Canadian government DESTROYING all Covid mRNA jabs

[Activate your inner truth]

 

https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=294876

 

[Hameedeh]

13 hours ago, Activate your inner truth said:

 

Salam. Covid-19 vaccines must be kept frozen or refrigerated at mandated temperatures before use.

Each kind of vaccine has an expiration date, so after that date it needs to be destroyed.

A vial that is opened during the first dose must be discarded after 12 hours. 

We don't want someone to take those unused vials and inject expired vaccine into people. 

We also don't want someone to illegally sell expired vaccine to people and they get cheated, paying money for an expired, useless vaccine. 

Destroying a vaccine is not a conspiracy; it's a necessity. 

[Hasani Samnani]

Now I know a sister Hameedah always means well and always has the best interest of our community at heart. 

However, I would urge some caution,  especially if we're administrators, in making statements that may be or may not be factually correct or without some kind of documentary proof.

Trained healthcare staff don't inject expired vaccines and are required to check the date of any medication or formulation being injected.

One of the real reason the Covid-19 vaccines are being destroyed is documented below.  The big pharma contractual obligations require Canada to destroy the millions of bought and paid for doses,  expired or not,  and expiry on covid vaccines is usually 2 to 3 years.....In order to be able to buy new vaccines.....and not before.

Additionally DNA contamination,  and serious and deadly side effects from the old covid vaccines which  was rapidly approved in less than a year, instead of the normal 5 to 7 yr approval process and phase 1 to 5 studies and post marketing surveillance of small target groups,  these vaccines were rushed by big pharma with terrible secretive and manipulative contracts written while people were scared and fear mongering  was rampant, all to make obscene profits for pharma companies,  off of mostly ignorant populations, companies in bed with corrupt politicians.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10452662/

Spikeopathy’: COVID-19 Spike Protein Is Pathogenic, from Both Virus and Vaccine mRNA

abstract: The COVID-19 pandemic caused much illness, many deaths, and profound disruption to society. The production of ‘safe and effective’ vaccines was a key public health target. Sadly, unprecedented high rates of adverse events have overshadowed the benefits. This two-part narrative review presents evidence for the widespread harms of novel product COVID-19 mRNA and adenovectorDNA vaccines and is novel in attempting to provide a thorough overview of harms arising from the new technology in vaccines that relied on human cells producing a foreign antigen that has evidence of pathogenicity. This first paper explores peer-reviewed data counter to the ‘safe and effective’ narrative attached to these new technologies. Spike protein pathogenicity, termed ‘spikeopathy’, whether from the SARS-CoV-2 virus or produced by vaccine gene codes, akin to a ‘synthetic virus’, is increasingly understood in terms of molecular biology and pathophysiology. Pharmacokinetic transfection through body tissues distant from the injection site by lipid-nanoparticles or viral-vector carriers means that ‘spikeopathy’ can affect many organs. The inflammatory properties of the nanoparticles used to ferry mRNA; N1-methylpseudouridine employed to prolong synthetic mRNA function; the widespread biodistribution of the mRNA and DNA codes and translated spike proteins, and autoimmunity via human production of foreign proteins, contribute to harmful effects. This paper reviews autoimmune, cardiovascular, neurological, potential oncological effects, and autopsy evidence for spikeopathy. With many gene-based therapeutic technologies planned, a re-evaluation is necessary and timely.

Now as detailed above if you made a proven shoddy product, just like auto manufacturers who make dangerous cars , they want the evidence destroyed. 

COVID Vaccines Don’t Prevent Transmission, Severe Illness or Deaths, Data Shows.

All we have to do is look at high-quality epidemiological data to get to the truth — COVID-19 vaccines aren’t preventing COVID or its transmission, and they aren’t preventing severe illness or death

“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death — they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

 

Walensky may have believed the vaccines prevented severe illness and death then — but she cannot possibly believe that now.

Now we have nearly 16 months of observation and what have we found? What has Walensky’s CDC revealed that contradicts her glib patter?

While there are thousands of articles discussing COVID-19 vaccines, I have come to agree with professor Tom Jefferson that in order to arrive at the truth, all we need to look at are epidemiological data of very high quality.

We want raw, official data, before it has been subjected to adjustments or algorithms that “smooth” the data.

We want large populations.

We want the most solid endpoints, such as hospitalizations or death.

Information on 30 million adults in California and New York, three-fourths of whom were vaccinated, were used to compare COVID hospitalization and case rates in those who were vaccinated and had no prior COVID illness, with adults who were never vaccinated but had recovered from COVID, and presumably had natural immunity.

The data were collected from June to November 2021, before the Omicron wave appeared.

Vaccinated Californians and New Yorkers were three times more likely to develop COVID than those who had prior immunity and were unvaccinated.

Vaccinated Californians had a higher rate of hospitalizations (severe illness) than those who were unvaccinated but had prior immunity. (New York did not provide hospitalization data.)

