Has the Axis of resistance failed

[Eddie Mecca]

17 hours ago, Abu_Zahra said:

Completely agree with @Abu Hadi, the Zionist narrative has taken a huge hit. They crossed all the red lines and history will remember them as a lawless, terrorist entity. 

People are starting to realize that supporting them is a waste of their tax money, and once this concern grows stronger the funds will start to dry up. 

1.) I agree with you agreeing with @Abu Hadi

2.) Second paragraph...um...eh...er...well, the majority of Americans know exactly what's expected of them when the cameras begin rolling...they know to hit all the right notes...plenty talk of democracy, freedom, free market economy, pursuit of happiness and all that...they know what higher-ups and Middle America expects them to say...and they know what outsiders/foreigners (especially inhabitants of the Third World) want to hear...it's a type of dialogue based on a social or nationalistic fakeness (i.e. tone policing, indignation etc.)...they're attempting to seek approval from their peers and trying to regain a confidence in themselves by projecting or presenting a fabricated version of their best selves on their best day...deep down the average American knows he's lost the reigns of control...the train has been derailed for decades now and he's essentially a hostage or captive on an undetermined joyride...funding to Israel will never be cut off because the American people insist on playing a dishonest game with themselves...they lost the honesty for introspective reflection...they lack the courage for a rebellion or revolt of any kind or sort...the federal government divides them along class, racial, religious and political affinity lines and they love and revel in it...AIPAC, Halliburton, Apple, Microsoft, BlackRock all hivemind...the American people can't come together and think collectively worth a damn...they realize they're up against insurmountable odds...unwinnable odds...so they preoccupy themselves with mindless pastimes like: drinking beer, smoking weed and watching the Super Bowl...better that than igniting a civil war against the most formidable army in the world...this is how the average American thinks...either consciously or subconsciously 

[Eddie Mecca]

On 12/10/2024 at 1:05 PM, AbdusSibtayn said:

And then Imran Khan institutionalized that hate with his pandering to the Deobandis for political quid pro quo. His uniform 'nisaab' bil for religious instruction in schools, appointing Deobandi mullas in schools, his looking the other way as the Shia got massacred in the Northwest, his shamelessness culminating in his degenerate behaviour after the Machh massacre. It all went from bad to worse. 

And when he fell into trouble, Fazlur Rahman and Taqi Usmani both deserted him. 

I don't understand how some Shia see him as a better option. May he live to suffer the consequences of his misdeeds. 

I look in his eyes and I see sincerity...I believe he's committed to either death/martyrdom or making extremely significant changes in Pakistan...the measure of a man can be determined by his actions, his mission statement and the quality of his enemies...Imran Khan has all the "right" enemies...his ideas are progressive...he's in favor of renewable energy...decades of charitable activities and events that have raised millions for the needy and destitute (e.g. he singlehandedly raised $25 million worldwide for Pakistan's first cancer hospital)...he's an opponent of US-led "war on terror"...he was a detractor of the Iraq War (2003)...he criticized the US drone campaign in Pakistan...he's a strong proponent of domestic anti-corruption reforms...before being overthrown he was building ties with Vladimir Putin (Russian Ambassador to Pakistan...Danila Ganich...stated that Khan's visit and friendly overtures to Moscow might have been one of the main factors contributing to his removal from power)...like Iran, he congratulated the new Taliban for ousting the Americans...like Tehran, he has a love-hate relationship with the Taliban...they (Pakistani Taliban) threatened to kill him in 2012...a few months later, they (Pakistani Taliban) offered him protection and unyielding commitment when he spoke out courageously against US targeting of Taliban leadership through drone strikes (note: similar to Israeli targeting of Hezbollah top commanders in Lebanon through bombing raids back in September)...in 2014, when the Pakistani Taliban announced "armed struggle" against Ismailis and denounced them as non-Muslims...Khan countered by releasing a statement describing "forced conversions as un-Islamic."...Khan's foreign policy staunchly aligns with Tehran's on major regional issues..."One of the more striking elements of Imran Khan's message on foreign policy is his overtly pro-Iran statements...it's been quite some time since a top Pakistani leader has expressed such sympathies to Iran."...he's trying to move Pakistan away from the Anglo-Saudi orbit..."Throughout Khan’s tenure since 2018, Pakistan’s relations with the United States, Europe and the Arab Sunni Gulf states were far from cordial. Instead, on some occasions, Islamabad’s bilateral ties with its traditional and time-tested allies reached the lowest depths."

Edited December 27, 2024 by Eddie Mecca

[Haji 2003]

My thoughts on the bigger picture

 

 

[Soldiers and Saffron]

 

[Ibn Tayyar]

On 12/23/2024 at 1:33 PM, mahmood8726 said:

Neither is there a will for another fighting to continue in Israel, as I stated above. This is besides the point and you missed an important point I mentionned, resistance is fueled by people realizing how evil Israel is, people who had doubts, will join the cause, ask most lebanese people now how they feel about the ceasefire and they're angry Israel is getting away with this, Israel for example destroyed 35% of naqoura before the ceasefire, whilst they destroyed 75% of the city in the last 3 weeks, lebanese people are realizing how useless the lebanese army or international law is at defending Lebanon. And I didn't mention anything about Gaza, I mentionned Lebanon specifically, hoshtein is even planning a visit it seems because the ceasefire is not holding too well, Israel has violated the ceasefire 280 times so far. Nonetheless, hezbollah 2 days ago said they will wait these 60 days and they don't want to give Israel a pretext to attack Lebanon in the remaining of these 60 days, they will focus on Lebanon in this next month.  

 

Remeber in 2006, media was not as present as today, the lebanese people as a whole are seeing israels serious violations. 

280 violations is not "some breaches", what Israel is doing is not minor, but again you could be right, after 2006, Israel violated the ceasefire like this by bombing lebanon badly, dahiyeh was 90% destroyed(worse than today) and when they felt good after violating the ceasefire with bombings, they stopped and they only violated another 30000 times with surveillance drones. 

The ones that were severely damaged, hezb did severely damage many bases, especially border ones with heavy burkan missiles, Israelis are saying this, not me. 

You litterally have hundreds of videos evidence of hezb destroying major parts of a base and killing personnel and you doubt they did anything when they weren't recording it. And you're using ww2 as an example too which is almost a century ago in 20 years. 

Hezb was using burkan 500kg warhead missiles on many of these bases, inflicting serious damage, especially on most of the border bases. 

