Hamas Leader (Ismail Haniyeh) Killed in Tehran

[root]

The level of military and geopolitical knowledge and analytics in this thread is top of the shelf...i mean my god! 

[Ashvazdanghe]

12 hours ago, coldcow said:

Israel has better air defenses by far.  Also has the US and others to help shoot down incoming missiles.  And Iran will likely run out of missiles before Israel

Salam you count any zionist propaganda as fact while Iran just has spent minimum amount of it's missiles for hitting Israel which Iran has more missiles than all of previous sent missiles to Israel which last time Iran just gave a mild response to Israel which before that Iran has warned Israel & all of it's allies about sending missiles which Israel air defensense has shoot in itself previous week in Golan heights which weakness of it's air defense has been verified many times in front of Hizbollah & houthi missiles & drones which it's air defense single handly in front of Iranian missiles is a joke . 

12 hours ago, coldcow said:

The Isreali economy is really probably the most vulnerable aspect to Israel.  Especially right now.  

This is only true part in whole of your nonsense .

3 hours ago, Hussein999 said:

https://t.me/warfareanalysis/69751

 

Israel sent a message to both iran and Lebanon that they are ready for a war.

 

Essentially saying they want this to happen. 

 

It's just a playing with highest card in a losing gamble by Israel which surly Israel has not ability to initiate another war which it has been it's nonsense before OCT7 for causing fear in heart of resistance axis which it has been totally unsuccessful which current assassinations are last cards in it's deck in fake hope  of  an imaginary winning before total loss. 

[islamicmusic]

Martyr Ismail Hanieh's daughter: Do not talk about Iran, oh Arabs! For it is the capital of Muslim Ummah!

English translation: 

 

[Haji 2003]

9 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

If they are not allowed to speak then why are they doing it?

Plausible deniability.

[Ashvazdanghe]

9 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

https://archive.is/UMLrh

If they are not allowed to speak then why are they doing it? Isn't it a matter of security to not speak?

Salam this is just fake news & speculation from non reliable yellow journalism about spreading misinformation in name of so called  unknown authorities while in reality it has no access to any authorities. 

[Haji 2003]

7 hours ago, Diaz said:

Isn’t it weird only when natanyela return back from the us, he started the attacks? I do believe he received orders from the us to attack but below the table. 

I don't think we can treat the US as a monolithic entity.

The factions range from those who want Israel to go all in to do God's will so that ultimately Jews can be converted to Christianity, to those groups who would prefer a ceasefire now.

Netanyahu's visit was likely an assessment of how the different groups stand as regards his plans and even if he can't carry the President's support, how Congress stands.

[EiE]

6 hours ago, Hussein999 said:

Because as he said, he's not waiting for some body count, you don't know what you're talking about with all due respect, no offense meant here.

But,

Millions have perished in the last 1400 years in genocides just as bad or worse than this in Gaza, yet he didn't appear.

He didn't appear in 1200 when gehnghis khan committed arguably the worst genocides in human history to the point that the earth's carbon footprint was reduced and to the point where muslims taught his army was gog and magog. Or when Hitler killed 40 million russians. Or when timur lane butchered millions. Or when european colonists sent 80 million native Americans and hundreds of millions of others they colonised to the afterlife. Or when the crusades slaugthered every jew and Muslim in al quds till the streets had litteral rivers of blood. 

 

Clearly you don't understand things and you're angry, but you need to be rational. I personally don't have an answer to this, but it's clear to me that some body count won't trigger it. Probably when the world is extreemly degenerate and lawless? I don't know.

 

The world is already extremly degenerate and lawless. Why wait til the world turns even worse, more innocent dead and more degeneracy.

What does the Quran say of innocent death? it's like they killed all of humanity.

The difference between us is that, you are blindly accepting something which you don't understand. Meanwhile I am seeking clarification about that which I don't understand.

[EiE]

 

15 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

People died during the times of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and the Imams, no?

 

Did they die over 1000+ years without the presence of a prophet or imam? Or this millennium generation the first to experience that? If you have source, please show me.

