Isn't it time to stop all this sectarianism?!

[StrangerInThisWorld]

Salamun 'alaykum,

our brothers and sisters are getting slaughtered left and right and all some people can do is to show hatred towards other Muslims due to some differences in their school of thought. 

The issue doesn't even stop here! Some of these people are happy that the oppressors have killed Muslims that they disagree with! 

Let no one try to fool himself! Allah ta'ala is the Most Just and your secterian ideas will not lead to your salvation, but rather to the opposite! 

And if someone says "but look what they did in Syria and Iraq", then the answer is: And did you forget what people from the opposing side did there?! Or is it that you're blind to your own faults and only see the faults of one side? 

5:8
يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ كُونُوا۟ قَوَّٰمِينَ لِلَّهِ شُهَدَآءَ بِٱلْقِسْطِ ۖ وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَـَٔانُ قَوْمٍ عَلَىٰٓ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا۟ ۚ ٱعْدِلُوا۟ هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَىٰ ۖ وَٱتَّقُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ خَبِيرٌۢ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ ٨

O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allāh, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allāh; indeed, Allāh is [fully] Aware of what you do.

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[Guest Shia flower]

Unfortunately this is the reality on the ground, I’m a Shia Muslim and when Sayyed Nasrallah was killed, all Sunnis locally started celebrating. Shops give away sweets for free, they even held prayers for Ayatollah Khamenei to be next and Iran becoming Sunni ruled. This is a common thing among many Sunnis, for them Shias are the biggest evil, none else. 
 

 

[Abu Nur]

The sectarism is always there because these people are nothing but the followers of Mu’awiyah and Yazid. Observe how they acted towards Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام) after Imam Husain (عليه السلام) was martyred. They have no insight so they can not even realized by themselves their hatred and wrongdoing.

The narrations about righteous army who will help the Palestinians have been already manifested but because these people have no insight they still think that it is yet to come. They don't understand that righteous are those who exactly follow justice and help the weak ones when they call for help and yet they don't even know what is Justice.

Palestinians called for help and no one responded from the Ummah except the people of resistance.

[Ashvazdanghe]

4 hours ago, Guest Shia flower said:

d, all Sunnis locally started celebrating. Shops give away sweets for free, they even held prayers for Ayatollah Khamenei to be next and Iran becoming Sunni ruled. This is a common thing among many Sunnis, for them Shias are the biggest evil, none else. 

Salam respectfully it's not common between all Sunnis which even Sunnis have mourned for martyrdom Sayed Hasan Narollah (رضي الله عنه) although radical anti shia groups likewise remnants of Daesh/ISIS & wahabis  in some  regions specially Idlib,Syria  have celebrated it .

[realizm]

Please read the comments section and see there is hope. 

It's a post not a video.

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxYcawIeqU-Gpbj-AubiwcndfXtGTkW7fI?si=0k20IH26G9t1g2LR

 

[Abu Nur]

3 hours ago, realizm said:

Please read the comments section and see there is hope. 

It's a post not a video.

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxYcawIeqU-Gpbj-AubiwcndfXtGTkW7fI?si=0k20IH26G9t1g2LR

 

Alhamdulillah, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) have awakening many people and it seems that the Wahhabi/Salafi sectarianism and Liberalist/Secularist influence is decreasing. I pray that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will unite us and help to destroy the tyrant and oppressors Israel and US:

And why would you not fight in the cause of God, and the helpless men, and women, and children, cry out, "Our Lord, deliver us from this town whose people are oppressive, and appoint for us from Your Presence a Protector, and appoint for us from Your Presence a Victor."‌ Qur'an 004075

 

[Abu Nur]

I just want to add something. Sectarianism is always mixed with politics when it does not even belong to politics, the enemy always use it to weaken a potential strength. In reality even the Sunni Khulafa controlled people by sectarianism and the mentality of follow the Jama'ah. This is why I still believe that people will still hesitate about this issue, because we really need to teach the lay people that everyone have their own differences and you can not just hate and attack others because of their differences.

