Deafening Silence on the Parachinar Genocide

[AbdusSibtayn]

“In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends” -Martin Luther King Jr

It bleeds the heart to see that there is absolutely pin-drop silence on this continuing carnage with a decades-long history.

While it is understandable why the MSM might want to censor this news, the silence of political pundits from the Shi'a world- who generally have an opinion ready on every 'hot' political happening from Latin America to the Middle East and East Asia- is what is the most agonizing. 

Discord servers, WhatsApp and telegram groups, Facebook pages and feeds, Twitter handles online forums are choked with outrage posts, solidarity messages and 'expert' opinions whenever there is an atrocity somewhere in Palestine, but why is there not as much as a whisper on this genocide from these same demographics? 

What purpose does disregarding, cheapening and brushing under the carpet the blood and suffering our our brethren- in- imaan, who are one flesh and blood with the rest of us, serve? What 'geopolitical' expediency explains the studied silence of those who posit themselves at the head of not only the global Shi'a-dom, but world Islam? If a blasphemous spoof at the Paris Olympics is important enough to draw a reaction, surely it is not too much to expect that the bloodshed of fellow mu'mineen would be as important, if not more important? 

Days have passed since the carnage erupted, and not as much as a statement in all these days? 

Is their blood so cheap? Is it because they don't figure anywhere on the contemporary chessboard of geopolitical 'hot' topics? 

The usual spam posts, trolling, name-calling, naysaying and apologia and mud-slinging will inevitably follow after this post, but I don't care. 

@ShiaMan14 @Irfani313

[Jeffrey Rafidhi]

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و عن ابي عبد الله عليه سلام قال: ما من مومن يخزل اخاه  و هوا يقدر على نصرته الّا خزله الله فى الدنيا و الآخرة

"And from Abu Abdullah (peace be upon him), he said: There is no believer who abandons his brother while he is able to support him except that Allah will abandon him in this world and the Hereafter." (Mustadrak Al Wasa'el, Volume 9, Pg. 101)

8 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Is their blood so cheap?

Yes, brother their blood does not have any significance, their existence is nothing mere but the likeness of an ant who is trampled upon by other creatures. There will be no day dedicated for them in any month of a year, no mass gatherings for them, no sloganeering for them in gatherings, no campaigns for them in social media, no "All eyes on Parachinar" will be kept as status on social media, no tears will be shed for them since all the tears have been dedicated to Palestinians only.

8 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Is it because they don't figure anywhere on the contemporary chessboard of geopolitical 'hot' topics? 

Yes brother, they do not have any oil field to offer, a proxy to wage war on a significant high value geopolitical region, nor do they have any mineral resources to offer!!

Unfortunate they are, that although they share the same creed and follow the same theology, yet they do not possess any significance among the fellow Shias let alone any other community would stand for them!!

[ShiaMan14]

11 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Is their blood so cheap? Is it because they don't figure anywhere on the contemporary chessboard of geopolitical 'hot' topics? 

 

you nailed it here.

no one can use the shia in general and specifically in Parachinar for political expediency so doesn't make the news.

I was surprised to hear the much respected Allama Ameen Shaheedi say this was a political issue and not a religious one:
 

 

[Sabrejet]

The silence on the genocide of Parachinar is indeed deafening.

I wonder though; is this forum willing enough to discuss the role of all the players that lead to this tragedy?

[Diaz]

This is so sad, no news talked about what happened in Pakistan, majority of popular shia people did not talk about it too. I found about it through Reddit, what a shame. 

Anyway who can donate, please do below or share other links for others to donate. 
https://zahratrust.com/communityattacks/

[Lion of Shia]

I signed a Change document calling for end of killing pakistani shias, back  in 2011 about the killings of the shia in pakistan, before i offcially became shia, but this is really sad that it has resurfaced. prayers for victims.

[Azadeh307]

4 hours ago, Diaz said:

This is so sad, no news talked about what happened in Pakistan, majority of popular shia people did not talk about it too. I found about it through Reddit, what a shame. 

PressTV put out an article about it. https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/07/30/730304/44-Shia-Muslims-killed-in-pro-Taliban-militants’-attack-on-Parachinar

[ShiaMan14]

more from Allama Ameen Shaheedi. Essentially he is telling the government/army to control the situation before civilians take matter into their own hands.
 

 

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, Azadeh307 said:

PressTV put out an article about it. https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/07/30/730304/44-Shia-Muslims-killed-in-pro-Taliban-militants’-attack-on-Parachinar

They did that yesterday (today for some), I know about what happened to Parachinar since 4 days ago. Well atleast they talked about it.

