Syrian civil war is reignited.

[OrthodoxTruth]

3 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Hisbullah knows very well the movements and plots of Lebanese who want him death, but as for outsiders it is very high possible that they told his location. People started to say it must be an Iranian but that doesn't make any sense. It must be either Hamas or Syria. What we recently found is that Assad did have close relationships with gulf and Israel.

Israel penetrated Hezbollah at so many levels, that’s why it was able to decimate it fairly quickly with so much precision. Israel knew where all mid and high ranking members were at any given point. It was an intelligence failure on the part of Hezbollah. It’s not the first time as well, many members were killed before in assassinations. The same goes for Hamas and Iran. Israel humiliated Iran on dozens of occasions, operating freely within its borders, including Tehran. Never heard of Iran assassinating Israeli nuclear scientists in Tel Aviv. 

[pisceswolf96]

50 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Hafiz Assad did crush the Sunni revolt in Hama in 1982 so let’s not forget that.

No brother we should forget that, because the Baath party of Syria did not kill any Iranians, unlike that filthy Baath party of Iraq.
It's insane that the Islamic republic went to war with a socialist and secular regime for 8 years, but propped up a similar one in Syria for 13+ years.

[mahmood8726]

1 hour ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Hafiz Assad did crush the Sunni revolt in Hama in 1982 so let’s not forget that 

also he kept Lebanon in a turmoil for a while in 80s drawing in IDF and distracting it 

he was also a rather committed Soviet ally given nobody else was in the 80s 

ofcourse he was an opportunist but then who isn’t esp in the Middle East power politics 

Hafez assad was a tyrant, litterally, he was 1000x worse than bashar al assad.

Hafez was israel but less brutal in the killings and inappropriate touching of women, etc...

Israel and christian fascists were the few who were worse than hafez, so it says a lot.

 

Despite all this, in 1982, he crushed it because the muslim Brotherhood attacked before.

Edited December 10, 2024 by mahmood8726

[AbdusSibtayn]

10 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

This is from a pro-rebel account, so I don't know how true it is but sensational nonetheless. 

I now feel that the rebels are deliberately circulating misinformation to deflect from their own collaboration with the Israelis. 

What @Revert1963 was saying is true- if he was conspiring with the Zionists, he would flee to somewhere in America, not Russia. 

[Abu_Zahra]

Reminder: the site rules are applicable to all threads including this one. Inappropriate posts will be removed and warnings will be issued in case of violations.

[Eddie Mecca]

17 hours ago, Meedy said:

Israel is destroying Syria' military capabilities. Basically will have no chance of fighting

So Israel is bombing the big artillery/machery like naval ships, military planes, tanks etc. in case HTS go completely rougue and get funny ideas about storming the Jewish homeland? Then how does Netanyahu plan on using them as deterrence against Iran, Hezbollah etc.? I'm guessing arm them but only arm them within reason...supply with them grenades and AK-47 rifles etc.? But that's not enough to neutralize Iran...maybe they'll be able to fight Hezb to a Mexican standoff...and that's a big maybe 

Edited December 11, 2024 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

Sufyani rule in Syria is described as a caliphate...not a monarchy, not a democracy etc. but a caliphate rule...the specific term caliphate is used in ahadith...Syria hasn't been governed by a caliphate since Ottoman dissolvement in 1924...something to consider 

[guest 2025]

On 12/9/2024 at 8:03 AM, AbdusSibtayn said:

And why not? The idea that it has to be someone from contemporary Iran proper (when Iran occupies a relatively small portion of the historic Khurasaan) is based on extremely contemporary impressionistic probabilistic reasoning. 

For example, I could dispute the identification with this question- Why can't it be Ayatollah Sistani (ha) or one of his sons in Iraq? His family is from Khurasan as well. Why does it have to be someone in Iran? 

