Syrian civil war is reignited.

[mahmood8726]

7 minutes ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

I agree with brother @Jaabir in that the lack of "Shi'a-Centrism" in our geopolitics is to blame for our losses. While I do believe that helping all suffering Muslims is ideal and praiseworthy, we ought to not place the plight of others in a status where they are above or equal to ourselves. 

The news regarding the suffering that our brothers & sisters go through in places like Afghanistan & Pakistan is sickening. It is even worse that they are neglected, hardly ever discussed, and certainly not supported during their struggles.

The Shi'a should always be the priority. 

Those who claim the war in South Lebanon was a victory are simply coping and unable to admit to reality. The attempt to present anything as a victory is a sign of desperation, and a reminiscent of the failing Arab armies during the Arab-Israeli wars of the past.

The Zionists said that their aim was to delink Gaza from Lebanon. Hezbollah said they would fight the Zionists as a support front in order to pressure Israel to submit to a ceasefire. 

Gaza has been destroyed and is still under bombardment. Israel completely destroyed South Lebanon and killed most of Hezbollah's Leaders and Commanders. It is also very likely that alot of Hezbollah's rocket stockpile was either used or destroyed, as is normal in a war against an opponent with air superiority. All Hezbollah achieved was it showed that it has the ability to damage Israeli border towns, and hit Israeli cities with drones and missiles. Something Israel and the world already knew anyway. Visual damage in Israel is relatively minimal - certainly compared to South Lebanon. 

Israel was also able to kill some of Iran's most senior commanders with hardly any damage recieved in retaliation.

What does this tell you? Israel is not deterred. It was not "defeated". It achieved its objective that it announced prior to the pager operation, which was 1) de-link Gaza and South Lebanon/Hezbollah 2) return the Northern Settlers home.

Now, did it achieve ultimate victory, as in "destroying" Hezbollah? No it did not achieve that. But how does this prove that Hezbollah's sacrifices - of thousands of martyrs - was "worth it"? Hezbollah did not achieve any of its stated goals and objectives since it joined the war in support of Gaza. All it did was "survive".

And what happened subsequently - the weakening of Hezbollah and Iran generally, as a result of the Gaza War - is obviously being exploited by Turkey and its rebels to fulfill their ultimate goal in Syria. The Shi'a in Syria will suffer greatly if this offensive remains as hot as it is, in addition to our Holy Shrines being in grave danger.

And if the regime in Damascus does fall and Iran's route to Hezbollah is compromised, then yes, Israel has just achieved a geopolitical victory of the ages. 

The believers should be honest with themselves. Learn from your mistakes and do not paint everything as a victory. Be open about where you have failed.

One thing I wish we learned from our enemies, especially the US, is when they train their troops or simulate wargames, they make it so the enemy is incredibly strong, perhaps much stronger than the enemy really is or stronger than even themselves.

This is why the US Military regularly loses in war game simulations. They try their best not to underestimate their enemy. 

And what happens when the US or the West (including Israel) fail? Instant self-criticism and internal debates. They don't try and sugarcoat their failures. They try and learn from their mistakes. You don't think in Israel there won't be a critical investigation into the failures of their military and intelligence when it came to October 7? There will be for sure. Just as there was following the 2006 War. And after the 1973 War.

Unfortunately in our Shi'i political circles all you see is positivism and talks of how in mere minutes we can wipe our enemies out. Even right now, some are people have convinced themselves that what is happening is in Syria is some sort of 4D master plan.

It is not haram to be critical or to mention how tough your enemy is. It is stupid to belittle the other side and convince yourself your much superior - even if you actually are, let alone if you aren't.

This is not a video game. This is war. 

May Allah grant us patience and foresight. 

Ok this keeps being brought up when we're soley discussing about the Syrian civil war and what might happen and not if the AOR failed or not. So I made this forum so we can discuss it there:

I will adress your points.

 

 

[Ibn Tayyar]

1 minute ago, mahmood8726 said:

Ok this keeps being brought up when we're soley discussing about the Syrian civil war and what might happen and not if the AOR failed or not. So I made this forum so we can discuss it there:

I will adress your points.

