possible in this modern age. The Salafist who dream about this are only dreaming, nothing else. 

A Caliphate like how it will be under Imam Zaman(a.f.s) is only possible with Divine help and intervention and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) definitely is not going to intervene (in a positive way) for the Thalimeen and Taghut. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[StrangerInThisWorld]

3 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

Are we forgetting their role in the Syrian civil war in 2011? Let's face it; sunnis do not want to work with us. And it's not just a Wahhabi/Salafi problem; the Maturidi sunni majority in my country is happy about the development in Syria too.

We can play the "not all Sunnis" mantra all we want, but we simply can't undo centuries of brainwashing in a few decades.

Why is it that you and others are acting as if it's wrong to be against a tyrant like Bashar? 

As Muslims we're supposed to be against all tyrants be it Bashar, Sisi, Abdullah II or the rest of the worthless leaders in our region. 

Iran made a mistake in supporting him and thereby tarnished its own image among the people of the region.

Just because extreme Wahhabiyya are evil, doesn't mean one should support the tyrants in our countries, who are one of the main reasons why our region is in such a mess today! 

Edited December 13, 2024 by StrangerInThisWorld

[Irfani313]

2 hours ago, Fahad32 said:

I am very very cynical at this point about any sort of substantive partnership with the Sunni world. As brother Irfani313 said, our tradition is based upon standing up against injustce, so our focus on Palestine should never go away. But expecting any serious parntership based upon reciprocity would be foolish given the patterns in recent history.

Craig Murray, who is an anti-war activist in the UK, recently spoke about his disapppointment to see that the Sunni majority hates the Shia more than they hate Zionists. See article here - https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/12/the-end-of-pluralism-in-the-middle-east/

This is what we are dealing with unfortunately.

The positive to me is that good faith actors throughout the world that aren't Muslim are seeing truly who is actually standing up for Palestine, and who is backstabbing and aliging with Israel. It's actually been humourous to see some political commentators go at the Sunnis and Wahhabis for their utter stupidity and derangement. The last year has brought truth to the surface about the consistency of the Shia doctrine, and the utter failure of the Sunni world.

May Allah protect them, I’ve seen a couple of popular non-Muslim resistance commentators on YT, teary eyed, choking on their words, all the while literally bashing the numb Sunnis. One is visiting a sunni eirab gathering close to where I used to live already telling how odd would it be for him to confront them on their stupidity.

It’s becoming shameful to read some of the comments from layman sunnis and their leaders on this whole issue. Comments like a mid level taliban leader wants to wage jihad on Iran because “they won’t let them go to the border of occupied Palestine” or a sunni influencer in Syria who said, “road to jerusalem goes through Iran”, or a pakistani sunni mulla who scared his followers of 90,000 Hashd ready to slaughter syrian sunnis in this most recent fall of syria to the nato Wahabiya.
 

And in all that, the voice of the oppressed, the daily murder and theft of Palestinians has drowned down. 

May Allah send His eternal curse on the dumb nation who loves the murderers of Fatima (عليه السلام) and Hasanain (عليه السلام).

[mahmood8726]

5 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

Brother, we can't account for one thing.

As long as the shia are the bigger enemy for sunnis than Zionists, then it is a lost cause. We have seen the evidence for this time and time again. There simply wont ever be enough support for a movement that has shias at the helm.

I believe that we should leave them to themselves and focus on our own, but most of our people are not ready to accept that.

Focusing on our own will not protect against Israeli invasions and Israeli opressions of shias like in the past. When shias focused on their own, Israelis still invaded Lebanon and occupied shias and repressed them, this is a fact a lot of you guys don't want to accept, you want to think that if we just focused on our own, everything will be fine and we will be safe, but this is not correct, as long as Israeli exists, we will be under existential threat, Israel is as dangerous to us as these takfiri killers and lunatics.

Now they're invading Syria and will most probably subjugate shias there under their tyrannies by shooting at shias observing ashura for example, they are all the same them and the takfiris and they both must be stopped, otherwise we will never have security. Focusing on our own will not prevent the takfiri threat or Israeli threat. 

Israel needs to go, it can't exist, it's an expansionist state that also wants to destroy Islam itself.

 

A bunch of sunnis brainwashed by salafis on the internet will not change the outcome of the war, just affect it minimally due to PR. Hamas will have no choice but to side with Iran when Israel is being kicked out of the region, if they don't then I reckon they will will fight Iran and get destroyed too if they decide to put their sectarianism above their own freedom.

Edited December 13, 2024 by mahmood8726

[AbdusSibtayn]

6 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

As long as the shia are the bigger enemy for sunnis than Zionists, then it is a lost cause. We have seen the evidence for this time and time again. There simply wont ever be enough support for a movement that has shias at the helm.

