What is the Islamic understanding of "The Messiah"? 1 or more than 1?

[Guest Psi]

I'm going through an interesting case where I'm unsure as to what is the Islamic definition of a Messiah.

I'm beginning to understand the reasoning behind the support of Jesus (عليه السلام) being God, the Trinity, and Original Sin Doctrine the Christians espouse despite its irrationality in general.

It all hinges on the Christian understanding of Messiah where Jesus (عليه السلام) fulfilled 3 offices of Messiahship: Prophet, Priest, and King. What Christians believe in is the theology of Mono-Messianism when it comes to Jesus (عليه السلام) as not just The Messiah, but The One and Only Messiah, The Seal of All Messiahs before him. Similar to how Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is the Seal of All Prophets before him.

Historically, under Judaism the idea of The Messiah holding all 3 offices has never been a general consensus where there were many Messiahs before Jesus and they never hold all 3 offices at unison. And for the interest of Christians when reading the Tanakh of the Jews and how many Messiahs came before Jesus where none of them hold all 3 offices at the same time, it would stand to reason that the office of both King and Priest are polar opposite offices.

One can be a Messianic Prophet and a Priest? Sure look at Prophet Isaiah (عليه السلام). One can be a Messianic Prophet and a King? Sure look at Prophet David (عليه السلام) and Prophet Solomon (عليه السلام).

How can there be such a thing as a Messianic Prophet that is both a Priest and a King? Isn't this equivalent to Nimrod (Namrood) reasoning where he claims to Abraham, "I am justice where I give life and bring death. I am LifeGiver and DeathBringer given how I am Just."

I think this is a question that some Christians think about and hence that's where they attempt to reconcile the issue by saying Jesus is God along with the Trinity and Original Sin Doctrine to maintain that Mono-Messianism theological position of Jesus fulfilling the 3 offices of Messiahship: Prophet, Priest, and King. But most importantly on the notion that Jesus is both a Messianic Priest and Messianic King at the same time.

However, what about Poly-Messianism? Wasn't that a theological discourse within Judaism at some point when it came to the Jews understanding of The Messiah?

So what I'm trying to understand is the Islamic definition (both Sunni and Shia) of Messiah. Jesus (عليه السلام) is The Messiah that is self-explanatory in The Quran and the Quran furthermore chastises the Christians and Jews to not commit excess in their religion where they are re-interpreting the theology when it comes to the definition of Messiah where you must be God in order to be The Messiah along with other definitions.

However, is Jesus (عليه السلام) The One and Only Messiah that is the question? Or is there another entity alongside Jesus who is also The Messiah just as much as him?

I've been reading a bit on Shia Hadith Literatures where The Mahdi (عليه السلام) will judge the people like Prophet David (عليه السلام) and Prophet Solomon (عليه السلام) have judged their people. There's also another Hadith narration where a congregation prayer commences (aka Friday Prayer). Jesus (عليه السلام) will pray behind The Mahdi (عليه السلام) during this congregation prayer. When The Mahdi (عليه السلام) asks Jesus (عليه السلام) to lead the congregation prayer since He's The Messiah, Jesus (عليه السلام) will decline the offer to The Mahdi (عليه السلام) where The Mahdi (عليه السلام) will lead the congregation prayer.

What does this mean? Is The Mahdi (عليه السلام) also The Messiah just as much as Jesus (عليه السلام)? Does The Mahdi (عليه السلام) have Bani-Israeli ancestry similar to that of a Judean (Yahoodi)?

[Borntowitnesstruth]

6 hours ago, Guest Psi said:

I'm going through an interesting case where I'm unsure as to what is the Islamic definition of a Messiah.

I'm beginning to understand the reasoning behind the support of Jesus (عليه السلام) being God, the Trinity, and Original Sin Doctrine the Christians espouse despite its irrationality in general.

