Kurds vs FSA/Turks - Battle of Qarqisiya in the making?

[RiseOrDie]

Al Salamualaikum 

With Syrian war back in full swing, and with Turkey-backed rebel groups overrunning most of Syria now leaving only the US/coalition backed YPG/SDF ruling in northeast Syria, this has turned a page in the decade long war. 

So lets look at Syria's current political map as of 11/12/2024:

First lets make something clear, Turkey backs both HTS (Hayat Tahrir Al Sham - Green) and SNA (Syrian National Army - Cyan). These groups have clashed in the past, however for now Turkey has managed to gain control over them and enforce it's agenda over them.

There are 3 main reasons why taking this area is very important for Turkey and its groups

1. Turkey doesn't want this Kurdish state, not even as an autonomous region. Turkey alongside Iran can tolerate it in Iraq (or even tolerate it in Syria if there wasn't one in Iraq), but they both understand that if this becomes a reality in Syria then the next target will be simultaneous Kurdish states in Turkey and Iran during the new Middle East pushed by Israel and GCC/Saudis.

2. Most of the areas under SDF/YPG are for Arab natives who are currently displaced, Raqqa, Deir Ezzor, the cities and country sides here are majority Arabs. Therefore these groups want their land back

3. Oil rich area, without controling the oil and gas fields in this area, you simply can not run and rebuild Syria. This is what the US deprived Assad from and it led to his collapse.

Meanwhile the Kurds want to hold this area for 2 main reasons, they want a country or an autonomous region. Secondaly, the Kurds want their safety guaranteed which so far nobody has fulfilled including the USA. They were ethnically cleansed from Afrin, and they are heavily demonized in Turkish media. On top of that, a lot of tribal forces in the region have bad blood with the Kurds due to past events, so everybody want revenge. We will watch closely what happens to other minorities in Syria who have laid their arms down, this may influence the Kurdish position, however for now they have chosen to resist.

Now lets look at the battle of Qarqisiya from Ahlulbayte (عليه السلام) ahadith:

وفي الرواية عن الإمام الباقر عليه السلام قال لميسر: (يا ميسر كم بينكم وبين قرقيسا؟ قلت: هي قريب على شاطئ الفرات فقال: أما إنه سيكون بها وقعة لم يكن مثلها منذ خلق الله تبارك وتعالى السماوات والأرض ولا يكون مثلها ما دامت السماوات والأرض مأدبة للطير. تشبع منها سباع الأرض وطيور السماء، يهلك فيها قيس ولا يدعى لها داعية) قال: وروي غير واحد وزاد فيه وينادي مناد هلموا إلى لحوم الجبارين. (1)

(1) الكافي:8/295

"And in the narration on the authority of Imam al-Baqir, peace be upon him, he said to Maysar: (O Maysar, how much is there between you and Qarqisa? I said: It is near the shore of the Euphrates. He said: But there will be an event the likes of which has not been seen since God, Blessed and Most High, created the heavens and the earth, and there will never be another like it as long as the heavens and the earth are a banquet. For the birds, the wild beasts of the earth and the birds of the sky will be satisfied with it, and Qays will perish therein and no caller will be called for it.) He said: It was narrated by more than one person, and he added to it, and a caller would call out, feast on the meat of The mighty." (1)

وفي رواية ثالثة عن الباقر (عليه السلام): إن لولد العباس والمرواني لوقعة بقرقيسا يشيب فيها الغلام الحزور، يرفع الله عنهم النصر، ويوحي إلى طير السماء وسباع الأرض إشبعي من لحوم الجبارين، ثم يخرج السفياني.) (2 ).

(2) كتاب الغيبة للنعماني: 303، باب 18، ح12.

And in a third narration on the authority of Al-Baqir (peace be upon him): The sons of Al-Abbas and Al-Marwani have an encounter with Qarqisa in which the hair of the young will turn grey. May God lift victory from them and inspire the birds of the sky and the wild beasts of the earth: “Be satisfied with the meat of the mighty,” then Al-Sufyani will emerge.) (2).

There is also a hadith from Sunni books regarding Qarqisiya which doesn't mention Marwani or Qays:

 ظهر السفياني بجيشه عليهم فيقتل الترك والروم بقرقيسيا حتى تشبع سباع الأرض من لحومهم»

المروزي، الفتن، ص 170 [3]

The Sufyani Appears with his army, and he will defeat the Turks and Rome in Qarqisiya until the beasts of earth are satisifed on their meat. [3]

In another Hadith, it also stays that the Turks will enter Al jazira and occupy it. 

عن الإمام محمـد الباقر ع (إلزم الأرض لا تحركن يدك ولا رجلك أبدا، حتى ترى علامات أذكرها لك في سنة وتر، مناديا ينادي بدمشق، وخسف بقرية من قراها، ويسقط طائفة من مسجدها، فإذا رأيت الترك جازوها فأقبلت الترك حتى نزلت الجزيرة، وأقبلت الروم حتى نزلت الرملة، وهي سنة اختلاف في كل أرض من أرض العرب (المغرب). وإن أهل الشام يختلفون عند ذلك على ثلاث رايات: الأصهب والأبقع والسفياني ..). معجم أحاديث الإمام المهدي ج5: ص 20 الحديث 1452 (37 مصدر).