 

And where did I mention "disable"? I dont remeber saying this. Is it because I said "lost" whilst trying to say they lost a lot of material in these bases? I'm going to be clearer here, I'm referring to the damage to the bases and their material losses which will complicate things for Israel, these bases could still be operational. If I said disable bases or entirely render bases useless, then I meant something else, the bases being out of service are probably a minority I am assuming. 

At this point I'm not even going to bother with this, you're making me repeat myself a lot and you're ignoring Israeli sources themselves by using examples from aomost half a century ago or some armchair millitary analysis(no offense meant) to go on to claim that Israel would just recover fast, when their own sources are claiming otherwise, because bases are supposed to take damage and remain operational. Then you're making me repeat myself on Syria for the 4th time now. 

 

You still missed my point entirely and decided to focus on millitary losses and started comparing a conventional army supplied by America to a guerilla fighting group as if this is supposed to be some reciprocal fight. This misses the entire point of guerilla warfare and how they slowly exhaust bigger armies than them despite suffering more losses than said conventional army. They're not supposed to do a shock n awe operation.

Please reread what I put above in my previous post, to understand the actual important point here. Objectives are what matter. Other people here have also put emphasis on this my friend. 

I don't believe we are getting anywhere with this discussion, so I will agree to disagree and we will wait until the ceasefire date passes and see what transpires after that. Time will give us the answer.

But just a question: can I ask which Israeli sources have said Israeli military bases will take years to recover, and that they have suffered the amount of damage you claim they have? I'm curious. I have tried to look for these sources but couldn't find anything.

[mahmood8726]

On 1/1/2025 at 9:02 PM, Ibn Tayyar said:

I don't believe we are getting anywhere with this discussion, so I will agree to disagree and we will wait until the ceasefire date passes and see what transpires after that. Time will give us the answer.

But just a question: can I ask which Israeli sources have said Israeli military bases will take years to recover, and that they have suffered the amount of damage you claim they have? I'm curious. I have tried to look for these sources but couldn't find anything.

I don't remeber exactly as it's been since November 26th, but probably channel 12, channel 13 or ynet? I honestly forgot and its probably gone by now through the internet as it wasn't even an article, it was one of these small quick updates you get from media outlets, that often get displayed on their website.

 

But I could search for others, I'm sure I'll find them:

 

I atleast found this article from June 1 2024, which basically says how badly hezbollahs burkan missiles have damaged Israeli bases:

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hkfbgftnc

 

This is another example of an article from November 2023 stating how serious these burkan missiles are at causing "considerable" damage to Israeli bases:

https://www.inss.org.il/social_media/hezbollahs-burkan-rocket-a-new-threat/

 

As for millitary bases taking years, as I don't have millitary expertise and I couldnt find anything about taking years to rebuild a base, I asked chatgpt(yes I know bad source), and it gave an intresting answer:

Question:

Is it possible, it will take years to rebuild a millitary base if it was considerably destroyed?

Answer:

Yes, it could take years to rebuild a military base if it were considerably destroyed. The timeline depends on several factors, including:

 

Extent of Damage: Severe destruction, such as collapsed buildings, destroyed infrastructure, and damaged runways or ports, requires significant clearing and rebuilding efforts.

 

Size and Complexity: Military bases are often complex installations with runways, barracks, command centers, storage depots, and specialized facilities like airstrips, docks, or missile silos, which take time to rebuild.

 

Logistics and Supply Chain: Acquiring and transporting construction materials, heavy machinery, and workforce to the site—especially if it is in a remote or conflict-prone area—can delay reconstruction.

 

Funding and Budget Approval: Military budgets often require approval from governments, which can introduce delays due to bureaucratic processes.

 

Security Concerns: Rebuilding in an active conflict zone requires additional measures to secure the area, slowing construction.

 

Environmental and Engineering Challenges: Bases near coastlines, mountains, or deserts may face challenges such as clearing debris, stabilizing terrain, or dealing with contamination from explosives or hazardous materials.

 

Modernization Requirements: Instead of simply rebuilding, military planners often opt to modernize facilities, adding advanced systems, bunkers, and protective infrastructure, which can further prolong timelines.

 

Historical Examples:

Pearl Harbor (1941): After the attack, some repairs took months, but full restoration of the naval base required years of work.

Iraq and Afghanistan (2000s): Building and rebuilding bases in conflict zones took several years, even with modern resources.

In summary, rebuilding a considerably destroyed military base is a long-term effort that may take several years to a decade, depending on the complexity and challenges involved.

Edited January 5, 2025 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

Important link to come back to months later:

 

 

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 12/27/2024 at 2:02 PM, Eddie Mecca said:

I look in his eyes and I see sincerity...I believe he's committed to either death/martyrdom or making extremely significant changes in Pakistan...the measure of a man can be determined by his actions, his mission statement and the quality of his enemies...Imran Khan has all the "right" enemies...his ideas are progressive...he's in favor of renewable energy...decades of charitable activities and events that have raised millions for the needy and destitute (e.g. he singlehandedly raised $25 million worldwide for Pakistan's first cancer hospital)...he's an opponent of US-led "war on terror"...he was a detractor of the Iraq War (2003)...he criticized the US drone campaign in Pakistan...he's a strong proponent of domestic anti-corruption reforms...before being overthrown he was building ties with Vladimir Putin (Russian Ambassador to Pakistan...Danila Ganich...stated that Khan's visit and friendly overtures to Moscow might have been one of the main factors contributing to his removal from power)...like Iran, he congratulated the new Taliban for ousting the Americans...like Tehran, he has a love-hate relationship with the Taliban...they (Pakistani Taliban) threatened to kill him in 2012...a few months later, they (Pakistani Taliban) offered him protection and unyielding commitment when he spoke out courageously against US targeting of Taliban leadership through drone strikes (note: similar to Israeli targeting of Hezbollah top commanders in Lebanon through bombing raids back in September)...in 2014, when the Pakistani Taliban announced "armed struggle" against Ismailis and denounced them as non-Muslims...Khan countered by releasing a statement describing "forced conversions as un-Islamic."...Khan's foreign policy staunchly aligns with Tehran's on major regional issues..."One of the more striking elements of Imran Khan's message on foreign policy is his overtly pro-Iran statements...it's been quite some time since a top Pakistani leader has expressed such sympathies to Iran."...he's trying to move Pakistan away from the Anglo-Saudi orbit..."Throughout Khan’s tenure since 2018, Pakistan’s relations with the United States, Europe and the Arab Sunni Gulf states were far from cordial. Instead, on some occasions, Islamabad’s bilateral ties with its traditional and time-tested allies reached the lowest depths."

