Deafening Silence on the Parachinar Genocide

[Sabrejet]

1 hour ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

I won't say anything against Maulana Ameen Shaheedi because he knows more about the ground realities of Pakistan

I don't think we need to give Ameen Shaheedi much benefit either. After all, when he publicly downplayed Ayatollah Bashir Najafi on a religious/political issue, then at the very least we can return the favour.

[JannahLM]

Because the perpetrators are not Jews or westerners, thus there's no political incentive in bringing attention to it. Yes, it's terrible what is going on in Palestine, but I do believe it gets far more attention than many other atrocities because the perpetrators happen to be of Jewish descent. As Shias we need to be standing against all injustice and oppression, regardless of who the victims are. 

[Hussein999]

2 hours ago, JannahLM said:

Because the perpetrators are not Jews or westerners, thus there's no political incentive in bringing attention to it. Yes, it's terrible what is going on in Palestine, but I do believe it gets far more attention than many other atrocities because the perpetrators happen to be of Jewish descent. As Shias we need to be standing against all injustice and oppression, regardless of who the victims are. 

No offense, but what's happening in Pakistan did not send almost 200k or allahu Alam how many hundreds of thousands to jannah in 9 months. These people did not have the misfortune of being genocided slowly for the past 80 years, with the sheer goal of exhausting the natives by sporadically butchering their children every 4 years the same way phiraun(la) did it to Banu israil and by making them live under a constant tyranny that makes saddam hussein's tyranny look like a walk in the park. Plus they want to destroy Islam and come for the entire Islamic world, obviously they will be prioritized. 

With all due respect, you guys should stop comparing what's happening to Pakistan to palestine just so you can make a point about some supposed hypocrisy, the same way zionists have tried in the last 9 months to derail conversations about their crimes, these arguments are fallacious and bear no evidence to back them up, muslims have rallied for other causes, your anecdotal experience =/= proof you're right.

What's happening in palestine makes even what the Saudis did to Yemen look tame, allahu Alam if the 2.2 million gazans will be alive next year if this keeps going, it's apocalyptic whats happening there with the rivers of blood flowing and this conflict could trigger ww3.

 

What's happening in Pakistan is horrible, beyond doubt, but the lot of you should have the decency to stop trying to prove a point about some supposed hypocrisy when most of your arguments are coming out of emotions and not facts.

[Hussein999]

@AbdusSibtayn if what I said on top offended you given you're Pakistani, then I apologize given this was not meant to reduce what's happening there. However what has happened in this forum post, has been shameful, where people just try and find the opportunity to lash out their pessimism about some supposed hypocrisy, when the comparisons made are extreemly unfair. It's sad that this is what we have come to, instead of raising awareness on this silence, we instead decide to bicker on some supposed hypocrisy. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

8 hours ago, Guest Spade a Spade said:

It’s really unclassy to start yelling at the IRI whenever they misstep here and there. I see it a lot when some odd “sabres” start rattling here. Haven’t you learned anything from Syria, Iraq, and now Palestine dude? You think you can go for Ziaraat to half of the WestAsia because your malang beads warded off the hordes of dajjals’ minions? Or maybe you roasted all of them in your ninja-warrior Haleem / Biryani DEGHs, and devoured all of them in your matami-sangat? 

Parachinar Shia have been fighting this wretched ديوث paki army (paid for the mercenary activities for the western hegemony) for past 30 years or so. They don’t have an ammo factory, a light arms manufacturing, or an ordnance chemical plant, yet they have been tit-4-tatting for past three decades against these west + saudi mercenaries.
 

I’m surprised all of you super smart brothers haven’t connected the dots yet of how and where have they been getting the tools of survival, extermination, and safety????
 

What’s said on media is one, what’s made noise on is one, and what’s get provided is another issue altogether.  

And here mark my words, the more the ZioColony gets bled in West Asia, the more Shia killings we would see in ParaChi, KHI, KashM, and Afg.

Punjab of course would be spared because shias there are as useless as the turtle on a charcoal road. 