On the authority of Imam Muhammad al-Baqir, peace be upon him, (Stay on the ground and never move your hand or your foot, until you see signs that I mention to you in the Sunnah of Witr, a herald calling for Damascus, and landslide of one of its villages, collpase of one side of the Mosque. If you see the Turks, they shall move until they enter Al Jazira, and the Romans will move until they land in Al Ramlah, and it is a year of disagreement in every Arab land (in the west, west of Iraq aka Syria), and the people of Al Sham will disagreed into three banners at that time: the As'hab And Al-Aqba’ and Al-Sufyani..). Dictionary of Hadiths of Imam Mahdi, Part 5: p. 20, Hadith 1452 (37 sources).

 

So the gist is; there will be roughly 3 or 4 banners fighting in this region in a major battle. Qays/Banu Abbas vs Marwanids, with presence of Turks and Rome. The Turks will conquer the Jazira region, then the Sufyani joins the battle against the Turks. You can see it will be a long battle with stages, while it isn't clear, likely Qays/Turks will eventually defeat the Marwanids, then they will face the Sufyani and lose to him.

 

Al-Jazira region map, as you can see Qarqisya (Circesium) on the Euphrates, the Al Jazriah portion in Syria is currently 80% under YPG. They have just lost Manbij.

We will come back to the map above, so please note the locations of 'Diyar Mudar' and 'Diyar Bakr' on the map.

Based on the hadiths above, there are several groups:

1. Qays

2. Marwani

3. Banu Al Abbas (could be elements within Turks/HTS)

4. Sufyani

5. Turks

6. Rome

 

1. So who is Qays? 

This could be Qays (Aylan) tribe, in Arabic known as قيس عيلان. Its a large Arab sunni tribe, in Syria they live in Ar Raqqah and Deir Ezzor and Aleppo. On the map above, they claim influence over the entire Diyar Mudar area. In fact Mudar is a name of their ancestor, so they call themselves 'Qays Aylan bin Mudar'. Those who speak arabic can confirm the below:

Today this group is aligned with Turkey. In fact they released a video threatening YPG/SDF a year ago. Qays are the SNA/FSA tribal elements which is backed by Turkey. 

2. Marwani

I believe the Marwani refers to the Marwanids, they were a Kurdish Sunni Muslim dynasty in the Diyar Bakr. If you scroll up to the first map, you can see Diyar Mudar and Diyar Bakr. These 2 groups have deep history and rivelary in the area. 

Marwanid Emirate Map:

Today I would say they are mostly in Turkey, however their elements are also in Hasakah, Kobane, Qamishli, (afrin previously) and they are the ones who created the YPG/SDF and rose to power after leading a major battle against DAESH. This group has no interest in Islam, their political ideals fit with Israeli vision for the region. I dont see them as evil, however the issue lies in what they want to achieve which puts them in direct clash with Islam.

3. Banu Al Abbas (mostly specualtion below)

I don't have much information about this group as Banu Al Abbas are mentioned a lot in hadiths in relation to the end times, and it appears that in many hadiths they are present in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey. What we know about them is that they will differ and fight over power in every region they are mentioned in (for example Iraq and Saudi and Syria and Iran), and they will not succeed in gaining power for a significant time. 

It could be refering to any Sunni or Shia regime/militia/political party that claims to be Muslim but their actions are far from it. It could be a group that politically speaks in the name of Islam to win support of the masses but their actions are not Islamic (As were the original abbassids). I would say maybe they are groups that collect money, build massive palaces and shrines, claim to be lovers of Ahlulbayte and Sahaba, use Islam to advance their agenda. To me they might not even be state actors currently, but influencial groups (political parties and personalities and militas) within a state and they have immense power but not in full control. To me it appears like the following regimes have these elements within them: Iraq, Egypt, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, other gulf states. Their words are very cheap, they make promises during elections for example but never fulfill. Hence why the hadith generalises the term Banu Abbas for this group.

But for the sake of Syria, we could say Banu Abbas are some of the HTS/FSA elements with all their militias and mercenaries. They may align with Qays tribe, and the Turks, but they have their own agendas, and when they try to seize an oppurtunity it leads to their demise under the weight of greater powers.

4. Sufyani

This one is pretty clear in my own opinion. You can consider the Sufyani as Israel backed by the US/NATO and secular Arab monarchies of Jordan, Morocco, Saudi, UAE, Bahrain & others that have normalized with Israel and are pushing to a new middle east. (maybe egypt if Sisi regime remains in power). And Yes, Saudi and UAE are in the process of secularising. Sufyani has never visited Mecca or Madina, and doesn't know God nor has he worshipped him. 

In a sense, we can even consider Assad (as was Saddam) a form of a hybrid Sufyani regimes short of supporting Israel. 

Think of this one as a coalition that will form to Arabize and 'free' the region once and for all, and to remove all elements of what they deem extreme Sunnism and Shiasim from the Arab world, to remove all Turkey and Iran backed groups from the Arab region. As the Ummayeds were, these groups pro-Arabism, and very extreme at it. These groups understand that their regimes are vulnerable to any Islamic movement be it Sunni or Shia, and even Salafi unless you are Madkhili salafi.

This group has 3 main enemies that threaten it:

a. The Muslim brotherhood (sunnis)

b. The Shia

c. Abbasid elements from within, ie other political parties or heirs or militias.

You can read about Trump's Arab NATO here as it includes all these regimes:

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-seeks-to-revive-arab-nato-to-confront-iran-idUSKBN1KH2IJ/

Blue, red, blonde?