It all hinges on the Christian understanding of Messiah where Jesus (عليه السلام) fulfilled 3 offices of Messiahship: Prophet, Priest, and King. What Christians believe in is the theology of Mono-Messianism when it comes to Jesus (عليه السلام) as not just The Messiah, but The One and Only Messiah, The Seal of All Messiahs before him. Similar to how Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is the Seal of All Prophets before him.

Historically, under Judaism the idea of The Messiah holding all 3 offices has never been a general consensus where there were many Messiahs before Jesus and they never hold all 3 offices at unison. And for the interest of Christians when reading the Tanakh of the Jews and how many Messiahs came before Jesus where none of them hold all 3 offices at the same time, it would stand to reason that the office of both King and Priest are polar opposite offices.

One can be a Messianic Prophet and a Priest? Sure look at Prophet Isaiah (عليه السلام). One can be a Messianic Prophet and a King? Sure look at Prophet David (عليه السلام) and Prophet Solomon (عليه السلام).

How can there be such a thing as a Messianic Prophet that is both a Priest and a King? Isn't this equivalent to Nimrod (Namrood) reasoning where he claims to Abraham, "I am justice where I give life and bring death. I am LifeGiver and DeathBringer given how I am Just."

I think this is a question that some Christians think about and hence that's where they attempt to reconcile the issue by saying Jesus is God along with the Trinity and Original Sin Doctrine to maintain that Mono-Messianism theological position of Jesus fulfilling the 3 offices of Messiahship: Prophet, Priest, and King. But most importantly on the notion that Jesus is both a Messianic Priest and Messianic King at the same time.

However, what about Poly-Messianism? Wasn't that a theological discourse within Judaism at some point when it came to the Jews understanding of The Messiah?

So what I'm trying to understand is the Islamic definition (both Sunni and Shia) of Messiah. Jesus (عليه السلام) is The Messiah that is self-explanatory in The Quran and the Quran furthermore chastises the Christians and Jews to not commit excess in their religion where they are re-interpreting the theology when it comes to the definition of Messiah where you must be God in order to be The Messiah along with other definitions.

However, is Jesus (عليه السلام) The One and Only Messiah that is the question? Or is there another entity alongside Jesus who is also The Messiah just as much as him?

I've been reading a bit on Shia Hadith Literatures where The Mahdi (عليه السلام) will judge the people like Prophet David (عليه السلام) and Prophet Solomon (عليه السلام) have judged their people. There's also another Hadith narration where a congregation prayer commences (aka Friday Prayer). Jesus (عليه السلام) will pray behind The Mahdi (عليه السلام) during this congregation prayer. When The Mahdi (عليه السلام) asks Jesus (عليه السلام) to lead the congregation prayer since He's The Messiah, Jesus (عليه السلام) will decline the offer to The Mahdi (عليه السلام) where The Mahdi (عليه السلام) will lead the congregation prayer.

What does this mean? Is The Mahdi (عليه السلام) also The Messiah just as much as Jesus (عليه السلام)? Does The Mahdi (عليه السلام) have Bani-Israeli ancestry similar to that of a Judean (Yahoodi)?

First of all, we have to settle the meaning of Messiah. The actual meaning of Messiah which Jews take is that one who is related to Prophet David and one who will both be a prophet and priest. However, what the world generally takes the meaning is of a world savior. I also would like to point out one mistake in your understanding of a prophet that a prophet no matter whatever profession he observes, his first duty is to spread the message of truth and remind people of his covenant to God which is preaching itself and worldly duties are off-shoot of his main duty. Thus, Prophet David was both King and preacher. However, he also did many other roles at different times such as a Jurist, a general, a Judge, a son, a father, a husband and so on.  If you read the Quran, you will come across a verse which speaks about Nation of Queen Saba who used to be polytheist, when this news reached to Prophet Solomon whom we call as Prophet Suleiman, he invited them towards truth which is what a preacher would do. So, you see despite being a king, his first priority was to summon them towards God. Same was the role adopted by Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP).