 

 

If you want this thread to solely discuss the events in Syria, then as you wish brother. I shall comment no more regarding Gaza and Lebanon on this thread.

I am also happy to be proven wrong or to see things from another perspective. 

May Allah bless you.

[HusseinA9182]

Do yall think this is the Uprising of Al-Sufyani? 
 

Not saying Al Julani is Al-Sufyani, but maybe he gets killed and it leads to that? 

[mahmood8726]

35 minutes ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

If you want this thread to solely discuss the events in Syria, then as you wish brother. I shall comment no more regarding Gaza and Lebanon on this thread.

I am also happy to be proven wrong or to see things from another perspective. 

May Allah bless you.

I responded to you my friend, I will quote you there.

[mahmood8726]

1 hour ago, IraqiFeyli313 said:

"Syria refused Iran to send two brigades of troops into Syria, out of fear that it would 'tarnish Assad's domestic support' and that it would 'provoke Israel to enter Syria". Like what the heck is going on within the Syrian leadership?

this is unconfirmed news. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

I am being led to believe more and more that Putin and possibly elements within the Syrian establishment itself have secured some sort of last-minute under- the- table deal with Israel. I have been following the rebel behavior and it is strange- they have talked of giving safe passage to the evacuating top officials from the captured towns, otherwise they'd just shove them into the meat grinder like they always do. 

Brother @Ibn Tayyar was right, we shouldn't have pinned too much hope on these fellows. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 hour ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

The Shi'a in Syria will suffer greatly if this offensive remains as hot as it is, in addition to our Holy Shrines being in grave danger.

This is what worries me the most. 

It is us Shi'a who are the net losers in this war. At least this is what appears to be the case as of now. 

And the ensuing bloodbath of the mu'mineen in Syria is going to be horrendous, probably worse than anything that they have seen since the Umayyad rule. 

[mahmood8726]

This is not my opinion, but I found it intresting, especially with all the doom and gloom going on. Wether this is cope or not, I honestly won't pretend like I know anymore:

 

"People are making the error of comparing Syrian war's 2012-2018 situation to today's situation. This is wrong. 

 

The SAA is operating in an entirely different environment now. Remember, SAA is primarily a conscript army. In between 2013 and 2018, they weren't discharging conscripts which helped them grow their headcount. They also had hezbollah and IRGC adding to their headcount. Back then, 80% of national budget was dedicated to the Syrian army. Since 2018, much of that was diverted to reconstruction efforts. 

 

Today is different. SAA has far smaller headcount, and none of the conscripts has seen the battles of 2012-2018. The SAA can no longer follow the strategy of deploying troops at every major city to hold it, and they recognize this. 

 

This is why withdrawing from Aleppo was the right choice, and same for Hama and Saraqeb. 

 

You might say that "SAA never lost Hama before, so this is so much worse than before!" but you can't say that. Those are completely different situations. SAA withdrew from Hama tactically. They inflicted heavy losses on the rebels during the battle, but withdrew before the rebels could inflict much. They are now inflicting heavy losses on rebels in Talbisa and Rastan, but the rebels can't say the same about SAA positions in Homs. 

 

The SAA leadership is navigating an army of mostly young, inexperienced, and under funded conscripts, but so far they're doing way better than you all think."

 

They then added:

 

"They could not have feasibly prepared.

The rebels are backend by several foreign countries. The SAA is basically alone at this time, maybe very limited support from some allies.

Syria is economically suffocated. The front had been calm since 2018. They can't feasibly keep dumping all their state budget and resources into the army just for the off chance the defeated rebels attack. The country desperately needed economic revival. Remember, syria was hit very badly by both covid and the earthquake.

The SAA is, imo, doing the best with what it has. It may end up not being enough, but it is too early to tell."

Edited December 7, 2024 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

after someone asks how conscripts are expected to put up a fight, he gave an intresting answer too:

"The conscripts aren't alone. The SAA has experienced elements. They just can't be distributed in every major city.

