When did Muzaffer from Islamic pulse start being anti semetic?

[mahmood8726]

Salam aleykum, 

Since when did he start hating on Jewish people? I don't remeber him being like this. When he says "the jews" is her reffering to exclusively zionists? Or Jewish people that want to do harm? What is he doing? 

Here is what I'm talking about, this is directly from him:

 

https://t.me/ShaykhMuzafferHyder/235

Here he says that voting dem or republican is a vote for the jews. Because the jews control america, despite even people whom he claims he follows such as sayed hassan nassrallah himself discouraging this nonsensical thinking. 

 

https://t.me/ShaykhMuzafferHyder/229

 

Then there is this one where he titles the video: 

"Jews are the hidden hands of corruption, fitna and chaos in the world today."

Where he goes on to link the slave trade, etc... to the jews and say how they made white, black, women, men, fight against eachother.

 

https://t.me/ShaykhMuzafferHyder/210

 

Or here where he titles it: 

"It has always been the Jews. Understand the significance of this group. Today they're hunting for the final saviour."

 

Watch the video it's self explanatory.

 

https://t.me/ShaykhMuzafferHyder/208

Or this

"It was the Jews who made it permissible to attack the sanctity and shed the blood of Imam Husayn (عليه السلام)"

 

https://t.me/ShaykhMuzafferHyder/205

 

Or this where he mentions the holocaust was "the only time jews had physical labour so they claimed it killed them"

 

 

And much more, watch all the videos there, it proves my point.

 

What is happening? Is he making blanket statements against all jews? I really want this to not be him going to this low, it actually pains me to see him do this. Sayed khamenaei and others like him have not advocated for this kind of thinking, which is the guy he has claimed to follow many times. I understand many people who think like this don't mean to be anti semetic, but this guy is not some random guy, he's more knowledgeable than the average person.

 

Edited November 7 by mahmood8726

[Abu Nur]

No not all Jews. He refer to the evil ones, this same language can also be found in Qur'an. Christians also do this often. He is not anti-Semitic.

But I agree with you, no Scholar should go this low.

Edited November 7 by Abu Nur

[Botak]

3 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

despite even people whom he claims he follows such as sayed hassan nassrallah himself discouraging this nonsensical thinking. 

Wait fr? I keep hearing how h3zb hates jews

[ireallywannaknow]

I saw one of his recent long videos about the Jews and after watching it I was feeling confused and a bit uneasy as well. But like abu nur said I remembered that the Quran does use similar generalizations so maybe it's okay (?). And when Jews are criticized in the Quran, is it the religion or the ethnicity? And how do we know the difference? I left it at that. 

[mahmood8726]

2 hours ago, Botak said:

Wait fr? I keep hearing how h3zb hates jews

Sayed hassan nassrallah has clearly stated in clear Arabic that he wanted the Muslims, Christians and jews to live in peace, he's also repeatedly refuted this notion that jews control the west as a, I'm paraphrasing "a myth the Arab world beleives in order to not confront israel".

When sayed hassan nassrallah was martyred, one western mainstream media wrote an article and I think put the video I reffered to about him wanting peace between muslims jews, etc... Many Twitter users also shared these videos.

This angered every zionist, to which western msn decided to make smear articles taking some of his sentences out of context and painting him as an anti semite, one such example is a quote from him from 2003, where he used the word "jews" instead of zionist, and western media knowing their western audience are ignorant of Arabs using the word "jew" interchangeably with zionism, capitalized on that ignorance. Sayed hassan nassrallah over time tried making an effort to use zionist and jews separately in his sentences to not cause confusion. 

Edited November 7 by mahmood8726

[Ashvazdanghe]

2 hours ago, ireallywannaknow said:

And when Jews are criticized in the Quran, is it the religion or the ethnicity? And how do we know the difference? I left it at that. 

Salam it's a mix of both of two which their religion has been corrupted by corrupt rabbis which in similar fashion they have been criticized based on ethnicity which except few ones of them who follow original teachings of Torah which currently majority of Zionists are Ashkenazi jews with a minority of Sephardic jews who have came from easten europe or their origin is from Khazar tribe  which they follow corrupted Judaism which only few ones from Sephardic jews whose origin is from west Asia   original teachings of Torah.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

3 hours ago, ireallywannaknow said:

I saw one of his recent long videos about the Jews and after watching it I was feeling confused and a bit uneasy as well. But like abu nur said I remembered that the Quran does use similar generalizations so maybe it's okay (?). And when Jews are criticized in the Quran, is it the religion or the ethnicity? And how do we know the difference? I left it at that. 