The main culprit of this Shia-Sunni hatred comes from the concept of Adl' Of Sahaba. This concept is very toxic because even the Sahaba themselves disagreed, hated and fought each other. They even innovated, forgot part of Sunnah. When you teach that everyone must love the sahaba and you see Shias disagree with some of them, then you will see hatred developing in their hearts.

[mahmood8726]

On 9/29/2024 at 8:38 PM, Guest Shia flower said:

Unfortunately this is the reality on the ground, I’m a Shia Muslim and when Sayyed Nasrallah was killed, all Sunnis locally started celebrating. Shops give away sweets for free, they even held prayers for Ayatollah Khamenei to be next and Iran becoming Sunni ruled. This is a common thing among many Sunnis, for them Shias are the biggest evil, none else. 
 

 

No it's not, a lot of the sunnis I saw had their hearts shattered when they heard he was martyred. These videos from idlib are mostly caricatured by the pro israel tyrant ghoulani, they prepared these pics and videos to spam them on the internet in the case sayed hassan nassrallah was martyred.

 

As for your sunnis locally, this is anecdotal evidence, not reflective of all sunnis.

Edited October 15, 2024 by mahmood8726

[StrangerInThisWorld]

On 10/15/2024 at 2:05 PM, Abu Nur said:

I just want to add something. Sectarianism is always mixed with politics when it does not even belong to politics, the enemy always use it to weaken a potential strength. In reality even the Sunni Khulafa controlled people by sectarianism and the mentality of follow the Jama'ah. This is why I still believe that people will still hesitate about this issue, because we really need to teach the lay people that everyone have their own differences and you can not just hate and attack others because of their differences.

Agreed, politics play a huge role in this. There are obviously other reasons like some issues that some or maybe even many Sunnis or Shi'a may teach ('Adl al-Sahaba is a good example - and additionally it lead to not learning from the mistakes of the past - but the same is true for exaggerated and undifferentiated criticism of Sahaba - where everything is interpreted in the worst possible way -  by some Shi'a). 

 

What I think is important here is to be witnesses in justice (as the Aya quoted in the first post states), even if it means to acknowledge that a mistake has happened from one's own group and to stop viewing one's own group as infallible.

I will give an example: Lots of Sunnis and Shi'a used the situation in Iraq after its invasion as a proof against each other, while in reality it's a proof against whosoever from both groups committed injustice against people belonging to a different Madhhab and also a proof against the very people, who used the situation back then against each other, because they failed to be just and to acknowledge that injustice had happened not just from one side, but rather from both sides. 

Injustice is wrong no matter who commits it and no matter against whom. If we were to accept this honestly, then a lot of problems concerning sectarianism would be solved and Muslims would be in a much better situation today. 

[Guest A Display Name]

On 10/16/2024 at 1:49 AM, mahmood8726 said:

No it's not, a lot of the sunnis I saw had their hearts shattered when they heard he was martyred. These videos from idlib are mostly caricatured by the pro israel tyrant ghoulani, they prepared these pics and videos to spam them on the internet in the case sayed hassan nassrallah was martyred.

 

As for your sunnis locally, this is anecdotal evidence, not reflective of all sunnis.

So when it comes to Sunnis celebrating the death of Nasrallah the video evidence is all pre-manufactured by the evil perfidious Jeewz and when it comes to our members own direct experience its a mere isolated incidence which proves nothing?

[Abu Nur]

14 hours ago, Guest A Display Name said:

So when it comes to Sunnis celebrating the death of Nasrallah the video evidence is all pre-manufactured by the evil perfidious Jeewz and when it comes to our members own direct experience its a mere isolated incidence which proves nothing?

We need to admit that there are two camps of Sunnis right now, those who curse and hate us and those who want to unity with us in this struggle.

[StrangerInThisWorld]

6 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

We need to admit that there are two camps of Sunnis right now, those who curse and hate us and those who want to unity with us in this struggle.

The first group are short-sighted and mostly brainwashed into hating Shi'a.

The Mashayikh who brainwash their followers into hating fellow Muslims are in reality Shayatin.

In contrast there are Mashayikh who call their followers towards goodness and are far away from causing hatred between Muslims. A person who was like this was the Shaykh Abu Bakr al-Mashhur. I still have huge respect for him (despite not being Sunni anymore). 