Boundaries and demographics keep shifting all the time. At the time in which these narrations are set, there were simply not that many Shi'a in Iran proper. Twelver Shiism was still a very Arab thing with the majority of Shi'a being concentrated in the Hijaz and Kufa.

There were (and still are) historically -established large Shi'a communities in the 'Sunni' areas- the Shi'a Turkmen, Tajiks, Hazaras, Azeris. Allama Kashshi (Rahimahullah) (the author of the book Rijal al-Kashshi) was from Kashsh or Kesh which is near Samarqand in modern Uzbekistan. 

So what is 'obvious' to us is often based on very transient realities which can change the very next decade or century. Back in Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) or Imam Kadhim (عليه السلام) 's times if you would have asked one of their students where they thought the Khurasani would be from, they'd not be too sure about locating him in the part of Khurasan in today's Iran proper, simply because there were hardly any Shi'a there back then, and even if there were they were the wrong kind (Zaydis in Damavand and Tabaristan, who didn't even acknowledge the 12th Imam, let alone a Khurasani or a Sufyani). 

All I want to say is that speculation is of little benefit and often dangerous, because people's belief gets shaken when things don't turn out the way they'd anticipated. Shaykh Bahjat (rh) said the very same thing to a scholar whom I look upon as my own Shaykh, who was a student in Qom back then and had asked him about these end time prophesies when the Intifada Sha'baniyya had happened- 'don't speculate about the reports on Aakhir uz-Zaman based on current situations. The speculations may or may not be true, and if they aren't, the harm is more than the benefit'. 

 

No you're totally right. And yeah I shouldn't be speculating and calling things like that. 

I said that because it feels like we are in the end of times due to how crazy things are in unprecedented ways. And some end of times signs have taken place. So when I look to who could be who based on what is there, it seems like Iran is most likely to be Khorasani due to it having a Shia army and a national mission objective that is aligned with Imam Mahdi (عليه السلام). It's hard to imagine them not doing anything when the signs occur. As we know, the Khorasani + Yamani will push back the Sufyani, how can a random guy from Tajikistan pull that off? And why would Iran sit out? 

But I see what you mean. Maybe Iran as we know it will cease to exist in 230 years, and a new Shia force will emerge from Afghanistan.

I think a better attitude to have is to cautiously observe instead of predict. That is very good advice from Sheikh Bahjat (رضي الله عنه), thank you for sharing it. It has not fallen on deaf ears. I should say MAYBE this is the Suffyani, PERHAPS Iran could be Khorasani, all while keeping in mind that something unexpected could happen. Allah has manifested the most unpredictable things- like who could have known Prophet David would slay Goliath?

[Diaz]

15 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Sufyani rule in Syria is described as a caliphate...not a monarchy, not a democracy etc. but a caliphate rule...the specific term caliphate is used in ahadith...Syria hasn't been governed by a caliphate since Ottoman dissolvement in 1924...something to consider 

My aunt said trump is the sufyani 

[Eddie Mecca]

6 minutes ago, Diaz said:

My aunt said trump is the sufyani

Trump is a hooligan clown...he's a financial oligarch trying to curtail Washington insider influence...some of his domestic policies are quite good actually...he has the FBI and Pentagon concerned  ...I'm digressing though...HTS/al Joulani might be the Sufyani...or the precursor to the Sufyani...or the precursor's precursor...or none of the above...time will tell akhi

Edited December 11, 2024 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

19 hours ago, Meedy said:

Whilst the morons are celebrating the fall of asad etc. Israel is bombing them & taking their land. Do they really think those in charge now will fight against Israel? Do they think Turkey will help them against Israel?

Why are Palestinians happy ? Lol this is horrible news for them. They think they are going to be freed next...

If it wasn't for Holy Shrines, Shia & other minority of good people in Syria. I would have said lets us the enjoy watching how they their democracy works out.

