Syrian civil war is reignited.

[Abu Hadi]

The new syria. 

[OrthodoxTruth]

Our tragedy is that there’s too much politics masquerading as religion. Certain leader from certain country verbally supported the overthrow of dictators in Egypt and Libya, but not in Syria, since it didn’t serve his geopolitical agenda. 

Assad was not a Shia Muslim, neither he was a friend of Shiites. He was kept alive by Iran because Syria served as a hub for IRGC and Hezbollah. Religious rhetoric was used for years to mobilise Shiites in his defence. Tens of thousands of Shiites from Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan died fighting for a secular Alawite. Tens of billions of Shiite money was spent to keep his regime alive. It was rather logically predictable that Assad runs on borrowed time, since he was unwilling to enact any reforms. Two weeks shows that there was no loyalty to his governance but business and fear. 

Once again at the end of the day, it’s Shia civilians that will pay the price. If anyone thinks that the opposition consists of plurality loving democrats, then they are naive. All the major Sunni groups opposing Assad are salafists. Whether they are affiliated with Al Qaeda or ISIS doesn’t matter, since they all hate Shiites. In recent years, Iran moved thousands of Shiites from Iraq and Lebanon to settle around Damascus in order to change local demographics. Again, Shiites will pay the price for geopolitical games of one certain ruler. 

 

 

[mahmood8726]

It seems we were wrong about the Shrines being looted, it was the police station that was looted. 

The fatimiyoun mujahedeen are also leaving via lataika airport after a long standoff.

 

It seems Iran pressured HTS to not hurt the shias, the Shrines, etc... 

 

Well see if these thugs will keep their new found civility or revert to their former al quaeda savagery. I'm not confident it will last, these sectarian thugs have a history of being shameless.

Edited December 8, 2024 by mahmood8726

[Irfani313]

Maybe for a different topic but what happened, happened.
 

Let’s focus on LESSONS LEARNED from the fall of Dimishq. 

1. Every other member of AOR is a populist movement, supported by large proportion of regional people, and hence a halal cause. Asad’s Syria with its lack of popular support was an exception. Looking from religious lens, this likely reduced the barakah of the very religious nature of AOR which calls itself the active paver for the path of Imam. I expect AOR would gain more success now that the illegitimate particle has been rid of its mix. 

2. In the Syrian terror uprising 1.0, AOR was legitimate in stopping the barbarians, because the opponents themselves called for the desecration of the graves of Ahlulbayt. They even proved it by desecrating Hani ibn Urwa and Salman Muhammadi. 
 

3. Don’t support any dictatorial regime, not to mention this has been a practice of AOR/IRI for past 40 yrs, and like I said Syria 2.0 was an exception. 
 

4. Always remain popular. Support of the people & masses must be the base of the AOR movement. 

5. Don’t trust Russia. There are news Syria was traded for Ukraine. Not sure how true but still don’t trust Russia or China or anybody.

6. Grow your own air & space offensive and defensive technologies and assets.

7. Don’t compromise on your own sanctities, if Sayeda Zainab (عليه السلام) is threatened, go in with all might. There is no purpose of keeping the most power Shia militias in Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, and IRI, if Shia sanctities aren’t protected. Sayeda Zainab (عليه السلام) and her sanctity is infinitely more sacred than any rock or dome anywhere. 
 

This is all I could think of. Please add more. 

[StrangerInThisWorld]

Here is the test for the rebels and their fans: Will they try to retake the land occupied by the enemy or will they stay silent and act as if nothing happened? 

If it's the latter, then nothing more needs to be said regarding them.

 

[realizm]

6 minutes ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

Here is the test for the rebels and their fans: Will they try to retake the land occupied by the enemy or will they stay silent and act as if nothing happened? 

If it's the latter, then nothing more needs to be said regarding them.

 

 

I have read they declared this 'not a priority' and the priority is 'finding Syrian unity for a Bashar free era' or something like that.

[realizm]

5 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Those are exception, not the rule.

Brother, besides drones, those missiles were the only asset for offensive warfare owned by Hzb. It is their main dissuasion weapon. 

[Former.salafi]

Apparently Assad was slowly selling Iran out and shifting more to the gulf countries. Iran,hezbollah,ansarallah(houthis) all asked him to open a front in the Golan heights but he refused he also ignored their warnings 2 months ago about the plans of hts to advance.Additionally ansarallah have also accused him of closing their embassy in Syria in exchange for Saudi allowing him to open once there.

[guest 2025]

9 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

I am disappointed by Iran passivity. If Ali Khamenei starts cozying up to Al-Julani I will stop being Shia.