He's just a shrewd munafiq and none of those things. 

He was just one of the many Frankenstein monsters created by the Pak army and the ISI who got dumped by his sponsors. He was never anti-Western because like many other third-world kleptocrats, he had to rely on IMF/WB doles to keep the economy running (an occasional blackmail here or there doesn't matter, and anyone who evaluates him based on his PR and not on his real under-the-table actions needs to log off the internet till he can do better). He enabled the TTP so long as they were obedient hitmen (they later turned on him when they were offered a larger sack of money, as all hitmen do). Anyone thinking or preaching that he was pro-Iran in any sense of the term has lesser credibility than the joker in the deck of cards;the clampdown on the Iran-affiliated clerics was the highest in his tenure, and he looked the other way as al-Qaeda/Jundullah/Jaish al-Adl/TTP routinely mauled Iran from across the border ignoring incessant remonstrations from Tehran (no, those smiley faces handshake photo ops don't count either). Claiming that he was anti-Saudi/Gulf is also laughable- Pakistani army continued to be the Saudi-sponsored IMCTCS's dirty works doer under him, and Raheel Shareef continued to butcher the Bahraini and Yemeni Shia with his full blessings. He was to rubber stamp all the Gringo-Nasibi projects in the regions and beyond and they'd give him enough to lead his notoriously debauched Don Juan/ Casanova lifestyle. 

 

Then around 2020-21 he realized that he is the proverbial emperor without clothes, not the king in the castle which he thought himself to be, but the clown in the circus that he really was. He tried to turn to the other bully in the schoolyard (CPEC, BRI etc were hot topics in local politics back then) but then they grabbed him by the scruff and shunted him in the puppy crate where he's whining and whimpering to this day. 

As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I still pray that he lives long enough to see and suffer all the consequences of his misdeeds. 

[mahmood8726]

On 12/25/2024 at 8:03 AM, Abu Hadi said:

The biggest loss for Zionists in this war is not in terms of equipment and bases. That damage is minimal and could be easily recovered, as some have said, with a supplier like the US Govt (not the people) willing to give unlimited support. 

Even I would say the losses amoung the IDF and the desertions are a problem, but not a huge problem. The losses, although they are much higher that what officials in the Zionist Entity are saying, are not in the hundreds of thousands. That is what they would need to be to say the IDF is defeated. I don't think they are even more than 10,000. The main reason is because IDF almost never come out in the open to fight, man to man. They are either in a tank or on a base surrounded by fortifications. Even in the Quran, it says 'They will not fight you except behind a barrier (fortifications)' 

The airforce (as others have said) has suffered almost no losses and they are continuously supplied with bombs from the US. The effort of the Yemeni and others have slowed that down but not stopped it. 

The main losses are two, and I think these will be the ones that finally end the Zionist State. 

1. Loss of 'image' of Israel in the world. The traditional view of Israel, i.e. the consensus view in the world, up to Oct 7, amoung non interested parties, was of a 'democracy' in the Middle East struggling against an enemy (i.e. the Arabs). I don't think there was particular love for the state, even before Oct. 7 outside of the Zionist community, but there wasn't much enmity. It was pretty neutral. That has completely changed. 

The main thing that changed it was the positing on social media from within Gaza and the fact that these first person accounts could be seen by millions instantly as they happened. This has never been possible before the present time and gave those 'disinterested' parties a first person view of the horrors of genocide right before their eyes. There is only one thing at this point which is preventing the Zionist State from being kicked out of the UN and that is the US Veto. That is a situation that noone could have anticipated a few years ago. 

2. The loss of support for Zionism among young American jews and Christian evangelicals. This has traditionally been the main based of support for Zionism. This is the core of the core. Without this support, which continues to get weaker, Zionism is doomed.  This is what keeps the Zionists up at night, not anything that is happening in Gaza. They are bending over backwards and launching campaign after campaign on social media and it is not having much or any effect. As they say, the horse has left the barn and it's not coming back. The documentary 'Israelism' goes over this in detail. I think it's free on youtube.

This basically shows how the traditional 'pipeline' or 'machine' in the US to brainwash young people to support Zionism has broken down and it continues to break down. The main reason behind this is the same reason worldwide support for Zionism has declined or evaporated. The firsthand accounts from social media on Gaza. Younger people, and especially them, are all over social media and although alot of this content is 'shadow banned' by Zuckerberg and Musk, enough of it gets through the censorship to make a strong case to these young people that Zionism is not a good thing. 

Oh absolutely, I was just making a joke about israel being this invinsible entity that will recover in 1 week with infinite American support. Israel will eventually repair everything within months to years, it won't be the reason they collapse. Although don't underestimate the desertions/injuries/deaths in the idf, this is important stuff, they have lost 100k+ due to ptsd/permanent injuries/desertions/deaths. 

 

However for the millitary losses, I even emphasized this to bin tayyar to focus on the objectives and the hit Israel has taken politically, these are much more important than focusing on millitary damage during a war between guerilla groups and a conventional army. 

 

Obviously these material losses won't make Israel collapse eventually, it will be more the politics, their image as a pariah terrorist state. 

On 12/25/2024 at 8:03 AM, Abu Hadi said:

For the axis of resistance to win, they just need to survive. They don't need to hand a military defeat to the Zionist state. They just need to exist long enough to see the above movements come to full fruition then the Zionist state will evaporate like the morning dew when it's hit by the sun. Truth always wins in the end. 

That's the goal, they are slowly nibbling at israel in this war of attrition and are making Israel lose more and more economically, politically, in terms of feeling of safety, etc... the goal is to survive. Israel as a project with settlers is unsustainable in these kind of high intensity situations for a prolonged time. 

Edited January 5, 2025 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

Now with the gaza ceasefire is approaching and it seems Israel has accepted it compromising on all of their goals, making this a palestinian victory if this fully goes through.

 

In extention this makes it a lebanese victory, if Israel pulls out of Lebanon. When hezbollah signed the ceasefire agreement, there was talk of a Gaza ceasefire back on the table before Trump's term and now that has happened. If resolution 1701 ends up being fully implemented, meaning Israel gives back shebaa farms, then that's very good. 

[mahmood8726]

 

https://t.me/TheSimurgh313/48520

Netanyahu in 2023: 

There will be no Hamas in Gaza..

 

Netanyahu in 2025: 

We are waiting for Hamas's response to the ceasefire proposal.