5. Turks

This could be Turkey or Russia. But I lean more towards Turkey. Turkey the head of the Muslim brotherhood, backed by Qatar. Currently have an understanding with the US/Israel but I believe their interests will soon clash over Syria.

This group will support Qays (FSA tribes) and Banu Abbas (SNA/HTS) against the Marwanids (YPG), leading to defeat of the Marwanids and conquering the Jazira region, which will lead them to a final showdown with the Sufyani.

6. Rome

I believe this is the US and NATO/EU coalition which backs the Sufyani. They also back the SDF/YPG.

So we can say that this group backs the Marwanids (YPG) against the Turks/Qays (HTS/FSA) initially until their defeat, they will also support the Sufyani which will defeat Qays/Turks.

Although the hadith also mentioned that the Sufyani will defeat Rome too, alongside the turks but thats a sunni hadith.

 

There is a lot of speculation in this post, so take everything with a grain of salt. I just find it interesting due to the relevance of the events and mentioned hadiths. I think we still need to see some major events occur. In fact things could still change a lot and most of the current actors disappear, for example Assad, while I expected his regime to fall, how it fell was not expected.

But could we see Qarqisiya battle take place in the coming years? it might be shaping up to that.

[mahmood8726]

even kevork who isn't even a Muslim, but some armenian from aleppo can see thd writing on the walls, you might be onto something.

 

 

[RiseOrDie]

 

“On the occasion of the victory of the will of the Syrians and the overthrow of the oppressive regime, the Democratic Peoples' Council decided to raise the flag of independence on all institutions in North and East Syria, affirming the unity of Syria and its national identity”

Meanwhile in the South

Israel takes Um Batna and advances towards Jabah (while Israeli airstrikes hit Damascus upon arrival of Turks for a meeting with HTS/groups)

[RiseOrDie]

 

[Irfani313]

Likely the reason IRI didn’t pour its weight this time around. 
 

عن الإمام محمـد الباقر ع (إلزم الأرض لا تحركن يدك ولا رجلك أبدا، حتى ترى علامات أذكرها لك في سنة وتر، مناديا ينادي بدمشق، وخسف بقرية من قراها، ويسقط طائفة من مسجدها، فإذا رأيت الترك جازوها فأقبلت الترك حتى نزلت الجزيرة، وأقبلت الروم حتى نزلت الرملة، وهي سنة اختلاف في كل أرض من أرض العرب (المغرب). وإن أهل الشام يختلفون عند ذلك على ثلاث رايات: الأصهب والأبقع والسفياني ..). معجم أحاديث الإمام المهدي ج5: ص 20 الحديث 1452 (37 مصدر).

On the authority of Imam Muhammad al-Baqir, peace be upon him, (Stay on the ground and never move your hand or your foot, until you see signs that I mention to you in the Sunnah of Witr, a herald calling for Damascus, and landslide of one of its villages, collpase of one side of the Mosque. If you see the Turks, they shall move until they enter Al Jazira, and the Romans will move until they land in Al Ramlah, and it is a year of disagreement in every Arab land (in the west, west of Iraq aka Syria), and the people of Al Sham will disagreed into three banners at that time: the As'hab And Al-Aqba’ and Al-Sufyani..). Dictionary of Hadiths of Imam Mahdi, Part 5: p. 20, Hadith 1452 (37 sources).

Edited December 12, 2024 by Irfani313

[RiseOrDie]

I personally think Iran were routed. They had no time to deploy via land, while air (quicker) was policed by Israel in relation to Iranian cargo.

 

[RiseOrDie]

Major protests against YPG/SDF 

Hasakah

Raqqah

 

[RiseOrDie]

 

[Eddie Mecca]

@RiseOrDie, I wouldn't be surprised if Iranian scholars had studied these End Times prophecies in-depth and they're calculating their strategies around these narrations as a sort of guidebook...Iranian action or inaction might be misconstrued because of this

Edited December 12, 2024 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

Shi'i hadith books need better English translations

[RiseOrDie]

6 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

@RiseOrDie, I wouldn't be surprised if Iranian scholars had studied these End Times prophecies in-depth and they're calculating their strategies around these narrations as a sort of guidebook...Iranian action or inaction might be misconstrued because of this

Their strategy for the axis appears to be based on that, a buffer to slow down and bleed out any attack (land or air) from the West.

And now the air buffer appears to have been completely removed after fall of Assad. With exception of the Russian airbase in the Syrian coast which may or may not remain in the region, may or may not provide early warning to the Iranians.

The Iranian interior is wide open and that is God's will.

[RiseOrDie]

One thing that I find interesting is all the groups in Qarqisiya have sort of existed and clashed in this region at one point or another over the past 1000+ years in some form or shape. In sense you could apply the events back then including to the crusades or Timurid's conquests or WW1 and many other examples from history. 

1. Qays (Arab tribes in the area)

2. Marwani (Kurds)

3. Banu Al Abbas (could be fragmented elements seeking power)

4. Sufyani (Seclular/monarchy regime)

5. Turks (Turks or Russians or some central Asian group)

6. Rome (Europe and states formed out of european colonialism eg US)

Therefore it's hard to guage if it is in fact the prophecised Qarqisya until it concludes. And even then, many other signs are interlinked to it. For example a shake/earthquake/blast/event from the direction of Damascus that causes a landslide in Ghouta (precedes Qarqisya). The most certain sign is in fact the swallowing of Sufyani's Shami army between Mecca and Madina which occurs after Qarqisya, but this one is pretty obvious.

