Hamas Leader (Ismail Haniyeh) Killed in Tehran

[ShiaMan14]

Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh has been killed in Tehran by an Israeli raid.

[ShiaMan14]

No coincidence that the fake Druze attack blamed on Hezbollah and now this happened just after NetYahoo's visit  to the US.

 

[Meedy]

انالله واناالیه راجعون  

[coldcow]

2 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh has been killed in Tehran by an Israeli raid.

Was it an Israeli "raid"?  Or was it local anti-government Iranis that were paid off to do this by Israel?  Certainly Israel probably behind it, but can't imagine they would have done a direct raid themselves.

But that is one thing about attacking Israel.  You might be able to get away with a crude attack up front.  But on the back end, they'll keep coming and get you when you least suspect it.  Look at what they did with the Nazis that escaped to South America.  The people responsible for the Olympic murders.  Hamas.  Etc.

Edited July 31 by coldcow

[islamicmusic]

Iran is surrounded by "muslim" regimes that act as bases of and have USA and NATO bases in them. So, the attack could be from anywhere. That the Israelis found the location of his residance however is a direct treason inside Iran, probably western agents unless they gave Hanieh some cellphone in Qatar or Turkey to locate his whereabouts.

[Diaz]

This is so sad, may he rest in peace. Now the resistance will do something because israhell killed him and tried to killed general Fouad.

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, coldcow said:

Look at what they did with the Nazis that escaped to South America.  The people responsible for the Olympic murders.  Hamas.  Etc.

Salam at first it has been " Black September" which has no relation to Hamas although of Zionist's propaganda which also in similar fashion their operation against Nazis in south America is just a myth which Adolf Eichmann has not been a high ranking nazi which abducting him has been about using him as a scapegoat for securing other high ranking Nazis in south America which they offered him in a golden plate to Mossad ; which you information just comes from Hollywood style  propaganda of Zionists. 

https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/the-5-notorious-nazis-who-escaped-to-south-america-7daae120e697

[Diaz]

My instinct tells me there will be a war really soon. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) protect us all.

[EiE]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

My instinct tells me there will be a war really soon. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) protect us all.

Why the worry though? If this is what's necessary for the 12th imam's presence.

How many innocent have already not died? How many more deaths of innocent is required?

It's thought and questions like this that make you wonder...on reality

[shadow_of_light]

History wont forget that they killed great men who fought for the liberation of their homelands and instead cruel blood-thirsty men were applauded and cheered.

[Diaz]

3 hours ago, EiE said:

Why the worry though? If this is what's necessary for the 12th imam's presence.

How many innocent have already not died? How many more deaths of innocent is required?

It's thought and questions like this that make you wonder...on reality

I’m just worried about the innocent people who will die. Of course we all want imam mahdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) but are people ready to be with him or will they leave him just like how many left imam Hussein (عليه السلام) and his noble companions?

[ShiaMan14]

3 hours ago, EiE said:

Why the worry though? If this is what's necessary for the 12th imam's presence.

How many innocent have already not died? How many more deaths of innocent is required?

It's thought and questions like this that make you wonder...on reality

You sound like the Christians who want war in the Middle East so the Rapture can happen.

Imam is awaiting Allah's orders and not a certain body count to re-appear 

[ShiaMan14]

5 hours ago, islamicmusic said:

Iran is surrounded by "muslim" regimes that act as bases of and have USA and NATO bases in them. So, the attack could be from anywhere. That the Israelis found the location of his residance however is a direct treason inside Iran, probably western agents unless they gave Hanieh some cellphone in Qatar or Turkey to locate his whereabouts.

I think Iran probably doesn't fear Israel alone but the covert coalition of Israel and Saudi+UAE+Jordan+Egypt

[EiE]

1 hour ago, ShiaMan14 said:

You sound like the Christians who want war in the Middle East so the Rapture can happen.

Imam is awaiting Allah's orders and not a certain body count to re-appear 

So let's wait til some few thousands more innocent civilians are dead? or perhaps millions?