This, and a thousand times over. 

 

[AbdusSibtayn]

I don't see any such organic movement arising in Syria. The way things are manifesting, Syria is set to be a Libya 2.0, if not worse. 

[StrangerInThisWorld]

One thing I noticed is how some people are boasting with things like "Bani Umayya have returned" or "we are the progeny of Bani Umayya" and even putting this into Anashid.

This is quite a disturbing trend, because even classical Sunnis were not fans of Bani Umayya and ironically the tyrant rule of Bashar and all the other Tawaghit in the region is based on the very style of ruling of none other than Bani Umayya themselves. 

A lot of these people obviously have no clue of Islamic history and don't even know that most of Bani Umayya were power-hungry Shayatin, but the problem here is that there won't be a good future without realizing the mistakes of the past and trying to change them! 

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by StrangerInThisWorld

[mahmood8726]

27 minutes ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

One thing I noticed is how some people are boasting with things like "Bani Umayya have returned" or "we are the progeny of Bani Umayya" and even putting this into Anashid.

This is quite a disturbing trend, because even classical Sunnis were not fans of Bani Umayya and ironically the tyrant rule of Bashar and all the other Tawaghit in the region is based on the very style of ruling of none other than Bani Umayya themselves. 

A lot of these people obviously have no clue of Islamic history and don't even know that most of Bani Umayya were power-hungry Shayatin, but the problem here is that there won't be a good future without realizing the mistakes of the past and trying to change them! 

 

You won't get a better future with tyrants like al joulani who are 10x worse than bashar. 

[StrangerInThisWorld]

36 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

You won't get a better future with tyrants like al joulani who are 10x worse than bashar. 

He acts as if he has changed and is not a sectarian extremist anymore.

Let's for the sake of argument say that this is the case. But even then a better future will not follow, if the people have not changed their mindset. 

If everyone wants all rights for his own group / race / ethnicity / school of thought / religion / ideology only and wants everyone else to be second class, then this will simply lead to problems and also to corruption. 

If our people - be they Sunni or Shi'i or whatever - can't get that into their heads, they will keep on living in problems and our countries will remain corrupt and weak for as long as this mindset prevails among us. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by StrangerInThisWorld

[Abu Hadi]

3 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

I don't see any such organic movement arising in Syria. The way things are manifesting, Syria is set to be a Libya 2.0, if not worse. 

That's the same thing people said about Lebanon in the late 80s, early 90s. Now an apartment in Central Beirut costs millions of dollars. Things change in unexpected ways. It's better to be hopeful than pessimistic. 

[Azadeh307]

 

[AbdusSibtayn]

4 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

That's the same thing people said about Lebanon in the late 80s, early 90s. Now an apartment in Central Beirut costs millions of dollars. Things change in unexpected ways. It's better to be hopeful than pessimistic. 

Uhm... Post-Gaddafi Libya didn't exist for comparison back then. 

I understand what you say; I was just pointing at the reality that appears to be the case for now. 

[Abu_Zahra]

11 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

Focusing on our own will not protect against Israeli invasions and Israeli opressions of shias like in the past. When shias focused on their own, Israelis still invaded Lebanon and occupied shias and repressed them, this is a fact a lot of you guys don't want to accept, you want to think that if we just focused on our own, everything will be fine and we will be safe, but this is not correct, as long as Israeli exists, we will be under existential threat, Israel is as dangerous to us as these takfiri killers and lunatics.

You are correct and this has exactly been the line of the Islamic resistance in various lands and cities, be it South Lebanon, Iran, Iraq or Yemen. 

The counterargument has no credible representatives. It comes from circles that were invisible when Zainabiyya was being protected and when Daesh were being defeated. 

[Ibn Tayyar]

1 hour ago, Abu_Zahra said:

You are correct and this has exactly been the line of the Islamic resistance in various lands and cities, be it South Lebanon, Iran, Iraq or Yemen. 

The counterargument has no credible representatives. It comes from circles that were invisible when Zainabiyya was being protected and when Daesh were being defeated. 

Atleast when it comes to Iraq, there are "credible representatives" that are from those "circles" (including in the PMF) who fought Daesh to liberate Iraq.

There are those who have simple national aspirations within the borders of Iraq - and total subservience to the Iraqi State with no foreign loyalties or alliances driving their actions.

They continue to operate in their sole anti-Daesh mission aswell as protecting Public and Religious sites. That's it.

Edited December 14, 2024 by Ibn Tayyar

[Ashvazdanghe]

15 hours ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

Why is it that you and others are acting as if it's wrong to be against a tyrant like Bashar? 

As Muslims we're supposed to be against all tyrants be it Bashar, Sisi, Abdullah II or the rest of the worthless leaders in our region. 

Iran made a mistake in supporting him and thereby tarnished its own image among the people of the region.