[ShiaChat Mod]

2 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Netanyahu's visit was likely an assessment of how the different groups stand as regards his plans and even if he can't carry the President's support, how Congress stands.

Yes.

In modern times the US presidential candidates traditionally pay a visit to israel and pray at the wailing wall, to show their friendship and alliance with israel. This always happens during the US presidential campaign period before the November election. Now that Israel–Hamas war is continuing, Donald Trump and Kamala Harris probably will not travel to israel, so Netanyahu went to the US. 

[Hussein999]

1 hour ago, EiE said:

 

The world is already extremly degenerate and lawless. Why wait til the world turns even worse, more innocent dead and more degeneracy.

What does the Quran say of innocent death? it's like they killed all of humanity.

The world can get 100x more degenerate than this, beleive me, what many hadiths describe about the near of the end times, suggests things can get far worse.

Yes the Quran says murdering is horrible, hence why they will get their punishment in yawm al qiyamah ultimatley or in this world. There are sins worse than murder by the way, shirk for example is the worst, a world full of shirk like jahiliyah times where people forget what quran even is, is a possibility. This world can get far worse than it is, we might still exist for 10 years, 50 years, 200 years, 1000 years, we don't know, it's reasonable to beleive the end is near atleast, but I think it could get worse than this. I don't know like Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) what degeneracy threshold it should reach, I'm not omnipotent to quantify these things. 

 

1 hour ago, EiE said:

The difference between us is that, you are blindly accepting something which you don't understand. Meanwhile I am seeking clarification about that which I don't understand.

I am not, I beleive in shia islam because good reason and the rest comes with it, this is not blind beleif, this is simple reasoning. There is no shame in saying "I don't know" something people have forgotten today, Allahu Alam is a thing, it's not blind beleif.

 

It's good to seek clarification, just try and not being very depressed and emotional whilst doing so, clearly it doesn't seem the case to be based on some body count, or else this would have been triggered thousands of years ago. Allahu Alam.

[Hussein999]

3 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

I don't think we can treat the US as a monolithic entity.

The factions range from those who want Israel to go all in to do God's will so that ultimately Jews can be converted to Christianity, to those groups who would prefer a ceasefire now.

Netanyahu's visit was likely an assessment of how the different groups stand as regards his plans and even if he can't carry the President's support, how Congress stands.

Unfortunately most groups in america have an intrest in wanting this war to happen, hence why Israel who mostly takes orders from America is behaving in the manner it is behaving, they're getting the green light by America, America is helping them do this. Simple as is, most American elites or companies don't necessarily need to be on board with this. 

All of this ruthless bombing campaign in Gaza would not have happened were it not for America ordering it and greenlighting it, there are huge reasons why Syria and Iraqi militias kept attacking American bases, this is one of them, to punish america for practically causing this genocide to unfold. 

[Diaz]

7 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Saudi provided help to Israel/US to shoot down the Iranian drones.

Can someone confirm? I did not see this in news 

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

Can someone confirm? I did not see this in news 

This was supposed to be classified information but someone leaked it to the press, that's why you won't find any 'official' confirmation. They may even deny it publicly, but they were helping Jordan intercept the missiles. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

So after all the collaboration with the harbi kuffar, sharing video clips of drinking Starbucks coffee to mock the Gazan children, and not lifting a finger, the nawasib finally seem to have a brownie point. Once again we might get to hear 'إیران ھى السبب'  . 

[Diaz]

52 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

This was supposed to be classified information but someone leaked it to the press, that's why you won't find any 'official' confirmation. They may even deny it publicly, but they were helping Jordan intercept the missiles. 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) curse all the oppressors and Zionists eternally 

[ShiaOfMahdi]

This is why I stop using Google services and switched to Linux as my OS. I also stopped using Intel and went for AMD Ryzen. I don't need Microsoft or Google's ad services. I also use Proton Mail now.