 

@TheSimurgh313

 

[Essentials123]

Multiple news sources are reporting that Anthony Blinken stated recruited as many members as it lost - 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/14/world-news/hamas-has-gained-as-many-new-fighters-as-it-has-lost-blinken/

[Guest Imām Zayd al-Shahīd]

Salam alaykum

 

The Resistance is backed by Allah because it has raised the flag of النصر للإسلام ("Victory belongs to Islam")

USA/Israel is a zero against the Almighty Allah 

The Almighty Allah divided the sea for the noble sons of Ibrahim ع and Ishaq ع and Ya'qub ع and drowned Pharaoh

He will also do miracles for the noble sons of Ibrahim ع and Muhammad ص and 'Ali ع who lead the Muqawama and He will drown Israel/US

Everything has an appointed time - we must be patient and do our duties and pray; but we should never doubt, because when we raise the Qur'an in one hand and the sword of Resistance in the other, we should remember that Allah is our Protector, and He is the Best Protector, and the enemies have no protectors

Allah says in the Qur'an

There is a [preordained] time for every nation: when their time comes, they shall not defer it by a single hour nor shall they advance it.

[Ibn Tayyar]

@mahmood8726 We have now seen how the events have played out since the ceasefire. Hundreds of Israeli breaches and yet the ceasefire (from Lebanon's perspective) is holding strong. Eventually the Israelis will withdraw as the ceasefire states, but only after hundreds of airstrikes and at a much later date than agreed.

Do you not see how Israel was able to achieve escalation dominance and act with near impunity, and impose alot of its will on the ground - and that this due to a failure of deterrence from the Axis of Resistance?

Think 3 or 4 years ago, every Israeli airstrike that resulted in a Hezbollah member death in Syria was responded to by Hezbollah.

Now the Israelis bomb the South all over even after a ceasefire and there's hardly a response. 

This is loss of deterrence. And one of the reasons is that Hezbollah is simply not as strong as it used to be politically within Lebanon, and will not risk the renewal of hostilities due to domestic pressure.

We can now see from the actions of the new Lebanese Government that they will probably engage in a more hostile approach to Hezbollah compared to previous Lebanese Governments.

The geopolitical reality has changed in Israel's favour following October 7. There is no reason to deny that. 

[mahmood8726]

4 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

@mahmood8726 We have now seen how the events have played out since the ceasefire. Hundreds of Israeli breaches and yet the ceasefire (from Lebanon's perspective) is holding strong. Eventually the Israelis will withdraw as the ceasefire states, but only after hundreds of airstrikes and at a much later date than agreed.

Do you not see how Israel was able to achieve escalation dominance and act with near impunity, and impose alot of its will on the ground - and that this due to a failure of deterrence from the Axis of Resistance?

Think 3 or 4 years ago, every Israeli airstrike that resulted in a Hezbollah member death in Syria was responded to by Hezbollah.

Now the Israelis bomb the South all over even after a ceasefire and there's hardly a response. 

This is loss of deterrence. And one of the reasons is that Hezbollah is simply not as strong as it used to be politically within Lebanon, and will not risk the renewal of hostilities due to domestic pressure.

We can now see from the actions of the new Lebanese Government that they will probably engage in a more hostile approach to Hezbollah compared to previous Lebanese Governments.

The geopolitical reality has changed in Israel's favour following October 7. There is no reason to deny that. 

This is still too early to tell. I'm waiting for more weeks or months. 

 

You guys keep forgetting that when the war in 2006 ended, israel violated the ceasefire like this and bombed many times until they felt good about themselves and their ego was satiated and then they stopped bombing and instead decided to violate the ceasefire 36 000 times with surveillance drones. The only reason people forget this, is because back then it wasn't televised, but Israel behaved just like this, they bombed even after the ceasefire. 

 

At the end of the day, it seems that hezb won, they forced Israel into a ceasefire because they probably knew Israel was going to sign one in Gaza. Israel wanted to succede in separating hezbollah from Gaza so that they could wipe hamas, they did not achieve this, instead the ceasefire in lebanon made them do a ceasefire in Gaza, achieving what hezb wanted. That is until now, if Israel decides to restart this war with hamas and go with their insane ethnic cleansing campaign, then there won't be a winner or loser because the war would have restarted. 

 

But as I said in the begening, it's too early to tell, especially after these insane ambitions of America on Gaza which might trigger a regional war. It could be that you're right and hezb just doesn't want to go against the partially pro us Lebanese state, or you might be wrong and they want to save their weaponry for a regional war or they just don't want to fall for Israeli provocation and they know that Israelis will tire themselves out like a crying toddler throwing a tantrum because they know Israelis and their tactics. 

[Ibn Tayyar]

20 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

This is still too early to tell. I'm waiting for more weeks or months. 

 

You guys keep forgetting that when the war in 2006 ended, israel violated the ceasefire like this and bombed many times until they felt good about themselves and their ego was satiated and then they stopped bombing and instead decided to violate the ceasefire 36 000 times with surveillance drones. The only reason people forget this, is because back then it wasn't televised, but Israel behaved just like this, they bombed even after the ceasefire. 

 

At the end of the day, it seems that hezb won, they forced Israel into a ceasefire because they probably knew Israel was going to sign one in Gaza. Israel wanted to succede in separating hezbollah from Gaza so that they could wipe hamas, they did not achieve this, instead the ceasefire in lebanon made them do a ceasefire in Gaza, achieving what hezb wanted. That is until now, if Israel decides to restart this war with hamas and go with their insane ethnic cleansing campaign, then there won't be a winner or loser because the war would have restarted. 

 

But as I said in the begening, it's too early to tell, especially after these insane ambitions of America on Gaza which might trigger a regional war. It could be that you're right and hezb just doesn't want to go against the partially pro us Lebanese state, or you might be wrong and they want to save their weaponry for a regional war or they just don't want to fall for Israeli provocation and they know that Israelis will tire themselves out like a crying toddler throwing a tantrum because they know Israelis and their tactics. 

Don't take the statements of Trump and his minions seriously. They know that a plan to forcibly evacuate Gazans is dead on arrival.

The true plan is to push Gaza between two choices:

1) no plans or money for rebuilding Gaza will come from the international community if Hamas remains in power, and this is obviously a cause of instability for the likes of Egypt, and this would also be a way to pressure Hamas. On top of that, there is a chance the war will continue, as Hamas relinquishing power will be the main Israeli demand in Phase 2 of the deal, in order for the ceasefire to continue onto Phase 3.