The Imams said 1000 years ago that Syria will fall and Suffyani will rise. Iran does not have the capacity to overturn Allah's decrees. And in the future, Khorasani (Iran), will not be able to overpower the Suffyani. You can't blame them for that either. Because that has been set in stone by Allah and predicted by the infallibles.

If anything, your faith should be stronger because we Shias called it.

[Lion of Shia]

11 minutes ago, guest 2025 said:

The Imams said 1000 years ago that Syria will fall and Suffyani will rise. Iran does not have the capacity to overturn Allah's decrees. And in the future, Khorasani (Iran), will not be able to overpower the Suffyani. You can't blame them for that either. Because that has been set in stone by Allah and predicted by the infallibles.

If anything, your faith should be stronger because we Shias called it.

May Allah hasten the re appearance of Imam Mahdi(عليه السلام)!

[ShiaChat Mod]

21 minutes ago, Lion of Shia said:

May Allah hasten the re appearance of Imam Mahdi(عليه السلام)!

Insha Allah, Brother. Insha Allah

[Sabrejet]

1 hour ago, guest 2025 said:

The Imams said 1000 years ago that Syria will fall and Suffyani will rise. Iran does not have the capacity to overturn Allah's decrees. And in the future, Khorasani (Iran), will not be able to overpower the Suffyani. You can't blame them for that either. Because that has been set in stone by Allah and predicted by the infallibles.

If anything, your faith should be stronger because we Shias called it.

None of the prophecies mentioned can be applied with absolute certainty to any particular situation or geographical area.

 

Khorasan, for example, hasn't historically only included Iran. It includes other Central Asian countries too.

[AbdusSibtayn]

7 hours ago, Diaz said:

if that post is true, that means assad sold syria for money. Maybe UAE or other arab rich countries paid for him to step down and leave syria. 

I am not surprised. Iran and the Shi'a were always just convenient allies for him, and he might have felt secure enough to free himself from what he thought was Iran 'controlling' him.

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 hour ago, Sabrejet said:

Khorasan, for example, hasn't historically only included Iran. It includes other Central Asian countries too.

True. The historic Khurasan mentioned in the ahadith is not just northeast Iran, but includes Northwestern Afgahnistan, Tajikistan, and even parts of the Turani/Turkic lands as far east as Bukhara (Uzbekistan). 

Merv/Marw, which was its ancient capital, is today in Turkmenistan.

So we don't know for sure from exactly where in this vast expanse the Khurasani will emerge.

This is why I am not very keen on speculating and pinpointing things about the prophesies related to the end times. We'll never know for sure unless we see something very certain and obvious happen.

I remember how rumours and speculations were rife after Abdullah of Saudi's death. Nothing really happened; it's been 11 years now. So too much hair-splitting and heeding speculations can also weaken people's faith when things don't turn out the way they had anticipated.

Edited December 9, 2024 by AbdusSibtayn

[Muhammed Ali]

 

[guest 2025]

1 hour ago, Sabrejet said:

None of the prophecies mentioned can be applied with absolute certainty to any particular situation or geographical area.

 

Khorasan, for example, hasn't historically only included Iran. It includes other Central Asian countries too.

You’re absolutely right that these interpretations are ultimately theories and not certainties. It could very well be that the fall of Syria foretold before the rise of the Sufyani is still centuries away. After all, people have been saying Imam Mahdi (عليه السلام) is right around the corner for over 1000 years. But we must acknowledge that we live in an era unlike any other. The world is more interconnected than ever, technology has reached unprecedented heights, and moral and social challenges are now global in scope.

In the Prophet’s time, we didn't even know there were two continents just to our west. Today, a plague in China can immediately affect Nigeria, and a financial crisis in Canada can ripple across continents. We’ve entered a period where the fate of one nation can influence the fate of all. As we look at the trajectory of global politics, economics, society, and religion, the trend is unmistakably toward instability. It’s this unique, interdependent age that makes current events in places like Syria feel more urgent. In these unprecedented circumstances, it’s natural to take these signs more seriously than ever before.

 

Yes I was mistaken in how I worded that. All that matters is that this figure comes from Khorasan, it doesn't require that they unite the entire region into one. 

[guest 2025]

36 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

True. The historic Khurasan mentioned in the ahadith is not just northeast Iran, but includes Northwestern Afgahnistan, Tajikistan, and even parts of the Turani/Turkic lands as far east as Bukhara (Uzbekistan). 

Merv/Marw, which was its ancient capital, is today in Turkmenistan.

So we don't know for sure from exactly where in this vast expanse the Khurasani will emerge.