I think it's better not to generalize or assume about other people, given that we are fallible people. If he was talking about Zionists, he clearly would have said "Zionists control America", not "Jews control America", there's a big difference. Whenever the Children of Israel or Jews are mentioned in the Qur'an, it is always in a religious context and never in an ethnic sense. Also, if something makes you feel uneasy and uncomfortable, don't be like me and brush it off until its too late. 

[mahmood8726]

36 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

I think it's better not to generalize or assume about other people, given that we are fallible people. If he was talking about Zionists, he clearly would have said "Zionists control America", not "Jews control America", there's a big difference. Whenever the Children of Israel or Jews are mentioned in the Qur'an, it is always in a religious context and never in an ethnic sense. Also, if something makes you feel uneasy and uncomfortable, don't be like me and brush it off until its too late. 

I would have shared your opinion last year, but I have seen more and more people say this, because in their mind "most jews are zionists so I'm technically right".

They're also probably doing this to show off a "call me anti semetic, I don't care" kind of mentality, whilst not necessarily being hateful of all jews or wishing death on them in a genocidal, massacre murderous way.

Their mentality is also, "they lie about everything, so they probably lied about history", which I get, these governments are being highly dishonest, however these people are misguided, that's all, they're not necessarily being vindictive.

 

These kind of people are the result of western governments being highly dishonest with trillions of dollars of propaganda over the span of many years, the same governments telling people that if they question anything to do with zionism/holocaust that they're Hitler incarnate. All of this results in people resorting to a rebellious mentality, where they will now wrongfully beleive that jews/zionists control america, the holocaust never happened, etc... 

But the reality is most of these people I talked with them, they don't beleive in genocide against the jews for example, they refuse to accept hamas did horrible things to Jewish women or children for instance, etc..

Edited November 7 by mahmood8726

[Botak]

4 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

Sayed hassan nassrallah has clearly stated in clear Arabic that he wanted the Muslims, Christians and jews to live in peace, he's also repeatedly refuted this notion that jews control the west as a, I'm paraphrasing "a myth the Arab world beleives in order to not confront israel".

When sayed hassan nassrallah was martyred, one western mainstream media wrote an article and I think put the video I reffered to about him wanting peace between muslims jews, etc... Many Twitter users also shared these videos.

That sounds interesting. Can i see the source?

[mahmood8726]

1 hour ago, Botak said:

That sounds interesting. Can i see the source?

at 3 minutes he gives his vision for a palestinian state, saying he wants a democratic state where muslims, jews and christians live in peace, any other solution wont be viable according to him.

Watch the entire documentary if you want.

 

At 1:50 he essentially tells you how this beleif of a jewish lobby controlling america is a ridicilous beleif. After he says this, the guy who edited this video put a stupid video from an American outlet that was recorded 15 years ago and is irrelevant.

 

This is the new secretary General of hezbollah and his views:

 

 

Edited November 7 by mahmood8726

[Gaius I. Caesar]

On 11/7/2024 at 5:05 AM, mahmood8726 said:

but I have seen more and more people say this, because in their mind "most jews are zionists so I'm technically right".

Yes, this is the wrong way to go about it, most people don't know that Zionists come in other faiths besides Judaism and most Zionists are atheist like Theodor Herzl. Just because you see more and more people express the sentiment, does not mean that it is right. The majority does not always represent the truth and it is illogical thinking to justify a belief/assumption on appealing to the majority. Shias understand this better than any other group of people. If somebody wants to look up Islam, 90% of the websites will be biased towards Sunni sources.

On 11/7/2024 at 5:05 AM, mahmood8726 said:

Their mentality is also, "they lie about everything, so they probably lied about history", which I get, these governments are being highly dishonest, however these people are misguided, that's all, they're not necessarily being vindictive.

Again, this is an illogical mindset, when dealing with dishonesty, the last thing people should do is assume that everything is a lie . Because once they start assuming that "they lie about everything", that is when paranoia and the justification of being vindictive comes in and paranoia is never logical or based in fact, it is just assumptions and emotional reactions. 

On 11/7/2024 at 5:05 AM, mahmood8726 said:

But the reality is most of these people I talked with them, they don't beleive in genocide against the jews for example, they refuse to accept hamas did horrible things to Jewish women or children for instance, etc..