1.) Pray for innocent Syrians (especially minorities like Alawites, Druze, Armenians and Assyrians)

2.) The Ummah ain't too bright...they keep getting duped over and over and over again...the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

3.) Richard Medhurst nailed it when he questioned the authenticity of the Syrian victory...he mentioned that while people were celebrating in Damascus...Netanyahu was in the Golan Heights walking around freely...smiling from ear to ear and claiming the success/triumph for himself...the chameleon Erdogan is playing the role of caliph/sultan...new media darling/sensation Abu Mohammad al-Julani is playacting the part of grand vizier...this is Sunni romanticism...in reality they're warlords for NATO...they want to extract oil from land and sea...they're trying to disrupt New Silk Road Iniative...they're trying desperately to block BRICS...they need a presence there for supernatural and occult purposes as well...I believe it was Hillary Clinton that said she wanted a caliphate wedged in-between Iran and Israel as a buffer...Jake Sullivan said, "we have al-Qaeda on our side in Syria"...expect Bilad al Sham region to be broken down into smaller sheikhdoms...expect fracticious bickering and hairspitting and infighting and splintering because that's what Salafis do...anticipate the indigenous Levantine inhabitants not to see or receive one ounce of residual revenue from newly found subterranean assets 

Edited December 11, 2024 by Eddie Mecca

[AbdusSibtayn]

Hmm.. We all know who is going to 'invest' in Syria now... Jewish banking firms... American oil corporations and military tech firms... Maybe a few Chinese debt-financed roads and other infrastructure here and there. 

Government spending will take massive cuts- more austerity, lesser money for infrastructure, healthcare, education etc, a major chunk of  government and public sector undertakings employees going to be unemployed soon. More poverty and destitution. 

Enjoy your caliphate, Sunni Syrians!! 

Edited December 11, 2024 by AbdusSibtayn

[AbdusSibtayn]

Cry.... you dolt... CRYYYYYYY!!! CRY SOME MORE!!! CRY ME A RIVER!!! 

You asked for it. Live with your fantasy. Get used to being a good goy for your new Zionazi colonial rulers, or a good subject to your neo-Ottoman sultanate and your second class üntermensch status there; I'm sure the Turks are going to treat you as well as they treated your kebab and shawarma selling refugee bros in their country. 

[Irfani313]

How much do you agree with IRI’s Ay. Khamenie expectations of the Syrian youth resisting the Turkish and Israeli occupation?

I could be wrong but Sunnis don’t have the religious capital to mount any revolution without converting to wahabiya and being the foot soldiers of the imperialist, be them Muslims or non-Muslims? Show me one Sunni revolution for the right causes in last 1000 years. 

[Guest Guest]

 

I could be way off on this. But does anyone else think his response or body language seems off? What does "Secured" mean? This message is very telling. 

My Interpretation: There was a coup or Coup Attempt? 

[Diaz]

Did anyone see the videos of the rebels entering the shrine of lady zainab? 

[Abu Nur]

10 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Did anyone see the videos of the rebels entering the shrine of lady zainab? 

They really act like animals.

[Diaz]

1 minute ago, Abu Nur said:

They really act like animals.

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) curse these creatures who are worst than animals.

[StrangerInThisWorld]

It's not like Bashar al-Assad didn't deserve to be overthrown, it's only that it shouldn't have happened in this manner. 

Anyone who has lived in a country where one family / one party controls everything and where this family / party is first and foremost interested in enriching themselves with no regards for the people, will be able to tell you how bad and oppressive such a system is. 

At the same time such a system will never attain true strength and that's why it's wrong to be allied with such a system even if one hopes for a short-term advantage against an enemy. 

At the end these type of systems are actually easy to topple, because they have no people who stand with conviction behind them. We have seen this in several countries in the region already. 

[Abu Hadi]

If you want to know whether this Salafist government is going to bring 'Freedom and Democracy' to Syria, here is a few things to check next year at this time, Dec 12, 2025.