This is why I am not very keen on speculating and pinpointing things about the prophesies related to the end times. We'll never know for sure unless we see something very certain and obvious happen.

It's obvious that it won't be from the Sunni areas. Iranians have already set up shop for the preparation of Imam Mahdi, they've been on it for 40 years and you think it could be some guy from Tajikistan or Uzbekistan? 

Don't get me wrong Allah can do anything and I agree 100% with your last paragraph.

I'm just saying it really SEEMS that the Suffyani is near, but I'm not going to do anything about it until I see someone rise from Syria and take over multiple countries. 

[Haji 2003]

Linked video is worth watching

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a Libyan who bought into US-NATO-Israeli-Saudi-UAE propaganda and took up arms against Ghaddafi thinking he was actually fighting for freedom, democracy and "true Islam", reflects on what he did after his fall: "If Ghaddafi were alive now, I would fight for him." Syria soon.

https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1865538391258865814

 

[Abu Hadi]

We may need to accept that Bashar was, in fact, a 'sleeper cell' who was either 

1. Put in Syria from the beginning to facilitate this coup

2. At some point, turned against AOR and took the payout from Zionists

We must accept that this coup was an inside job. It was facilitated by SAA and Syrian leadership all the way to the top. No army in history has conquered a country the size of Syria thru fighting in a few weeks. That is impossible. It was planned coordinated a long time in advance and again this cooperation went all the way to the top otherwise it wouldn't have been possible. 

I say good riddance to bad rubbish. Bashar was the son of a dictator and he was fed with a golden spoon his entire life. What exactly did you expect from him ? 

 

We'll now have to see who actually controls Syria going forward and adjust accordingly. 

As Professor Mirandi and others have said already, Syria was always the weakest link in the AOR, and they already knew the nature of the Syrian 'leadership'. Adjustments will be made and the AOR will move forward, I'm fairly confident of that. 

Edited December 9, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[AbdusSibtayn]

7 hours ago, guest 2025 said:

It's obvious that it won't be from the Sunni areas. Iranians have already set up shop for the preparation of Imam Mahdi, they've been on it for 40 years and you think it could be some guy from Tajikistan or Uzbekistan? 

Don't get me wrong Allah can do anything and I agree 100% with your last paragraph.

I'm just saying it really SEEMS that the Suffyani is near, but I'm not going to do anything about it until I see someone rise from Syria and take over multiple countries. 

And why not? The idea that it has to be someone from contemporary Iran proper (when Iran occupies a relatively small portion of the historic Khurasaan) is based on extremely contemporary impressionistic probabilistic reasoning. 

For example, I could dispute the identification with this question- Why can't it be Ayatollah Sistani (ha) or one of his sons in Iraq? His family is from Khurasan as well. Why does it have to be someone in Iran? 

Boundaries and demographics keep shifting all the time. At the time in which these narrations are set, there were simply not that many Shi'a in Iran proper. Twelver Shiism was still a very Arab thing with the majority of Shi'a being concentrated in the Hijaz and Kufa.

There were (and still are) historically -established large Shi'a communities in the 'Sunni' areas- the Shi'a Turkmen, Tajiks, Hazaras, Azeris. Allama Kashshi (Rahimahullah) (the author of the book Rijal al-Kashshi) was from Kashsh or Kesh which is near Samarqand in modern Uzbekistan. 

So what is 'obvious' to us is often based on very transient realities which can change the very next decade or century. Back in Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) or Imam Kadhim (عليه السلام) 's times if you would have asked one of their students where they thought the Khurasani would be from, they'd not be too sure about locating him in the part of Khurasan in today's Iran proper, simply because there were hardly any Shi'a there back then, and even if there were they were the wrong kind (Zaydis in Damavand and Tabaristan, who didn't even acknowledge the 12th Imam, let alone a Khurasani or a Sufyani). 

All I want to say is that speculation is of little benefit and often dangerous, because people's belief gets shaken when things don't turn out the way they'd anticipated. Shaykh Bahjat (rh) said the very same thing to a scholar whom I look upon as my own Shaykh, who was a student in Qom back then and had asked him about these end time prophesies when the Intifada Sha'baniyya had happened- 'don't speculate about the reports on Aakhir uz-Zaman based on current situations. The speculations may or may not be true, and if they aren't, the harm is more than the benefit'. 

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by AbdusSibtayn

[AbdusSibtayn]

2 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

At some point, turned against AOR and took the payout from Zionists

I'm hearing this a lot too. I'm inclined to believe by the look of things and the 'no smoke without fire' principle that there must be something true about this. 