The cold, hard fact is that Hamas captured women and children to use as ramson for their fighters and unleashed Israeli genocide on innocent Palestinian people. That in itself is unacceptable and horrible to do both peoples. And Hamas still hasn't returned the captives, so Israel will continue to commit carnage and war crimes in Lebanon and Gaza.

[Abu Nur]

39 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

The cold, hard fact is that Hamas captured women and children to use as ramson for their fighters and unleashed Israeli genocide on innocent Palestinian people. That in itself is unacceptable and horrible to do both peoples. And Hamas still hasn't returned the captives, so Israel will continue to commit carnage and war crimes in Lebanon and Gaza.

Nonsense. This is exactly the talking points of Israel. Hamas did not have any of these intention nor it is their blame of the Israeli actions.

Edited November 11 by Abu Nur

[Gaius I. Caesar]

3 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Nonsense. This is exactly the talking points of Israel. Hamas did not have any of these intention nor it is their blame of the Israeli actions

How do you know what Hamas' intentions were? Is it? If you have a colonist and ultranationalist country like Israel with the mindset of taking land because its theirs by "blood" and you willingly put your people in danger by provoking said country, it is not self-defense or jihad. It is giving the oppressor more reasons to continue oppressing and justification in their perverse actions. 

Israel was never about Judaism but the Jewish identity as an nationalist state based on Jewish ethnicity. Why do you think Zionists use and weaponize accusations of antisemitism to silence people who criticize their genocide against the Palestinian people? Because if you take away their "right" to Palestine by blood, then the Zionists have no justification for their war crimes or their evil ideology. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

6 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

The cold, hard fact is that Hamas captured women and children

Salam Hamas has captured women & men which some of them have been teen agers not defenseless children which in zionist MSM propaganda all of teen agers have been called as defenseless children while according to zionist standards these so called children (teenagers) could carry guns as trained soldiers by IDF also teaching of using guns & hating arabs is common procedure of zionists for education of their children since childhood which as teenagers who received pre-military trainings since childhood so then  they can join IDF in order to initiate killing of Palestinians as teenagers  ; which Zionist call their pre-military camps for youth as "Gadna"program  under guise of counter terrorism while they are accusing Hamas to training children to became terrorist according to zionist standards. 

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Gadna (Hebrew: גדנ״ע) is an Israeli military program that prepares young people for military service in the Israel Defense Forces. It was established before the foundation of the State of Israel and was anchored in law in 1949. Today it is a one-week program of discipline and military training usually under commanders serving with the Nahal infantry brigade. Gadna hosts an estimated 19,000 Israeli youth annually, as well as numerous foreign youths.^[1]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadna_(Israel)}

Hamas video appears to show release of woman, two children

In a statement, the Qassem Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas, said the woman was an Israeli national.

“An Israeli settler and her two children were released after they were detained during the clashes,” said the statement, according to a report by the AFP news agency.

Al Jazeera’s Hoda Abdel-Hamid, reporting from West Jerusalem, said the Israeli media is treating the video with a “pinch of salt”.

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“One reporter said Hamas was in damage control, and that it was a media stunt. Other Israeli channels are saying this release happened earlier. Some are saying it happened on Saturday and that Hamas is trying to improve its international image at this point in time,” she said.

“The pictures are still spreading around the country, it’s just been aired on Al Jazeera, people are just trying to digest what they have seen,” she said, adding that there have been “conflicting” reactions so far.

“One reporter said Hamas was in damage control, and that it was a media stunt. Other Israeli channels are saying this release happened earlier. Some are saying it happened on Saturday and that Hamas is trying to improve its international image at this point in time,” she said.

“The pictures are still spreading around the country, it’s just been aired on Al Jazeera, people are just trying to digest what they have seen,” she said, adding that there have been “conflicting” reactions so far.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/11/hamas-video-appears-to-show-release-of-woman-two-children

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[Ashvazdanghe]

addendum

Who’s afraid of Hamas summer camps?

As Israel continues to train its children to kill, Hamas summer camps are certainly a useful distraction.

• 
  Belén Fernández

  Al Jazeera columnist

  Recently, Lawrence J Haas of the American Foreign Policy Council took to the pages of Newsweek to publicise a dangerous phenomenon: “Western Silence as Gaza Summer Camps Train Future Terrorists”.

  According to Haas – whose panties have been propelled into a massive bunch by the (hallucinated) idea that Western media and academia are obsessed with a “narrative of Israeli oppression and Palestinian victimisation” – Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad are teaching teenage boys in the Gaza Strip how to “shoot guns, launch anti-tank missiles and protect themselves while peering around walls”.