[FreePalestine]

Palestine is obviously the number one issue of our Ummah. This does not mean we devalue any innocent blood, and especially people for nothing but saying Ali Wali Allah. Today, Palestine is important for all Shia and many of their security, safety, freedom, success.

[Sirius_Bright]

Iran, Khamanei and their followers give statements for Palestine day & Night. When it comes to Momineen of Parachinar, absolute silence. 

Because - Israel is foe, Taliban is friend. 

Thanks for bringing up the topic br. @AbdusSibtayn

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 7/30/2024 at 7:40 PM, ShiaMan14 said:

you nailed it here.

no one can use the shia in general and specifically in Parachinar for political expediency so doesn't make the news.

I was surprised to hear the much respected Allama Ameen Shaheedi say this was a political issue and not a religious one:
 

 

Bhaijan, with all due respect to Ameen Shahidi sahab, he has lost his marbles recently. From his bunglings on TV interviews to now this. Calling it 'mere land dispute' is simply parroting the nasibi apologist narrative. 

Here is an excellently and eloquently argued piece by Maulana Sharyar Raza Abidi, where he completely demolishes the 'land dispute' narrative and rightly argues that this is just a cover/ploy to exterminate the Shi'a in the region by the political establishment, the army and the ISI, and the Taliban. During the nasibi Afghan 'jihad', the Shi'a Turi and Bangash tribesmen refused to allow the nasibi 'mujahids' free passage through their lands in the KPK. Let us not forget that at the height of the anti-US attacks in Afghanistan launched from the Northern borderlands in early 2010s, the Shi'a of Parachinar were the biggest roadblock in the path of the agencies and their Taliban allies. They refused to let them take over their lands. The Shi'a Turi tribesmen resisted the Taliban from taking over Parachinar and the surrounding Shi'a villages in particular. No wonder these demons want the Shi'a gone. 

This is NOT a land dispute, and we should call it what it is- a sectarian genocide to exterminate the local Shi'a. And I can almost promise that this won't stop at Parachinar and spread to other regions. 

 

[AbdusSibtayn]

20 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Iran, Khamanei and their followers give statements for Palestine day & Night. When it comes to Momineen of Parachinar, absolute silence. 

Because - Israel is foe, Taliban is friend. 

Thanks for bringing up the topic br. @AbdusSibtayn

This coming from a 'Shi'a' government.... 

A few perfunctory statements are now appearing here and there in their press, but the main rung of the leadership is still mum. Too little too late. I am reminded of a couplet by Mir Taqi 'Mir'-

 ,بعد مرنے کے مری قبر پہ آیا وہ میر

یاد آئی مرے عیسیٰ کو دوا میرے بعد

Btw how are you doing bhaijan? Haven't heard from you in a long time. 

Edited August 1 by AbdusSibtayn

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 7/30/2024 at 9:12 PM, Sabrejet said:

The silence on the genocide of Parachinar is indeed deafening.

I wonder though; is this forum willing enough to discuss the role of all the players that lead to this tragedy?

Even if we are to not talk about what happened in the past, there is a lot to do about the present itself. 

Let alone what happened in the past, I don't think the powers that be are prepared to discuss what can be done now. Everyone seems to be looking the other way. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 7/30/2024 at 10:13 PM, Diaz said:

This is so sad, no news talked about what happened in Pakistan, majority of popular shia people did not talk about it too. I found about it through Reddit, what a shame. 

Anyway who can donate, please do below or share other links for others to donate. 
https://zahratrust.com/communityattacks/

Ignorance is not criminal, but to know of the killing of your people and still keep mum is. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 7/31/2024 at 3:31 AM, ShiaMan14 said:

more from Allama Ameen Shaheedi. Essentially he is telling the government/army to control the situation before civilians take matter into their own hands.
 

 

As expected. 

Shaheedi saab's political campist allegiance means that he will do anything but to call a spade a spade. We all know where his instructions come from. 

I was wondering if the self-professed 'Qa'id-e-Millat' has said anything yet.... 

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

I was wondering if the self-professed 'Qa'id-e-Millat' has said anything yet.... 

Salam respectfully you are crossing red lines by insulting to others based on your emotions not your logic which is against Shia chat policy which all of us agree on criticizing radical wahabis for masscare of people of Parachinar but on the other hand we don't allow insulting Shia leaders just based on your distorted emotions.  

[islamicmusic]

22 hours ago, Sirius_Bright said:

Iran, Khamanei and their followers give statements for Palestine day & Night. When it comes to Momineen of Parachinar, absolute silence. 