2) there will be money for rebuilding that will pour in from rich Arab States and the West if Hamas does relinquish power.

Already there is momentum against Hamas within the Arab League, and I mean specifically from Qatar and Egypt, the main mediators, to relinquish power. 

Hamas has already stated it is willing to work with the PA and other Arab States on the future of Gaza's governance.

The West & Israel, aswell as the Arabs, seek Gaza's demilitarization and dehamasification. I don't know if they will achieve this goal ultimately, but you can expect alot of concessions in the negotiations from Hamas's standpoint.

I assume Gazans, just like the Lebanese, have no appetite for the continuation of the war after the fighting has already stopped and would like to move on with their lives.

Edited February 14, 2025 by Ibn Tayyar

[mahmood8726]

16 minutes ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

Don't take the statements of Trump and his minions seriously. They know that a plan to forcibly evacuate Gazans is dead on arrival.

Its not trumps statements, its what america and israel have been planning all along. Under the Biden admin America pressured Egypt to take in Palestinians multiple times and Egypt refused, this is just America being more open about their ambitions. Trump is just an idiot who opens his mouth and says the quiet part out loud. 

But I understand, when sayed hassan nassralah a few weeks before going out of this world even mentionned that israels plan was to ethnically cleanse people from gaza into neighboring countries including jordan, Jordan laughed at him and called him insane. 

And this plan is insane and had a huge chance of failing, but you underestimate the stupidity and ego of the US government and the Israeli government. 

16 minutes ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

The true plan is to push Gaza between two choices:

1) no plans or money for rebuilding Gaza will come from the international community if Hamas remains in power, and this is obviously a cause of instability for the likes of Egypt, and this would also be a way to pressure Hamas. On top of that, there is a chance the war will continue, as Hamas relinquishing power will be the main Israeli demand in Phase 2 of the deal, in order for the ceasefire to continue onto Phase 3.

I don't remeber hamas agreeing to relinquishing their power in Gaza. Israel can demand it all they want, if they want a war, hamas will give them another quagmire if we're being objective here. 

16 minutes ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

2) there will be money for rebuilding that will pour in from rich Arab States and the West if Hamas does relinquish power.

16 minutes ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

Already there is momentum against Hamas within the Arab League, and I mean specifically from Qatar and Egypt, the main mediators, to relinquish power. 

Hamas has already stated it is willing to work with the PA and other Arab States on the future of Gaza's governance.

This was during the war, it was when China was bridging the gaps between the two, but after PA did the shameless stuff it did in the west bank, I doubt it. 

As for Arab States pouring money into Gaza or no, I am not aware of anything here, I know Egypt proposed a rebuilding plan without displacing Palestinians because they're sh**ting bricks on the thought of accepting 2 million refugees. 

16 minutes ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

The West & Israel, aswell as the Arabs, seek Gaza's demilitarization and dehamasification. I don't know if they will achieve this goal ultimately, but you can expect alot of concessions in the negotiations from Hamas's standpoint.

They won't and if they push for it and there will be a higher chance of instability within their countries from a more and more angry populace. 

16 minutes ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

I assume Gazans, just like the Lebanese, have no appetite for the continuation of the war after the fighting has already stopped and would like to move on with their lives.

Sure, but most lebanese people I've talked to are angry this ceasefire is being violated by israel like this and the Palestinians in Gaza they heard what America just said, Palestinians in Gaza will almost all rally behind hamas now after Trump opened his mouth like an idiot and said the quiet part out loud. 

 

The only ones in Lebanon that are happy with things now are some whiny liberals/diaspora on reddit and the lebanese fascist christians who were promised that hezbollah was going to be destroyed and they would have a stronger fascist army in Lebanon like decades ago. 

[Ibn Tayyar]

33 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

Its not trumps statements, its what america and israel have been planning all along. Under the Biden admin America pressured Egypt to take in Palestinians multiple times and Egypt refused, this is just America being more open about their ambitions. Trump is just an idiot who opens his mouth and says the quiet part out loud. 

But I understand, when sayed hassan nassralah a few weeks before going out of this world even mentionned that israels plan was to ethnically cleanse people from gaza into neighboring countries including jordan, Jordan laughed at him and called him insane. 

And this plan is insane and had a huge chance of failing, but you underestimate the stupidity and ego of the US government and the Israeli government. 

I don't remeber hamas agreeing to relinquishing their power in Gaza. Israel can demand it all they want, if they want a war, hamas will give them another quagmire if we're being objective here. 

This was during the war, it was when China was bridging the gaps between the two, but after PA did the shameless stuff it did in the west bank, I doubt it. 

As for Arab States pouring money into Gaza or no, I am not aware of anything here, I know Egypt proposed a rebuilding plan without displacing Palestinians because they're sh**ting bricks on the thought of accepting 2 million refugees. 

They won't and if they push for it and there will be a higher chance of instability within their countries from a more and more angry populace. 

Sure, but most lebanese people I've talked to are angry this ceasefire is being violated by israel like this and the Palestinians in Gaza they heard what America just said, Palestinians in Gaza will almost all rally behind hamas now after Trump opened his mouth like an idiot and said the quiet part out loud. 

 

The only ones in Lebanon that are happy with things now are some whiny liberals/diaspora on reddit and the lebanese fascist christians who were promised that hezbollah was going to be destroyed and they would have a stronger fascist army in Lebanon like decades ago. 

The truth is Gaza cannot be rebuilt without international aid. Hamas will have to make concessions or Gazans will live in tents surrounded by rubble for decades, if not forever. 

Gaza has no building material of its own, it has no expertise in removing unexploded ordinance, and it has no way of supplying the basic needs of people. 

The Arab States have alot of leverage on Hamas here, because only through them could aid enter Gaza.

Part of the Egyptian rebuilding plan (which is supported by other Arabs) is that Hamas has no role in Gaza's governance.

You can read about it here:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-spearheads-arab-scramble-alternative-trumps-gaza-plan-2025-02-14/

It is very likely that there will be an Arab League consensus on supporting the Egyptian proposal.

Qatar, which has alot of leverage on Hamas, also believes the PA should return to Gaza:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/21/qatar-pm-hopes-palestinian-authority-will-return-to-gaza-when-war-ends

A Hamas leader already said in the past they are ready to relinquish control to an "independent" group:

"What we are calling for is a Palestinian unity government, formed from technocrats who are not affiliated to any faction but supported from all factions … to run the situation in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank," he says.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/16/nx-s1-5077757/gaza-war-hamas-leader-basem-naim-doha-interview

The above statement is actually in line with what the Egyptians are proposing today.