Edited August 1 by ShiaOfMahdi

[ShiaMan14]

3 hours ago, Diaz said:

Can someone confirm? I did not see this in news 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-gulf-states-including-saudi-arabia-provided-intelligence-on-iran-attack/#:~:text=Several Gulf States%2C among them,Street Journal reported Monday citing

"Several Gulf States, among them Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, passed on intelligence about Iran’s plans to attack Israel, providing vital information that was key to the success of the air defense measures that almost entirely thwarted the massive assault, the Wall Street Journal reported Monday citing Saudi, US, and Egyptian officials.

The cooperation was spearheaded by the US, which has for years been striving to form an informal military partnership to counter threats from Iran, the report said."

[ShiaMan14]

5 hours ago, EiE said:

 

 

Did they die over 1000+ years without the presence of a prophet or imam? Or this millennium generation the first to experience that? If you have source, please show me.

once again, you are looking at numbers in terms of years or body count to determine when Imam Mahdi (عليه السلام) should re-appear.

In your opinion, how many bodies and how many years should it take for the Imam to re-appear?

[Diaz]

53 minutes ago, ShiaOfMahdi said:

This is why I stop using Google services and switched to Linux as my OS. I also stopped using Intel and went for AMD Ryzen. I don't need Microsoft or Google's ad services. I also use Proton Mail now.

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will bless you brother, we must boycott to these terrorist not to mess with us. 
 

42 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-gulf-states-including-saudi-arabia-provided-intelligence-on-iran-attack/#:~:text=Several Gulf States%2C among them,Street Journal reported Monday citing

"Several Gulf States, among them Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, passed on intelligence about Iran’s plans to attack Israel, providing vital information that was key to the success of the air defense measures that almost entirely thwarted the massive assault, the Wall Street Journal reported Monday citing Saudi, US, and Egyptian officials.

The cooperation was spearheaded by the US, which has for years been striving to form an informal military partnership to counter threats from Iran, the report said."

Can’t wait for the day when Iran teach them a lesson to these yazid (la) lovers. 

[EiE]

5 hours ago, Hussein999 said:

The world can get 100x more degenerate than this, beleive me, what many hadiths describe about the near of the end times, suggests things can get far worse.

Yes the Quran says murdering is horrible, hence why they will get their punishment in yawm al qiyamah ultimatley or in this world. There are sins worse than murder by the way, shirk for example is the worst, a world full of shirk like jahiliyah times where people forget what quran even is, is a possibility. This world can get far worse than it is, we might still exist for 10 years, 50 years, 200 years, 1000 years, we don't know, it's reasonable to beleive the end is near atleast, but I think it could get worse than this. I don't know like Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) what degeneracy threshold it should reach, I'm not omnipotent to quantify these things. 

 

I am not, I beleive in shia islam because good reason and the rest comes with it, this is not blind beleif, this is simple reasoning. There is no shame in saying "I don't know" something people have forgotten today, Allahu Alam is a thing, it's not blind beleif.

 

It's good to seek clarification, just try and not being very depressed and emotional whilst doing so, clearly it doesn't seem the case to be based on some body count, or else this would have been triggered thousands of years ago. Allahu Alam.

 

33 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

once again, you are looking at numbers in terms of years or body count to determine when Imam Mahdi (عليه السلام) should re-appear.

In your opinion, how many bodies and how many years should it take for the Imam to re-appear?

 

 

[ShiaMan14]

12 minutes ago, EiE said:

 

 

 

Interesting that you didn't answer the question but simply put a quote out there which is not relevant because I am not uncomfortable discussing ghaybah so there is no cognitive dissonance.

I simply asked your opinion on headcount and years it should take for the Mahdi to re-appear.

We should take this discussion to a separate thread. 

[coldcow]

6 hours ago, Diaz said:

Can someone confirm? I did not see this in news 

Iran provided assistance to the US to help shoot down the drones. They literally told everyone exactly when it was going to happen, then they launched some of the slowest and least stealthy drones you can imagine that flew over neighboring country's airspace, giving hours for them to reach Israel.  It was orchestrated to send a message and not to kill.  Iran knows it doesn't want an all out war with Israel.