The conscripts aren't untrained random citizens. They are still trained, but they aren't battle hardened like in 2018. The point is you must not apply 2015-2018 standard on them. The conscripts aren't experts, but they can still put up a decent fight under the right leadership and the right strategy (which could often involve tactical retreat).

I'm not sure if they will retreat from Homs yet. Homs is more strategically important than Hama, but it is also has far less fortifications and defenses than Damascus and the coast. Whether eventually withdrawing is the right call depends on on-ground details that I do not have.

To answer the "then what", my prediction is that the SAA will continue draining HTS as much as possible while preserving its own. This involves holding positions as long as they are safe, shelling the attacking rebel forces, and forcing them to stretch themselves thin.

The one issue with Hama and Homs is that they are far less prepared and host the less-motivated conscripts. Damascus hosts some of the most experienced and highly motivated fighters of Syria, and it has strong natural defenses (surrounded by mountains). The fight may not rebound until rebels reach Damascus, or it may happen at Homs. Only time will tell."

[Jaabir]

10 hours ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

I agree with brother @Jaabir in that the lack of "Shi'a-Centrism" in our geopolitics is to blame for our losses. While I do believe that helping all suffering Muslims is ideal and praiseworthy, we ought to not place the plight of others in a status where they are above or equal to ourselves. 

The news regarding the suffering that our brothers & sisters go through in places like Afghanistan & Pakistan is sickening. It is even worse that they are neglected, hardly ever discussed, and certainly not supported during their struggles.

The Shi'a should always be the priority. 

Those who claim the war in South Lebanon was a victory are simply coping and unable to admit to reality. The attempt to present anything as a victory is a sign of desperation, and a reminiscent of the failing Arab armies during the Arab-Israeli wars of the past.

The Zionists said that their aim was to delink Gaza from Lebanon. Hezbollah said they would fight the Zionists as a support front in order to pressure Israel to submit to a ceasefire. 

Gaza has been destroyed and is still under bombardment. Israel completely destroyed South Lebanon and killed most of Hezbollah's Leaders and Commanders. It is also very likely that alot of Hezbollah's rocket stockpile was either used or destroyed, as is normal in a war against an opponent with air superiority. All Hezbollah achieved was it showed that it has the ability to damage Israeli border towns, and hit Israeli cities with drones and missiles. Something Israel and the world already knew anyway. Visual damage in Israel is relatively minimal - certainly compared to South Lebanon. 

Israel was also able to kill some of Iran's most senior commanders with hardly any damage recieved in retaliation.

What does this tell you? Israel is not deterred. It was not "defeated". It achieved its objective that it announced prior to the pager operation, which was 1) de-link Gaza and South Lebanon/Hezbollah 2) return the Northern Settlers home.

Now, did it achieve ultimate victory, as in "destroying" Hezbollah? No it did not achieve that. But how does this prove that Hezbollah's sacrifices - of thousands of martyrs - was "worth it"? Hezbollah did not achieve any of its stated goals and objectives since it joined the war in support of Gaza. All it did was "survive".

And what happened subsequently - the weakening of Hezbollah and Iran generally, as a result of the Gaza War - is obviously being exploited by Turkey and its rebels to fulfill their ultimate goal in Syria. The Shi'a in Syria will suffer greatly if this offensive remains as hot as it is, in addition to our Holy Shrines being in grave danger.

And if the regime in Damascus does fall and Iran's route to Hezbollah is compromised, then yes, Israel has just achieved a geopolitical victory of the ages. 

The believers should be honest with themselves. Learn from your mistakes and do not paint everything as a victory. Be open about where you have failed.

One thing I wish we learned from our enemies, especially the US, is when they train their troops or simulate wargames, they make it so the enemy is incredibly strong, perhaps much stronger than the enemy really is or stronger than even themselves.

This is why the US Military regularly loses in war game simulations. They try their best not to underestimate their enemy. 

And what happens when the US or the West (including Israel) fail? Instant self-criticism and internal debates. They don't try and sugarcoat their failures. They try and learn from their mistakes. You don't think in Israel there won't be a critical investigation into the failures of their military and intelligence when it came to October 7? There will be for sure. Just as there was following the 2006 War. And after the 1973 War.