Don't think for a second that we will return to the pre-October 7 world. Hamas is under pressure and will concede on many points in order to push the deal to Phase 3. 

Edited February 14, 2025 by Ibn Tayyar

[mahmood8726]

4 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

The truth is Gaza cannot be rebuilt without international aid. Hamas will have to make concessions or Gazans will live in tents surrounded by rubble for decades, if not forever. 

It can, but it will be extreemly difficult and will take a very long time, it will be hell on earth for Palestinians in Gaza. 

4 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

Gaza has no building material of its own, it has no expertise in removing unexploded ordinance, and it has no way of supplying the basic needs of people. 

That's completely false, hamas for the last 15 months has been repurpousing unexploded Israeli ordinance into rockets they fired at israeli terrorists or mines for tanks. Hamas has litterally been acknowledged to be extreemly self reliant because of the seige and this brutal war that's been imposed on it. 

As for building materials and supplies, they're forcing Israel to send in the aid, when Israel violated that deal, hamas delayed the release, Israel made empty threats that they would break the deal, then Israel conceded and accepted hamas demands. If in phase 2, your suspicions are right and Egypt decides to stop sending aid, then it will be much harder to rebuild, but it won't be impossible, people of Gaza have been shown to be extreemly resilient and self reliant. 

4 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

The Arab States have alot of leverage on Hamas here, because only through them could aid enter Gaza.

Or smuggling, but yes, mostly through them. 

4 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

Part of the Egyptian rebuilding plan (which is supported by other Arabs) is that Hamas has no role in Gaza's governance.

You can read about it here:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-spearheads-arab-scramble-alternative-trumps-gaza-plan-2025-02-14/

It is very likely that there will be an Arab League consensus on supporting the Egyptian proposal.

"All the sources declined to be identified because the issue involves international or domestic sensitivities and they were not authorised to speak in public."

"three Egyptian security sources said"

Etc... 

this is comming from an unreliable paper like reuters who has been caught making stuff up all the time, so its more cautious to wait it out and see how this pans out, as this article is at best unsubstantiated speculation.

 

but lets say that happens, lets say reuters is kind of right and something like this ever were to happen and hamas gives in the pressure:

4 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

A Hamas leader already said in the past they are ready to relinquish control to an "independent" group:

If hamas were to relinquish, it would not be to the PA, hamas will not give up to the PA, since they're not independent, they're Israeli puppets, i dont see this happening with PA, especially when that very hamas called for escalations in the west bank from resistance groups. 

If hamas were to relinquish, it will most likley be PIJ, maybe pflp, etc... some group that will be elected by the people in Gaza that is aligned with the factions mentionned above that isn't PA.

Giving up to the PA is giving up to Israel, unless the PA shows good will and that they won't somehow be Israeli puppets in gaza, hamas will fight to the death.

 

As for Qatar, they can wish what they want, unless they want hamas to be fully backed by iran? 

Edited February 14, 2025 by mahmood8726

[Panzerwaffe]

On 1/5/2025 at 7:54 AM, AbdusSibtayn said:

He's just a shrewd munafiq and none of those things. 

He was just one of the many Frankenstein monsters created by the Pak army and the ISI who got dumped by his sponsors. He was never anti-Western because like many other third-world kleptocrats, he had to rely on IMF/WB doles to keep the economy running (an occasional blackmail here or there doesn't matter, and anyone who evaluates him based on his PR and not on his real under-the-table actions needs to log off the internet till he can do better). He enabled the TTP so long as they were obedient hitmen (they later turned on him when they were offered a larger sack of money, as all hitmen do). Anyone thinking or preaching that he was pro-Iran in any sense of the term has lesser credibility than the joker in the deck of cards;the clampdown on the Iran-affiliated clerics was the highest in his tenure, and he looked the other way as al-Qaeda/Jundullah/Jaish al-Adl/TTP routinely mauled Iran from across the border ignoring incessant remonstrations from Tehran (no, those smiley faces handshake photo ops don't count either). Claiming that he was anti-Saudi/Gulf is also laughable- Pakistani army continued to be the Saudi-sponsored IMCTCS's dirty works doer under him, and Raheel Shareef continued to butcher the Bahraini and Yemeni Shia with his full blessings. He was to rubber stamp all the Gringo-Nasibi projects in the regions and beyond and they'd give him enough to lead his notoriously debauched Don Juan/ Casanova lifestyle. 

 

Then around 2020-21 he realized that he is the proverbial emperor without clothes, not the king in the castle which he thought himself to be, but the clown in the circus that he really was. He tried to turn to the other bully in the schoolyard (CPEC, BRI etc were hot topics in local politics back then) but then they grabbed him by the scruff and shunted him in the puppy crate where he's whining and whimpering to this day. 

As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I still pray that he lives long enough to see and suffer all the consequences of his misdeeds. 

Imran is the personification of the hypocrisy of the Pakistani upper classes and something the burger wannabe middle classes aspire to 

[Guest Mustafa Mujahid]

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[AbdusSibtayn]

16 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Imran is the personification of the hypocrisy of the Pakistani upper classes and something the burger wannabe middle classes aspire to 

Exactly the representation of what the burger upper middle class would do if given power. 

Although in his case it is his personal vileness combined with his class character which makes things worse. 

[Haji 2003]

If the Resistance has failed why are these questions being asked?

My bold below.

As a result of this conflict, American proxies (Egypt, Jordan etc.) are going to have to make up their minds about whose side they are on (their peoples' or the American).

Not a bad result for the Resistance for this fracture to be opened up.

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Beyond the existential, though, here is what Arab leaders should learn from Trump giving them orders about their territories and people: the price of their US-stabilised status quo is now so high that it makes less and less sense on a practical basis. To submit to Trump would be to accept full vassal status and summon new domestic challenges, and all for an unreliable benefactor. To defy him would entail a full-blown reconfiguration of politics in the region that might seem too colossal to contemplate. Arab political elites find themselves in this mortifying position because of their historic feebleness on Palestine: it is a concentrated expression of their own weakness, capture and shortsighted self-interest. The future of Gaza is no longer an issue that can be finessed while saving face indefinitely. Trump’s plan is a gateway to the final erosion of the integrity and sovereignty of the wider Middle East.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/17/gaza-donald-trump-arab-states-middle-east

[Abu Nur]

It is not failed, but not yet strong enough. Also everyone outside of Islam will betray it, specially Russia and China. This means that we need to develop our own power and support fully our own Muslim allies, not those who side with tyrants for sake of their power and national interest.