In Islam, the meaning of world savior in the end times is related to Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام), although he will not be from the line of Prophet David but from the line of Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP). However, it is narrated that his mother was related to Simon peter, a disciple of Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام). In Islamic teachings, he is promised to be both leader and preacher of divine message and he will bring peace to the world and established a just society.

[Guest Psi]

2 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

First of all, we have to settle the meaning of Messiah. The actual meaning of Messiah which Jews take is that one who is related to Prophet David and one who will both be a prophet and priest. However, what the world generally takes the meaning is of a world savior. I also would like to point out one mistake in your understanding of a prophet that a prophet no matter whatever profession he observes, his first duty is to spread the message of truth and remind people of his covenant to God which is preaching itself and worldly duties are off-shoot of his main duty. Thus, Prophet David was both King and preacher. However, he also did many other roles at different times such as a Jurist, a general, a Judge, a son, a father, a husband and so on.  If you read the Quran, you will come across a verse which speaks about Nation of Queen Saba who used to be polytheist, when this news reached to Prophet Solomon whom we call as Prophet Suleiman, he invited them towards truth which is what a preacher would do. So, you see despite being a king, his first priority was to summon them towards God. Same was the role adopted by Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP).

In Islam, the meaning of world savior in the end times is related to Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام), although he will not be from the line of Prophet David but from the line of Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP). However, it is narrated that his mother was related to Simon peter, a disciple of Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام). In Islamic teachings, he is promised to be both leader and preacher of divine message and he will bring peace to the world and established a just society.

Thanks for your input. In Judaism however, their understanding of Messiah means The Anointed One where the person is anointed either by God or a High Priest within the Temple of the sacred oil to fulfill a specific objective. I'm not entirely sure if Jews actually believe in the "Savior" meaning when it comes to Messiah since that is more of a Christian theological claim.

Furthermore, when reading the genealogy of Jesus (عليه السلام) that is found in the Gospel of Matthew and Luke, they are in contradiction to each other when it comes to both Jesus and Mary (عليه السلام) being descended from Prophet David (عليه السلام). Both of these Gospels fail miserably given the contradictions where Joseph is not Jesus's biological father. And Mary (عليه السلام) being a Priestess serving in the Levite Temple prior to Jesus (عليه السلام) along with her cousin Elizabeth who is of Levite descent is not befitting of her stature as being of Davidic descent. This means Jesus (عليه السلام) is of Levite descent. Not Davidic. And neither is his mother Mary (عليه السلام) given her role as a priestess in the Levite Temple.

Being a King and Being a Priest are two completely distinct offices that are polar opposites. So how can there be such a thing as a Priest King? That has never been the case historically when observing Bani-Israeli history. Their governance was always a King ruling over their people and a Priest serving as an advisor to the King along being a mediator between the people and God.

Either The Mahdi (عليه السلام) is also The Messiah just as much as Jesus (عليه السلام) is or Jesus (عليه السلام) is The Messiah being this Priest King, but given the Shia Hadith Literatures he will relinquish his Messianic King title and pass it to The Mahdi (عليه السلام) while maintaining his Messianic Priest role. Jesus (عليه السلام) lived his entire livelihood as an Ascetic Levite Priest. In the Gospel of John 18:36 Jesus (عليه السلام) is claiming his kingdom is not from this world, but from another place which is not befitting of what a Messianic King should be claiming where the whole point is to establish a kingdom in this world.

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 8/30/2024 at 6:38 PM, Guest Psi said:

Being a King and Being a Priest are two completely distinct offices that are polar opposites. So how can there be such a thing as a Priest King? That has never been the case historically when observing Bani-Israeli history. Their governance was always a King ruling over their people and a Priest serving as an advisor to the King along being a mediator between the people and God.