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  In his Newsweek rant, Haas describes summer camp in Gaza as “not the swimming and softball, hiking and cookouts that many of us fondly recall”. Likewise, the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs laments that, in the Palestinian coastal enclave, “summer camp looks very different” than elsewhere in the world, and does not involve “playing soccer or outdoor camping”.

  In other words, Palestinian kids learning how to “protect themselves while peering around walls” sounds rather benign in comparison.

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  Forget swimming and cookouts; Israeli kids can now spend their summer holidays in a “state-of-the-art F16 fighter jet simulator developed by American aerospace manufacturer Lockheed Martin”. They can “recreate the 1981 Israeli air strike that destroyed an Iraqi nuclear reactor near Baghdad”, participate in “boot camp” at a paintball field with a “special set designed for urban warfare: densely-built houses, burned vehicles, and sniper posts”, or enrol in “counterterrorism 101” and “aggression training”.

  Or, they can “train in thwarting cyberattacks and other skills that could help them secure a place at [Israeli cyber spy agency] Unit 8200 and other top cyberwarfare units when they reach enlistment age”. According to an instructor interviewed for the article, “each one of the kids participating in the summer programme already knows how to block someone from getting online”.

  Of course, the fact that even spelunking should effectively be militarised is hardly surprising in a country where, as Haim Bresheeth-Zabner rigorously documents in his book, An Army Like No Other, “military service starts before birth” and the army is the “centre of Israeli existence”.

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  Granted, there are also not many places in the world where children playing outdoor summer soccer are liable to get blown to pieces by an Israeli air attack – as happened in July 2014, meriting the almost criminally ambiguous New York Times headline: “Boys Drawn to Gaza Beach, and Into Centre of Mideast Strife”

   

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  Fortunately, however, alleged “silence” about the summer camps has been more than compensated for by the likes of the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) – a notorious US taxpayer-subsidised factory of Zionist propaganda – and similarly devoted institutions

  The report contends that not only is Hamas’ purported “indoctrination of children… cruel and inhumane, stripping these children of their childhood and naïveté”, it is also a violation of international humanitarian law, as the campers are said to qualify as “child soldiers” based on the 2007 Paris Principles and Guidelines on Children Associated with Armed Forces or Armed Groups.

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  Readers are then subjected to a compilation of other ways Hamas violates international human rights laws pertaining to children – ranging from the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court to the Optional Protocol on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which, inter alia, “prohibits children under the age of 15 from directly engaging in hostilities”.

  This brings us to the following question: Why, if the rights of the child are so sacred, do they spontaneously disappear whenever the Israeli military undertakes to slaughter children? In the same vein, if Israel is so opposed to the concept of child soldiers, why does it treat kids as military targets?

  Indeed, if we want to talk about international law, Israel’s own behaviour basically constitutes one continuous violation thereof.

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  Fast-forward to summer 2018, when the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs uploaded a video to YouTube with the caption: “What are your children doing this #summer? #Hamas in #Gaza is depriving young Palestinians of their childhood by poisoning their minds with hatred & violence”.

  The Zionists up in arms over summer camp activities in Gaza would meanwhile do well to reflect on the content of Israeli summer camp programmes – such as those detailed in a 2019 article appearing on Israel’s CTech technology news site: “Fun and Games and Shooting Down Enemy Planes”, in which we are told that, in Israel, the “new trend in summertime fun is military-themed summer camps and courses”.

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  It bears mentioning that Israeli summer camps without explicit military themes often incorporate some sort of military aspect, too. The website of a certain “Israel Extreme” camp, for instance, advertises activities such as water sports, paragliding, Israeli army base visits, and spelunking – in that order. The camp’s staff, it is specified, all “served in the military’s special forces”.

  Of course, the fact that even spelunking should effectively be militarised is hardly surprising in a country where, as Haim Bresheeth-Zabner rigorously documents in his book, An Army Like No Other, “military service starts before birth” and the army is the “centre of Israeli existence”.

  In other words, Palestinian kids learning how to “protect themselves while peering around walls” sounds rather benign in comparison.

  https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/8/2/whos-afraid-of-hamas-summer-camps

   

[mahmood8726]

15 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Yes, this is the wrong way to go about it, most people don't know that Zionists come in other faiths besides Judaism and most Zionists are atheist like Theodor Herzl. Just because you see more and more people express the sentiment, does not mean that it is right.

I never said it was.