Because - Israel is foe, Taliban is friend. 

Thanks for bringing up the topic br. @AbdusSibtayn

The maraji speak about oppression everywhere. No tribalism-racism among Ayatollahs.

However, when they do speak about issues like in Nigeria, Bahrain, Pakistan, India etc. the response of those countries is "why meddle our domestic problems" and it worsens the situation for local shia minorities there. Their opponents claim; "See? Shias are backed by such and such countries. They are not Pakistanis or Indians or Azarbaijanis anymore. They are such and such countries' agents." etc.

I mean I even see shias online fighting one another due to tensions between Pakistan-India and each one backing up their own secular-godless regime against "the other" nation. (They are one nation but seperated by borders, regimes doings etc.)

So, shia Muslims and sunni Muslims who are on the side of the resistance axis need to unite in West Asia (Pakistan, India, Afghanistan etc.) They must voice the oppression so their countries feel forced to do something to stop the bloodshed there.

I mean if you add up the numbers of shia Muslims in Pakistan and India, they are greater in number than Iraq or maybe Iran. But when they can't or don't do something about it, why expect others to when the fitnahmongers have more cards (racism, so-called sovereignity etc) to use against Middle Eastern shia muslims.

See the example of Iraq? ISIS was active there butchering sunni and shia muslims. And Iraqi marja-ayatollah issuing a fatwa and forming of hashd al shabi saved all of them and defeated ISIS terrorists. If it were an Iranian marja-ayatollah issuing the fatwa instead, it would not have worked the same way. Sad but it is what it is. People take this nationalism thingie seriously even when the borders they talk about day and night were drawn by western imperialists after the world war. Anyway, that's why an Iraqi Ayatullah had to speak up and Iraqi shiites needed to gather along with sufis and sunnis to stand up against the takfiri-daesh terrorists.

So, shia Muslims in Pakistan, India, Azarbaijan, Turkey etc. need to study the Islamic Movements and Revolutions in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen etc. How they were formed, what policy did they have so they could unite people shias and sunnis alike under one banner etc. and apply a similar strategy in their own countries inshaAllah.

[ShiaChat Mod]

4 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

I was wondering if the self-professed 'Qa'id-e-Millat' has said anything yet.... 

I can understand that people don't realize that Ayatullah Khamenei was the president of Iran for many years before he became the Leader (Rahbar). He wasn't self-appointed because he was selected by the Ulema of the country. In fact, he originally disagreed with becoming the Leader but the members of the committee convinced him he was the best person for the position.  

[Hussein999]

https://en.mfa.ir/portal/newsview/750606/Iran-blasts-brutal-attack-on-Shia-Muslims-in-Pakistan’s-Parachinar

[Hussein999]

4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam respectfully you are crossing red lines by insulting to others based on your emotions not your logic which is against Shia chat policy which all of us agree on criticizing radical wahabis for masscare of people of Parachinar but on the other hand we don't allow insulting Shia leaders just based on your distorted emotions.  

The comparisons aren't even fair that are even being made on this forum, but nonetheless still horrible what's being done to shias there. Seems a disgusting attack that killed 44 has taken place. 

 

I have heard multiple times since allahu Alam when, occasional times where some wahhabi nutcase would kill a bunch of shias because of what some idiot "shia" in europe or America would say, which lead the people like immam khamenaei making fatwas against this public cursing of sunni figures.

[Sabrejet]

1 hour ago, Hussein999 said:

wahhabi nutcase would kill a bunch of shias

 

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

which all of us agree on criticizing radical wahabis

Not every anti shia person on Earth is a wahhabi. The Deobandis are Hanafi/Maturidi, which is about as mainstream Sunni as you can get.

[AbdusSibtayn]

6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam respectfully you are crossing red lines by insulting to others based on your emotions not your logic which is against Shia chat policy which all of us agree on criticizing radical wahabis for masscare of people of Parachinar but on the other hand we don't allow insulting Shia leaders just based on your distorted emotions.  

Then go ahead and ban me; as if I give two hoots about getting banned anymore. I will speak my mind, and no one can censor me. I haven't said anything insulting or abusive. I have not insulted any leader. 

And I was talking about Sajid Naqvi, not your marja. No need to act insecure if you are unfamiliar with Pakistani politics, and I don't owe you or anyone in your political camp any explanation as to where my 'distorted emotions' are coming from. 

I have done more to defend Iran in the online and the academic spheres  than any zealot apologist here has done, and my past posts are a testimony to it. 