The vaccine failures in this huge study with vaccinated continually getting reinfected.

The UK data from its Office of National Statistics, published March 16, extend from Jan. 1, 2021, through Jan. 31, and include both the Delta and Omicron waves.

The data have been age-standardized. The database includes 86% of all deaths in England (which has a population of 56 million) during the 13 months described.

However, over last December and January (corresponding to the Omicron wave), COVID death rates in the doubly vaccinated but unboosted were higher than in those who had never been vaccinated. This was true for the population as a whole.

If you break down the deaths by age group, the vast majority of COVID deaths occurred in the over-70 population.

While deaths from COVID in younger people were trending up as the time since vaccination increased, by Jan. 31, 2022, they had not exceeded COVID deaths in the unvaccinated.

 

Boosters did appear to “top up” COVID immunity for a time in all age groups, reducing death rates. But only for a few weeks.

What is the bottom line?

High-quality, official data obtained on more than 30 million American adults and 48 million residents of England incontrovertibly reveal that:

ALLAH (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) given Natural immunity was three times better at preventing cases than vaccination alone, even before Omicron.

Natural immunity was somewhat better at preventing serious illness, measured as hospitalizations, than vaccination alone, even before Omicron.

Boosters (a third shot) reduced the death rate in England of those vaccinated against Omicron, but the benefit was starting to drop off by January 2022.

Overall, England’s unvaccinated population had a lower COVID death rate during the Omicron wave than the COVID death rate in its doubly vaccinated population.

Walensky and the other so-called experts are wrong. Natural immunity provided three times more protection against infection (and therefore against transmission) than did double vaccination, even before Omicron. After Omicron, vaccine efficacy was even worse. Again those who trusted Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) ...did better.... I am not surprised at all.

While vaccination provided some protection against severe illness (measured as hospitalizations) during the Delta wave, it provided less protection than natural immunity.

The vast majority of COVID deaths occur in those over 70. In this age group, the doubly vaccinated died from COVID at higher rates during Omicron than the unvaccinated

 

As for why vaccines are being destroyed is written below:

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/health-canada-orders-existing-covid-vaccines-destroyed-before-approval-of-new-vaccines

Health Canada orders existing COVID vaccines destroyed before approval of new vaccines

This leaves Canadians with no available COVID-19 vaccines until October.

Amid a significant summer COVID-19 wave, the Ontario government is withdrawing and destroying remaining supplies of existing COVID vaccines while Health Canada continues to review new ones, according to Ontario health officials. Ontario health officials say all provinces were directed to withdraw and destroy remaining XBB COVID vaccines by Health Canada.

Ontario has been told it will likely receive updated vaccines in October. That will leave Ontario and other provinces with no available vaccines against COVID-19 for at least a month, something that raises concern among health officials and others as people return to in-person school and work during a COVID wave.

 

In late August, Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer of Health, Dr. Kieran Moore, sent out a notice saying PHAC had issued a market withdrawal of all COVID-19 XBB vaccines in Canada to take place on Sept. 1.

The move is the result of a contractual agreement between Health Canada and vaccine manufacturers, according to government sources. New, updated vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna cannot be distributed until the remaining supply of older vaccines is withdrawn and destroyed, Ontario’s Ministry of Health says. The new vaccines offer better protection against the COVID-19 strains currently circulating than the previous vaccines.

 

I can provide more receipts and medical literature to prove any points o have made. But trying to avoid being a paste and copy machine...whether pasting and copying tweets, or off the tangent extraneous information.

Edited September 19 by Hasani Samnani

[JannahLM]

2 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

Salam. Covid-19 vaccines must be kept frozen or refrigerated at mandated temperatures before use.

Each kind of vaccine has an expiration date, so after that date it needs to be destroyed.

A vial that is opened during the first dose must be discarded after 12 hours. 

We don't want someone to take those unused vials and inject expired vaccine into people. 

We also don't want someone to illegally sell expired vaccine to people and they get cheated, paying money for an expired, useless vaccine. 

Destroying a vaccine is not a conspiracy; it's a necessity. 

This. I'm sick of the anti-vaccine rhetoric. Vaccines save lives and that's a scientific fact. We'd still have polio epidemics if it wasn't for vaccines. Heck, some diseases that are vaccine preventable are beginning to make comebacks, all thanks to anti-vaxxers. It makes me furious. We have gone so backwards as a society.

[Hameedeh]

2 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Now I know a sister Hameedah always means well and always has the best interest of our community at heart. 

Thank you.

2 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

However, I would urge some caution,  especially if we're administrators, in making statements that may be or may not be factually correct or without some kind of documentary proof.