[Northwest]

On 2/17/2025 at 11:00 PM, Haji 2003 said:

If the Resistance has failed why are these questions being asked?

My bold below.

As a result of this conflict, American proxies (Egypt, Jordan etc.) are going to have to make up their minds about whose side they are on (their peoples' or the American).

Not a bad result for the Resistance for this fracture to be opened up.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/17/gaza-donald-trump-arab-states-middle-east

@Haji 2003 Historically haven’t class-based considerations compelled the Sunni Arab elites to side with the Zionists and their foreign patrons? After all, the anti-Zionist movement in Mandatory Palestine was spearheaded by the peasantry and Bedouin. These subaltern classes posed a threat to the Sunni landowners, who often sold land to the Zionists in exchange for foreign investment. Both the Sunni landowners and Zionist capitalists would have felt threatened by the Arab masses, lending primacy to class and economic interests over religious ones. Even today most well-off Sunni elites regard the Palestinian masses as lower-class irritants who stand in the way of pragmatic, economic concerns, which favour integration with Zionism and global capitalism generally.

Edited February 20, 2025 by Northwest

[Ibn Tayyar]

On 2/15/2025 at 4:52 AM, mahmood8726 said:

It can, but it will be extreemly difficult and will take a very long time, it will be hell on earth for Palestinians in Gaza. 

That's completely false, hamas for the last 15 months has been repurpousing unexploded Israeli ordinance into rockets they fired at israeli terrorists or mines for tanks. Hamas has litterally been acknowledged to be extreemly self reliant because of the seige and this brutal war that's been imposed on it. 

I don't know how serious this point is. Having the ability to repurpose unexploded ordinance does not mean you have the ability to clear thousands of unexploded ordinance dug deep in the ground under rubble and completely destroyed camps. There are hundreds of thousands of civilians at risk of stepping over things they don't know when they return to their homes. Curious kids, senior citzens and women - and probably most men - won't know what to look for or how to avoid not blowing up. You are Lebanese, you know that even decades after war there is still risk of unexploded ordinance lying around. Even in countries that are supposed safe such as Europe, there are still fears about places with mines from WW2. I can't believe you brushed this aside based on Hamas being able to repurpose bombs. This isn't a military capability issue alone, this is a civil engineering issue aseell. How can you clear rubble safely - to rebuild Gaza - with unexploded ordinance lying around? You need specialised construction and international support for sure.

On 2/15/2025 at 4:52 AM, mahmood8726 said:

."All the sources declined to be identified because the issue involves international or domestic sensitivities and they were not authorised to speak in public."

"three Egyptian security sources said"

Etc... 

this is comming from an unreliable paper like reuters who has been caught making stuff up all the time, so its more cautious to wait it out and see how this pans out, as this article is at best unsubstantiated speculation.

 

but lets say that happens, lets say reuters is kind of right and something like this ever were to happen and hamas gives in the pressure:

If hamas were to relinquish, it would not be to the PA, hamas will not give up to the PA, since they're not independent, they're Israeli puppets, i dont see this happening with PA, especially when that very hamas called for escalations in the west bank from resistance groups. 

If hamas were to relinquish, it will most likley be PIJ, maybe pflp, etc... some group that will be elected by the people in Gaza that is aligned with the factions mentionned above that isn't PA.

Giving up to the PA is giving up to Israel, unless the PA shows good will and that they won't somehow be Israeli puppets in gaza, hamas will fight to the death.

 

As for Qatar, they can wish what they want, unless they want hamas to be fully backed by iran? 

Here you go:

https://www.newarab.com/news/hamas-says-ready-relinquish-power-gaza-conditions

[mahmood8726]

6 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

I don't know how serious this point is. Having the ability to repurpose unexploded ordinance does not mean you have the ability to clear thousands of unexploded ordinance dug deep in the ground under rubble and completely destroyed camps. There are hundreds of thousands of civilians at risk of stepping over things they don't know when they return to their homes. Curious kids, senior citzens and women - and probably most men - won't know what to look for or how to avoid not blowing up. You are Lebanese, you know that even decades after war there is still risk of unexploded ordinance lying around. Even in countries that are supposed safe such as Europe, there are still fears about places with mines from WW2. I can't believe you brushed this aside based on Hamas being able to repurpose bombs. This isn't a military capability issue alone, this is a civil engineering issue aseell. How can you clear rubble safely - to rebuild Gaza - with unexploded ordinance lying around? You need specialised construction and international support for sure.

You will need international support if you want to do it without life in Gaza being hell on earth, but at this point it seems like Palestinians in Gaza have gotten used to that kind of brutal life in Gaza. This is what's sad about this entire thing. 

 

Im going to be honest with you, the unexploded ordance blows up from time to time, but theyre a rare occasion. after decades? No, unlike europe, most of the bombs in our area have been cleared up, israel was not going with B-32 bombers dropping thousands of bombs in 10 seconds. I walk a lot in my town too and never stepped on one, my grandfather had the shell of an israeli bomb as souvenir, but thats about it. 

 

Now gaza was bombed more than some ww2 cities, but given these are modern bombs and their rate of failiure is lower, they will have less unexploded ordanance than if they were ww2 bombs. Either way, you make a point that it will be very difficult without external help. 

6 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

Here you go:

https://www.newarab.com/news/hamas-says-ready-relinquish-power-gaza-conditions

If that "well-informed" source is to be beleived, then it confirms what I told you, no? 

"Hamas insists that these approximately 40,000 employees, who form the backbone of Gaza's governmental institutions, including healthcare, education, and security, be integrated into the new administration's structure without discrimination."

 

They want their employees to still be in place.

 

That article also confirms that hamas is willing to relinquish power, but as I said, under their conditions:

"While the PA demands complete control over Gaza's security apparatus, Hamas firmly rejects any move that could lead to the dismantling of its military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades.

 

Hamas's spokesperson, al-Qanoua, further clarified that Hamas is open to cooperating with a new government regarding civilian and administrative affairs, but will not permit any interference in resistance activities.

 

"The resistance's weapons are not up for negotiation. We are willing to work within a framework that ensures internal stability while respecting the sacrifices of our people," al-Qanoua said. 