1. Has there been an official government census done and is the data from that census released and open to public scrutiny. You can't have representative government without a census. Even the Romans knew that

2. Has there been elections held that were monitored by outside third parties and certified as free and fair. What was the result of those elections. For example, do the minority groups in Syria (Shia, Christian, Druze, etc) have representation in Government in proportion to their population in Syria ? 

3. How Much of Syria is occupied by Israel ? More than on 12/01/2024 or less or the same

You can look at those three things next year and this will tell you if that statement about 'Freedom and Democracy' is true or false. 

My guess is no census, no elections, and more of Syria is occupied by Israel. I hope I'm wrong but that is my guess. 

Edited December 11, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[Guest Guest]

36 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

If you want to know whether this Salafist government is going to bring 'Freedom and Democracy' to Syria, here is a few things to check next year at this time, Dec 12, 2025.

1. Has there been an official government census done and is the data from that census released and open to public scrutiny. You can't have representative government without a census. Even the Romans knew that

2. Has there been elections held that were monitored by outside third parties and certified as free and fair. What was the result of those elections. For example, do the minority groups in Syria (Shia, Christian, Druze, etc) have representation in Government in proportion to their population in Syria ? 

3. How Much of Syria is occupied by Israel ? More than on 12/01/2024 or less or the same

You can look at those three things next year and this will tell you if that statement about 'Freedom and Democracy' is true or false. 

My guess is no census, no elections, and more of Syria is occupied by Israel. I hope I'm wrong but that is my guess. 

It is interesting you bring up Israel. 
 

Is it possible that all of this was intentionally done? 

The sudden withdrawal of the Army.
Army Vanishing. 

Technically the Army is still there. They just were told to leave. It's not like they were all killed or captured etc. 

Maybe this is like the Lebanon Strategy. 

Default and Go into the Mountains. Regroup and Reorganize, Lure them all in etc. 

Also, if all the rumors of Assad are true, wouldn't him gone and chaos be to their favor? With Assad there were restrictions and rules to be followed. Without him, it's lawless and easier in a sense? 

Or am I way way off on this lol. 
 

[mahmood8726]

4 hours ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

It's not like Bashar al-Assad didn't deserve to be overthrown, it's only that it shouldn't have happened in this manner. 

Anyone who has lived in a country where one family / one party controls everything and where this family / party is first and foremost interested in enriching themselves with no regards for the people, will be able to tell you how bad and oppressive such a system is. 

At the same time such a system will never attain true strength and that's why it's wrong to be allied with such a system even if one hopes for a short-term advantage against an enemy. 

At the end these type of systems are actually easy to topple, because they have no people who stand with conviction behind them. We have seen this in several countries in the region already. 

Syria is special because most of the population was either neutral or pro assad, only a minority, I would say 20% supported these extreemist al quaeda types. I talked to many Syrians on this, they were all scared and panicking when these terrorists launched their mongol horde invasion of Syria from idlib and turkey and then terrorist sympathisers started a revolt in daraa near the Israeli and Jordanian border. This wasn't a popular uprising, despite people fallaciously showing showing crowds cheering as if it's proof HTS terrorists are popular.

 

In this instance it was an invasion of Syria, not a popular revolt and the reason why Syria was difficult to topple for a decade and half was because most Syrians hate these extreemist types wether they're neutral or pro Bashar, most Syrians wanted to see change in Syria and a more free syria with less abuse, but most did not support these forgein sponsored thugs who hijacked the movement to replace Syria with a new dictator that is a puppet of America. 

 

Unfortunatley because Bashar was a fool who didn't listen to Iran or allies, because he brown nosed gulf state dictatorships, because he replaced all his battle hardened soldiers with smugglers, mercs and drug dealers, because he did not control the oil feilds, because of covid, earthquake and the Cesar sanctions, his country crumbled at the first sign of this foreign invasion and Bashar betrayed his own country by giving it up willingly to al quaeda 2.0.