Yes, I am not a doctor and I don't have statistics or proof of numbers. However, did you read the link posted by the OP? I was opposing what was written there. It is supposedly a "news" blog written by an anonymous person called tts-admin, who is too scared to admit his/her own name, yet claims that the Canadian government is destroying all existing vials of Covid-19 vaccines because those lifesaving vaccines caused people to die or injured them and created forever symptoms, even calling the nurses and doctors who gave the shots "mass murderers who knew exactly what they were doing when they pushed these toxic jabs on the populace." 

[PureExistence1]

20 hours ago, JannahLM said:

This. I'm sick of the anti-vaccine rhetoric. Vaccines save lives and that's a scientific fact. We'd still have polio epidemics if it wasn't for vaccines. Heck, some diseases that are vaccine preventable are beginning to make comebacks, all thanks to anti-vaxxers. It makes me furious. We have gone so backwards as a society.

Umm, i think vaccines that have bern around for like 70 years have proven themselves. Covid vaccines have not.

[JannahLM]

2 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

Umm, i think vaccines that have bern around for like 70 years have proven themselves. Covid vaccines have not.

 

Covid vaccines have saved lives. No, they didn't prevent people from getting Covid, but they made severe outcomes far less likely.

[PureExistence1]

2 hours ago, JannahLM said:

Covid vaccines have saved lives. No, they didn't prevent people from getting Covid, but they made severe outcomes far less likely.

And how many kids ,young adults and others has it killed or maimed for life?

[Abu Nur]

21 hours ago, JannahLM said:

This. I'm sick of the anti-vaccine rhetoric. Vaccines save lives and that's a scientific fact. We'd still have polio epidemics if it wasn't for vaccines. Heck, some diseases that are vaccine preventable are beginning to make comebacks, all thanks to anti-vaxxers. It makes me furious. We have gone so backwards as a society.

There are good vaccine because they have been develop and studied for long time and then there are those that have been develop in rush which are always doubtful. Covid is in the category of rush one and it may have helped some, but knowing that evil people were behind of their development and funding will always make you doubt.

[Hasani Samnani]

20 hours ago, JannahLM said:

I'm sick of the anti-vaccine rhetoric. Vaccines save lives and that's a scientific fact. We'd still have polio epidemics if it wasn't for vaccines. Heck, some diseases that are vaccine preventable are beginning to make comebacks, all thanks to anti-vaxxers. It makes me furious.

I apologize for disturbing your benighted deep slumber. You are kindly request to go back to sleep and ignore the adults having a science based discussion. 

The moment you start arguing with an ignorant fool, you have already lost.

Imam Ali (عليه السلام).

I will not argue who those who make broad medical pronouncements with things with no medical references,  who spout uneducated big pharma propaganda like it's truth, and have never done a pubmed search or have no medical training, or have done no research themselves before allowing themselves to  be injected with frankly unproven and in all honesty untested compounds, I don't count pharma sponsored research designed to quickly sell a fake panacea.

As a Canadian I will refer you to your own doctors and scientists.  This is a video made by a group of over 500 medical doctors, scientists and health care providers regarding the harm of certain covid vaccines and how doctors were purposely misled on the data In order force vaccinate people.

https://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-COVID-19-Inoculations-More-Harm-Than-Good-REV-Dec-16-2021.pdf

If you dont want to watch the whole video , you can just skim thru the Data, the refrences in this powerpoint like pdf. It is meticulously researched with extensive medical references and full refrences to Pfizer and their own data.

Data that was lied about before it came out , and when it did come out the companies Pfizer specifically said yes they may have used fraudulent data, and it could be illegal normally,  but since the US govt accepted it knowing the fraud,  it makes it legal. 

It's okay I was in your boat at one time, before I started medical school at McGill University,  I also was extremely pro-vax believed all vaccines were beneficial and pushed my wife to make sure all our children were heavily vaccinated and up-to-date on every vaccine. It was one of my Pediatrics professors who actually turned me on to investigating further and more deeply into vaccines and their supposed beneficial effects. He of course was not against all vaccines but was against vaccinating at too early and age when the immune system was still under developed. He was actually a very religious Jewish person, orthodox in fact,  and felt that God had provided babies and children with a functioning competent immune system and if we try to alter that immune system there would be consequences that we could not control. 

We have seen this with HYPER IG4 response to Covid Vaccines,  where people become partially immunosuppressed and much more susceptible to other infectious agents, they get repeate bouts of Covid...( like Joe Biden who has now gotten Covid 3 times after the vaccine) and also disturbing T cell immune responses which are the cells which fight aggressive cancers, making those who received these vaccine much more prone to very aggressive cancers. See reference below. 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/

3 hours ago, JannahLM said:

Covid vaccines have saved lives. No, they didn't prevent people from getting Covid, but they made severe outcomes far less likely.

So this is partially true for those who received the vaccine, IF...BIG IF..  it stayed fully Intramuscular and none of it leaked or leeched into the endothelial system or vascular system.