Of course it had to be someone hiding behind a guest account.... No, I am not a charlatan malang, and no, your racist dogwhistles (biryani, haleem, degh, matami sangat) don't make your argument any stronger, and no, unlike your lot, I am not an ingrate, and fully well understand the role played by Iran in arming Shiite militias in conflict zones. 

All the same, I do hope someday your 'super smart' Ilk can make up your mind about choosing between the two ends of your eternal Schrodinger's dilemma- either the Iran of your DC/Marvel fantasies is strong enough to single-handedly pull the defense of all the atabat against impossible odds or it is not strong enough to overrule strategic foes and must bend before geopolitical compulsions. From your hysterical holler of a response, it is evident that you have not read the points made elsewhere in this thread and begun yapping. How conveniently you brushed aside the role of the Najaf hawza, the marjaiyyatul ulya and the hashd in Iraq is also plain to be seen. Your comic book supermen did all the work. 

No one here asked for lessons on geopolitics and diplomacy, least of all from people like you. I guess it is too much of an effort for your kind to realize why open engagements are necessary at times. 'Those lowly curry-guzzling Pakis have been given arms so they should just shut up and not complain about appearing sequestered and pariah-like on the world platform in a bloodbath'- how very fair a bargain! As if this were another Ukraine. 

The same Punjab that you took a dump on has given at least two contemporary marjas (Sheikhs Muhammad Hussain Najafi and Bashir Hussain Najafi) and countless other high ranking ulama but you'd know only if you'd ventured out of you cult echo-chambers. 

And drill this in your head- so long as the Iranian leadership continues in it claims to represent all the shi'a, it will continue to be subject to criticism by those very shi'a for its gaffes. The cultist shills can cry me a river. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

7 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

I don't think we need to give Ameen Shaheedi much benefit either. After all, when he publicly downplayed Ayatollah Bashir Najafi on a religious/political issue, then at the very least we can return the favour.

He is pals with the crypto-Deobandi ISI-Wahhabi planted 'ustad-e-mohtaram' Farzand Hazarvi Deobandi (aka Jawad Naqvi) who had publicly insulted Shaykh Bashir Najafi (ha), what else to expect? 

[Abu_Zahra]

1 hour ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

And drill this in your head- so long as the Iranian leadership continues in it claims to represent all the shi'a, it will continue to be subject to criticism by those very shi'a for its gaffes

Did the Iranian leadership make such a claim? This seems to be the claim of adherents/followers rather than the leadership itself. 

[Panzerwaffe]

17 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Then go ahead and ban me; as if I give two hoots about getting banned anymore. I will speak my mind, and no one can censor me. I haven't said anything insulting or abusive. I have not insulted any leader. 

And I was talking about Sajid Naqvi, not your marja. No need to act insecure if you are unfamiliar with Pakistani politics, and I don't owe you or anyone in your political camp any explanation as to where my 'distorted emotions' are coming from. 

I have done more to defend Iran in the online and the academic spheres  than any zealot apologist here has done, and my past posts are a testimony to it. 

If they claim that their politics represents the Shi'a cause on a global scale, they must also brace for criticism from the Shi'a worldwide whom they claim to represent. Or they can just say that they are a nation-state like others and represent only their geopolitical and national interests and come clear. They'll then be free from accountability, but until then, they'll have to put up with criticism. 

 

Salam bro 

I think you nailed it in the last paragraph, here I have a lot of acquaintances who are Armenians and they absolutely love the Islamic Republic because they are grateful for the support that have been provided to them against Azerbaijan and even Turkey( according to them , I personally cannot confirm that as I have a little interest in this affair) so helping Christians against fellow Muslims 

Edited August 2 by Panzerwaffe

[Panzerwaffe]

42 minutes ago, Abu_Zahra said:

Did the Iranian leadership make such a claim? This seems to be the claim of adherents/followers rather than the leadership itself. 

Good point 

maybe we just expect too much from them. 