[StrangerInThisWorld]

17 hours ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

In contrast there are Mashayikh who call their followers towards goodness and are far away from causing hatred between Muslims. A person who was like this was the Shaykh Abu Bakr al-Mashhur.

I've noticed that Mashayikh whose lineage goes back to the Ahl al-Bayt (peace be upon them) with certainity (like for example the above mentioned Shaykh) are usually far less sectarian than many other Mashayikh from the same Madhhab. They also tend to care much more for ALL Muslims and oppressed people and not just people belonging to their own group. 

And this seems to have always been the case. Take Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq, who had students from different Madhahib. Or take Imam Zayd, who had even support by Sunni scholars such as Abu Hanifa. This shows that the A`imma of Ahl al-Bayt were much more open towards all Muslims and cared for the well-being of the Umma as a whole. 

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2024 by StrangerInThisWorld

[Panzerwaffe]

When will Shias learn that Sunnis don’t want unity 

I’m so tired of these appeals to unity 

[StrangerInThisWorld]

19 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

When will Shias learn that Sunnis don’t want unity 

I’m so tired of these appeals to unity 

What would you suggest as a solution? 

I personally believe that the idea that one attains salvation simply by belonging to a specific school of thought (which unfortunately is what majority of today's groups teach) is one of the reasons for the problems we see today. 

This idea leads to a sectarian mindset and also to not trying to be God-fearing, because it falsely makes people believe that their sectarian affiliation is enough for salvation. 

Allah ta'ala has not promised paradise EXCEPT to the people of Taqwa. If one understands this, then one will not rush into oppressing people with different ideas (because this indicates lack of Taqwa in the first place). 

[AbdusSibtayn]

23 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

When will Shias learn that Sunnis don’t want unity 

I’m so tired of these appeals to unity 

There are some Sunni scholars who are actually pro- Unity in words and deeds though. 

The late Sheikh Buti and his circle of students. 

The Ba Alawi family of Yemen. 

The late Maulana Ishaq, and Maulana Tariq Jamil in Pakistan. 

One might argue that they are a minority, but they do exist nonetheless. 

[guest 2025]

Well the London/British Shias aren't helping things by ragging on the Sahaba and wives of the Prophet. I talked to one of them and he was saying disgusting things about Khamenei, Khomeini, and even Nasrallah (رضي الله عنه). He compared them to Salahuddin (helped Palestine but was still bad), he was like "How do you even know they're good?"

And I don't want to repeat the shameless things he said about the Palestine situation. Absolutely useless people who only know how to sit down and talk trash about the Sunni's revered figures. They point blank say they don't want unity with Sunnis.

I'm not blaming them for all this disunity. Trust me even if we named our sons Abu Bakr and Umar the nasibis would still not unite with us, but it is so disgusting that there is a minority of Shias who are so misguided. And who sabotage our attempts to build bridges. Thank God they are a very small minority.

I just can't wait until Imam Mahdi (عليه السلام) gets his hands on them.

Edited October 20, 2024 by guest 2025

[Panzerwaffe]

On 10/20/2024 at 1:12 PM, AbdusSibtayn said:

There are some Sunni scholars who are actually pro- Unity in words and deeds though. 

The late Sheikh Buti and his circle of students. 

The Ba Alawi family of Yemen. 

The late Maulana Ishaq, and Maulana Tariq Jamil in Pakistan. 

One might argue that they are a minority, but they do exist nonetheless. 

You are right brother there are some scholars like you mentioned and shaykh Yahya ninowy 

sorry if I was too skeptical but you have to admit general rank and file Sunnis don’t feel that way 

they are only  pro Shia when Shia are anti Israel or anti white /west 

 

[Panzerwaffe]

On 10/20/2024 at 1:10 PM, StrangerInThisWorld said:

What would you suggest as a solution? 

I personally believe that the idea that one attains salvation simply by belonging to a specific school of thought (which unfortunately is what majority of today's groups teach) is one of the reasons for the problems we see today. 

This idea leads to a sectarian mindset and also to not trying to be God-fearing, because it falsely makes people believe that their sectarian affiliation is enough for salvation. 