Unfortunately that is a very small subset of people. Additionally the vaccine worked for only one subtype of virus and only lasted on average for 4 weeks. That data only came out after a lawsuit and forced disclosures.

That's why one of the hard and fast rules of Immunology and infectious disease,   is that you never ever vaccinate during a pandemic because there are too many subtypes that you will miss and you will end up making people much more susceptible to severe infections and much more susceptible to new subtypes. Additionally you will force the vaccine the virus to mutate to avoid immune surveillance.

Remember the US govt, Canadian govt and every govt and pharma companies have never ever lied about anything and and if you don't accept that you're just a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Now Back to your fitful slumber ,once  again sorry for disturbing your sleep, you can go back to counting SHEEPLE....... that's a pun.

 

[Hasani Samnani]

19 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

 However, did you read the link posted by the OP? I was opposing what was written there. It is supposedly a "news" blog written by an anonymous person called tts-admin, who is too scared to admit his/her own name, yet claims that the Canadian government is destroying all existing vials of Covid-19 vaccines because those lifesaving vaccines caused people to die or injured them and created forever symptoms, even calling the nurses and doctors who gave the shots "mass murderers who knew exactly what they were doing when they pushed these toxic jabs on the populace." 

I did read the OP referenced news item.

I will say that I have learned to trust certain individuals and momineen on Shia chat regarding many issues, some on medical issues or regarding a news items. @Activate your inner truth is in my mind, one one of those momins.

As far as Anonymous individuals you have to remember that many doctors have to write anonymously,   because their colleague have lost their medical licenses, only to win their lawsuits, or have been threatened with loss of licensure, loss of income, loss of status, loss of privileges in a hospital for mentioning negative comments regarding the covid vaccine.

I remember even getting cited negatively even on Shia chat for mentioning a certain doctor who had made certain claims regarding the covid vaccine, ( he was proven correct in court, was a former colleague of mine in Michigan   and is the most published Cardiology Doctor in the world. ) He was temporarily suspended and subsequently won his lawsuit against the Texas Medical board once his claims were investigated by other physicians. See Allah allows the truth to come out eventually despite people being unjustly slandered or defamed.

Foe those who have experienced serious side effects from the vaccine, fortunately there are ways to detox from the vaccine. ALLAH (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) in his infinite Mercy towards his creation "has provided a cure for every disease" as is written in the Hadith.

Edited September 20 by Hasani Samnani

[Hasani Samnani]

14 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

even calling the nurses and doctors who gave the shots "mass murderers who knew exactly what they were doing when they pushed these toxic jabs on the populace." 

So as I extensively referenced with Canadian Covid Care Alliance and the harms caused by Covid vaccines and more importantly many many doctors and nurses were lied to about the MRNA vaccines, the pharmacokinetics, pharmacodistribution, side effects, number of deaths in the farcical trials  etc. Many doctors and nurses were as much victims as the poor uneducated vaccine recipients...since those recipients trusted their providers and those providers trusted proven liars.

So I don't call my colleagues mass murderers.... but if they researched and studied presented real data ( as anyone should before making a medical recommendation, thats why every health commercial must say Ask your Doctor before....X) and .......

If they then still encouraged people to get the vaccine then May Allah Have Mercy On Your Soul and your akhira.  They may have permanently harmed someone's health, sentenced some to early death, aggressive cancers or deadly side effects. If a Muslim harms another Muslim.... the harmed Muslim must first forgive before ALLAH (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will forgive.

[Hasani Samnani]

I have one final question for any person who on either shiachat.com or any other website recommended that people must be covid vaccinated or should get covid vaccinated.

Now according to the CDC by this time 2024 you should have gotten six doses of covid vaccine including the boosters and including the new xbb1 subtype booster to be up to date on covid immunizations.

HAVE YOU DONE THAT?

So all you Covid vaccines advocates please be truthful, or I may search thru shiachat  and see who did the hard core Covid Vaccine pushing, deleted subjects found to be subsequently true, called other conspiracy theorists or anti-vaxxers. Have anyone of you actually gotten 6 doses or at least two initial shots and one booster and now the newest bivalent vaccines, because the minimum is 4 in 2023 and 5 in 2024.

Also according to the CDC and not me but you should have also vaccinated all of your children 0 -6 yrs old , 6-12 yo and 12 -18 yo.

HAVE YOU DONE THAT?

I am curious to know who are the hypocrites and who are the true believers. Who openly lies and who is willing to tell the truth if they were willing to force/push/cajole/demand the vaccine on others who were naturally hesistant.

If you have not gotten the recommended dosing regimen then Islamically you should not be pushing anyone to do something you have not done yourself.

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لِمَ تَقُولُونَ مَا لَا تَفْعَلُونَ ٢ كَبُرَ مَقْتًا عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَن تَقُولُوا۟ مَا لَا تَفْعَلُونَ ٣

SURA 61 AYATS 2-3

(61:2) Believers, why do you profess that which you do not practise?