What we know for certain about it is that it will be a great battle like never seen before with more people perishing than any other battle in history. I'm thinking of Stalingrad (deadliest battle on record) where over 2 million people perished (including civilians), Qarqisya should overlapse it. Should there be a bigger battle between now and Qarqisya, then it should overlapse that too.

Currently based on the number of fighters, and the deployed forces in the region, this seems unlikely. Unless there is a huge deployment of regional and global armies for whatever reason, then Qarqisya is still far. However in terms of quick army deployment, I do think this is quite possible in this day and age, because the world's population has never been this large before. Countries have abilities to mobilise a huge numbers of men. We witnessed a massive spike in population growth over the past 100 years, especially in the Middle East. 

Iran's population in 1920 was 10m, its over 80m in 2020
Turkey's population: 15m in 1920, its over 80m in 2020
Egypt: 12m then, over 100m now

World population in the 1920s, under 2bil. And now we're at 8billion +

That's a lot of manpower access.

Also armies seem to mobilise and deploy much quicker depending on urgency, take Sayed Al Sistani's fatwa against DAESH in 2014 which mobilized over 500 thousand men in just a few days all across Iraq, of those it deployed over 30 thousand within a few weeks across the frontlines, some units saw combat within days. And within 6 months some 200+ thousand were deployed across the country both frontline and rear (including non-combat personnel eg logistics, medics, HQ, checkpoints).

I imagine larger and more powerful countries could mobilise more men, and deploy them even quicker when under stress.

But even with this in mind, the battle itself will occur in several stages based on my understanding. In the sense that prior to the battle, some large forces will be present. As the battle ensues, more groups will join, more forces will arrive, some forces will be knocked out only to return later with reinforcements, the fighting continues with no clear winner in sight.

What will they be fighting for? control? resources? ideology? something else maybe... mountain of gold?

[Irfani313]

3 hours ago, RiseOrDie said:

Their strategy for the axis appears to be based on that, a buffer to slow down and bleed out any attack (land or air) from the West.

And now the air buffer appears to have been completely removed after fall of Assad. With exception of the Russian airbase in the Syrian coast which may or may not remain in the region, may or may not provide early warning to the Iranians.

The Iranian interior is wide open and that is God's will.

I suspect air buffer over Syria was never in IRI's blind zone, since Syrian airspace was never dominated by Syrians or Russians. 

IRI doesn't has one friendly neighbor for last 50 years, not even Iraq where airspace is controlled by NATO, so more likely their air defenses are more than up to the task, and would likely be tested soon based on current news. 

[RiseOrDie]

It was a mere obstacle that caused Israel complications and added much more planning, calculations and risk reductions.

Think of someone doing a 100m sprint and trying to do it within 10 seconds. On the running track is a 6 foot brick wall which they need to climb and jump over. While the wall can be climbed and overcome by the sprinter, it still adds 3 extra seconds, it also adds risk of injury during the jump. Now that wall has been removed. The sprinter's target and goal are much easier to accomplish.

And I agree, I think Iran has calculated for this scenario.

[RiseOrDie]

 

[RiseOrDie]

 

[mahmood8726]

Breaking: 

 Heavy Turkish military movement across the Syrian-Turkish border.

 

Initial reports, Turkish columns are entering Syria.

"The current goal is to eliminate the organization PKK and YPG in Syria. Either this organization dissolves itself or we will destroy it," - Hakan Fidan, Turkish Foreign Minister.

 

Take this with a grain of salt, but the news is comming out that the kurds are in a state of panic and are fleeing. 

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

48 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

Breaking: 

 Heavy Turkish military movement across the Syrian-Turkish border.

 

Initial reports, Turkish columns are entering Syria.

"The current goal is to eliminate the organization PKK and YPG in Syria. Either this organization dissolves itself or we will destroy it," - Hakan Fidan, Turkish Foreign Minister.

 

Take this with a grain of salt, but the news is comming out that the kurds are in a state of panic and are fleeing. 

 

False alarm, only a buildup of Turkish troops and columns around the border.

[RiseOrDie]

 

[Activate your inner truth]

 

https://youtu.be/Zf3soIIpoGk?si=Nygf6ziPe0dPdNKv

 

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Edited December 14, 2024 by Activate your inner truth
I forgot to add video title.

[Abbas0]

Salamu alaykoom brothers & sisters.

I’ve been following this thread and another one on here, in hopes of learning more information about the coming trials & tribulations of the accursed sufyani, whom the imams (عليه السلام) have clearly narrated would rise after a big catastrophe occurs in the Sham region. It’s very scary to see that the signs are all happening around us, and inshallah if God wills it be, then the imam’s return could be very very close.. closer than anyone could have ever dreamed for!

that being said.. I know the sufyani is technically supposed to be a Muslim Arab and a descendant from Abu Sufyan, and many ppl are saying that Mohammed al Jolani could very well be the sufyani, or the pre-sufyani, since he’s originally from the wad al yabis area that the imams said the sufyani would come from.. but hear me out on this theory.. isn’t it interesting that the Hadiths clearly note the sufyani rises to power in rajab, and rajab is January so a month away.. and we have Mr Donald Trump becoming the next president again in January ? 

note that the imams described him as a fat, very blood/red looking face, ugly, firm in his speeches, and claims to be good(wanting to help) but in reality would be horrible. 
 

now I know the sufyani is supposed to be a descendant of Abu sufyan, and who knows maybe Al jolani is him, or maybe king Abdullah of Jordan uses an excuse just like isreal is doing right now, and decides to step into Syria to “protect” & “avenge” the fallen Muslims that are prophesied to die in a major battle/earthquake that is supposed to take place in qarqesia (modern day dair al zor area) sometime in the near future. 
 