[Panzerwaffe]

9 hours ago, JannahLM said:

Because the perpetrators are not Jews or westerners, thus there's no political incentive in bringing attention to it. Yes, it's terrible what is going on in Palestine, but I do believe it gets far more attention than many other atrocities because the perpetrators happen to be of Jewish descent. As Shias we need to be standing against all injustice and oppression, regardless of who the victims are. 

Right 100% 

when Muslim dictator kills 100 fellow Muslims business as usual 

when one Arab or Muslim dies at hands of Israelis or any white man  it’s headline news 

 

[Panzerwaffe]

6 hours ago, Hussein999 said:

No offense, but what's happening in Pakistan did not send almost 200k or allahu Alam how many hundreds of thousands to jannah in 9 months. These people did not have the misfortune of being genocided slowly for the past 80 years, with the sheer goal of exhausting the natives by sporadically butchering their children every 4 years the same way phiraun(la) did it to Banu israil and by making them live under a constant tyranny that makes saddam hussein's tyranny look like a walk in the park. Plus they want to destroy Islam and come for the entire Islamic world, obviously they will be prioritized. 

With all due respect, you guys should stop comparing what's happening to Pakistan to palestine just so you can make a point about some supposed hypocrisy, the same way zionists have tried in the last 9 months to derail conversations about their crimes, these arguments are fallacious and bear no evidence to back them up, muslims have rallied for other causes, your anecdotal experience =/= proof you're right.

What's happening in palestine makes even what the Saudis did to Yemen look tame, allahu Alam if the 2.2 million gazans will be alive next year if this keeps going, it's apocalyptic whats happening there with the rivers of blood flowing and this conflict could trigger ww3.

 

What's happening in Pakistan is horrible, beyond doubt, but the lot of you should have the decency to stop trying to prove a point about some supposed hypocrisy when most of your arguments are coming out of emotions and not facts.

What’s happening in Palestine is a whole group of ( largely) innocent people who have been abandoned and betrayed by their Arab brethren including their leadership , used as pawns by Persians and were forced into apartheid like ghettos and now exterminated by the Israelis. Let’s tell the whole story 

 

Pakistani Shia did not start a war of aggression against a legally created sovereign state like Arabs did in 1948. They don’t deserve this at all 

 

Edited August 2 by Panzerwaffe

[Jeffrey Rafidhi]

17 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Their blood has mixed with the earth of Sayyida Zaynab (sa) 's shrine. They are one big reason why her dome stands tall and proud today, besides the will and the help of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) of course. 

Now they must see that their lives are dispensable. 

With all due respect brother, but are we living under a rock to expect that people will remember them and value their sacrifices and contribution?

Reality is, for the people of Parachinar, the only one who is truly concerned for them, who actually cares for them is none other than Hazrat Wali e Asr (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف).

19 hours ago, Hussein999 said:

I have heard multiple times since allahu Alam when, occasional times where some wahhabi nutcase would kill a bunch of shias because of what some idiot "shia" in europe or America would say, which lead the people like immam khamenaei making fatwas against this public cursing of sunni figures.

Yeah sure, again the same vinyl record stuck on a loop. Now, what would you say about the recent shooting and killings in Oman in the Hussainiyah, show me a proof that it happened due to someone openly cursing in any part of the world. It easy to throw crap at Wahhabi / Salafi coz they really are a [Edited Out] magnet yet in the case of Oman, they were Abadis. What about the shias of Quetta? What about Hazara Shias genocide? Stop belittling their martyrdom, and remember this "THEY WERE KILLED FOR THE LOVE OF AHLULBAYT (عليه السلام)".

Or maybe us Shias should oblige and let our blood gush out of our jugular veins in order for likes of you and the rest of the "الطوائف المتحدة" can splish splash in our pool of blood and trample our lifeless bodies beneath your foot.

11 hours ago, Guest Spade a Spade said:

Or maybe you roasted all of them in your ninja-warrior Haleem / Biryani DEGHs, and devoured all of them in your matami-sangat? 