(61:3) It is most loathsome in the sight of Allah that you should profess what you do not practise.

It maybe time for serious astaghfar for possibly harming others and doing things considered loathsome by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

Lucky for all for us that Allah's capacity for mercy, forgiveness, repentance and love is Infinite, Alhamdulillah. 

Edited September 20 by Hasani Samnani

[JannahLM]

4 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

And how many kids ,young adults and others has it killed or maimed for life?

Exactly none. Covid has killed far more than the vaccine has.

[PureExistence1]

14 minutes ago, JannahLM said:

Exactly none. Covid has killed far more than the vaccine has.

Please show your sources so i can see who funded them.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

6 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

There are good vaccine because they have been develop and studied for long time and then there are those that have been develop in rush which are always doubtful. Covid is in the category of rush one and it may have helped some, but knowing that evil people were behind of their development and funding will always make you doubt.

^ This is the same excuse/logic used by people who believe that autism caused by vaccines and Andrew Wakefield is somehow unfairly persecuted by the UK government and double down on and insinuate when parents have a child with autism. Just switch "autism" with "COVID" and that is this comment.  I wonder who these "evil people" are that developed Pfizer, Modena and J&J vaccines are? 

^ See my comment to Hasani Sammani almost a year ago, correlation does not equal causation. To say otherwise is false logic. Vaccines do not and never caused COVID-19, Autism, Hepatitis B, etc. It is a lie to benefit to benefit fear-mongers and criminals, the very idea that vaccines kill people has always been a scam and illogical bunk. As I said in the past, it is pointless to let threads like this exist. There is already enough misinformation on the internet. If somebody believes the world is a conspiracy, then they see conspiracies everywhere they go, even in something as mundane as disposing expired vaccines.

Edited September 20 by Gaius I. Caesar

[Haji 2003]

On 9/18/2024 at 10:13 PM, Hasani Samnani said:

Now as detailed above if you made a proven shoddy product, just like auto manufacturers who make dangerous cars , they want the evidence destroyed. 

It does not really work that way. A dangerous car is recalled, as are foods that may have been found to have contaminants. It's not a matter of 'destroying the evidence' but one of public safety.

Anyone who wants to can keep a sample for posterity!

And you can do the same with the vaccine, if you want to.

[Hasani Samnani]

3 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

 

3 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

very idea that vaccines kill people has always been a scam and illogical bunk

 

Well it looks like you are accusing @Haji 2003 of committing a scam and arguing illogical bunk. He admitted that the Covid vaccine would end up killing some people, and every medical professional knows that all vaccines can kill people and many do.

Even the Pfizer vaccine phase 1 trial showed that 20 trial participants in the vaccine arm died.

  But yeah @Gaius I. Caesar you be you, and remain in your bubble of straw man arguments,  ad hominem  attacks and cognitive dissonance. It will be safer for you,  because you are never able to quote any studies or medical literature in humans when making any of your specious and fallacious arguments.

 Seriously brother, I am truly concerned about your mental stablity and well being.  You may need a neurocognitive and neuro degenerative examination with advanced Neuroimaging  to be done to make sure you are not having memory recall  and cognitive deficits.

@Gaius I. Caesar said : "Meaning unless the mother has a diet high in additives, HFCS and has a genetic disposition to Asperger's or Autism, a child cannot get ASD from a vaccine, they are born with the condition. It just so happens that HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) has been proven to cause inflammatory responses in the human body and we inherit our gut microbiome."

From the mouse paper he quoted : " It would be reasonable to infer and assume that HFCS has a similar effect on the gut biome and fetal brain development, therefore increasing levels of IL-17a if a mother has a diet high in HFCS. " 

So @Gaius I. Caesar tried to argue that high fractose corn syrup since it was high in the  American diet it would explain the autism Epidemic  ( 1 in 30 children diagnosed , from the 80s when it was 1 in 1000).

After I destroyed his argument and I pointed out that this fallacious theory was based on a single mouse study  that only showed gut inflammation and had nothing to do with a neuro degenerative/neurodevelopmental disorder like autism, he then fell back with well I am not a medical professional.

Edited September 20 by Hasani Samnani

[Activate your inner truth]

10 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

I will say that I have learned to trust certain individuals and momineen on Shia chat regarding many issues, some on medical issues or regarding a news items. @Activate your inner truth is in my mind, one one of those momins.

@Hasani Samnani thank you for your kind words. I'm grateful  to be learning from yourself and those who are searching for truth here,  this helps me to make sense in my journey. 

[Haji 2003]

2 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Now both @Gaius I. Caesar and @Haji 2003 mentioned the doses and brands of Covid-19 vaccines they  proudly received in 2021,  but I don't see you guys answering my question asked above.