I find it interesting though that the Hadiths say the Turks move in, which turkey has been doing for years. And the Roman’s (aka the Americans) land in ramla, which they did that this year in Palestine… and that 3 main groups will disagree and fight in sham, which 3 diff rebel groups are fighting right now in Syria.. (the two groups fighting in the north are the Kurds vs the rebels backed by Turkey) and some Hadiths say that they’ll be fighting for a long time but neither of them wins, they just keep weakening each other until the Sufyani swoops in easily and takes them both out.. 

 

brothers & sisters, it could very well be happening right before our own eyes Subhanallah!!! Of course the knowledge of the unseen, and the time of the rise of the sufyani & yamani, as well as the return of our awaited grandson of Fatima ((عليه السلام)/a.j), is all in God’s hands AND ONLY ALLAH (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows if this is it!! Maybe in 1000 years, something worst than this happens who knows. But the signs are getting clearer by the day. The sufyani comes from the dry valley which in modern day is the cities in and around the Syrian/jordanian/palestinian borders!!! Who knows, even Netyanhu can be the sufyani at this point.. who’s caused more bloodshed & wars than this guy in our day and age? 
 

inshallah by the will & might of the Almighty creator, we could have a chance to shake hands with the imam of our time (a.j) and be able to sit beside him and ask him anything we’d like to ask, and be able to wake up to a world that’s at complete peace with each other, and in a beautiful economy where no1 is broke & instead everyone’s living life to the fullest with good wealth & amazing worshipping.. ya rab !

[Abu Nur]

    Some of the Sufyani’s physical characteristics are as follows:

    He is “Azraq” (meaning that his eyes are lividly black and blue in color)[7]
    He is “A’war” (meaning that he is similar to a one-eyed individual)[7]
    He is “Waḥsh al-Waj” (meaning that his face is terrifying to look at)[7]
    He is “Ashqar” (meaning that his skin is red and white, with red being the dominant pigmentation)[7]
    He is “Aḥmar” (meaning that his face is red)[7]
    He is “Jadrī” (meaning that his face pimply)[7]
    He is “Ḍakhm al-Hāmmah” (meaning that he has a big face)[7]
    He is “Rab’ah” (meaning that he is medium sized in height)[7]

Trump suffers from acne rosacea so his face is pimply without make up. His eyes looks exactly almost like pig eyes and his face structure look like a pig. Trump height could be a lie he is actually could be shorter, exalty medium height. His skin is red and white. He have a blue eyes and is blond.

He killed Qasim Suleimani. He approved nuclear weapon to use to destroy Iran nuclear facilities underground. He want war with Shias and hates them. He is deceiver who seek power trough evilness. He is very related with Jews and Christians and want to extend Israel for greater Israel. 

But still it is high possible that it is not him. If he appears in Damascus in Rajab. Means that the first thing he do in his office (or on any of Rajab when he is in power) is to visit Syria and if he push Israel to take the west bank and Jordan and if he will fight the turks in syria aljazeera area and exactly do those things mentioned in hadith, then it is highly possible it is him.

We should just observe the signs if they fit or not, but never give any time for Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and not lose hope.

Edited December 14, 2024 by Abu Nur

[Diaz]

13 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Trump

First my aunt, then someone from Reddit and now you. I never even thought about this if it’s real or no. I always thought sufyani is Arab not white.

[Abu Nur]

5 minutes ago, Diaz said:

First my aunt, then someone from Reddit and now you. I never even thought about this if it’s real or no. I always thought sufyani is Arab not white.

It could be also some different man with similar physical characteristics that no one know yet. But I want to see what he will do, because that will tell a lot too.

[Abbas0]

Plus the fact he rises in rajab the imams say, while trump takes over in rajab (January 20th I believe which would be the 20th of rajab).. I forgot he also gave the quds capital to the yahoodies and yes killed Qassem.. but then again, the Hadiths say sufyani comes out with a vengeance basically saying “my lord, first I kill kill kill (avenge) and then I’ll go to hell after that idc” is basically how his mentality will be. What will he avenge tho? Could it be the massacre that’s to take place in qarqesya between the Kurds and the other rebels? Or maybe it’s what Netyazarba did after Oct 7th when he promised his ppl he would avenge the kidnapped yahoodis by Hamas? Or could it be something else? All we can do it wait and keep a close eye on things! Today there was a big gathering in Jordan by all Arab and western countries, to discuss the Syria situation. Who knows maybe someone from Jordan (*cough* King Not-Abdullah *cough*) is ready to step in if things get out of hand or they feel the need to intervene if things go sideways and it risks falling out into Jordan next. 

Edited December 15, 2024 by Abbas0

[Abbas0]

2 hours ago, Diaz said:

First my aunt, then someone from Reddit and now you. I never even thought about this if it’s real or no. I always thought sufyani is Arab not white.

Where is the link to the someone from Reddit? I’m interested to read what other ppl think about the current events and the sufyani Hadiths! The biggest thing that got to me about trump being the sufyani, was the fact he rises to president status again, in rajab/january. That’s either a big coincidence, or spot on.. plus who knows, maybe the Hadith that says he slays his own mom to hide his ancestry is true? Maybe he’s not actually American 

[Azadeh307]

4 minutes ago, Abbas0 said:

he slays his own mom to hide his ancestry is true?