Here comes the Graeco - Aryanic Racial Supremacy! Kudos brother for the bullseye stereotypes and getting yourself enlisted on the day of resurrection with the bedouins of Jahiliyya.

[Sabrejet]

3 hours ago, Abu_Zahra said:

Did the Iranian leadership make such a claim? This seems to be the claim of adherents/followers rather than the leadership itself. 

I used to give them the benefit of the doubt too, but the evidence does seem to point to the leadership itself.

- their scholars repeatedly telling that supporting the Wali e Faqih is more important than waiting for Imam e Zamana (a.j.f)

- Jawad Naqvi, the so-called champion of the Revolutionary Cause in Pakistan, actually called him the "Ulil Amr" from Ayat 4:59. Neither Jawad Naqvi or Sajid Naqvi are lone sharks isolated from the Iranian leadership.

- their constant disregard for governments in the "Shia Crescent". Doesn't matter how unstable these countries become and how many foreigners die, as long as Iran "borders" Israel while Israel doesn't.

[Hussein999]

4 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

What’s happening in Palestine is a whole group of innocent people who have been abandoned and betrayed by their Arab brethren

True.

4 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

including their leadership

Their leadership have been assasinated one by one, just saying. I don't know what rock you've been living under for the past 80 years.

4 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

, used as pawns by Persians

Typical lib take on geopolitics. Everything is Iran. 

4 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

and were forced into apartheid like ghettos and now exterminated by the Israelis. Let’s tell the whole story 

I did, your terrible arguments aren't proof of anything. 

4 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Pakistani Shia did not start a war of aggression against a legally created sovereign state like Arabs did in 1948.

Attacking terrorists gangs who ethnically cleansed 750k people from their homes and butchered 20k based on some sick colonial ideology, who have been committing terror attacks for decades, killing even Jewish people who were leaving palestine in many instances before 1948 just so they can have their unhinged ethno state, is not a war of aggression. This is following the basics if ahlul bayt. 

4 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

They don’t deserve this at all 

 

Neither do Palestinians, neither did people from my village in southern lebanon who got opressed by these tyrants decades ago.

This has been all discussed in the Palestinian forums itself, so I won't derail this and start a whole debate about palestine, if you want to give me kadhim like responses go ahead, I certainly won't waste my time with this and probably won't reply to anyone trying to derail this into a palestine debate, I only mentionned palestinians because I saw people making unfair comparisons, most people on this website have the common sense to see where I am getting at, even the ones making the unfair comparisons would probably see where I am getting at. They could see why people being opressed to the point of exhaustion for almost a century, our holy sites being desecrated which both sunnis and shias care about, a genocide that has been described by so many experts as one of the more horrid they have seen, and so on, is getting more attention that an arab dictator killing 100 or what's happening in Pakistan right now. It's not that deep. 

But you on the other hand decided to give me goalpost shifts just so you can justify a genocide of allahu alam how many hundreds of thousands, as being less worse than what's happening in Pakistan. 

Edited August 2 by Hussein999

[Guest Quran]

A little view of last years history;

"On July 7, 2023, the conflict turned into war when the clashes erupted between Shia and Sunni tribes in Boshera village after construction on disputed land. The clashes quickly spread to other parts of the district. The town of Parachinar was attacked by missiles from three sides for several days, in which many children were injured, while the town of Sada was also targeted by missiles from unknown places.[5][6][7][8]

The clashes resulted in the deaths of at least 13 people and the injuries of 74 others. The Pakistani government deployed troops to the area to try to restore order, and a one-year ceasefire was brokered with the help of a local jirga, and clashes end in all parts of the district on July 13, 2023."

Allama Amin was telling the truth, it wasn't a sectarian war. The construction again on the disputed land caused the clashes and the Sunni tribe involved has tried to convert this dispute into a shia-sunni war. 

I just want to assure just one thing to you all here. The Shia tribes living in Parachinar are brave and are capable to defend themselves. They are dealing with this sectarian violence from last 50 years and they are not considered as soft target by the Sunni Pashtoon tribes, the Turi & Bangash tribes are never been a soft target like Hazara's of Quetta.