15 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

The majority does not always represent the truth and it is illogical thinking to justify a belief/assumption on appealing to the majority. Shias understand this better than any other group of people. If somebody wants to look up Islam, 90% of the websites will be biased towards Sunni sources.

I never justified this beleif system, I told you what they think themselves so you can understand where they're comming from.

15 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Again, this is an illogical mindset, when dealing with dishonesty, the last thing people should do is assume that everything is a lie . Because once they start assuming that "they lie about everything", that is when paranoia and the justification of being vindictive comes in and paranoia is never logical or based in fact, it is just assumptions and emotional reactions. 

Trust me, I'm fully aware they're not being logical with this mindset, I even stated it. However what I was trying to say is that these people with this mindset are not necessarily being vindictive, they're just having their coping mechanism when faced with copious amounts of dishonesty, they start having trust issues. Is it a good mentality to have? No. Is it understandable? Yes. Are they necessarily going to be vindictive and horrible people with this mindset? Not really, they're just being stupid.

15 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

The cold, hard fact is that Hamas captured women and children to use as ramson for their fighters

This has been throughly debated on palestine-israel forum, but incase you missed it. Yes hamas captured mostly israeli non combatants and some children with their families so that they could be exchanged with the overwhelming number of innocent people Israel has detained in their concentration camps and tortured/ra*ed on a daily basis. No, hamas did not do it for their fighters solely, this is heavily dishonest or ignorant, I don't think hamas has female or 12 year old fighters in the west bank.

15 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

and unleashed Israeli genocide on innocent Palestinian people.

No offense, but this is wrong on so many level, this mentality that Palestinians forced their abuser to unleash their savagery on them, it's a ridicilous mentality. It's Israel's responsibility to not behave in a savage manner, if they can't do that, it's not hamas fault. If Palestinians waited, they would have been wiped by the abraham accords.

15 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

That in itself is unacceptable and horrible to do both peoples. And Hamas still hasn't returned the captives, so Israel will continue to commit carnage and war crimes in Lebanon and Gaza.

That's a very naive take, considering Israel plans to not leave Gaza and to stay there permanently wether the hostages are returned or not. Israel itself told you they aren't leaving and will build ethnic colonies on top of the bones, blood and flesh of Palestinians in Gaza. Theyre even planning on building a third permanent axis in gaza.

Israel is the same one who stayed in Lebanon after the Palestinians agreed to their demands and kept slaugthering Palestinians in Lebanon and kept killing Palestinian children in our own villages and kept torturing and ra**ing people from our villages with the help of collaborators. Have you not learned anything from Israel's behaviour over the last 85 years? 

 

 

on a side note

Have you not read history and seen how opressed people resorted to attrocities in times of desperation? Why are you acting as if any of us justifies this? We're comming from a place of understanding, we don't justify this behaviour.

Edited November 12 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

10 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

How do you know what Hamas' intentions were? Is it? If you have a colonist and ultranationalist country like Israel with the mindset of taking land because its theirs by "blood" and you willingly put your people in danger by provoking said country, it is not self-defense or jihad. It is giving the oppressor more reasons to continue oppressing and justification in their perverse actions. 

Palestinians are always in danger, Israel has bombed Gaza preemptivley before, israel has killed over and over again hundreds in the west bank for stupid reasons, Israel will always have a reason.

They had 0 reason to stay in Lebanon, yet continued to stay there and treat us like subhumans. They have 0 reason to be in so many places in the Westbank yet they stay, they're tyrants, they don't need a reason, they will find one if they don't have one. Even the wars of 2006 in Lebanon, they were planning to attack Lebanon preemptivley and hezb kidnapped 3 of their soldiers before they could.

10 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Israel was never about Judaism but the Jewish identity as an nationalist state based on Jewish ethnicity. Why do you think Zionists use and weaponize accusations of antisemitism to silence people who criticize their genocide against the Palestinian people? Because if you take away their "right" to Palestine by blood, then the Zionists have no justification for their war crimes or their evil ideology. 

Yes they have, they will find one, they always did. I urge you to look at their behaviour in the past.

 

This argument that an opressed people should just do nothing so as to not give israel a justification to mass murder their people is ridicilous, it's insane. Especially a people being starved and beseiged for 18 years now, it's nuts to expect them to do nothing and allow Israel to behave like an animal. This is an idealistic way of thinking and I'm trying to not be offensive.