It's possible it is Trump but I don't think he can slay his own mom because she is already dead. 

[Abbas0]

11 minutes ago, Azadeh307 said:

It's possible it is Trump but I don't think he can slay his own mom because she is already dead. 

Well he could have done it before even coming to the spotlight who knows.. or maybe that Hadith isn’t even authentic who knows.. but his entire facial features match all the Hadiths breaking down his looks. His rise to power in rajab is spot on as trump takes over in rajab 20th or 21st (which is January so in a month from now).. who knows maybe as soon as he becomes president again, he launches a ground invasion of Syria? Who knows mannn or it turns out to be some random aroor looking freak that comes out from deraaa in 10000 years from now! Only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows everything for certain  

[RiseOrDie]

@Abbas0 As I mentioned in the initial post, I personally believe the Sufyani is Israel backed by the US and secular Arab monarchies who recognized Israel. As Trump wants to a form an 'Arab coalition' we can already combine this group as one. So in a sense the Sufyani's personality can be a muddled up collective which comes from a coalition formed by these states and entities. But in the end, it should be one distinguishable man nominated from this coalition and who will lead it, and this will only become clear after the events have occured, and more so after his army is swallowed in Bayda as this will be a non-arguable sign.

Could Trump be the Sufyani himself since he's Red, blue and blonde? maybe but maybe not. Too early to say and we could be a few decades away from the events although I hope not.

In some narrations it states there will be:

1/ The Suyfani 

2/ Sahb Al Sufyani (companion of the Sufyani)

3/ Sahb Al Burqu' (The veiled one)

72 - غيبة الشيخ الطوسي: الفضل، عن إسماعيل بن مهران، عن عثمان بن جبلة، عن عمر بن أبان الكلبي، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال: كأني بالسفياني أو بصاحب السفياني قد طرح رحله في رحبتكم بالكوفة، فنادى مناديه من جاء برأس شيعة علي فله ألف درهم، فيثب الجار على جاره، ويقول: هذا منهم، فيضرب عنقه ويأخذ ألف درهم.
أما إن إمارتكم يومئذ لا يكون إلا لأولاد البغايا وكأني أنظر إلى صاحب البرقع، قلت: ومن صاحب البرقع؟ فقال: رجل منكم يقول بقولكم يلبس البرقع فيحوشكم (1) فيعرفكم ولا تعرفونه، فيغمز بكم رجلا رجلا أما إنه لا يكون إلا ابن بغي.

بحار الأنوار - العلامة المجلسي - ج ٥٢ - الصفحة ٢١٥

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72 - Al-Ghaybah of Sheikh Al-Tusi : Al-Fadl, on the authority of Ismail bin Mihran , on the authority of Uthman bin Jabalah , on the authority of Omar bin Aban Al-Kalbi, on the authority of Abu Abdullah, peace be upon him, who said:

It is as if I see the Sufyani or the companion of the Sufyani has pitched his tent in your courtyard in Kufa , and his announcer calls out: Whoever brings the head of the Shiites of Ali will get a thousand dirhams. The neighbor will inform on his neighbor and say: This is one of them, so he will strike off his neck and take a thousand dirhams.
As for your emirate on that day, it will be for none but the sons of prostitutes. As if I see the owner of the veil (burqu). I said: Who is the owner of the burqu? He said: A man from among you who says what you say, wears the burqa and crowds you (1) and recognizes you but you do not recognize him, so he will wink at you man by man. As for him, he will be none other than the son of a prostitute.

 

According to the hadith above; there is the Sufyani (religion unknown, appears religious but he's not) himself, and then there is companion of the Sufyani who will lead the army into Iraq/Kufa (likely an Arab/Muslim/Sunni), and there is also the veiled one who will be from the Shi'a but he will work for the Sufyani (also an Arab/Muslim/Shia). So as you can see, this aligns with the coalition theory as there will be many levels to his movement.

Another important thing to note is that the Sufyani will first fight to control the 5 district of Al-Sham. There seems to be some confusion about this as some associate the 5 districts with Syria only, for example: Daraa, Damascus, Homs, Hama, Aleppo. In some instances I've seen people replace Hama with Idlib or Suwayda. But the hadith clearly states:

 ففي رواية عبد الله بن ابي منصور البجلي قال: سألت ابا عبد الله عليه السلام عن اسم السفياني؟ فقال: وما تصنع باسمه إذا ملك كور الشام الخمس: دمشق وحمص وفلسطين والاردن وقنسرين فتوقعوا بعد ذلك الفرج (كمال الدين وتمام النعمة : 651).

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In the narration of Abdullah bin Abi Mansour Al-Bajali, he said: I asked Abu Abdullah, peace be upon him, about the name of Al-Sufyani? He said: What will you do with his name when he rules the five regions of Ash-Sham: Damascus, Homs, Palestine, Jordan, and Qinnasrin then expect releif after that.