Whenever my GP calls me to take a jab, I go. Pretty sure the last time was earlier this year.

Children have gone whenever the doctor has asked them to. 

In the uk priority groups are the elderly and those with medical conditions.

[Hasani Samnani]

29 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

In the uk priority groups are the elderly and those with medical conditions

As is reasonable for those who feel the benefits outweighs the harms.

30 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Whenever my GP calls me to take a jab, I go. Pretty sure the last time was earlier this year.

Children have gone whenever the doctor has asked them to. 

I'm sorry that doesn't quite answer the question  and is frankly a little vague in terms of real numbers. The question is are you up to date on the covid vaccines,  meaning have you had five including the newest 2024 xbb1 variant jab?

 If so which ones have you had , at last count in 2021,  you  mentioned you had two AstraZeneca( the one which was pulled off the market and refused in other European countries because of severe thrombotic side effects ), and one Pfizer if I remember correctly ?

How many and which brands since then.

Which brands have the kids gotten?

I think if people advocated for certain medical therapies they should be more transparent so that people possibly taking their advice are assured that they are not just mindlessly advocating for others and holding themselves and their fanilies  to different standards.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

3 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

This is called a straw man argument, no one in any chat said this, and no one believes this, exceptnin @Gaius I. CaesarCaesar's mind ,  who makes up fake arguments and finds imaginary people to argue with, it  reminds me of Don Quixtote who charges windmills imagining them to be marauding knights.

^ A classic example of strawmaning, ad hominen and projection, all packed and wrapped neatly with a bow. Don Quixtote imagined the windmills to be giants attacking with spinning arms, which is an apt description of the mindset of anyone who thinks vaccines cause people to die or get autism or a government conspiracy. Noble but ultimately misguided and driven mad by romance of conspiracy theories.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

8 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

How many and which brands since then.

I got the Moderna vaccine, full dose and if there's a severe outbreak, I will take XBB1 covalent vaccine. My grandfather  got the Pfizer, full dose as well. We did not experience any debilitating side effects from either, alhamdullillah.

[Hasani Samnani]

8 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

I got the Moderna vaccine, full dose and if there's a severe outbreak, I will take XBB1 covalent vaccine. My grandfather  got the Pfizer, full dose as well. We did not experience any debilitating side effects from either, alhamdullillah.

Full dose would be two shots, and then 3 boosters/bivalent options. So it looks like you are not following the CDC guidelines and it sounds like you don't even know the guidelines and are just winging it, like most uninformed persons.

Sound like you are deficient and so is your grandfather and you are subjecting him to possible Covid death. Since you and your family are not up to date, I would suggest please kindly stop advocating things to others  that you don't follow,  as the Quranic Ayat from SURA 61 says, this is loathsome to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

Edited September 20 by Hasani Samnani

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 minute ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Brother please seriously,  you need to get examined by a doctor I would suggest ASAP.  You seem to have a problem with reading, and reading is fundamental so therefore first respond to actual things that were said with some type of proof or documentation, if that's not possible then just stay out of the argument and debate

I would take medical advice from you, but you quit before taking residency and choose to believe conspiracies and accounts of anonymous people. Did you specialize in neurocognitive therapy yourself? I don't think so.

11 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

I would suggest stop advocating things that you don't follow,  as the Quranic Ayat from SURA 61 says, this is loathsome to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

Thank you, likewise I would advise  you to consider and heed this ayah of Surah Hujurat: يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ إِن جَآءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌۢ بِنَبَإٍۢ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓا۟ أَن تُصِيبُوا۟ قَوْمًۢا بِجَهَـٰلَةٍۢ فَتُصْبِحُوا۟ عَلَىٰ مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَـٰدِمِينَ ٦

You should ascertain these anonymous "reports" online and consult professional sources before believing, accepting and pedaling them to people who are unaware, instead of faking your concern for my well-being, that is would be a more beneficial usage of your time. 

[Hasani Samnani]

FOR non arabic readers, SURA Al Hujurat Ayat 6 says : O believers, if a Fasiq brings you any news, verify ˹it˺ so you do not harm people unknowingly, becoming regretful for what you have done.

On 9/20/2024 at 10:01 AM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

consult professional sources

Again stop childishly and churlishly projecting , I verified my sources and have provided non medical people like you with medical literature sourced references...multiple times, you have not once. So again you constantly say things which you don't do yourself. You have verified nothing and are most definitely harming other Muslims with ignorance,  and Allah will then make you regretful for your actions.

Again don't do what is loathsome to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) by professing what you don't do yourself.

On 9/20/2024 at 10:01 AM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

you quit before taking residency

Uhhhhh where did you get this ridiculous lie...I completed 5 yrs of Residency and 3 separate fellowship for total of 8 yrs of post graduate training, after 4 years of medical school and 4 yrs of undergrad as a molecular biology major, including Ivy league schools.... All thru Allah's great mercy and grace, and my parents duas. My father is also a physician,  as is my brother. Many on dads maternal side were always healers or health care practitioners of some sort and people approached them from far and wide for medical and spiritual healing.