Salam this is fabrication of history by Jews because their enmity with their prophets specially their enmity with prophet David (عليه السلام) & prophet Suleiman (عليه السلام) who they have been both prophet & king or as you have mentioned "Priest King" which Allah has shown that is possible although of denying it by Jews which they have tried to separate rule of king & priest in order to control both of them in their favor which in similar fashion so called muslims have denied rule of prophet Muhammad (pbu) & Imam Ali (عليه السلام) & rest of 11 infallible Imams as so called "priest king" which this has been initiated by cursed Umayyads party since installing Abubakr as their puppet which they have separated Caliphate & Imamate in similar fashion of Jews ; which Shias had to separate rule of king (Shah ) & priest since Safavid era because they have not access to infallible Imam of their time however they have preserved "Priest King" which after Islamic revolution of Iran has been revived as Wilaya Faqih in order to prepare people for returning of Imam Mahdi (aj) who will be both Imam & Caliph (King) as ultimate priest king .

On 8/30/2024 at 6:38 PM, Guest Psi said:

Either The Mahdi (عليه السلام) is also The Messiah just as much as Jesus (عليه السلام) is or Jesus (عليه السلام) is The Messiah being this Priest King, but given the Shia Hadith Literatures he will relinquish his Messianic King title and pass it to The Mahdi (عليه السلام) while maintaining his Messianic Priest role. Jesus (عليه السلام) lived his entire livelihood as an Ascetic Levite Priest. In the Gospel of John 18:36 Jesus (عليه السلام) is claiming his kingdom is not from this world, but from another place which is not befitting of what a Messianic King should be claiming where the whole point is to establish a kingdom in this world.

This is a misunderstanding of Jesw & christians  due to fabrication in Gospels which surly prophet Isa/Jesus (عليه السلام) has called his kingdom in this world but as usual it has been distorted by Jews into a kingdom in Lalaland in order to deny his status & his divine mission .

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 8/30/2024 at 8:08 PM, Guest Psi said:

Being a King and Being a Priest are two completely distinct offices that are polar opposites. So how can there be such a thing as a Priest King? That has never been the case historically when observing Bani-Israeli history. Their governance was always a King ruling over their people and a Priest serving as an advisor to the King along being a mediator between the people and God.

Either The Mahdi (عليه السلام) is also The Messiah just as much as Jesus (عليه السلام) is or Jesus (عليه السلام) is The Messiah being this Priest King, but given the Shia Hadith Literatures he will relinquish his Messianic King title and pass it to The Mahdi (عليه السلام) while maintaining his Messianic Priest role. Jesus (عليه السلام) lived his entire livelihood as an Ascetic Levite Priest. In the Gospel of John 18:36 Jesus (عليه السلام) is claiming his kingdom is not from this world, but from another place which is not befitting of what a Messianic King should be claiming where the whole point is to establish a kingdom in this world.

As already said, the Islamic concept of Prophet and Imam are that they preach the message of God whether they are king or not. Being king does not exclude a Prophet or Imam to preach the message that is the sole reason that Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP) was both assumed the duty of a ruler as well as a preacher of divine message. And, following Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP), Imam Ali (عليه السلام) rendered similar duties as being a divinely appointed Imam and a Caliph. Having a divine advisor or a divine assistant  by the side does not mean that the job of Preaching the message now is of an advisor or assistant rather than of Prophet who is ruling over people. Hazrat Asif Barkhiya (عليه السلام) was assistant and advisor of Prophet Suleiman (عليه السلام) but he worked under his guidance and performed duties as per his instructions.

The role of Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) will be the same that is to say that their primary objective would be to establish a just society based on divine instructions. Both of them are saviors but only Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) will assume the duty of ruling over people as a Caliph. The duty of Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) will be to assist Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) as were the duties of Prophets who assisted other Prophets in their duties. 

[Abu Hadi]

On 8/30/2024 at 12:38 AM, Guest Psi said:

I'm going through an interesting case where I'm unsure as to what is the Islamic definition of a Messiah.

I'm beginning to understand the reasoning behind the support of Jesus (عليه السلام) being God, the Trinity, and Original Sin Doctrine the Christians espouse despite its irrationality in general.