In the hadith above, the 5 districts are

1. Damascus / Dimashq

2. Homs / Hims

3. Palestine / Filastin

4. Jordan / Al-Urdun

5. Qinnasrin (which is Aleppo)

For this we must refer to the old districts of Al-Sham that were known to the Arabs and Imams (عليه السلام) to understand the 5 areas that the Sufyani will fight for before going to Al-Jazira

On the map above, it couldn't get any clearer where the Sufyani will fight initially, it is these 5 districts that he will fight for and conquer without dispute. Other regions like Hama, Idlib, Daraa, Suwayda, and even Lebanon are all part of these districts. Interestingly a portion of Al Jazira is also visible on this map, which was mentioned in the initial post in relation to Qirqisya battle, the presence of Qays tribe (Diyar Mudar) on it, Marwanids (Diyar Bakr), and which the Turks will occupy.

There is also this version of the map, which is similar:

So to sum up the Sufyani will fight to control these regions. Israel has already fought in Palestine and Jordan (Gaza, west bank, Southern Lebanon), Israel has already entered Damascus too from the direction of Mount Hermon (after Assad's fall). Overall while Israel has achieved victories it has yet to conquer these lands completely. Al Joulani has (since 2011) fought all over Syria, Al-Nusra fought in Lebanon, and prior to 2011 he fought in Iraq too and more recently he took Damascus without a fight causing Assad to flee. If anything. For now I don't think the Joulani and HTS are the Sufyani, being that HTS/Joulani are influenced by the Muslim brotherhood, and backed by Erdogan (his party is the Muslim brotherhood which has been gradually descularising Turkey over the past several decades), If anything the Joulani/HTS/Turks will be in direct clash with the Sufyani in my opinion. After all the greatest threat to the secular Arab monarchies is the Muslim brotherhood for 2 reasons:

1. Ideological clash. Muslim brotherhood does not align with secular monarchies, the latter is prefered by Israel especially around it's borders.
2. The Sunni populations of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, GCC etc are more susceptible to a Sunni movement like the Muslim brotherhood than they are to a Shia movement because the majority population is Sunni. So in order for these Arab regimes (and Israel) to protect themselves, it makes sense why the Sufyani's attention will not be on the Shia initially (even though his ultimate goal is to destroy them), first he must fight his biggest threat and eliminate it thus securing his base and movement before he can continue on his main goal, that is Iraq and Iran shias.

We saw what they did to Morsi (Muslim Brotherhood) in Egypt when they overthrew him and brought secular Sisi, which funnily enough angered Erdogan, Qatar, and Iran). You see for Iran, it would rather have Muslim Brotherhood influenced regimes in the region, like Turkey, Morsi, and even HTS than to have states like Jordan, Egypt (Sisi), UAE. Because Iran can work with these regimes, Turkey and Iran have good trade, Turkey refused to implement sanctions on Iran, Morsi allowed Iranian military vessels to sail through the Suez canal, and maybe even HTS/new regime in Syria can be influenced in good time.

I think it's too early to know who the Sufyani is as a person yet, I don't think we will know for sure who he is till much, much later, but we have strong indication on his group, movement and allies for now, so we keep an eye on Israel/US/EU/Jordan/Saudi/GCC (minus Qatar).

Weirdly enough this news came out in the last 48 hours:

 

Edited December 15, 2024 by RiseOrDie

[RiseOrDie]

Uh oh 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, RiseOrDie said:

In the hadith above, the 5 districts are

1. Damascus / Dimashq

2. Homs / Hims

3. Palestine / Filastin

4. Jordan / Al-Urdun

5. Qinnasrin (which is Aleppo)

For this we must refer to the old districts of Al-Sham that were known to the Arabs and Imams (عليه السلام) to understand the 5 areas that the Sufyani will fight for before going to Al-Jazira

Salam for more clarification conquering 5 districts is a essential sign but it's not enough which according to other narration prove of being Sufyani is ruling over these districts for 9 months besides of uprising of Sayyid al-Yamani, and Sayyid al-Khurasani are going to occur in the same year, same month, and the same day.

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According to a hadith from Imam al-Rida (a), the Reappearance of al-Qa'im (a) will not happen without the uprising of al-Sufyani. According to other hadiths, after nine months of rule in Syria, al-Sufyani and his army advance towards Medina and will be devoured by the Earth in a place called "Bayda'".

There is a hadith from Imam al-Baqir (a) implying that the uprisings of al-Sufyani, Sayyid al-Yamani, and Sayyid al-Khurasani are going to occur in the same year, same month, and the same day.^[14]

^{[14] Ibn Ṭāwūs, al-Tashrīf bi l-minan, p. 158, hadith, 205, 206.}

According to another hadith, Imam Ali (a) points to the Qur'an 34:51, ^[16] suggesting that al-Sufyani will rule Syria for nine months and then when he leads his army towards Medina, God takes him inside the Earth in Bayda'.^[17]

[17] Nuʿmanī, Kitāb al-ghayba, p. 305.

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Uprising_of_al-Sufyani

Sufanyani's personality; Real or symbolic? Seyyed Muhammad Sadr (1322-1377 Hijri Sun calndar), one of the Marjas of taqlid of the 14th century, in his book Tarikh al-Ghaibah al-Kubara, considered Sufyani to be a symbol of deviation in the Islamic society.[17]

[17] صدر، تاریخ الغیبة الکبری، ۱۴۱۲ق، ص۴۸۴.

Sadr, Tarikh al-Ghaibah al-Kubara 1412 lunar , p 484

Of course, in his answer, it was said that knowing the signs of appearance as  symbolic was contrary to the appearance of hadiths [18] and causes the function of the signs of appearance which is the recognition of Imam Mahdi ((عليه السلام).) from the false claimants [19] to be nullified [20].