Apart from the bravery of these Shia Parachinar Tribes, there are mo'mineen present in Pak Army, some at most senior ranks, many of them are Pashtoon, some even belong to the Bangash & Turi tribes. They will never  let any massacre happen, believe me. What else! The interior minister of Pakistan is Syed Mohsin Naqvi, President is Asif Ali Zardari, they do have soft corner for the Shias. And now a 2 month cease fire has been enforced again, Pak Army and other tribal leaders have played a positive role again.

I hope that the tribes of Kurram will try to solve the matter of disputed land in their tribal jirga instead of fighting with each other. 

Wassalamo Alaikum! 

 

[ShiaMan14]

10 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Pakistani Shia did not start a war of aggression against a legally created sovereign state like Arabs did in 1948. They don’t deserve this at all 

Israel was not a legally created sovereign state. You should read up on how it was created.

[ShiaMan14]

@AbdusSibtayn

@Hussein999

@Panzerwaffe

@Sabrejet

It is a mistake to start comparing who is a bigger victim here between the Palestinians and Parachinaris or any other victim groups.

The enemies of Islam see us as a single symbiote and to them a dead Muslim is a dead Muslim regardless of whether he is Palestinian or Pakistani or Lebanese. 

The mother of a Parachinari martyr is just as much of our support as the mother of a Palestinian martyr.

Let's be united in our condemnation of all violence against innocent people no matter where it is.

[JannahLM]

12 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Salam bro 

I think you nailed it in the last paragraph, here I have a lot of acquaintances who are Armenians and they absolutely love the Islamic Republic because they are grateful for the support that have been provided to them against Azerbaijan and even Turkey( according to them , I personally cannot confirm that as I have a little interest in this affair) so helping Christians against fellow Muslims 

I'm a westerner so can't even get reliable information about IRI. Can't ask the diaspora since they're all Anti-IRI Zionists and Islamophobes.

[JannahLM]

2 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

@AbdusSibtayn

@Hussein999

@Panzerwaffe

@Sabrejet

It is a mistake to start comparing who is a bigger victim here between the Palestinians and Parachinaris or any other victim groups.

The enemies of Islam see us as a single symbiote and to them a dead Muslim is a dead Muslim regardless of whether he is Palestinian or Pakistani or Lebanese. 

The mother of a Parachinari martyr is just as much of our support as the mother of a Palestinian martyr.

Let's be united in our condemnation of all violence against innocent people no matter where it is.

Exactly. This is basically what I was trying to say, but far more long-winded.

[Abu_Zahra]

10 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

I used to give them the benefit of the doubt too, but the evidence does seem to point to the leadership itself.

- their scholars repeatedly telling that supporting the Wali e Faqih is more important than waiting for Imam e Zamana (a.j.f)

- Jawad Naqvi, the so-called champion of the Revolutionary Cause in Pakistan, actually called him the "Ulil Amr" from Ayat 4:59. Neither Jawad Naqvi or Sajid Naqvi are lone sharks isolated from the Iranian leadership.

- their constant disregard for governments in the "Shia Crescent". Doesn't matter how unstable these countries become and how many foreigners die, as long as Iran "borders" Israel while Israel doesn't.

Doesn't answer the question 

[Haji 2003]

Quote

Mehmood Ali Jan, a member of the local peace committee and part of the jirga that held meetings this week, says that the conflict arose between Maleekhel, a Shia-majority tribe, and Madgi Kalay, a Sunni-majority tribe, over a tract of land in Boshehra village, situated 15km (9 miles) south of Parachinar city.

“It was a piece of agricultural land originally owned by the Shia tribe, which they had leased to the Sunni tribe for farming purposes. The lease was supposed to end this July, but when the time came, they refused to return the land, leading to fighting,” Jan told Al Jazeera.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/2/kurram-clashes-how-a-pakistani-land-dispute-led-to-a-deadly-tribal-battle

[Panzerwaffe]

4 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

@AbdusSibtayn

@Hussein999

@Panzerwaffe

@Sabrejet

It is a mistake to start comparing who is a bigger victim here between the Palestinians and Parachinaris or any other victim groups.