It all hinges on the Christian understanding of Messiah where Jesus (عليه السلام) fulfilled 3 offices of Messiahship: Prophet, Priest, and King. What Christians believe in is the theology of Mono-Messianism when it comes to Jesus (عليه السلام) as not just The Messiah, but The One and Only Messiah, The Seal of All Messiahs before him. Similar to how Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is the Seal of All Prophets before him.

Historically, under Judaism the idea of The Messiah holding all 3 offices has never been a general consensus where there were many Messiahs before Jesus and they never hold all 3 offices at unison. And for the interest of Christians when reading the Tanakh of the Jews and how many Messiahs came before Jesus where none of them hold all 3 offices at the same time, it would stand to reason that the office of both King and Priest are polar opposite offices.

One can be a Messianic Prophet and a Priest? Sure look at Prophet Isaiah (عليه السلام). One can be a Messianic Prophet and a King? Sure look at Prophet David (عليه السلام) and Prophet Solomon (عليه السلام).

How can there be such a thing as a Messianic Prophet that is both a Priest and a King? Isn't this equivalent to Nimrod (Namrood) reasoning where he claims to Abraham, "I am justice where I give life and bring death. I am LifeGiver and DeathBringer given how I am Just."

I think this is a question that some Christians think about and hence that's where they attempt to reconcile the issue by saying Jesus is God along with the Trinity and Original Sin Doctrine to maintain that Mono-Messianism theological position of Jesus fulfilling the 3 offices of Messiahship: Prophet, Priest, and King. But most importantly on the notion that Jesus is both a Messianic Priest and Messianic King at the same time.

However, what about Poly-Messianism? Wasn't that a theological discourse within Judaism at some point when it came to the Jews understanding of The Messiah?

So what I'm trying to understand is the Islamic definition (both Sunni and Shia) of Messiah. Jesus (عليه السلام) is The Messiah that is self-explanatory in The Quran and the Quran furthermore chastises the Christians and Jews to not commit excess in their religion where they are re-interpreting the theology when it comes to the definition of Messiah where you must be God in order to be The Messiah along with other definitions.

However, is Jesus (عليه السلام) The One and Only Messiah that is the question? Or is there another entity alongside Jesus who is also The Messiah just as much as him?

I've been reading a bit on Shia Hadith Literatures where The Mahdi (عليه السلام) will judge the people like Prophet David (عليه السلام) and Prophet Solomon (عليه السلام) have judged their people. There's also another Hadith narration where a congregation prayer commences (aka Friday Prayer). Jesus (عليه السلام) will pray behind The Mahdi (عليه السلام) during this congregation prayer. When The Mahdi (عليه السلام) asks Jesus (عليه السلام) to lead the congregation prayer since He's The Messiah, Jesus (عليه السلام) will decline the offer to The Mahdi (عليه السلام) where The Mahdi (عليه السلام) will lead the congregation prayer.

What does this mean? Is The Mahdi (عليه السلام) also The Messiah just as much as Jesus (عليه السلام)? Does The Mahdi (عليه السلام) have Bani-Israeli ancestry similar to that of a Judean (Yahoodi)?

Jesus((عليه السلام)) is a Prophet according to Islam, but if you stop there most Christians will get confused. To really understand the meaning of Messiah(Meseh in Arabic) you need to understand the concept of Prophethood in Islam. 

In Islam you have the concept of Nabi: one who is in direct communication with God, from the word 'Naba' which means to announce i.e. announce to the people a communication that comes from God. In order to be a Nabi, the Nabi must 'prove his case' that he is sent by God by doing miracles because at the time of Jesus as well as today there are many who claim that they are receiving revelation directly from God and most of them are liars. So in order for the Nabi to distinguish himself from those, he must do miracles and these miracles must be relevant to the general knowledge and understanding of the people of his time. 