Unfortunately in our Shi'i political circles all you see is positivism and talks of how in mere minutes we can wipe our enemies out. Even right now, some are people have convinced themselves that what is happening is in Syria is some sort of 4D master plan.

It is not haram to be critical or to mention how tough your enemy is. It is stupid to belittle the other side and convince yourself your much superior - even if you actually are, let alone if you aren't.

This is not a video game. This is war. 

May Allah grant us patience and foresight. 

A7sant, alhamdulillah. People who know me in person are surprised now when they hear me talk about how much of a cancer IRI is for Shi'as because those who know me know how deeply I favoured IRI and the things I've done in support for its movement in the past

It's truly astonishing witnessing people playing crazy mental gymnastics and say Hezb won in South Lebanon in this recent conflict. Those are the people you can't have a serious argument with. If that looked like a victory to you, then you've casted doubt on and discredited the victories you claimed in 2006, 2000, and other years. And yet you have the leader of Hezb claiming they won because "we are still here" and Israel failed to destroy every last member of Hezb. I guess ISIS won as well since they too are still out there.

The past few years we've been hearing from these fools how they "defeated Zionists in Syria, handed them a great loss, defended the shrine of Zainab, etc.". Yet here we are today watching it all unfold in the span of a couple of weeks. The $50 billion credit line IRI gave to Assad, depriving the Iranian people, is gone and will never be returned. The 10,000 Shi'i lives IRI formed into militias who died in Syria at the hands of ISIS, Nusra, Ahrar al-Sham, and other vicious terrorists died for nothing. It breaks my heart these innocent Shi'as who were duped into believing they're defending the shrine, but here we are today where it all meant nothing. These Shi'as were often scammed from within Iran (Iran offered so many of the illegal Hazara Shi'a immigrants in Iran citizenship, so much for caretaker of all Shi'a!), or picked up in Pakistan from poor areas where they would be jailed after returning to Pakistan, or in Afghanistan, where the Taliban or other sectarians use as pretext that they're fighting "Shia Fatimiyoun terrorists".

If Syria falls, this is the beginning of the end of IRI. It won't be from an Israeli or a U.S. attack, but it'll be from within Iran itself because of how much they're hated by ordinary Iranians. And this is not what I want, because it would lead to more Shi'a lives lost. It's up to IRI itself to either reform themselves of their jahl or face it's own people in a civil war. I've always said that Shi'a in the Middle East should be living like kings but instead are living like peasants, because of a horrendous ideology from Khomeini, Khamenei, or whoever, that we must die for Palestine, most of whom hate Shi'as to begin with, because "omg look at what the evil Zionists are doing" while there are other evils out there who have done far worse things to Shi'as for a 1000 years before Israel existed.

[Jaabir]

The southern Daraa terrorists seem to have reached the outskirts of Damascus

Edited December 7, 2024 by Jaabir

[Abu Nur]

I saw video where these terrorist were chanting karbala. This is already a sign that they try to first influence iraqi sunnis to prepare to take Iraq with their Help. May Allah curse them.

[Diaz]

5 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

I saw video where these terrorist were chanting karbala. This is already a sign that they try to first influence iraqi sunnis to prepare to take Iraq with their Help. May Allah curse them.

I hope our Sunni brothers in iraq won’t fall for this fitnah. 

[Abu Nur]

19 minutes ago, Diaz said:

I hope our Sunni brothers in iraq won’t fall for this fitnah. 

Some have already falled for it. I hope it is not majority.

[mahmood8726]

8 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Some have already falled for it. I hope it is not majority.

Man this should get intresting. I imagine by the time I come back in weeks, there will be a forum about an Iraqi Civil war 

 

Hopefully muqtada sadr doesn't do anything retarded again. 

Edited December 7, 2024 by mahmood8726

[Abu Nur]

1 minute ago, mahmood8726 said:

Man this should get intresting. I imagine by the time I come back in weeks, there will be a forum about an Iraqi Civil war 

 

Hopefully muqtada sadr doesn't do anything retarded again. 