Allah ta'ala has not promised paradise EXCEPT to the people of Taqwa. If one understands this, then one will not rush into oppressing people with different ideas (because this indicates lack of Taqwa in the first place). 

Shia need an independent approach to their policies wrt Sunni world , don’t try to make their enemies YOUR enemies 

because Sunni will like nothing better to make their 2 biggest enemies fight ( west and Shias ) 

learn from Shia safavi empire arguably the most successful Shia project thus far 

[Panzerwaffe]

On 10/20/2024 at 2:02 PM, guest 2025 said:

Well the London/British Shias aren't helping things by ragging on the Sahaba and wives of the Prophet. I talked to one of them and he was saying disgusting things about Khamenei, Khomeini, and even Nasrallah (رضي الله عنه). He compared them to Salahuddin (helped Palestine but was still bad), he was like "How do you even know they're good?"

And I don't want to repeat the shameless things he said about the Palestine situation. Absolutely useless people who only know how to sit down and talk trash about the Sunni's revered figures. They point blank say they don't want unity with Sunnis.

I'm not blaming them for all this disunity. Trust me even if we named our sons Abu Bakr and Umar the nasibis would still not unite with us, but it is so disgusting that there is a minority of Shias who are so misguided. And who sabotage our attempts to build bridges. Thank God they are a very small minority.

I just can't wait until Imam Mahdi (عليه السلام) gets his hands on them.

I don’t agree with this either 

abusing Sunni figures is a luxury only Shia in west can afford, safe under white mans laws. 
 

this is a great dis service to Shias living in Sunni majority countries  as they become victim of the reprisals 

my suggestion is Shia ignore the Sunni world and purse their independent policies without feeling the compulsion to be more loyal to the “ Islamic causes “ than Sunnis 

Edited October 22, 2024 by Panzerwaffe

[Abu Nur]

On 10/20/2024 at 9:10 PM, StrangerInThisWorld said:

Allah ta'ala has not promised paradise EXCEPT to the people of Taqwa. If one understands this, then one will not rush into oppressing people with different ideas (because this indicates lack of Taqwa in the first place). 

عِدَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ سَهْلِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ أَسْبَاطٍ عَنْ أَبِي الْحَسَنِ الرِّضَا ع أَنَّ أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ص كَانَ يَقُولُ‏ طُوبَى لِمَنْ أَخْلَصَ لِلَّهِ الْعِبَادَةَ وَ الدُّعَاءَ وَ لَمْ يَشْغَلْ قَلْبَهُ بِمَا تَرَى عَيْنَاهُ وَ لَمْ يَنْسَ ذِكْرَ اللَّهِ بِمَا تَسْمَعُ أُذُنَاهُ وَ لَمْ يَحْزُنْ صَدْرَهُ بِمَا أُعْطِيَ غَيْرُهُ.

Amir al Mu’minin has said, ‘Paradise is for those who maintain sincerity in worshipping Allah and in their supplications. Whatever they see does not occupy their heart. Whatever they hear does not make them forget the remembrance of Allah and they do not feel depressed because of what is given to others.’”

[Abu Nur]

And don't forget the disgusting Madkhalis:

 

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 10/22/2024 at 6:40 AM, Panzerwaffe said:

I don’t agree with this either 

abusing Sunni figures is a luxury only Shia in west can afford, safe under white mans laws. 
 

this is a great dis service to Shias living in Sunni majority countries  as they become victim of the reprisals 

my suggestion is Shia ignore the Sunni world and purse their independent policies without feeling the compulsion to be more loyal to the “ Islamic causes “ than Sunnis 

Their spit-and-run trigger games are rooted in the modern Western concept of freedom of blasphemy and ridiculing religion and religious figures, which took root after the 'Enlightenment' and secularization. They have nothing to do with the orthodox Twelver ideas and etiquette regarding tabarra. 

[realizm]

On 10/20/2024 at 7:38 PM, Panzerwaffe said:

When will Shias learn that Sunnis don’t want unity 

I’m so tired of these appeals to unity 

You are talking about the ignorant/the petromuslims/the nasibis. They will always insult us, rejoice over our calamities and slander us.

We do not care about uniting with them either. 

What we care about is being united with those who respect us, are just, and share our oppression. 