If they claim that their politics represents the Shi'a cause on a global scale, they must also brace for criticism from the Shi'a worldwide whom they claim to represent. Or they can just say that they are a nation-state like others and represent only their geopolitical and national interests and come clear. They'll then be free from accountability, but until then, they'll have to put up with criticism. 

 

Edited August 1 by AbdusSibtayn

[AbdusSibtayn]

3 hours ago, ShiaChat Mod said:

I can understand that people don't realize that Ayatullah Khamenei was the president of Iran for many years before he became the Leader (Rahbar). He wasn't self-appointed because he was selected by the Ulema of the country. In fact, he originally disagreed with becoming the Leader but the members of the committee convinced him he was the best person for the position.  

Brother, once again, I am not talking about Sayyid Khamenei (ha), but Sajid Naqvi of Pakistan who claims to be the leader of all the Pakistani Shi'a, and has been styled 'Qa'id e Millat' by his hard-line followers. 

It is embarrassing that people here choose to attack me from this position of abysmal ignorance; surely the burden is not on me to educate each and everyone on Pakistani politics, on a thread concerning Pakistani politics, when they are unfamiliar with its very rudiments? 

This is the type of mudslinging that I was precisely talking about in my opening post. 

It is pathetic that people are not even considering my past record vis a vis Iran before joining the slugfest. 

Edited August 1 by AbdusSibtayn

[AbdusSibtayn]

25 minutes ago, Sabrejet said:

 

Not every anti shia person on Earth is a wahhabi. The Deobandis are Hanafi/Maturidi, which is about as mainstream Sunni as you can get.

The Barelvis are also as anti- Shi'a, if not more. 

We are pretty much on our own and have no one to back us except the prayers of the Imam of our age (aj) ; the sooner us South Asian Shi'a realize this, the better. 

Edited August 1 by AbdusSibtayn

[AbdusSibtayn]

I have seen and have made careful note of some of the responses to this topic. They are just as I had anticipated. 

This is exactly the sort of behaviour which alienates even those who are sympathetic to your cause. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 7/30/2024 at 4:17 PM, Jeffrey Rafidhi said:

Yes, brother their blood does not have any significance, their existence is nothing mere but the likeness of an ant who is trampled upon by other creatures. There will be no day dedicated for them in any month of a year, no mass gatherings for them, no sloganeering for them in gatherings, no campaigns for them in social media, no "All eyes on Parachinar" will be kept as status on social media, no tears will be shed for them since all the tears have been dedicated to Palestinians only.

Yes brother, they do not have any oil field to offer, a proxy to wage war on a significant high value geopolitical region, nor do they have any mineral resources to offer!!

Unfortunate they are, that although they share the same creed and follow the same theology, yet they do not possess any significance among the fellow Shias let alone any other community would stand for them!!

These very people were the rank and file of the Zainabiyoon brigade, who gave away their lives to defend the atabat in Syria. 

Their blood has mixed with the earth of Sayyida Zaynab (sa) 's shrine. They are one big reason why her dome stands tall and proud today, besides the will and the help of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) of course. 

Now they must see that their lives are dispensable. 

But we ought not to complain, as our ajr is ultimately with Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), not with humans. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

https://en.irna.ir/news/85553987/Iran-condemns-terrorist-attack-on-Shias-in-Pakistan-s-Parachinar

Official condemnation from the foreign ministry; what we had been waiting for, because even verbal support is a huge moral boost. It will show the nasibi establishment that the Shi'a are not pariahs and have someone to support them, and that there are going to be diplomatic and geopolitical consequences if they continue with the bloodbath and don't rein in their terrorist proxies. 

[ShiaMan14]

@AbdusSibtayn

Salaam.

I was so confused as to when Ayatollah Khamenei became "Qaid-e-Millat".

I won't say anything against Maulana Ameen Shaheedi because he knows more about the ground realities of Pakistan than me. Perhaps he is purposely trying to make this a non-sectarianism issue to temper the issue but I give him the benefit of doubt.

Sajjad Naqvi on the other hand...WHAT A TOOL!!!

 

One other thing to add, Iran does a lot for the shias of Pakistan behind the scenes. They are not open about it because their overt involvement will add more fuel to the fire. 

Edited August 1 by ShiaMan14

[Hussein999]

2 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

 

Not every anti shia person on Earth is a wahhabi. The Deobandis are Hanafi/Maturidi, which is about as mainstream Sunni as you can get.