..your medical knowledge comes from.....? Your education? Maybe you should prove  what you know, what you have studied,  before nonsensically spouting off.

I have and still treat many Covid positive pts  in the ICU and came up with new effective protocols ( with my colleagues) to save lives.

I also have to perform  biopsies and sometimes break the bad news about an aggressive cancer. I am currently, as part of a group,  researching the effect of IG4 hyper responses after Covid Vaccines and the effect on immune suppression toward malignant cells. 

[Mod Note: Personal insult against another member was removed.]

Edited September 24 by Hameedeh
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[Gaius I. Caesar]

11 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

I'm happy to debate science with like minded educated individuals,  but if faced with childish rants...then I will suggest  the possibility of mental and cognitive stunting which require intensive psychological and religious counseling to solve your clearly evinced psychological and emotional issues. I would not be surprised if this a genetic trait you unfortunately inherited or maybe it's too much HCFS that caused your neurodegeneration ...that was your theory....no ??

Unfortunately, for that theory, I don't have a mental condition and you aren't a neurologist. You studied pharmacology, work in an ICU and treat cancers but that doesn't mean you are qualified to diagnose me with neurological or cognitive conditions or immune to online propaganda/conspiracies. At the most, you could write me a referral, still feigning concern for my mental health as a way to dismiss what I am saying is a real slimeball move. You understand and know that vaccines expire and that it is standard procedure to dispose of expired medicine and it is not a government coverup, right? Even I can understand that without a medical background. 

29 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Again stop childishly and churlishly projecting , I verified my sources and have provided non medical people like you with medical literature sourced references...multiple times, you have not once.

You mean the chart you screenshotted from a random Telegram server, that you are most definitely mispresenting and misinterpreting with your biases? That's a definitely a reliable source.  The only person here acting like a child, insulting and doubling on their nonsense is you and the only reason you are angry with me is because I don't buy the conspiracies and I see through your intentions. That is the behavior of a fasiq with ulterior motives. 

Nobody needs a medical education or license to know that you aren't interested in scientific discussions or prove that you are writing a bunch of antivaccine nonsense and fearmongering. The arguments against the COVID vaccine are verbatim the same arguments as the MMR vaccines causing autism. Don't think for a second that I didn't notice and make the connection. It's okay to admit that you are wrong.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

53 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

You think that glorification of mushriks is something to be admired in self professed shia Muslim. 

^ I don't glorify mushirks, if I did, I wouldn't be in Shiachat. 

56 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Also I don't take the name of idol worshippers as my avatar and plaster the face of a famous idolater on a Shia website. It's frankly quite incongruent. You could think of no Muslim leaders you respect, maybe one of imams or their  esteemed companions.

I know better than to use the self-portrait of a Turkish Sufi posing as the Imams (عليه السلام) ^

[samy]

Peace and blessings to you all,

I think now is the best time to forgive one another. Reading all this, I'm starting to feel hurt, sorry to both sides. In my opinion, I think you're all dancing to the tune of the greatest deceiver of them all. How the deceiver can use the "truth" to corrupt us all. This virus and drug, really did a number on brothers, sisters, families, friends and neighbours.

If we can get back to talking to each other in a manner we would like to be talked to, that would be so nice. May the good Lord guide us all.

[mahmood8726]

On 9/18/2024 at 11:43 PM, JannahLM said:

This. I'm sick of the anti-vaccine rhetoric. Vaccines save lives and that's a scientific fact. We'd still have polio epidemics if it wasn't for vaccines. Heck, some diseases that are vaccine preventable are beginning to make comebacks, all thanks to anti-vaxxers. It makes me furious. We have gone so backwards as a society.

The government's fault that people are anti vaxxers, 90% their fault. They should be more transparent, more honest and stop imposing censorship everytime someone disagrees with them when it comes to this subject.  Don't forget these are the same governments lying to you 24/7 about Israel, etc... People in iran for example didn't hesitate to take their vaccines as much, you didn't see them go online and spread anti vaxx stuff 24/7. 

Telling people to get angry at ignorant peasants who are anti vaxxers is not the solution. 

Edited September 20 by Hussein999

[mahmood8726]

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Unfortunately, for that theory, I don't have a mental condition and you aren't a neurologist. You studied pharmacology, work in an ICU and treat cancers but that doesn't mean you are qualified to diagnose me with neurological or cognitive conditions or immune to online propaganda/conspiracies. At the most, you could write me a referral, still feigning concern for my mental health as a way to dismiss what I am saying is a real slimeball move. You understand and know that vaccines expire and that it is standard procedure to dispose of expired medicine and it is not a government coverup, right? Even I can understand that without a medical background. 