Because situation is not turning better.

If this imam plays such an important rule in our lifetime, then why is he not here yet, if he plays such an important role, then surely Allah can protect him from all sorts of harm and calamities. I don't buy those excuses.

It makes me sad as a shia that I don't have any answer to these questions, I can only rely on faith, something dozens of generations before has done for over 1000+ years.

[EiE]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

I’m just worried about the innocent people who will die. Of course we all want imam mahdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) but are people ready to be with him or will they leave him just like how many left imam Hussein (عليه السلام) and his noble companions?

Will more innocent people dying get more people ready? How do anyone of us know who's ready and who's not.

I have more things to add, but don't want to derail the thread

[Muhammed Ali]

7 hours ago, islamicmusic said:

That the Israelis found the location of his residance however is a direct treason inside Iran, probably western agents unless they gave Hanieh some cellphone in Qatar or Turkey to locate his whereabouts.

I don't know if he would carry a phone or if he would have a location tacker installed, however they would not need to have physical access to the phone. Israel has developed software which can access your phone without any user action.

 

[coldcow]

Regardless of what happened, embarrassing for Iran.  I wonder why we haven't seen pictures?  Especially if it was supposedly a missile or air strike? 

[Guest Imran CA]

 

1 hour ago, EiE said:

So let's wait til some few thousands more innocent civilians are dead? or perhaps millions?

Because situation is not turning better.

If this imam plays such an important rule in our lifetime, then why is he not here yet, if he plays such an important role, then surely Allah can protect him from all sorts of harm and calamities. I don't buy those excuses.

It makes me sad as a shia that I don't have any answer to these questions, I can only rely on faith, something dozens of generations before has done for over 1000+ years.

Dear brother/sister. I wake up sometimes thinking the same but we should strengthen out faith in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and His justice. This questions should not bother us. Let us stay strong, we cannot make meaning out of everything that happens, we are, after all, limited beings. 

I believe that it is only Just that against the force of evil there is a force of good. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is the best of planners and His plan for the Imam is something we cannot question.

The fight for freedom will not die with this man but will just get stronger inshaAllah.

[ShiaMan14]

1 hour ago, EiE said:

So let's wait til some few thousands more innocent civilians are dead? or perhaps millions?

Because situation is not turning better.

If this imam plays such an important rule in our lifetime, then why is he not here yet, if he plays such an important role, then surely Allah can protect him from all sorts of harm and calamities. I don't buy those excuses.

It makes me sad as a shia that I don't have any answer to these questions, I can only rely on faith, something dozens of generations before has done for over 1000+ years.

People died during the times of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and the Imams, no?

[ShiaMan14]

51 minutes ago, coldcow said:

Regardless of what happened, embarrassing for Iran.  I wonder why we haven't seen pictures?  Especially if it was supposedly a missile or air strike? 

Yeah.

Israel could have killed this guy when he was in Qatar because he wasn't really in hiding. Those purposely chose to do this when he was in Iran obviously to challenge Iran. 

[coldcow]

18 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Yeah.

Israel could have killed this guy when he was in Qatar because he wasn't really in hiding. Those purposely chose to do this when he was in Iran obviously to challenge Iran. 

Agreed.  Iran launched missiles for an attack on its facility and general in Syria.  This is an attack on Iranian soil.  

They also had Israel retaliate and literally destroy an air defense system designed to shoot down missiles.  So Iran has limited options.  No way to beat Israel militarily right now without significant pain and damage to both sides.  Niether counter can invade one another.  Would end up being just series of missile strikes, and Israel has better air defenses by far.  Also has the US and others to help shoot down incoming missiles.  And Iran will likely run out of missiles before Israel.

The Isreali economy is really probably the most vulnerable aspect to Israel.  Especially right now.  

Edited July 31 by coldcow

[Haji 2003]

12 hours ago, coldcow said:

No way to beat Israel militarily right now without significant pain and damage to both sides. 