The time of Jesus was the time of the development of the medical sciences. The Hebrews adopted the practices of medicine from the Greeks and built on this and the practice of medicine and medical sciences was at a peak during the first century A.D. That is why many of the miracles of Jesus involved acts such as spontaneous healing (healing of the lepers, which wasn't possible at the time thru normal practices of medicine) and raising from the dead, which is not possible thru non miraculous means. These acts, when understood within the context of Islam, were not meant to prove 'Divinity' but to prove that he (Jesus) was sent by God for a certain purpose, i.e. to communicate or announce (Naba) to the people revelation directly from God. 

In Islam, there is also the concept of Rasoul (to bring a written revelation). Jesus((عليه السلام)) like some other prophets like Moses((عليه السلام)), Abraham((عليه السلام)), David((عليه السلام)), and Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) was both a Nabi and a Rasoul, i.e. he brought revelation from God in written form. The written form or book that he brought was the Injeel. There is no good translation of the word Injeel into English and some translate it as the 'Gospel' but this is a wrong translation. The Gospel in English means the books that were written by the Disciples and were included in the Bible. The Injeel is a book which is 100% direct revelation from God to Jesus((عليه السلام)) in written form. This book no longer exists amoung the people and it is with the Imam of the Age, Imam Mehdi(a.f.s). 

We believe Jesus is the Messiah, because he had a specific purpose or set of tasks which were given to him by God. The first task was 'Naba' to announce to the people the direct revelation he received from God. The second task was to bring the book which was given to him by God, i.e. the Injeel, and teach the people from this book. The third task is to be a moral and spiritual example to the people of how to live a righteous life that is pleasing to God. He fulfilled all these tasks despite the great amount of opposition he received from the Jewish priesthood and the Roman occupiers of Palestine. They conspired with each other to kill him, and he was taken up by God and saved from their plot. He will return at the end of time with Imam Mehdi(a.f.s)

[Guest Psi]

@Borntowitnesstruth, @Ashvazdanghe and @Abu Hadi

I'm afraid I'm a bit confused as to what you mean when you say I don't understand what Prophet means in Islam when in fact I do. A Prophet of God brings a revelation to the people for them to either follow or reject outright. There are two hierarchies of Prophethood: Rasul and Nabi.

Under Islamic Tradition, A Rasul > A Nabi where a Rasul brings a New Revelation from God for the people to follow while a Nabi doesn't and brings the Same Revelation from the previous Rasul for the people to follow.

Is Jesus (عليه السلام) a Nabi or a Rasul? If he was Rasul then it makes sense for him to bring in the Injeel being the same as the Torah where some laws are abrogated with better laws. Hence it is just a Torah v2.0.

However, if Jesus (عليه السلام) was simply a Nabi, then it makes no sense for the existence of Injeel as while it is the same as the Torah of the Jews, it brings the concept of abrogation of the laws within the Torah that Jews can't accept.

Jews, Samaritans, and Bani Israelis as a whole would never buy the reasoning that God's Divine Laws can be abrogated since His Laws in it of themselves are eternal, thus leaving no room for the need for abrogation (although this is indeed disputed to the point of controversial under Rabbinic Theology). Torah means The Written Law. They also have the Oral Law to follow alongside The Torah which is The Talmud.

What I think you both trying to help me understand however, is that there is an intertwined relation between Prophet, Messiah, King, Leader, Caliph, and Priest that serves as a serious distinction in Islamic Theology compared to Judaic and Christian Theology. So much so that this distinction is what makes Islam a pure religion from The Abrahamic God Himself through Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).

Under both Judaism and Christianity, being a Prophet is simply a spokesperson chosen by God, who speaks to the people on behalf of God and convey a message or teaching. This can sadly be applicable to False Prophets within the BC Era since Bani Israelis had to suffer being misguided by Prophets who claim to speak on behalf of Allah which is expressed all throughout the Tanakh especially in The Book of Jeremiah (aka Prophet Armiyah (AS)).