In his field they learn how to read medical studies, even if he's not fully qualified, he still has more qualifications than most of us on this.  Does this mean one needs qualifications to know if this is a coverup? I don't think so.

 

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

You mean the chart you screenshotted from a random Telegram server, that you are most definitely mispresenting and misinterpreting with your biases? That's a definitely a reliable source.  The only person here acting like a child, insulting and doubling on their nonsense is you and the only reason you are angry with me is because I don't buy the conspiracies and I see through your intentions. That is the behavior of a fasiq with ulterior motives. 

Nobody needs a medical education or license to know that you aren't interested in scientific discussions or prove that you are writing a bunch of antivaccine nonsense and fearmongering. The arguments against the COVID vaccine are verbatim the same arguments as the MMR vaccines causing autism. Don't think for a second that I didn't notice and make the connection. It's okay to admit that you are wrong.

not necessarily, I have seen many differences between their arguments. The new MRNA vaccines do have problems that need to be addressed, I even had discussions with or watch people who specialize on this kind of stuff speak about this subject, I even spoke to my doctor about this. Many do have concerns when it comes to these new vaccines because they are still new, even 3 years later. Many of them are very angry at how both sides politicized this, they're disappointed in all of you guys.

 

The problem with this discussion is you have people who take one or the other side, when the truth is more or less in the middle, there are issues with these vaccines, but on the other hand, a lot of conspiracies on the covid vaccines are plain stupid. 

Edited September 20 by Hussein999

[mahmood8726]

2 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Actually I did specialized neurological and neurosurgical training and part of that training we were taught to perform neurocognitive assessments.

Try again.

There is no need for this sassiness and arrogance akhi.

2 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Also I don't take the name of idol worshippers as my avatar and plaster the face of a famous idolater on a Shia website. It's frankly quite incongruent. You could think of no Muslim leaders you respect, maybe one of imams or their  esteemed companions.

You think that glorification of mushriks is something to be admired in self professed shia Muslim. 

I don't think he glorifies mushriks, this is a big leap if it's about his pfp and name.

[JannahLM]

15 minutes ago, Hussein999 said:

The government's fault that people are anti vaxxers, 90% their fault. They should be more transparent, more honest and stop imposing censorship everytime someone disagrees with them when it comes to this subject.  Don't forget these are the same governments lying to you 24/7 about Israel, etc... People in iran for example didn't hesitate to take their vaccines as much, you didn't see them go online and spread anti vaxx stuff 24/7. 

Telling people to get angry at ignorant peasants who are anti vaxxers is not the solution. 

Just because they're lying about Israel it doesn't mean they're lying about vaccines. The science is consistent on these things. I'll trust epidemiologists and virologists on these things over some average joe on the internet.

[Hasani Samnani]

25 minutes ago, JannahLM said:

Just because they're lying about Israel it doesn't mean they're lying about vaccines

Yes because the same US GOVT never lies about medical issues.

Like the time they were caught giving syphilis to African Americans, or the Govt who lied about their highly active bioweapons programs aimed at creating race or country specific  disease. Use of agent orange on their own miltatry and Vietnamese civilians.  Or they "accidently " sprayed radioactive material on entire American communities or exposed them thru atomic testing...these are things which were leaked and the the govt was forced to publicly applogize for. Are you just willfully ignorant? But you're right we should whole heartedly trust every govt officials, they never ever lie.

They even gave chemical weapons to Saddam and trained him and his military to use them against Iran and shias and kurds in Iraq. 

There is a a whole military level 5 biohazard facility called Fort Detrick, MD which holds the world most lethal pathogens where they actively perform bioweapons research. This is not theory, this is public sphere knowledge, and acknowledged by the govt.

Imam Khomeini called them Shaytan e buzurg. Ayatullah Khameini warned against using the Western vaccines because of the potential of purposely altered preparations to hurt the Muslims.

Are the two leaders of Iran conspiracy theorists or they have experience dealing with the Western govts and their two faced nature. 

The Gaza slaughter house and the horrible civilian attacks in Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq and Syria have laid open western hypocrisy and their own evil natures.

An American influencer said the other day if the Israeli publicly showed chemical Gas executions of Muslims,  the US congress would cheer and would punish those who didn't cheer.

Edited September 20 by Hasani Samnani

[mahmood8726]

20 minutes ago, JannahLM said:

Just because they're lying about Israel it doesn't mean they're lying about vaccines. The science is consistent on these things. I'll trust epidemiologists and virologists on these things over some average joe on the internet.

You missed my point. I'm making the point that people have trust issues, which is understandable. The government has a responsibility too, getting angry at ignorant peasants who are slaving away in jobs is not smart. 

 

Ps., the government isn't always 100% honest when it comes to medical issues either, they politicize certain things too.

Edited September 20 by Hussein999