The enemies of Islam see us as a single symbiote and to them a dead Muslim is a dead Muslim regardless of whether he is Palestinian or Pakistani or Lebanese. 

The mother of a Parachinari martyr is just as much of our support as the mother of a Palestinian martyr.

Let's be united in our condemnation of all violence against innocent people no matter where it is.

Biggest enemies of Islam are within Muslims esp as a Shia you know this better than anyone else 

same argument was used by those who wanted imam Ali to seek truce with muawiyah to fight the Roman’s or Turks , but at that time it was far more worthy to fight other Muslims 

No white man or Jew ever called me a khatmal 

Are we willing to condemn violence against innocents when Muslims  are the perpetrators? And non muslims  the victims 

 

Edited August 2 by Panzerwaffe

[Panzerwaffe]

11 hours ago, Hussein999 said:

True.

Their leadership have been assasinated one by one, just saying. I don't know what rock you've been living under for the past 80 years.

Typical lib take on geopolitics. Everything is Iran. 

I did, your terrible arguments aren't proof of anything. 

Attacking terrorists gangs who ethnically cleansed 750k people from their homes and butchered 20k based on some sick colonial ideology, who have been committing terror attacks for decades, killing even Jewish people who were leaving palestine in many instances before 1948 just so they can have their unhinged ethno state, is not a war of aggression. This is following the basics if ahlul bayt. 

Neither do Palestinians, neither did people from my village in southern lebanon who got opressed by these tyrants decades ago.

This has been all discussed in the Palestinian forums itself, so I won't derail this and start a whole debate about palestine, if you want to give me kadhim like responses go ahead, I certainly won't waste my time with this and probably won't reply to anyone trying to derail this into a palestine debate, I only mentionned palestinians because I saw people making unfair comparisons, most people on this website have the common sense to see where I am getting at, even the ones making the unfair comparisons would probably see where I am getting at. They could see why people being opressed to the point of exhaustion for almost a century, our holy sites being desecrated which both sunnis and shias care about, a genocide that has been described by so many experts as one of the more horrid they have seen, and so on, is getting more attention that an arab dictator killing 100 or what's happening in Pakistan right now. It's not that deep. 

But you on the other hand decided to give me goalpost shifts just so you can justify a genocide of allahu alam how many hundreds of thousands, as being less worse than what's happening in Pakistan. 

“ lib take “ means what ? I’m a liberal ? Whatever that means 
no iran is not to be blamed for everything never said that , nor is the west responsible for all our ills 

assasinated key word , fighting on the battlefield… hardly any 

Edited August 2 by Panzerwaffe

[Panzerwaffe]

4 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Israel was not a legally created sovereign state. You should read up on how it was created.

Ok so fight them legally , when you start solving a problem militarily then the one with the biggest stick will finish it 

[ShiaMan14]

40 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Biggest enemies of Islam are within Muslims esp as a Shia you know this better than anyone else 

agreed but how does play into this conversation?

 

40 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

same argument was used by those who wanted imam Ali to seek truce with muawiyah to fight the Roman’s or Turks , but at that time it was far more worthy to fight other Muslims 

 

I think you know that we are not talking about Palestinians and Parachinaris fighting each other.

40 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

No white man or Jew ever called me a khatmal 

raghead?

40 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Are we willing to condemn violence against innocents when Muslims  are the perpetrators? And non muslims  the victims 

Absolutely.

I always condemn whenever we hear about Muslims killing a non-Muslim in Pakistan or any where. 

Islam does not differentiate between taking an innocent life...what is wrong is wrong.