They're all nasibis, wahhabis are just the most famous ones, these types who kill shias I mean, obviously not all sunnis or even wahhabi will be a nasibi. I see then all as the same despite their differences, it's irrelevant when these lunatics kill shias, especially when some idiot in the west couldn't keep their mouths shut. It's very concerning this is flaring up again, in this situation now from what I heard it was a wahhabi nutcase who said something about shia blood being halal and then this entire thing blew up. 

Edited August 1 by Hussein999

[Sabrejet]

1 hour ago, Hussein999 said:

They're all nasibis, wahhabis are just the most famous ones, these types who kill shias I mean, obviously not all sunnis or even wahhabi will be a nasibi. I see then all as the same despite their differences, it's irrelevant when these lunatics kill shias, especially when some idiot in the west couldn't keep their mouths shut. It's very concerning this is flaring up again, in this situation now from what I heard it was a wahhabi nutcase who said something about shia blood being halal and then this entire thing blew up. 

The Barelvis and most Deobandis aren't openly Nasibi. And no, even when "idiot shia in the west" were not a thing they have been killing us. They have always been killing us.

This narrative of teaming up with sunnis against a minority nasibis was always flawed to begin with.

[Hussein999]

33 minutes ago, Sabrejet said:

The Barelvis and most Deobandis aren't openly Nasibi. And no, even when "idiot shia in the west" were not a thing they have been killing us. They have always been killing us.

This narrative of teaming up with sunnis against a minority nasibis was always flawed to begin with.

I am fully aware this has been going on for long before, but these fools made it even worse, this isn't as black and white. It's not, it's worked well in many ways, but people decide to focus on the negative and generalize most sunnis the same way ignorant sunnis generalize most shias, it's immature behaviour and people need to grow up.

In anyways, this is derailing from the subject, it's probably what the mods want, so I will stop debating this. 

[Sabrejet]

23 minutes ago, Hussein999 said:

but these fools made it even worse

The fools who made it even worse than those are the ones that recruited a brigade from Parachinar for their own geopolitical motives. Those who know, know.

[AbdusSibtayn]

4 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

@AbdusSibtayn

Salaam.

I was so confused as to when Ayatollah Khamenei became "Qaid-e-Millat".

I won't say anything against Maulana Ameen Shaheedi because he knows more about the ground realities of Pakistan than me. Perhaps he is purposely trying to make this a non-sectarianism issue to temper the issue but I give him the benefit of doubt.

Sajjad Naqvi on the other hand...WHAT A TOOL!!!

 

One other thing to add, Iran does a lot for the shias of Pakistan behind the scenes. They are not open about it because their overt involvement will add more fuel to the fire. 

I am not trying to disrespect him either bhaijan, but I strongly feel that to appear politically correct, he is trying to downplay the sectarian element which is the root of the problem. These niceties have never helped us in all these years. One has to call a spade a spade. Land or no land, these ogres would have killed us anyway and they have been planning a total extermination for over four decades now. 

Of course it goes without saying. Iran does a lot and it serves us better to be quiet about it, but some times, one has to confront the enemy openly and grab the raging bull by the horns. 

Shehbaz Sharif is internationally beleaguered now. His American and Gulf nasibi friends are not giving him much attention. Asim Muneer is also busy dealing with his arch-nemesis (Imran Khan). Even a diplomatic communique or a summon to the high commissioner would have a sobering effect. They will then have to rein in their Frankenstein monsters in the FATA. I am not talking about military intervention either- that has to continue secretly and behind the scenes. 

[Guest Spade a Spade]

It’s really unclassy to start yelling at the IRI whenever they misstep here and there. I see it a lot when some odd “sabres” start rattling here. Haven’t you learned anything from Syria, Iraq, and now Palestine dude? You think you can go for Ziaraat to half of the WestAsia because your malang beads warded off the hordes of dajjals’ minions? Or maybe you roasted all of them in your ninja-warrior Haleem / Biryani DEGHs, and devoured all of them in your matami-sangat? 

Parachinar Shia have been fighting this wretched ديوث paki army (paid for the mercenary activities for the western hegemony) for past 30 years or so. They don’t have an ammo factory, a light arms manufacturing, or an ordnance chemical plant, yet they have been tit-4-tatting for past three decades against these west + saudi mercenaries.
 

I’m surprised all of you super smart brothers haven’t connected the dots yet of how and where have they been getting the tools of survival, extermination, and safety????
 

What’s said on media is one, what’s made noise on is one, and what’s get provided is another issue altogether.  

And here mark my words, the more the ZioColony gets bled in West Asia, the more Shia killings we would see in ParaChi, KHI, KashM, and Afg.

Punjab of course would be spared because shias there are as useless as the turtle on a charcoal road.