[18] محمدی ری‌شهری، دانشنامه امام مهدی، ۱۳۹۳ش، ج۷، ص۴۶۰.

Mohammadi Reyshahri(Mohammad Reyshahri  also known as Mohammad Mohammadi-Nik ), Imam Mahdi's Encyclopaedia, 1393 Hijri sun calendar , vol.7, p.460.

[19] Mohammadi Reyshahri, Imam Mahdi's Encyclopaedia, 1393 Hijri sun calendar , vol.7, p.414-415.

[20] Mohammadi Reyshahri, Imam Mahdi's Encyclopaedia, 1393 Hijri sun calendar , vol.7, p.460.

https://fa.wikishia.net/view/خروج_سفیانی

According to Allamah Korani

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Before the uprising of Sufani, there must be a political vacuum in Arabia and a tribal war. In this situation, the ruling government in Arabia requests Sufanyani to send troops to maintain security in Medina.

 

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How do you interpret and analyze these hadiths?

It is based on the concept of the correct text of hadiths. The main strength of any subject is in interpreting the interpretations of the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) and Ahl al-Bayt (عليه السلام). First, find the correct and solid text, and then understand and interpret this text and its various aspects. This is how the hadiths are analyzed.

https://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/5087990/زمینه-سازان-ظهور-از-قوم-سلمان-هستند-قتل-نفس-زکیه-چه-زمانی-اتفاق-می-افتد-آیا-در-روایات-ظهوربه-داعش-اشاره-شده-است

[Ashvazdanghe]

41 minutes ago, RiseOrDie said:

Uh oh 

 

In other word, paraphrase of it means that Jordan has been safe because it always has been protecting shield of Israel which after expansion of  Israel holding it won't has any  use for Israel so it will be swallowed by so called greater Israel in similar fashion of Syria. 

Edited December 15, 2024 by Ashvazdanghe

[Diaz]

8 hours ago, Abbas0 said:

Where is the link to the someone from Reddit? I’m interested to read what other ppl think about the current events and the sufyani Hadiths! The biggest thing that got to me about trump being the sufyani, was the fact he rises to president status again, in rajab/january. That’s either a big coincidence, or spot on.. plus who knows, maybe the Hadith that says he slays his own mom to hide his ancestry is true? Maybe he’s not actually American 

Sorry, brother, but the [reddit] admin deleted it [from the reddit website]. 
 

https://www.reddit.com/r/shia/s/Iqij6tWkmM

Edited December 15, 2024 by ShiaChat Mod
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[Abu Hadi]

14 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

    Some of the Sufyani’s physical characteristics are as follows:

    He is “Azraq” (meaning that his eyes are lividly black and blue in color)[7]
    He is “A’war” (meaning that he is similar to a one-eyed individual)[7]
    He is “Waḥsh al-Waj” (meaning that his face is terrifying to look at)[7]
    He is “Ashqar” (meaning that his skin is red and white, with red being the dominant pigmentation)[7]
    He is “Aḥmar” (meaning that his face is red)[7]
    He is “Jadrī” (meaning that his face pimply)[7]
    He is “Ḍakhm al-Hāmmah” (meaning that he has a big face)[7]
    He is “Rab’ah” (meaning that he is medium sized in height)[7]

Trump suffers from acne rosacea so his face is pimply without make up. His eyes looks exactly almost like pig eyes and his face structure look like a pig. Trump height could be a lie he is actually could be shorter, exalty medium height. His skin is red and white. He have a blue eyes and is blond.

He killed Qasim Suleimani. He approved nuclear weapon to use to destroy IranWas Donald Trump's Family Surname Once 'Drumpf'? | Snopes.com nuclear facilities underground. He want war with Shias and hates them. He is deceiver who seek power trough evilness. He is very related with Jews and Christians and want to extend Israel for greater Israel. 

But still it is high possible that it is not him. If he appears in Damascus in Rajab. Means that the first thing he do in his office (or on any of Rajab when he is in power) is to visit Syria and if he push Israel to take the west bank and Jordan and if he will fight the turks in syria aljazeera area and exactly do those things mentioned in hadith, then it is highly possible it is him.

We should just observe the signs if they fit or not, but never give any time for Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and not lose hope.

One big problem. There is close to zero possibility that Trump is a descendant of Abu Sufyan. His lineage is from Germany and his original family name is Drumpf. His dad, Fred Drumpf changed the family name to 'Trump', I don't know, maybe because he thought it sounded cool. Trump, Donald Trump's name which he is so proud of and puts up everywhere is not actually his name. How ironic. He is a fraud, totally and completely, even when it comes to his name. Anyway. 

Was Donald Trump's Family Surname Once 'Drumpf'? | Snopes.com

Drumpf - Wikipedia

So his lineage does not trace back to anywhere in the MENA. There are other problems also. He is not short. His height is over 6ft, his real height. This is not surprising since Germans from this area are known, even throughout Europe, to be tall. 

Is he evil ? Yes. Is he the Sufyani ? Very, very unlikely. 

Edited December 15, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[Abbas0]

Well, if Jordan or someone from along the lines of the Jordanian/Israeli coalition, gets involved and uses “the security of the Jordanian people” as an excuse to intervene in Syria in any way, then that’ll most likely become the movement of the accursed sufyani. It’s also scary to note that most Arab country spokesmen met in Jordan yesterday for a meeting to discuss the instability and future of the Syrian conflict.