 

34 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Ok so fight them legally , when you start solving a problem militarily then the one with the biggest stick will finish it 

unless you break the stick

Edited August 2 by ShiaMan14

[islamicmusic]

18 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Salam bro 

I think you nailed it in the last paragraph, here I have a lot of acquaintances who are Armenians and they absolutely love the Islamic Republic because they are grateful for the support that have been provided to them against Azerbaijan and even Turkey( according to them , I personally cannot confirm that as I have a little interest in this affair) so helping Christians against fellow Muslims 

Actually the Islamic Republic has not helped any of the parties in the latest war. They haven't helped Armenia. It is just a claim with no proof at all. Iran supported peace between them.

In the first Karabagh war however, Iran supported Azarbaijan when Turks even denied sending evaucation helicopters. Turks abandoned Azeris just because Azeris were shiites. I remeber Turkish President Turgut Özal saying to the reporters; "They are Shiite, we are sunni. So, let Iran help them." And Iran helped the Azarbaijanis a lot. Opening up a corridor and evacuating thousands of Azeris into Iran and sending IRGC commanders to train Azeris, funding and arming them. Iranians even sacrificed their lives in the war. There are lots of documentaries regarding it. But the leadership of Azarbaijan betrayed Iran, Islam and the Muslims later. They banned Islamic practices such as hijab, mourning etc. And they sided with Israel against Palestine. Even during this war, SOCAR provides oil to Israel through Turkey. In the last 12 months SOCAR's export to Israel have doubled.

The latest Karabagh war was there so that the two dictators in Azarbaijan and Armenia stay in their posts. They don't care about Muslims or Christians. (It is not persuasive when Aliyev truns a Church into a Mosque when he bans Islamic practices at home). And guess what, you know the latest war was so that they revive racism among their nations, sacrifice the lives of youth to keep their posts. Turkey opened up its border with Armenia last week and made getting visas so easy. Armenian and Azarbaijani leaders trying to normalise and they even hugged and made jokes during their congrats meeting of Erdoğan's re-election. etc. 

So, the enemy wants Iran to be busy with another seperatist movement like GAMOH. And they don't want Azarbaijan, a shiite majority country, have shiite islamic laws rather than secular-godless laws and they don't want Iran to have more allies among neighbours. So, they ripped open the old Azeri-Armenian wounds. But Iran did not side with any. Iran wants strong, sovereign neighbours with no NATO, USA bases in them. But sadly Azarbaijan does and they even have Israelis active in it.

Edited August 2 by islamicmusic

[Lion of Shia]

On 8/1/2024 at 3:03 PM, JannahLM said:

Because the perpetrators are not Jews or westerners, thus there's no political incentive in bringing attention to it. Yes, it's terrible what is going on in Palestine, but I do believe it gets far more attention than many other atrocities because the perpetrators happen to be of Jewish descent. As Shias we need to be standing against all injustice and oppression, regardle/ss of who the victims are. 

does a person being bullied or a persecuted individual count

[JannahLM]

1 hour ago, Lion of Shia said:

does a person being bullied or a persecuted individual count

What do you mean?

[Lion of Shia]

11 hours ago, JannahLM said:

What do you mean?

as a person facing injustice like you said."we need to be standing against all injustice and oppression, regardle/ss of who the victims are." 

[ShiaChat Mod]

On 7/31/2024 at 10:44 PM, AbdusSibtayn said:

I was wondering if the self-professed 'Qa'id-e-Millat' has said anything yet.... 

Sorry. Thought this was referring to "Seyyed al-Qaid" or "Imam al-Qaid" since a few people try to complain about Ayatullah Khamenei not doing anything to help Pakistan. 

[JannahLM]

On 8/3/2024 at 11:02 AM, Lion of Shia said:

as a person facing injustice like you said."we need to be standing against all injustice and oppression, regardle/ss of who the victims are." 

Ah okay. Yes. We are explicitly taught to respect others.

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 8/4/2024 at 10:32 AM, ShiaChat Mod said:

Sorry. Thought this was referring to "Seyyed al-Qaid" or "Imam al-Qaid" since a few people try to complain about Ayatullah Khamenei not doing anything to help Pakistan. 

Those people are wrong.