 

Al-Qanoua stressed that Hamas remains committed to facilitating any efforts aimed at achieving Palestinian reconciliation but insists on safeguarding the principles of resistance. "

 

""Any attempt to undermine the weapons of the resistance, the Al-Qassam Brigades, or other military wings is a red line that cannot be crossed," he asserted."

 

 

 

So if basically we were to beleive this secret source to new Arab, hamas will accept PA, on the condition that their weapons and their freedom to resist as they can now is guaranteed. 

On 2/14/2025 at 12:52 PM, mahmood8726 said:

Giving up to the PA is giving up to Israel, unless the PA shows good will and that they won't somehow be Israeli puppets in gaza, hamas will fight to the death.

Which is what i said here kind of. The "good will" being that PA allows hamas to keep their weapons and stays out of their business. I have suspicions PA won't accept this since they're shameless pigs, so i have a feeling hamas won't accept this deal. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 2/26/2025 at 1:54 PM, Ibn Tayyar said:

How can you clear rubble safely - to rebuild Gaza - with unexploded ordinance lying around? You need specialised construction

Salam all safe constructions in occupied Palestine for so called settlers by Palestinian experts & workers .

On 2/26/2025 at 1:54 PM, Ibn Tayyar said:

international support for sure.

They just need stopping so called poisonous Internation Support (intervention) by supporters of America & zionists likewise KSA & UAE & Qatar & etc

[Ibn Tayyar]

@mahmood8726 Check the latest announcement letter to the Arab League by Hamas, where they said would support a new Palestinian rule in Gaza, whether it be by technocrats or something else (what Egypt is proposing). 

As far as weapons goes, we will see how the negotiations continue. The above is already a Hamas concession from its pre-October 7 position, where it (and its allies) ruled Gaza alone. There have been many "redlines" which have turned out to be empty lines, we will see if this one holds.

All in all, this war is turning out to be useless, with more losses than wins for Hamas and its allies, and a complete disaster for the lives of the Palestinians. And I believe as the negotiations continue, this weak situation & position will become clearer and clearer.

Edited March 1, 2025 by Ibn Tayyar

[mahmood8726]

18 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

@mahmood8726 Check the latest announcement letter to the Arab League by Hamas, where they said would support a new Palestinian rule in Gaza, whether it be by technocrats or something else (what Egypt is proposing). 

Yes, but with their own guarantees, as we talked about this above.  There is a reason why israel is refusing to go to the second phase and hamas is willing. Israel now has blocked off Gaza because hamas is refusing to extend the first phase.

18 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

As far as weapons goes, we will see how the negotiations continue. The above is already a Hamas concession from its pre-October 7 position, where it (and its allies) ruled Gaza alone. There have been many "redlines" which have turned out to be empty lines, we will see if this one holds.

Hamas barely changed its concessions, everyone expected that hamas was going to be 90% crushed and Gaza would return to pre 2005 status with israeli settlements like the west bank. This is by no means a loss, especially when this isn't over yet, you keep making the mistake of judging too early.  Until now it's israel that made a lot of concessions, they didn't dismantle hamas, they even accepted for a full withdrawal from Gaza when they wanted to ethnically cleanse the north and have the netzarim Corridor and Philadelphi Corridor. There is no telling for certain what might happen.

18 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

All in all, this war is turning out to be useless, with more losses than wins for Hamas and its allies, and a complete disaster for the lives of the Palestinians. And I believe as the negotiations continue, this weak situation & position will become clearer and clearer.

Too early to make such a conclusion given israel just ordered the closure of Gaza and is mobilizing 400k more reserves as a regional war might erupt. This is like some Russian guy in the middle of the nazi invasion of stalingrad saying they lost and it was a disaster because they lost 20 million(yes I know theyre not the same), this is how revolutionary wars are, you're going to lose a lot of men. You keep judging too early and it leads to these kind of conclusions. Now the war might restart which will render all our discussions here useless as we will be back to square 1. 

 

The reality is none of us here knows what exactly will happen, even my assessment that Israel isn't reaching all their objectives might be wrong in a year. This will last many months or years for sure, so making the conclusion that they already lost because it looks bleak isn't a wise idea, I assume you mistakenly thought that Israel would not accept a ceasefire and would crush hamas because "hezb abanadonned gaza" thats probably why you must have brought this subject up many times claiming israel "won" in that objective of seperating hamas and hezb in order to prevent a ceasefire in gaza and allow israel to acheive 100% of their goals, turned out that conclusion was wrong. 

Edited March 2, 2025 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

Now the intresting question is:

Will Israel bite more than it can chew with this growing arrogance empowered by the American government? 

 

 

[Ibn Tayyar]

@mahmood8726 Netanyahu's threats against the ceasefire are clearly a pressure move. He wants more concessions and is telling Hamas "we have full American backing, who will stop us?".

This is why you have seen the publicised announcements of a massive amount of arms heading Israel's way from the US. Whatever checks existed before, they don't now.

On the other hand, have a read through this;

https://www.newarab.com/news/egypts-plan-counter-trumps-gaza-riviera-sideline-hamas

Apparently this will be the Egyptian plan submitted to the Arab League tomorrow. It mentions some sort of multi Arab and non Arab governance of Gaza that may lay the groundworks for reconstruction and perhaps even take control of security. If there is an Arab consensus on this proposal - as in all the Arab States vote for it - this will also be another pressure move against Hamas. 

One thing is for sure to me, Hamas will exist in a different way than before if this ceasefire holds across all stages.

Also I never said that Israel would win through brute force alone. 

Whether Israel ultimately wins depends on what the status of Hamas is following this ceasefire deal. If Hamas is sidelined completely (including in security of Gaza), then even you will say that this war has been a failure.

Edited March 3, 2025 by Ibn Tayyar

[Ashvazdanghe]

16 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

Apparently this will be the Egyptian plan submitted to the Arab League tomorrow. It mentions some sort of multi Arab and non Arab governance of Gaza that may lay the groundworks for reconstruction and perhaps even take control of security. If there is an Arab consensus on this proposal - as in all the Arab States vote for it - this will also be another pressure move against Hamas. 

Salam this is really Zionist Israel plan which egypts just it's puppet in  the Arab League which rest of so called the Arab League are looking for a new opportunity for re initializing normalization with zionist israel under guise of so called the Egyptian plan.

[Lion of Shia]

With Israel taking over Southern Syria is this a start of their plan for Greater Israel?

[Eddie Mecca]

Who Won In Gaza? Richard Medhurst - approximately 9 minutes 20 seconds - Streamed 1 day ago