 

That's why they allied with such a system, because the opposite is litterally al quaeda 2.0 which were witnessing now or lybia 2.0 which is a possibility or Israel occupying large swaths of Syria which is also ongoing, all of these alternatives are nightmarish compared to Bashar. 

This should be a lesson to never trust America, turkey, Israel or the West in general when it comes to these regime change operations, there is always a catch when they come as this helper. Revolutions should be done organic with an actual goal, otherwise you get whatever the hell this is that were witnessing unfolding in Syria. 

Edited December 12, 2024 by mahmood8726

[Azadeh307]

I found this Sunni hadith on the Sufyani coming from Damascus and mentioned it in a local sisters group chat and added that it corroborates with  Shia hadith from Jaffar al Sadiq AS. I also said that the deposed Syrian leader could be ruled out as Sufyani and that we could hold space to be both happy for Syrians getting their freedom and scared for what is to come. 
 

Someone said the Sunni hadith was a weak hadith but the Sunni scholar, Dr. Shadee explained why it was a Hasan hadith and not weak. So I shared Dr. Shadee’s rationale in the chat. It was my mistake in the first place to mention the hadith but as a layperson I learn in conversations and I don’t know the boundaries. For example, would a Salafi get mad if I shared a Hasan Sunni hadith or not? Are there some sort of unspoken rules I should know? 
 

Long story short 5% of the group left. Before they left they said they didn’t think the group would be about religion even though they posted so much ibn taymiyyah content I had to say something about the existence of various Sunni and Shia schools of aqeedah (because some of the moderate Sunnis were leaving. I am the moderator for the group and formed it about 2 years ago. Experiences like this make me want to pull back from community building activities and focus more on my family and business. I wish there were some Shia sisters in my orbit. Insha’Allah. 

It was a rough moment in time but I am over it now Alhamdulillah 
 

Edited December 12, 2024 by Azadeh307

[Eddie Mecca]

The Syrian Revolution  Was A Lie - Richard Medhurst - 13 minutes - Streamed 3 hours 

 

[StrangerInThisWorld]

5 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

Syria is special because most of the population was either neutral or pro assad, only a minority, I would say 20% supported these extreemist al quaeda types. I talked to many Syrians on this, they were all scared and panicking when these terrorists launched their mongol horde invasion of Syria from idlib and turkey and then terrorist sympathisers started a revolt in daraa near the Israeli and Jordanian border. This wasn't a popular uprising, despite people fallaciously showing showing crowds cheering as if it's proof HTS terrorists are popular.

 

In this instance it was an invasion of Syria, not a popular revolt and the reason why Syria was difficult to topple for a decade and half was because most Syrians hate these extreemist types wether they're neutral or pro Bashar, most Syrians wanted to see change in Syria and a more free syria with less abuse, but most did not support these forgein sponsored thugs who hijacked the movement to replace Syria with a new dictator that is a puppet of America. 

 

Unfortunatley because Bashar was a fool who didn't listen to Iran or allies, because he brown nosed gulf state dictatorships, because he replaced all his battle hardened soldiers with smugglers, mercs and drug dealers, because he did not control the oil feilds, because of covid, earthquake and the Cesar sanctions, his country crumbled at the first sign of this foreign invasion and Bashar betrayed his own country by giving it up willingly to al quaeda 2.0.

 

That's why they allied with such a system, because the opposite is litterally al quaeda 2.0 which were witnessing now or lybia 2.0 which is a possibility or Israel occupying large swaths of Syria which is also ongoing, all of these alternatives are nightmarish compared to Bashar. 

This should be a lesson to never trust America, turkey, Israel or the West in general when it comes to these regime change operations, there is always a catch when they come as this helper. Revolutions should be done organic with an actual goal, otherwise you get whatever the hell this is that were witnessing unfolding in Syria. 

That's why I stated that the manner it was done was wrong. Or one could say that the people who have done it are simply not much better. 