[Revert1963]

It seams like that the lack of resistance from the SAA was due to Syrian Army officers being bribed not to put up a fight. This is obviously a severe intelligence failure on behalf of Russia and Iran. Inshaallah they will learn from this. However it is also a betrayal by these officers. Wouldnt it be fair to say that these officers need to face repercussions for what they have done? 

[Revert1963]

4 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

We may need to accept that Bashar was, in fact, a 'sleeper cell'

I doubt it. If this was true he would not go to Moscow. He would be in Miami. However there was obviously a lot of SAA officers who was bought of.

[AbdusSibtayn]

2 hours ago, Revert1963 said:

I doubt it. If this was true he would not go to Moscow. He would be in Miami. However there was obviously a lot of SAA officers who was bought of.

He wasn't an agent or a sellout per se, but he just got too close to his new GCC blood brothers for his own good, trusting the Emiratis and the Saudis to lobby with the West and Israel for him. He began to use them as a counterbalance against Iran & co and began to flout their requests and suggestions. But then the West is the West; the push came to shove, his GCC buddies did not help him as much as he expected, and Iran, Russia & co also realized that he's unreliable and a lost cause, decided to conserve their resources for a better use, and let him go. 

Edited December 9, 2024 by AbdusSibtayn

[Panzerwaffe]

6 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

He wasn't an agent or a sellout per se, but he just got too close to his new GCC blood brothers for his own good, trusting the Emiratis and the Saudis to lobby with the West and Israel for him. He began to use them as a counterbalance against Iran & co and began to flout their requests and suggestions. But then the West is the West; the push came to shove, his GCC buddies did not help him as much as he expected, and Iran, Russia & co also realized that he's unreliable and a lost cause, decided to conserve their resources for a better use, and let him go. 

Hafiz did the same in 1990 and late 70s 

but he got away with it 

Assad was his dads son 

but still worst is to come for Syria 

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 minute ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Hafiz did the same in 1990 and late 70s 

but he got away with it 

Assad was his dads son 

but still worst is to come for Syria 

Agreed. 

Those who grew up in Lebanon through the 80s and 90s will know his father's misdeeds only too well. 

Helping the discredited and corrupt Amal against Hezbollah. 

Helping the thuggish elements within PLO against Hezbollah. 

I think he even flirted with the Salafi jihadists at one point. 

What goes around comes around. 

[Diaz]

17 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

He wasn't an agent or a sellout per se, but he just got too close to his new GCC blood brothers for his own good, trusting the Emiratis and the Saudis to lobby with the West and Israel for him. He began to use them as a counterbalance against Iran & co and began to flout their requests and suggestions. But then the West is the West; the push came to shove, his GCC buddies did not help him as much as he expected, and Iran, Russia & co also realized that he's unreliable and a lost cause, decided to conserve their resources for a better use, and let him go. 

 

6 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Agreed. 

Those who grew up in Lebanon through the 80s and 90s will know his father's misdeeds only too well. 

Helping the discredited and corrupt Amal against Hezbollah. 

Helping the thuggish elements within PLO against Hezbollah. 

I think he even flirted with the Salafi jihadists at one point. 

What goes around comes around. 

I never loved assad specially bashar, always disliked him. However I never talked about it because you know, in Lebanon if you hate him, that means you are a Zionist so I just kept it to myself. If he really sold syria and aor then I hope Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) punish him in this work and afterlife. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

This is the wife of Maher al-Assad btw. 

The clown act just doesn't seem to end. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 minute ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

This is the wife of Maher al-Assad btw. 

The clown act just doesn't seem to end. 

I want to say 'WAAAAAAAAAAoooooooowwwwww' in Fariborz Arabnia's voice. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

Just for the LOLs and giggles. (Not translating because it will spoil the fun) 

[laithAlIRAQI]

[Guest guest]

44 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

This is the wife of Maher al-Assad btw. 

The clown act just doesn't seem to end. 

I am really confused by this very quick shifts that I am seeing... I even saw a girl (who is very pro resistance and quite known on social media in the arab world), who  not long ago made a video on how she loves Bashar al assad and now.. she posted a video saying she is still very against the opposition but she understand that Bashar didn't treat his people very well.

[Diaz]

What do you guys think with all these anti assad who are abused and jailed for many years? Do you think it’s real or fake? 

[Muhammed Ali]

Worth reading:

 

[Muhammed Ali]

On 12/8/2024 at 2:39 PM, Panzerwaffe said:

When will you Shias realize for radical Sunnis Shias are not the ummah 

In your experience, roughly what percentage of Sunnis are friendly towards Shias?

And to they tend to have particular ideologies, e.g. Sufi, liberal etc. 

Edited December 9, 2024 by Muhammed Ali