One interpretation of all this is that Israel is losing strategically and trying to compensate with tactical 'wins'.
 

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For all Israel’s capabilities in this area, over the decades assassinations have proven to be only a short-term fix, at best, and often a strategic liability. The assassinations this week already threaten to tip the Middle East into full-blown war, with Iran and Hizbollah vowing to avenge the killings.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/f2d43ee7-1584-4a0a-8148-99d395ae8ad2

 

It should be obvious that by killing a leading negotiator they are not interested in peace and are actually hoping for a more regional conflict that draws in Western powers.

Edited August 1 by Haji 2003
added FT quotation

[islamicmusic]

4 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

 

 

Did not know that. I am a bit old school about this. I remember in the 90s Erbakan of Turkey giving a cellphone to Dudayev of Chechnya as a "gift" and that's how Russians tracked his phone and martyred him.

[Muhammed Ali]

36 minutes ago, islamicmusic said:

Did not know that. I am a bit old school about this. I remember in the 90s Erbakan of Turkey giving a cellphone to Dudayev of Chechnya as a "gift" and that's how Russians tracked his phone and martyred him.

That software was how Bezos' phone was hacked.

[Muhammed Ali]

https://archive.is/UMLrh

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the three Iranian officials, including two members of the Revolutionary Guards. They asked that their names not be published because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

If they are not allowed to speak then why are they doing it? Isn't it a matter of security to not speak?

Edited July 31 by Muhammed Ali

[coldcow]

4 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

One interpretation of all this is that Israel is losing strategically and trying to compensate with tactical 'wins'.

It should be obvious that by killing a leading negotiator they are not interested in peace and are actually hoping for a more regional conflict that draws in Western powers.

I mean, Israel has 3 paths forward at the moment.  1) Negotiate a ceasefire with Gaza.  2)  Continue the war in Gaza and continue dealing with tit for tat hits with neighbors, and watch its economy continue to suffer.  3) Try to provoke a larger war in which it can go all out and try and eliminate as many enemy military assets as possible to make it difficult for neighbors to attack, and try and inflict a traumatic memory on neighbors so that they question whether it's wise to attack in the future.

We've seen several Arab neighbors already fearful of attacking Israel, as they know they can't win, and it would hurt their ability to stay in power.  And we see Israel already trying to crush the spirits of Gaza so that they will never attack again.

#3 would also mean the US would likely get dragged into  a defensive position with Israel.  Parking several ships off the coast that have missile defense capabilities to help defend Israel. 

Between the attack on Yemen, Hezbollah, and now Iran, Israel is trying to show that "no one is safe" if they try and attack Israel.  

 

Additionally, they know if Trump  is elected, they will likely get more US support than they are now.  And if Kamala is elected, it'll probably be either more of the same as now, maybe marginally less support.

And yea, while there are elements in Israel that want peace, very few of those in power want peace.  In fact, they want every excuse they can get to kill more Palestinians, build a larger buffer zone, and take more land.

[Diaz]

Isn’t it weird only when natanyela return back from the us, he started the attacks? I do believe he received orders from the us to attack but below the table. 

[coldcow]

39 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Isn’t it weird only when natanyela return back from the us, he started the attacks? I do believe he received orders from the us to attack but below the table. 

Doubtful.  The US has nothing to gain from killing Haniyea.  If anything he probably told the US what he was going to do, and the US said "ok, but we're going to say we had no knowledge of this."

Israel near simultaneously killed two big enemies in two countries, and also recently struck the Houthis.  It is trying to project as much power as it can to get its enemies to get scared and back down.

[ShiaMan14]

2 hours ago, coldcow said:

I mean, Israel has 3 paths forward at the moment.  1) Negotiate a ceasefire with Gaza.  2)  Continue the war in Gaza and continue dealing with tit for tat hits with neighbors, and watch its economy continue to suffer.  3) Try to provoke a larger war in which it can go all out and try and eliminate as many enemy military assets as possible to make it difficult for neighbors to attack, and try and inflict a traumatic memory on neighbors so that they question whether it's wise to attack in the future.