I obviously agree with your point that a revolution should have a clear goal and not be lead by all kinds of intelligence agencies.

That being said, these type of systems / governments are usually not supported by anyone out of real conviction. I'm speaking from personal experience here. The people who support such a a system are usually those, who are either member of the family (or close to them at least) or member of the political party in question (or again: close to them) and therefore getting some sort of benefit or people not living in the country. 

As for Syria being difficult to topple: Not really, because Assad would have fallen long ago, if he didn't get help from other countries. And even those other countries didn't help him, because they thought he was a great guy, but simply because they knew that the revolution was in fact lead by intelligence agencies of Western countries.

[313_Waiter]

 

13 years old lecture

[mahmood8726]

3 hours ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

As for Syria being difficult to topple: Not really, because Assad would have fallen long ago, if he didn't get help from other countries. And even those other countries didn't help him, because they thought he was a great guy, but simply because they knew that the revolution was in fact lead by intelligence agencies of Western countries.

There is that aspect yes, but the population would have overthrown him way too easily had they supported majoritarly the opposition. You'd be suprised, Syria held out against the "rebels" from 2012-2015 rather pretty decently before any Russian intervention. 

But you're right, most people did not think he was a good guy, as a matter of fact, most pro Bashar guys didn't think he was 100% a good guy either and almost all beleived his father was a ruthless tyrant (which he was, hafez was brutal).

Edited December 12, 2024 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

I forgot to mention one crucial thing here:

 

Noitice how all the journalists who were accused of being "assadists" or "being paid by assadist money", all still have their opinions, proving these accusations wrong? As a matter of fact, most of them are even calling Bashar a traitor. It's like they always genuenly beleived in this stuff and were not being disingenious paid shills .

 

These people/news outlets include: Max Blumenthal, Aaron mate, Syrian partisan girl, Richard medhurst, kevork amassian, eva Bartlett,Vanessa beeley, the cradle, etc...

Ironically these accusations come from either actual paid shills from western media or liberals/takfiris who love cognitive dissonance.

Edited December 12, 2024 by mahmood8726

[Haji 2003]

Craig Murray admits to having been taken in by various Sunni influencers/media

 

[Diaz]

6 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

These people/news outlets include: Max Blumenthal, Aaron mate, Syrian partisan girl, Richard medhurst, kevork amassian, eva Bartlett,Vanessa beeley, the cradle, etc...

Did hadi nasrallah say anything? He never allowed anyone criticize Bashar. Checked his Instagram, he deleted everything.

[mahmood8726]

3 hours ago, Diaz said:

Did hadi nasrallah say anything? He never allowed anyone criticize Bashar. Checked his Instagram, he deleted everything.

He's still posting on Twitter. He never allowed anyone to criticize Bashar? 

Never followed people on Instagram so I don't know, guess he realized he was wrong about bashar and did the decent thing of deleting it all. 

[Diaz]

4 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

He's still posting on Twitter. He never allowed anyone to criticize Bashar? 

Never followed people on Instagram so I don't know, guess he realized he was wrong about bashar and did the decent thing of deleting it all. 

He was very sensitive when someone criticize bashar, from the way how he praises bashar, I use to think he is not Lebanese  He is sweet tho, I saw him once in his town when I wanted to visit my friend. 

[Diaz]

So do you guys think Syria is officially domed? 

[realizm]

 

21 minutes ago, Diaz said:

So do you guys think Syria is officially domed? 

It is in the hands of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). That is the only thing I could say as of now. We have been through so much recently, and the future does not look bright, I recommend patience. 

If time for zuhur of Imam Mahdi (aj) id close then we may be relieved soon. If not, we will need steadfastness not to fall into despair.

[mahmood8726]

2 hours ago, Diaz said:

So do you guys think Syria is officially domed? 

Its run by America zionists and Turks, so for now yes.