11 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam you count any zionist propaganda as fact while Iran just has spent minimum amount of it's missiles for hitting Israel which Iran has more missiles than all of previous sent missiles to Israel which last time Iran just gave a mild response to Israel which before that Iran has warned Israel & all of it's allies about sending missiles which Israel air defensense has shoot in itself previous week in Golan heights which weakness of it's air defense has been verified many times in front of Hizbollah & houthi missiles & drones which it's air defense single handly in front of Iranian missiles is a joke . 

This is only true part in whole of your nonsense .

It's just a playing with highest card in a losing gamble by Israel which surly Israel has not ability to initiate another war which it has been it's nonsense before OCT7 for causing fear in heart of resistance axis which it has been totally unsuccessful which current assassinations are last cards in it's deck in fake hope  of  an imaginary winning before total loss. 

And you count all Irani propaganda as fact?  

I never said missile defenses were impenetrable.  But they're pretty good.  It can obviously be overwhelmed by a large number of rockets, and can be outsmarted by more advanced missiles.  

Satellite images show an S-300 radar site destroyed following the Israeli launch towards Iran.  I don't see any satellite imagery of large destruction in Israel following all those missiles launched at it.  Only imagery shows a few small craters here and there, without any significant damage.

 

[coldcow]

Also, now apparently reports are saying the explosive was planted in the room potentially weeks/months ago?  It's probably Israeli intelligence leaking information to scare Iran into thinking they've got a mole in the IRGC.  But all things considered, they probably do.  Whether it was a planted explosive or a drone, someone alerted someone where he was and when he was there.

[Hussein999]

16 minutes ago, coldcow said:

Iran provided assistance to the US to help shoot down the drones. They literally told everyone exactly when it was going to happen, then they launched some of the slowest and least stealthy drones you can imagine that flew over neighboring country's airspace, giving hours for them to reach Israel.  It was orchestrated to send a message and not to kill.  Iran knows it doesn't want an all out war with Israel.

They gave Israel a warning before hitting, they're the most moral army in the world. 

16 minutes ago, coldcow said:

And you count all Irani propaganda as fact?  

I never said missile defenses were impenetrable.  But they're pretty good.  It can obviously be overwhelmed by a large number of rockets, and can be outsmarted by more advanced missiles.  

Satellite images show an S-300 radar site destroyed following the Israeli launch towards Iran.  I don't see any satellite imagery of large destruction in Israel following all those missiles launched at it.  Only imagery shows a few small craters here and there, without any significant damage.

 

Except, israelis didn't launch anything other than a missile that got intercepted in Iraq. It was collaborators from the inside who launched drones and tried dropping explosives, the AD got them all, it's why you didn't see any smoke in the videos. 

 

There was destruction in the israeli base, a building there got turned to ash and multiple places got hit there, thats what the satelite images showed. To witch Israel decided to film one of the damaged runways, not film other places and then show a plane landing to essentially show "see? Our base is operational, look at that plane!". In anyways, this was to send a message, that despite Israel having 5 countries defend it and an entire iron dome, they couldn't stop Iran from overwhelming them and striking the base that was used to carry out the strike on Damascus. Iran also hit the building where this was planned in another area. 

 

With Iran it was 1 black dot on the S-300 and every western outlet went nuts until it was debunked amongst other things. 

[Hussein999]

1 minute ago, coldcow said:

Also, now apparently reports are saying the explosive was planted in the room potentially weeks/months ago?  It's probably Israeli intelligence leaking information to scare Iran into thinking they've got a mole in the IRGC.  But all things considered, they probably do.  Whether it was a planted explosive or a drone, someone alerted someone where he was and when he was there.

There are 2 theories, someone planted an explosive, or someone fired a rocket from inside Iran. Israel could not fire from outside Iran. 

[ShiaMan14]

1 hour ago, coldcow said:

Also, now apparently reports are saying the explosive was planted in the room potentially weeks/months ago?  It's probably Israeli intelligence leaking information to scare Iran into thinking they've got a mole in the IRGC.  But all things considered, they probably do.  Whether it was a planted explosive or a drone, someone alerted someone where he was and when he was there.