As a matter of fact, if you do nothing, Israel gets emboldened and starts behaving even worse. What happened when they killed sayed hassan nassrallah? They thought they had destroyed hezb, what did they do? They did their humiliation ritual on beiruit by bombing beiruit in a savage manner never seen before since 2006. The more hezbollah did not respond to their strikes on beiruit by striking on tel aviv, the more Israel's started behaving in an unhinged manner. This is a fact.

 

If hamas didn't do what they did in the past 17 years, the west bank would have looked far worse and Gaza.

 

As a side note, do I think hamas attack on oct 7 was entirely rational? No, i think they should have thought it out more, but as a guy who isn't being beseiged and starved in their area and isn't routinely killed such as in 2018 when their peaceful demenstrators got shot and isnt being threatened existentially with the abraham accords, I won't pretend like I know what I would have done, I'm not going to be idealistic here.

Edited November 12 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

9 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam Hamas has captured women & men which some of them have been teen agers not defenseless children which in zionist MSM propaganda all of teen agers have been called as defenseless children while according to zionist standards these so called children (teenagers) could carry guns as trained soldiers by IDF also teaching of using guns & hating arabs is common procedure of zionists for education of their children since childhood which as teenagers who received pre-military trainings since childhood so then  they can join IDF in order to initiate killing of Palestinians as teenagers  ; which Zionist call their pre-military camps for youth as "Gadna"program  under guise of counter terrorism while they are accusing Hamas to training children to became terrorist according to zionist standards. 

Hamas video appears to show release of woman, two children

In a statement, the Qassem Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas, said the woman was an Israeli national.

“An Israeli settler and her two children were released after they were detained during the clashes,” said the statement, according to a report by the AFP news agency.

Al Jazeera’s Hoda Abdel-Hamid, reporting from West Jerusalem, said the Israeli media is treating the video with a “pinch of salt”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/11/hamas-video-appears-to-show-release-of-woman-two-children

Give your son the experience of a lifetime at the Caliber 3 Summer Military Camp!
 

The Caliber 3 Summer Camp is a one-of-a-kind 4-week summer program in Israel for boys aged 15-17. 

Camp activities include:

Krav Maga
First Aid
Fitness Training
Navigation & Survival
Learning about Zionism & Jewish History
Sports
Paintball
Touring Israel
Shooting safety & skills
Leadership Training

 

The program is run in a modern-orthodox atmosphere with 3 kosher meals a day, daily minyanim and special Shabbat activities. Campers from all backgrounds are welcome.

https://www.caliber3range.com/israel-teen-summer-camp

 

Krav Maga (pronounced KRAHV muh-GAH, which means “contact combat” in Hebrew) is a simple, aggressive, easy-to-learn and easy-to-remember system of self-defense. Krav Maga training focuses on principles rather than techniques because no two attacks are ever the same. No two people are the same. And, in fact, the same person confronted with a certain threat will react differently one day compared to another day.

 

https://www.kravmagatraining.com/about/what-is-krav-maga/

 

Israel's Unique Pre-Military Training Course | FULL EPISODE | Insights on TBN Israel

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These youth programs seem to be rare in Israel, i urge not to beleive this kind of stuff. This is the same nonsense israel spreads about hamas or hezb saying they train 10 year old when these documentaries or claims are not based on reality. 

[mahmood8726]

6 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

That's a very naive take, considering Israel plans to not leave Gaza and to stay there permanently wether the hostages are returned or not. Israel itself told you they aren't leaving and will build ethnic colonies on top of the bones, blood and flesh of Palestinians in Gaza. Theyre even planning on building a third permanent axis in gaza.

Israel is the same one who stayed in Lebanon after the Palestinians agreed to their demands and kept slaugthering Palestinians in Lebanon and kept killing Palestinian children in our own villages and kept torturing and ra**ing people from our villages with the help of collaborators. Have you not learned anything from Israel's behaviour over the last 85 years? 

 

 

on a side note

Have you not read history and seen how opressed people resorted to attrocities in times of desperation? Why are you acting as if any of us justifies this? We're comming from a place of understanding, we don't justify this behaviour.

@Gaius I. Caesar forgot to mention, if this sounded harsh it wasn't my intention to be harsh, it was just a blunt opinion. As for assuming you thought we justified all of hamas actions, then I assumed wrong, i didn't fully read or see your post which indacted you didn't claim I fully supported them, so sorry for that accusation.

 

I also forgot to add that we will obviously heavily disagree on if what hamas did on oct 7, was even 1% rational, or "worth it", you probably think this will lead to nowhere, whilst I don't, which will ultimatley where we both differ here. 

Edited November 12 by mahmood8726