Just because extreme Wahhabiyya are evil, doesn't mean one should support the tyrants in our countries, who are one of the main reasons why our region is in such a mess today! 

Salam what's you proof for tyranny of Bashar which although of having some corruptions likewise financial corruption & etc ; Mr.Bashar has been introduced as tyrant by MSM & anti AOR propaganda without having a valid reason or any document which comparing him with "Sisi, Abdullah II" is comparing apples with oranges which America has no problem with tyranny of it's allies although their tyranny has been proven by valid reasons while calling it's opponents as tyrants due that America calls itself as beacon of democracy  so therefore anyone who opposes the USA even Imam khamenei will be a tyrant by dual standards of America. 

Iran has done it's best for supporting only option against all of American-Zionist-KAS/UAE/Qatar Wahabi backed  opponents which in recent months Iran has had most positive image among people of the region which  fall of Asad just has caused that silenced cells of KSA-Zionist  8200unit-Pahlavi monarchies  backed trolls have came out of their silence to spread their accusations against leaders of AOR especially Imam Khamenei by calling them as tyrants in hope of  reviving previous year's rebellion in Iran .

again Iran & AOR have not supported any tyrant just for opposing evil Wahhabiyya which Iran & AOR never have supported tyrants likewise Sisi  although of their claims about opposing evil Wahhabiyya while every leader in AOR has been called as tyrant by America & MSM .

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by Ashvazdanghe

[StrangerInThisWorld]

19 hours ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

One thing I noticed is how some people are boasting with things like "Bani Umayya have returned" or "we are the progeny of Bani Umayya" and even putting this into Anashid.

This is quite a disturbing trend, because even classical Sunnis were not fans of Bani Umayya and ironically the tyrant rule of Bashar and all the other Tawaghit in the region is based on the very style of ruling of none other than Bani Umayya themselves. 

A lot of these people obviously have no clue of Islamic history and don't even know that most of Bani Umayya were power-hungry Shayatin, but the problem here is that there won't be a good future without realizing the mistakes of the past and trying to change them! 

 

In a trending Nashid it states:

"... Muslim 'Arabi ani, mu dhayl al-Irani. Bani Umayya asluhum dhahab, min isimhum Kisra irta'ab, fi madihhum t'jiz al-kutub. Tarikhi wja' rasak..." 

Which one could translate in the following manner:

"... I'm a Muslim Arab and not a puppet of the Iranians. Bani Umayya's origin is from gold, their name frightened Kisra (leader of the Sassanids), the books are unable to praise them enough. My history gives you headache..."

The Nashid is quite cringeworthy, because its text contains so many contradictions and so much ignorance that one doesn't know whether to laugh or to cry. At the same time it uses a Latmiyya background beat, while it's obviously intended against the "Rafida". At one point the Munshid even mentions Imam al-Hussayn (peace be upon him) as being among his masters! Imagine the amount of compound ignorance and sheer stupidity! 

 

So let's give those who put this Nashid on all their videos concerning Syria some lesson regarding history:

- Persia was defeated in the time of the Shaykhayn and not that of Banu Umayya

- You're free to disagree with Iran, but what you're doing by calling your opponent as "Majusi" (which is also in the Nashid) and highlighting you being an Arab is nothing but racism, which is a remnant of Jahiliyya

- Majority of Bani Umayya were tyrants and their rule was based upon nepotism and clientelism and upon using excessive force towards the slightest criticism

- Many of the Khulafa and Umara of Bani Umayya were actively involved in trying to humiliate the Ahl al-Bayt and the Sahaba and even killing them! Don't you claim to love them both? So here you are praising a people, who oppressed and slaughtered both! And then you claim to be Muslim! Woe to you! 

- Imam al-Hussayn (peace be upon him) was martyred by the soldiers of Bani Umayya, so can both be your masters?!

- As for the history of Bani Umayya, then go and read a book regarding early Islamic history and see for yourself how both Sunnis and Shi'is despised Bani Umayya and their tyrant rule! 

 

Allah ta'ala says:

28:83
تِلْكَ ٱلدَّارُ ٱلْـَٔاخِرَةُ نَجْعَلُهَا لِلَّذِينَ لَا يُرِيدُونَ عُلُوًّۭا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَلَا فَسَادًۭا ۚ وَٱلْعَـٰقِبَةُ لِلْمُتَّقِينَ ٨٣

That home of the Hereafter We assign to those who do not desire exaltedness upon the earth or corruption. And the [best] outcome is for the righteous.

___

There is no doubt that many of Bani Umayya were among those who desired exaltedness upon the earth and were involved in great corruption! So will you follow their footsteps?! 

 

As long as you do not change yourselves and your mindsets, you will not get anything better than Bashar! In fact it's possible that you may wish him back! 