The numerous cyber attacks on nuclear facilities and killings of nuclear scientists already proves that there is a MOLE problem with Iranian security groups.

This couldn't have been done without inside help.

Israel could have taken him out anywhere but obviously purposely chose to do it in Iran.

[ShiaMan14]

Very strong statement from Syed Nasrullah:

https://english.almanar.com.lb/2165946

[Quran313]

Zio regime killed a Hizb figure in its attack to Beirut too, and now they killed Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran. Imam Khamenei said they will take hard revenge. I don't understand why the Zio regime does these. They begged Hizb for peace in 2006 war. Hizb is now much better and powerful than 2006. Iran and Hizb will give the child killer regime a good lesson in the next few days.

Edited August 1 by Quran313

[Abu Nur]

2 hours ago, Quran313 said:

Zio regime killed a Hizb figure in its attack to Beirut too, and now they killed Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran. Imam Khamenei said they will take hard revenge. I don't understand why the Zio regime does these. They begged Hizb for peace in 2006 war. Hizb is now much better and powerful than 2006. Iran and Hizb will give the child killer regime a good lesson in the next few days.

To bring US/Nato and Iran to war so  they can focus to kill and remove all Palestinians out of Palestine,while they also go fight Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc with support of Nato to take the lands from them.

If they can destroy the resistance, then Israel will literally rule the Middle East, including the loyal slave arabs countries.

Wishful nonsense and arrogant plan that will never work.

Edited August 2 by Abu Nur

[PureExistence1]

18 hours ago, EiE said:

The world is already extremly degenerate and lawless. Why wait til the world turns even worse, more innocent dead and more degeneracy.

Salaam, yes the world is in bad shape, but not enough of it is in bad enough shape. Let me explain.. not until everyone, including the well-off in most parts of the world, are hurting so bad that they will come to the point where they are willing to accept the leadership of someone like the imam(عليه السلام). Thats what I read somewhere (sorry I don't have a source cuz it's been quite a while) about the condition the majority of people will need to be in.

Right now, the "haves" still have enough to be mostly satisfied. This is probably why we don't see much action from a majority of places in the world, because their populations are still fairly satisfied and comfortable with their life standards. Once their standards drop low enough and they start feeling it, they will start to realize that the average human leaders can do nothing and then the concept of someone like their mom becomes much more appealing and easier to accept. 

I don't know, I can be wrong. Like I said, it's just something I read somewhere a long time ago.

[Quran313]

57 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

To bring US/Nato and Iran to war so  they can focus to kill and remove all Palestinians out of Palestine,while they also go fight Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc with support of Nato to take the lands from them.

If they can destroy the resistance, then Israel will literally rule the Middle East, including the loyal slave arabs countries.

Wishful nonsense and arrogant plan that will never work.

That's actually a very wrong analysis. US does not want to be involved in a war with Iran at all. They want to focus on China and prevent its economy growth. US abandoned Ukrain, and now they want to end Ukrain war asap. So as you see US is pretty busy right now and being in a war with Iran is something that they avoid. Nato is nothing without US support. England, France, and Germany don't have much to give. They gave Ukraine whatever they had. Plus energy cost is sky rocketting in Europe.

Second, US has many internal economy problems from rental prices to gas price and etc. Iran just need to block strait of Hormuz in Persian Gulf, then gasoline and diesel prices at least double in US. 25% of world oil passes through the strait of Hormuz, and Iran has full control over it. Do you know how much is gas price in California and New York right now? Almost $5 per gallon. Imagine it becomes $8 or $9, everything doubles and triples in US. Diesel is more expensive than gas, then there won't be grocery delivered to stores. What would happen in US then? 

Third, Israel is no match for Hizb. 2006 war showed it in just 33 days of war with the technology that Hizb had that time. Forget about war with Iran.

Resistance never fails. It's more mature and powerful compared to what it was before 10 years ago. I was surprised when you said that. 

If you don't believe any of these, you can watch Scott Ritter(former US marine officer) and Douglas Macgregor(US government official).

 

 

Edited August 2 by Quran313

[Hussein999]

6 hours ago, Quran313 said:

That's actually a very wrong analysis. US does not want to be involved in a war with Iran at all.