Insha'Allah no civil wars and there are some iraqi sunnis who remember our sacrifice ageinst these isis terrorist.

[AbdusSibtayn]

Time to resume the Sufyaniposting I guess. 

[mahmood8726]

6 hours ago, Jaabir said:

The southern Daraa terrorists seem to have reached the outskirts of Damascus

4-2km.

They already destroyed many governmental buildings in areas near Damascus city. 

There are many closeted fsa supporters comming out. I know a Syrian (civilian) who got away from Damascus and syria because he's a minority and some of his colleaugues from college(pro fsa) started spamming green hearts on his DMs. The sad part is most Syrians are anti fsa he told me, most are either neutral or pro Bashar. 

 

Hopefully most Syrians there remain resolute and stop buying into the psyops to sow fear and chaos, but given the SAA is retreating a lot, it seems to be unstoppable now.

Edited December 7, 2024 by mahmood8726

[AbdusSibtayn]

I have a gut feeling that this is going to spill over to Iraq and Lebanon. 

[Abu Nur]

12 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

I have a gut feeling that this is going to spill over to Iraq and Lebanon. 

It is possible that they will focus to Lebanon next with Israel. Israel with HTS terrorist help try to take lebanon and give them the center and north while they take south of Lebanon.

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 minute ago, Abu Nur said:

It is possible that they will focus to Lebanon next with Israel. Israel with HTS terrorist help try to take lebanon and give them the center and north while they take south of Lebanon.

Meanwhile also activating their sleeper cells in northern Iraq. 

[Abu Nur]

Before his rising this going to happen

هيلع) هللا دبع يبا نع ،رامع نب قاحسا نع بوبحم نبا نع ،هيبا نع ،ميهاربا نب يلع عمط اوفلتخا اذاف مهنيب اميف (4) ن! ونب فلتخي ىتح نوبحت ام نورت ! :لاق (م! .ينايفسلا جرخو ةملكلا تقرفتو سانلا ‘Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Mahbub from Is‘haq b. ‘Ammar from Abu ‘Abdillah م! هيلع. He said: You will not see what you love until Banu fulan differ in what is between them. So when they differ, the people will become greedy, and the word will not be kept, and the Sufyani will appear. (al-Kafi, Volume 8, hadith #254)(muwathaq)(قثوم)

[Abu Nur]

No he is not trump lol:

نب ميهاربا- نب يلع انثدح :لاق هنع هللا يضر ينادمهلا رفعج نب دايز نب دمحا انثدح رمع نع نامثع نب دامح نع ،ريمع يبا نب دمحم نع ،مشاه نب ميهاربا هيبا نع ،مشاه ثبخا تيارل ينايفسلا تيار ول كنا :م! هيلع قداصلا هللا دبع وبا يل لاق :لاق ديزي نب ما نفدي هنا هثبخ نم غلب دقو ،(4) رانلا مث يراث يراث بر اي :لوقي ،قرزا رمحا رقشا ،سانلا .هيلع لدت نا ةفاخم ةيح يهو هل دلو Ahmad b. Ziyad b. Ja‘far al-Hamadani هنع هللا يضر narrated. He said: ‘Ali b. Ibrahim b. Hisham narrated from his father Ibrahim b. Hashim from Muhammad b. Abi ‘Umayr from Hamad b. ‘Uthman from ‘Umar b. Yazid. He said: Abu ‘Abdillah as-Sadiq م! هيلع said to me: If you were to see the Sufyani, you would have seen the foulest person: [he is] blonde, red, and blue, and he will say, “O Lord, my reprisal, my reprisal, my reprisal, then the Fire”. His evil will become apparent when he buries the mother that gave birth to him alive so that she may not be an indicator to him.184 (Kamal ad-Deen, Volume 2, Signs of the Reappearance of the Qa’im, hadith #10)(sahih)(حيحص)

[AbdusSibtayn]

Gotta be an official Sufyaniposting thread. 

[Eddie Mecca]

7 hours ago, Jaabir said:

The southern Daraa terrorists seem to have reached the outskirts of Damascus

Is this you merely narrating on current events...or is this your supplication prayer to Allah?