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by StrangerInThisWorld

[AbdusSibtayn]

8 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

Atleast when it comes to Iraq, there are "credible representatives" that are from those "circles" (including in the PMF) who fought Daesh to liberate Iraq.

There are those who have simple national aspirations within the borders of Iraq - and total subservience to the Iraqi State with no foreign loyalties or alliances driving their actions.

They continue to operate in their sole anti-Daesh mission aswell as protecting Public and Religious sites. That's it.

Real. 

 

[StrangerInThisWorld]

8 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam what's you proof for tyranny of Bashar which although of having some corruptions likewise financial corruption & etc ; Mr.Bashar has been introduced as tyrant by MSM & anti AOR propaganda without having a valid reason or any document which comparing him with "Sisi, Abdullah II" is comparing apples with oranges which America has no problem with tyranny of it's allies although their tyranny has been proven by valid reasons while calling it's opponents as tyrants due that America calls itself as beacon of democracy  so therefore anyone who opposes the USA even Imam khamenei will be a tyrant by dual standards of America. 

Iran has done it's best for supporting only option against all of American-Zionist-KAS/UAE/Qatar Wahabi backed  opponents which in recent months Iran has had most positive image among people of the region which  fall of Asad just has caused that silenced cells of KSA-Zionist  8200unit-Pahlavi monarchies  backed trolls have came out of their silence to spread their accusations against leaders of AOR especially Imam Khamenei by calling them as tyrants in hope of  reviving previous year's rebellion in Iran .

again Iran & AOR have not supported any tyrant just for opposing evil Wahhabiyya which Iran & AOR never have supported tyrants likewise Sisi  although of their claims about opposing evil Wahhabiyya while every leader in AOR has been called as tyrant by America & MSM .

 

 

 

Wa 'alaykum al-Salam, 

to be honest brother, I don't care what the US claims. The US is the same country that enables the ethnic cleansing and genocide in Falastin. This is enough to know how evil they are.

As for Bashar being a tyrant: Not just him, but rather pretty much all Arab rulers are tyrants. Does this really need any proof? Pretty much all of them believe in using excessive force against anyone opposing them, even if it's just a peaceful opposition or an advice in order to reform a mistake. And pretty much all of them believe in nepotism and clientelism and rule their countries based upon it. That's why it's hypocritical to be opposed to Bashar, while not being opposed to the rest of the Tawaghit from among the Arab rulers.

The only reason Arab countries have armies is in order to control and suppress their own population. They will not fight a single enemy! 

It's also hypocritical to be opposed to the oppression that happens to oneself or one's own group, while not being opposed to the oppression that happens to others.

An example: When supporters of the Syrian revolution start making sectarian statements and sometimes even threats, then this is an indication for their hypocrisy, because they disallow oppression against themselves, but at the same time support oppression against others. 

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by StrangerInThisWorld

[mahmood8726]

25 HTS terrorists have been killed by syrian arab army insurgents, the ones who did not flee Syria like cowards and actually beleive in their cause of a free syria and not under the rule of al quaeda 2 I assume. I assume these are the 25th Division who didn't flee and made a public threat to al joulanis thugs 2 days ago that they crushed terrorism for 15 years in Syria and will continue to do so.

[Eddie Mecca]

11 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

what's you proof for tyranny of Bashar

If Bashar took a bribe then I pray that he never knows peace...I hope Putin beheads him...he and his father killed hundreds of thousands of Sunni Islamists since the early 70's...30,000 were killed in Hama alone (1982) when he (Hafez) pulverized it...he allowed the CIA to set up torture chambers and interrogation centers in Syria throughout the 90's and early 2000's...Muslim Brotherhood activists would go missing and their families would never see them again...this is commonly understood knowledge...the only positive quality or characteristic about Assad rule was their staunch anti-imperialist stance

Edited December 14, 2024 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

@Ashvazdanghe, Arab Marxist, communist, socialist, secularist and nationalist groups during the 1920's often made party members do things like openly curse Allah or physically trample the Qurʾān as proof of their loyalties..they despised religion and considered it silly and stupid and didn't want their adherents to have secondary allegiances to anything else

Edited December 14, 2024 by Eddie Mecca

[OrthodoxTruth]

On 12/14/2024 at 2:23 AM, Diaz said:

Look at my Syrian cousins, they were born and raised as Shias, suddenly they became Sunnis for no valid reason, they just want to be Sunnis because they said they are Sunnis, as if religion is an identity like nationality. The youngest one is becoming like them btw, I’m worried about him. 

It’s not just the Syrians, many Iranians do that as well. I have met so many Iranians in the West who were born into Shia families but became Sunnis per “because Sunnism is majority” argument. Also, families didn’t pass religion on them. Ignorance.