In Islam however, since Prophet and Messiah are intertwined this is fully realized as a person chosen by Allah, who speaks to the people on behalf of Allah, conveying a message/teaching for the purpose of salvation and for the people accepting their fate for them being ruled over by them. So a Prophet's role in Islam is no different from that of the Christian understanding of The Messiah (aka Savior). Or that of an Israelite High Priest within The First Temple fulfilling sacred teachings from Allah to the people. Or that of a King being anointed by Allah or The High Priest with the sacred oil to fulfill a specific objective.

Instead of the Jews and Christians atomistic (on top of being a reductionist, isolationist and exclusionist) approach of their understanding of Prophet, King, Priest, and Messiah which is what lead to them doing excess in their understanding of their own scriptures that the Quran chastises; Islam however maintains a holistic approach to this understanding regarding what are essentially roles/positions chosen to such people by the will of Allah. Just because David (عليه السلام) and Solomon (عليه السلام) were both Prophets and Kings for their people doesn't mean their roles couldn't have been a Priest as well along with Messiah and Imam for their people trying to guide them to the path of salvation and worship being solely exclusive to Allah alone.

Prophets of Allah were essentially everything under Islam. They were Messiahs for their people to be saved. They were Imams (Caliphs or Kings) for their people of them being ruled over by them. They were Priests teaching the people of the revelation they conveyed by the will of Allah.

However, just because a Prophet is an Imam for their people doesn't mean an Imam is necessarily a Prophet of Allah. In this case, The Mahdi (عليه السلام) while not necessarily a Prophet of Allah is The Imam (aka King, Caliph, Leader) for Humanity alongside Jesus (عليه السلام) who's role as a Prophet of Allah is served and his new purpose shall begin being an advisor to The Mahdi (عليه السلام) while still being The Messiah just as much as The Mahdi (عليه السلام) who is also The Messiah just as much as Jesus (عليه السلام).

So the reason for Imam Mahdi (AS)'s role being greater than Jesus (عليه السلام) despite both being Messiahs respectively is simply due to him being descended from Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) role is greater than Jesus (عليه السلام)?

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 9/4/2024 at 3:11 AM, Guest Psi said:

So the reason for Imam Mahdi (AS)'s role being greater than Jesus (عليه السلام) despite both being Messiahs respectively is simply due to him being descended from Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) role is greater than Jesus (عليه السلام)?

First of all, I would like to appreciate you that you have understood the concept of a Prophet and Imam in Islam. Now, in reference to above part, it is not necessarily due to relation of Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP) and Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) that Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) would be the leader rather it has to do with the Promise of Allah (عزّ وجلّ) which is narrated in the Torah that Ishmael will beget twelve princes and it is mentioned in our traditions that Allah (عزّ وجلّ) has promised to raise twelve Imams among the progeny of Muhammad (PBUHHP) except one. Now which sons, neither Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP) nor Muslims have been given right to choose them on their own accord but they are chosen by Allah (عزّ وجلّ). However, Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP) was told about them and He (PBUHHP) informed his ummah about them that they will be twelve in number and it is confirmed both in sunni and shia sources. And, all the eleven of them proved themselves as divinely appointed through their knowledge, piety and conduct. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 9/3/2024 at 5:11 PM, Guest Psi said:

So the reason for Imam Mahdi (AS)'s role being greater than Jesus (عليه السلام) despite both being Messiahs respectively is simply due to him being descended from Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) as Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) role is greater than Jesus (عليه السلام)?

Hi/Salam as @Borntowitnesstruth has mentioned "Imam Mahdi (AJ)'s role being greater than Jesus (عليه السلام) despite both being Messiahs respectively is simply due to him being" chosen by Allah for this position not due his birthright which besides that he has higher position than prophet Isa/Jesus (عليه السلام) by all of his attributes & his position in divine world as final infallible Imam of time ; which prophet Isa/Jesus (عليه السلام) will confess to superiority of Imam Mahdi (AJ) over himself after his second coming which it will be final ultimatum to his followers to follow Imam Mahdi (aj) in similar fashion which he will follow him based on both of superiority of Imam Mahdi (aj)  & command of Allah over him.