They do.

6 hours ago, Quran313 said:

 

They want to focus on China and prevent its economy growth.

They want to do that.

6 hours ago, Quran313 said:

US abandoned Ukrain, and now they want to end Ukrain war asap.

No they don't, they want it to last for another 20 years like Afghanistan.

6 hours ago, Quran313 said:

So as you see US is pretty busy right now and being in a war with Iran is something that they avoid. Nato is nothing without US support. England, France, and Germany don't have much to give. They gave Ukraine whatever they had. Plus energy cost is sky rocketting in Europe.

They don't care if poor people in europe can't afford fuel. 

6 hours ago, Quran313 said:

Second, US has many internal economy problems from rental prices to gas price and etc. Iran just need to block strait of Hormuz in Persian Gulf, then gasoline and diesel prices at least double in US. 25% of world oil passes through the strait of Hormuz, and Iran has full control over it. Do you know how much is gas price in California and New York right now? Almost $5 per gallon. Imagine it becomes $8 or $9, everything doubles and triples in US. Diesel is more expensive than gas, then there won't be grocery delivered to stores. What would happen in US then? 

You think the millitary industrial complex cares amongst other politicians, lobbies, etc...?

6 hours ago, Quran313 said:

Third, Israel is no match for Hizb. 2006 war showed it in just 33 days of war with the technology that Hizb had that time. Forget about war with Iran.

You think America and Israel are smart? They're making all the reckless and stupid decisions. 

6 hours ago, Quran313 said:

Resistance never fails. It's more mature and powerful compared to what it was before 10 years ago. I was surprised when you said that. 

If you don't believe any of these, you can watch Scott Ritter(former US marine officer) and Douglas Macgregor(US government official).

 

 

These 2 people you showed have repeatedly said how America and Israel are behaving in a stupid manner.

 

What's going to happen is there will be a war, once Israel starts to loose badly, America will backstab Israel like they did with saddam and other "allies" and then they will pretend to comply with the ICJ when they deem it a genocide in 3-4 years. 

[EiE]

On 8/2/2024 at 4:39 AM, PureExistence1 said:

Salaam, yes the world is in bad shape, but not enough of it is in bad enough shape. Let me explain.. not until everyone, including the well-off in most parts of the world, are hurting so bad that they will come to the point where they are willing to accept the leadership of someone like the imam(عليه السلام). Thats what I read somewhere (sorry I don't have a source cuz it's been quite a while) about the condition the majority of people will need to be in.

Right now, the "haves" still have enough to be mostly satisfied. This is probably why we don't see much action from a majority of places in the world, because their populations are still fairly satisfied and comfortable with their life standards. Once their standards drop low enough and they start feeling it, they will start to realize that the average human leaders can do nothing and then the concept of someone like their mom becomes much more appealing and easier to accept. 

I don't know, I can be wrong. Like I said, it's just something I read somewhere a long time ago.

 

But why wait til it gets so bad for his presence? Do you think this will help his cause or support of him? Is it already not bad? Will this not cause less believing muslims?

[PureExistence1]

1 hour ago, EiE said:

But why wait til it gets so bad f

Because thats what its going to take to bring the arrogant majority of people down to such a level of humility that through their own free will and rational thinking, they understand the need for an infallible Imam(عليه السلام) to rule and that the way of life he brings (Allahs(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) sirat al mustaqeem) is the only way to live a real true life and be truly happy in all the ways humans are supposed to be happy, not the ways humans have designed or been lead to believe, which is a "life" of partying, immorality, deceitfulness, he who dies with the most toys wins thinking/materialism, abcd/lgbt, etc...

Unfortunately humans learn  through hardship. There is too much arrogance and denial at this point in time.

[ShiaMan14]

15 hours ago, EiE said:

 

But why wait til it gets so bad for his presence? Do you think this will help his cause or support of him? Is it already not bad? Will this not cause less believing muslims?

You are still not answering a simple question - what is the body count at which you think Imam should make his zuhoor? And justify that body count.