When you think about the sunnis who do not like us, do you think about oppressed Muslims ? I guess you think about ignorant masses who heard this heard, in their mosque-restaurant-whatsapp videos routine. We despise them like they despise us. Fair play.

But other Muslims who want to see an end to Palestinian oppression and see Hezbollah as a companion in arm whom you can rely on after all despise all the filth that has been said, then we must be willing to consider unity with them. 

Sayid Hassan (r) never spoke well about Al Saud, he even confessed they had tried to assassinate him before, yet he always called for respect to sunni Islam because there are people amongst them who are not arrogant.

[The Green Knight]

When you see a "Hanafi" spreading hatred it means they are a Saudi Arabia sponsored doctrine follower, a Western sponsored religion made post WW1. Or one originating in India, also British sponsored after the native rebellion of 1857 they created a few in 1865 to divide and rule. From the Shia side, its again the British sponsored British Shia whose scholars are also residing in Britain. All of them are full of venom and only the ignorants, Jahils will propagate all that hate against fellow humans let alone our brothers in faith.

[Abu Nur]

1 hour ago, The Green Knight said:

When you see a "Hanafi" spreading hatred it means they are a Saudi Arabia sponsored doctrine follower, a Western sponsored religion made post WW1. Or one originating in India, also British sponsored after the native rebellion of 1857 they created a few in 1865 to divide and rule. From the Shia side, its again the British sponsored British Shia whose scholars are also residing in Britain. All of them are full of venom and only the ignorants, Jahils will propagate all that hate against fellow humans let alone our brothers in faith.

I believe it is Israel, US who push Saudis to sponsor these lunatics. But right now there is possible shift if the Master US is declining and these puppets are realizing that US can not benefit them in long run anymore. If Trump wins, I don't know what magic he will try to use to bring these puppets back to the old track such that they will not lean to BRICS. Saudis, till this day are going back and forwards, can not decide will they join BRICS or not, still doubting which side to follow, this is exactly what they really are, disgusting sons of Muawiyah who will only join those who can benefit them most, even if it is Shaytan himself.

[Sabrejet]

On 10/20/2024 at 11:12 PM, AbdusSibtayn said:

Maulana Ishaq

This deserves a thread all on it's own. This guy was as much a friend of shias as the Banu Abbas caliphs.

[AbdusSibtayn]

3 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

This deserves a thread all on it's own. This guy was as much a friend of shias as the Banu Abbas caliphs.

I don't think this is the case. 

It is clear that he had sharp differences with our theology, but when I say 'unity' I mean he worked against sectarian hatred, consistently called for the Shi'a to be recognized as Muslims, and advocated Shi'a-Sunni cooperation. We often mistakenly assume that if someone is pro-unity, he must have sympathy for our aqeedah as well, which is not necessarily the case. We are not going to compromise on our beliefs, and it is not right to demand that others do the same if they want to cooperate with us.

In this way, his case was different from that of the 'hard' takfiris (Jihadist outfits like the Jamaat-e-Islami, the Salafi Jamaat ud-Da'wa of Hafiz Muhammad Sa'eed, Fazlur Rahman's Deobandi camp and the Barelwi TLP, who outwardly call for Muslim unity but ally with Nasibi terrorists) or the 'soft' takfirism proponents (like Ghamidi and Israr Ahmed). I don't think he belonged to this category at all. If anything, he was arguably the most tolerant Sunni scholar of Pakistan.

[Sabrejet]

18 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

I don't think this is the case. 

For starters, I'm all for unity with the laymen Sunnis and treating them with love and respect.

Their scholars, however, don't deserve this Husn e Dhann. This Maulana has very clearly rejected Imamate multiple times, and he lashed out with hostility when shown clear proofs. He has also come up with gems such as this: "If a Rafidhi asks you to prove Abu Bakr's and Umar's Islam, then ask him to prove if Ali was a Muslim", among many others.

IMO he isn't that much different than Ali Mirza. We don't need a stamp of approval from the likes of these.

[Guest Dhikr]

1 hour ago, Sabrejet said:

IMO he isn't that much different than Ali Mirza. We don't need a stamp of approval from the likes of these.