We've seen several Arab neighbors already fearful of attacking Israel, as they know they can't win, and it would hurt their ability to stay in power.  And we see Israel already trying to crush the spirits of Gaza so that they will never attack again.

#3 would also mean the US would likely get dragged into  a defensive position with Israel.  Parking several ships off the coast that have missile defense capabilities to help defend Israel. 

Between the attack on Yemen, Hezbollah, and now Iran, Israel is trying to show that "no one is safe" if they try and attack Israel.  

 

Additionally, they know if Trump  is elected, they will likely get more US support than they are now.  And if Kamala is elected, it'll probably be either more of the same as now, maybe marginally less support.

And yea, while there are elements in Israel that want peace, very few of those in power want peace.  In fact, they want every excuse they can get to kill more Palestinians, build a larger buffer zone, and take more land.

Agreed.

There is very little Iran can do here.

They don't have much of an airforce which means missile attacks only. As we have already seen, most of them will get shot down by Saudi+Jordan.

[ShiaMan14]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

Isn’t it weird only when natanyela return back from the us, he started the attacks? I do believe he received orders from the us to attack but below the table. 

Not a coincidence at all.

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, coldcow said:

Doubtful.  The US has nothing to gain from killing Haniyea.  If anything he probably told the US what he was going to do, and the US said "ok, but we're going to say we had no knowledge of this."

Israel near simultaneously killed two big enemies in two countries, and also recently struck the Houthis.  It is trying to project as much power as it can to get its enemies to get scared and back down.

True but maybe they are tying to say they are stronger by killing important people in the resistance place like in Iran and south Beirut. I think they are just threatening. 
 

3 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Agreed.

There is very little Iran can do here.

They don't have much of an airforce which means missile attacks only. As we have already seen, most of them will get shot down by Saudi+Jordan.

I understand Jordan but Why would Saudi Arabia join? Weren’t they supposed to make a peace deal with Iran?

[Hussein999]

The likley thing is that it was an attack from the inside. This was an intelligence failure by Iran. 

[Hussein999]

https://t.me/warfareanalysis/69751

 

Israel sent a message to both iran and Lebanon that they are ready for a war.

 

Essentially saying they want this to happen. 

 

[Hussein999]

10 hours ago, EiE said:

So let's wait til some few thousands more innocent civilians are dead? or perhaps millions?

Because situation is not turning better.

If this imam plays such an important rule in our lifetime, then why is he not here yet, if he plays such an important role, then surely Allah can protect him from all sorts of harm and calamities. I don't buy those excuses.

It makes me sad as a shia that I don't have any answer to these questions, I can only rely on faith, something dozens of generations before has done for over 1000+ years.

Because as he said, he's not waiting for some body count, you don't know what you're talking about with all due respect, no offense meant here.

But,

Millions have perished in the last 1400 years in genocides just as bad or worse than this in Gaza, yet he didn't appear.

He didn't appear in 1200 when gehnghis khan committed arguably the worst genocides in human history to the point that the earth's carbon footprint was reduced and to the point where muslims taught his army was gog and magog. Or when Hitler killed 40 million russians. Or when timur lane butchered millions. Or when european colonists sent 80 million native Americans and hundreds of millions of others they colonised to the afterlife. Or when the crusades slaugthered every jew and Muslim in al quds till the streets had litteral rivers of blood. 

 

Clearly you don't understand things and you're angry, but you need to be rational. I personally don't have an answer to this, but it's clear to me that some body count won't trigger it. Probably when the world is extreemly degenerate and lawless? I don't know.

[ShiaMan14]

3 hours ago, Diaz said:

I understand Jordan but Why would Saudi Arabia join? Weren’t they supposed to make a peace deal with Iran?

Saudi provided help to Israel/US to shoot down the Iranian drones.