Edited December 7, 2024 by Eddie Mecca
Correction

[mahmood8726]

28 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Is this you merely narrating current events...or is this your supplication prayer to Allah?

No one is happy about this. Please don't instigate him. 

[mahmood8726]

https://t.me/FotrosResistance/11224

 

WATCH: The Syrian anti-Assad terrorist “rebels” are giving interviews with Israeli media left & right promoting friendly relationships…

 

A FSA member in Daraa Syria, in an interview with Israeli journalist Kaisos from Channel 11, says:

 

“Dear neighbours & friends from the friendly state of Israel, I’m talking to you, the people of Daraa are joyous after Assad’s rule was diminished. I’m speaking on my behalf and all the free people of Syria, our next phase will be harmony & peace with the state of Israel.

 

There will be no extremism, we share passion. We invite Israel to come to Syria and invest.”

 

[Eddie Mecca]

@mahmood8726, the Shirazis and the Takfiris are both subordinates working for the same employers...they're on the same side...you really need to wake up

[mahmood8726]

7 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

@mahmood8726, the Shirazis and the Takfiris are both subordinates working for the same employers...they're on the same side...you really need to wake up

I don't think jabir is a shirazi, just a bitter guy about iran. 

 

Watch the video I put, it's a filthy FSA pig from daraa expressing his 100% for Israel on video

[Abu Nur]

It doesn't matter anymore. When Damascus falls then the whole middle east will be in fire and wars. There will be only two sided the side of light and darkness and they will fight till our promised one will come.

[mahmood8726]

Video:

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/36575

Libyan citizen to Syrians: Don't repeat our mistake!

 

[Diaz]

First Motaz aziza and now this. Yeah blame AOR as much as you want, as if other countries did something to the people of Gaza. 
 

[Diaz]

2 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

No he is not trump lol:

نب ميهاربا- نب يلع انثدح :لاق هنع هللا يضر ينادمهلا رفعج نب دايز نب دمحا انثدح رمع نع نامثع نب دامح نع ،ريمع يبا نب دمحم نع ،مشاه نب ميهاربا هيبا نع ،مشاه ثبخا تيارل ينايفسلا تيار ول كنا :م! هيلع قداصلا هللا دبع وبا يل لاق :لاق ديزي نب ما نفدي هنا هثبخ نم غلب دقو ،(4) رانلا مث يراث يراث بر اي :لوقي ،قرزا رمحا رقشا ،سانلا .هيلع لدت نا ةفاخم ةيح يهو هل دلو Ahmad b. Ziyad b. Ja‘far al-Hamadani هنع هللا يضر narrated. He said: ‘Ali b. Ibrahim b. Hisham narrated from his father Ibrahim b. Hashim from Muhammad b. Abi ‘Umayr from Hamad b. ‘Uthman from ‘Umar b. Yazid. He said: Abu ‘Abdillah as-Sadiq م! هيلع said to me: If you were to see the Sufyani, you would have seen the foulest person: [he is] blonde, red, and blue, and he will say, “O Lord, my reprisal, my reprisal, my reprisal, then the Fire”. His evil will become apparent when he buries the mother that gave birth to him alive so that she may not be an indicator to him.184 (Kamal ad-Deen, Volume 2, Signs of the Reappearance of the Qa’im, hadith #10)(sahih)(حيحص)

Yeah ofc it’s not trump, because he is orange while the man our imam (عليه السلام) mentioned is red. Maybe it is this man below . He is red 

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by Diaz

[mahmood8726]

 

What a clown, he thinks russians have time to waste cross dressing as isis terrorists to do false flags.

Someone give this guy a mossad badge, this is no diffirent the nonsense about nazi books being found in Gaza or Lebanon. All this post proves is that HTS have isis thugs in them. 

[Irfani313]

4 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

It is possible that they will focus to Lebanon next with Israel. Israel with HTS terrorist help try to take lebanon and give them the center and north while they take south of Lebanon.

Whatever happened to the shia crescent in West Asia?