Yes both good scholars who want unity…..if it doesn’t fit your ideology then it’s clear your stamp of approval is worthless as a few Shia scholars agree with them…..keep searching for a genuine stamp kid

[AbdusSibtayn]

4 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

For starters, I'm all for unity with the laymen Sunnis and treating them with love and respect.

Their scholars, however, don't deserve this Husn e Dhann. This Maulana has very clearly rejected Imamate multiple times, and he lashed out with hostility when shown clear proofs. He has also come up with gems such as this: "If a Rafidhi asks you to prove Abu Bakr's and Umar's Islam, then ask him to prove if Ali was a Muslim", among many others.

IMO he isn't that much different than Ali Mirza. We don't need a stamp of approval from the likes of these.

I agree that he had no sympathy for our beliefs, and I also believe that his reasons for rejecting Imamat were bogus; otherwise, he wouldn't be a mukhaalif. What I am trying to say is that he did not incite sectarian hatred and violence like some others, overtly or covertly.
 

Of course we don't need a certificate from them and need not hold ourselves to their standards. But with the sectarian hatred on the rise, and our own status as a beleaguered and unpopular minority, we can either alienate all of them and watch the region turn into another Syria or Afghanistan (Parachinar has already given us a trailer of what is coming for us 10-15 years ahead), or we can choose to build bridges with the saner voices amongst them. The nasibis have taken over the state apparatus, they enjoy the government's patronage, and when the push comes to shove, these relatively more tolerant voices are going to be our allies, as they have opposed sectarian violence in the past as well. We don't have any militia to defend ourselves, and even if we did, we cannot fight everyone by ourselves. We don't have the luxury of perfect allies, and at the end of the day, the lay Sunnis are going to listen to their scholars. For all their faults and bogus polemics, people like Tahir ul- Qadri, Maulana Ishaq and Ali Mirza at least are different from those nasibi terrorists like Sipah e Sahaba and Jamaat, and have openly talked about tolerance, understanding and building bridges between sects. This is what I am trying to say.

[Panzerwaffe]

On 10/23/2024 at 2:06 PM, realizm said:

You are talking about the ignorant/the petromuslims/the nasibis. They will always insult us, rejoice over our calamities and slander us.

We do not care about uniting with them either. 

What we care about is being united with those who respect us, are just, and share our oppression. 

When you think about the sunnis who do not like us, do you think about oppressed Muslims ? I guess you think about ignorant masses who heard this heard, in their mosque-restaurant-whatsapp videos routine. We despise them like they despise us. Fair play.

But other Muslims who want to see an end to Palestinian oppression and see Hezbollah as a companion in arm whom you can rely on after all despise all the filth that has been said, then we must be willing to consider unity with them. 

Sayid Hassan (r) never spoke well about Al Saud, he even confessed they had tried to assassinate him before, yet he always called for respect to sunni Islam because there are people amongst them who are not arrogant.

You are talking about political unity ? Like joing them to hate western countries?

yes that’s possible but not because of genuine and mutual respect 

[mahmood8726]

11 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

You are talking about political unity ? Like joing them to hate western countries?

yes that’s possible but not because of genuine and mutual respect 

Most sunnis and shias are regular people who aren't hate filled venomous snakes who want to see the other sect suffer no matter what.

 

It can be done with genuine and mutual respect, most people aren't children and people who think this spend too much time in their bubbles or the internet. We can disagree heavily and have mutual respect.

Edited October 26, 2024 by mahmood8726

[realizm]

19 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

You are talking about political unity ? Like joing them to hate western countries?

yes that’s possible but not because of genuine and mutual respect 

Like joining them around core values, unicity of Allah, respect of vicinity, self determination, dignity against oppression, a traditional family model, etc.

[Panzerwaffe]

2 hours ago, realizm said:

Like joining them around core values, unicity of Allah, respect of vicinity, self determination, dignity against oppression, a traditional family model, etc.

You have all these things common with traditional Jews, and many Christians as well BUT we see them as anything, but allies

Let’s be honest, a  religious Shia  and the religious Sunni never have true unity

Or intermarriage

I do see some chance of unity between secular or irreligious Sunni and Shias