Does Shia think Sunnis will go to hell

[Yazeed sarmami]

Salam3alaikum I am a new convert for now I am sunni i may change to Shia and may not

my question today Is

Does Shias think Sunni’s will go to hell?Because the Quran says those who Pray give zakaat fast ramadan and do hajj and good behavior will go to heaven, So if i am sunni I do nothing but good things pray read Quran only difference is that i dont believe Omar(رضي الله عنه) and Abu bakr(رضي الله عنه) ( DONT ANSWER BY WHY THEY ARE BAD THATS NOT MY QUESTION) So if I do all that good deeds and pray for Allah i will go to hell just because I believe Omar(رضي الله عنه) and Abu Bakr(رضي الله عنه) are good people? That does not sound fair. Again i am new convert my shia friends told me i will go to hell if i become sunni that made me angry how come I do all that good work and still go to hell Isnt Allah the most fair?

[Guest Quran]

لَا يَصْلَىٰهَآ إِلَّا ٱلْأَشْقَى

92:15

 

Edited July 20 by Hameedeh
Typo removed

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

I am a sunni Muslim who reverted. I will say from sunni point of view that shia are Muslims and that while I don't agree with some practices of some sunnis and some shia I don't believe all shia will go to heaven or hell just as I believe not all sunnis will go to heaven or hell. At the end of the day if you say shahadah and are a Muslim and are sincere that's what counts. I am not a scholar.

[Abu Nur]

On 7/19/2024 at 11:52 PM, Yazeed sarmami said:

Salam3alaikum I am a new convert for now I am sunni i may change to Shia and may not my question today Is

Does Shias think Sunni’s will go to hell?Because the Quran says those who Pray give zakaat fast ramadan and do hajj and good behavior will go to heaven, So if i am sunni I do nothing but good things pray read Quran only difference is that i dont believe Omar(رضي الله عنه) and Abu bakr(رضي الله عنه) ( DONT ANSWER BY WHY THEY ARE BAD THATS NOT MY QUESTION) So if I do all that good deeds and pray for Allah i will go to hell just because I believe Omar(رضي الله عنه) and Abu Bakr(رضي الله عنه) are good people? That does not sound fair. Again i am new convert my shia friends told me i will go to hell if i become sunni that made me angry how come I do all that good work and still go to hell Isnt Allah the most fair?

Wa Aleikum Salaam,

A Sunni Muslim who follow Qur'an and the Sunnah and do not fall for sinning and do good deeds and who do not hate, mock and lower down Prophet Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام) will be by Grace of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) saved, only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can judge. All this can be proved from Qur'an.

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, Abu Nur said:

Wa Aleikum Salaam,

A Sunni Muslim who follow Qur'an and the Sunnah and do not fall for sinning and do good deeds and who do not hate, mock and lower down Prophet Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام) will be by Grace of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) saved, only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) can judge. All this can be proved from Qur'an.

But does that mean Sunnis are the followers of the prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) as well? Or only shia are the real ummah of the prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم))?

[Abu Nur]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

But does that mean Sunnis are the followers of the prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) as well? Or only shia are the real ummah of the prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم))?

They are categories as Muslims and generally all of us is one Ummah. The shias are in the highest station who accepted the wilayat that was instructed by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) through the  Prophet (saws) , making us only the sect that truly is the guided one.

That's why the narration says:

Nasr b. ‘Abd al-Rahman al-Kufi – Zayd b. al-Hasan al-Anmati – Ja’far b. Muhammad – his father – Jabir b. ‘Abd Allah:

I saw the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, during his Hajj on the Day of ‘Arafat while he was on his camel, al-Qaswa, delivering a sermon, and I heard him saying: “O mankind! I have left behind over you1 that which if you hold fast to it you will never go astray: the Book of Allah and my offspring, my Ahl al-Bayt.”2

[Abu Nur]

Another Sahih narration from Sunnis

Ishaq said: Abu ‘Amir al-‘Aqadi – Kathir b. Zayd – Muhammad b. ‘Umar b. ‘Ali – his father - ‘Ali:

Verily, the Prophet, peace be upon him, came to a tree at (Ghadir) Khumm. Then he came out, holding the hand of ‘Ali, and saying: “Do you not testify that Allah is your Lord?” They said, “Yes, we do.” He said, “Do you not testify that Allah and His Messenger are more entitled to you than yourselves and that Allah and His Messenger are your Awliya?” They said, “Yes, we do”. He said, “So, whosoever Allah and His Messenger are his Mawla, verily this one (i.e. ‘Ali) is his mawla. I I have left behind over you that which if you hold fast to it you will never go astray: the Book of Allah – one end of which is in His Hand and the other in your hands – and my Ahl al-Bayt.”10

Then, al-Hafiz comments:

هذا إسناد صحيح

This chain is sahih

These are narrations that Sunnis will never show to the converts.

[Diaz]

3 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

They are categories as Muslims and generally all of us is one Ummah. The shias are in the highest station who accepted the wilayat that was instructed by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) through the  Prophet (saws) , making us only the sect that truly is the guided one.

I agree with everything you said brother, but I always have this doubt, if we are all the ummah of the prophet and Sunnis are Muslims, then as a Shia, if I prayed like them, why should I repeat my prayers? 

[Ashvazdanghe]

5 hours ago, Diaz said:

if I prayed like them, why should I repeat my prayers? 

Salam you don't need to repeat your prayers which you hav prayed when you have been a Sunni muslim which now you are reverted to Shia Muslim .

On 7/20/2024 at 8:22 AM, Yazeed sarmami said:

Again i am new convert my shia friends told me i will go to hell if i become sunni that made me angry how come I do all that good work and still go to hell Isnt Allah the most fair?

This is a total nonsense from your Shia friend who maybe under influence of an infamous radical grouplet .

On 7/20/2024 at 8:22 AM, Yazeed sarmami said:

So if I do all that good deeds and pray for Allah i will go to hell just because I believe Omar(رضي الله عنه) and Abu Bakr(رضي الله عنه) are good people?

Even based Sunni standards loving them is not obligatory but on the other hand loving Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام) is obligatory precondition for going to heaven/Paradise .

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When Allah gathers together all the earlier and later generations on the Day of Resurrection, every betrayer will be brought up with a sign of his/her betrayal. This sign, which will take a form of a banner accompanying the betrayer, will disclose one's betrayal and brings him/her disgrace among people.

عن عبد الله بن عمر رضي الله عنهما مرفوعاً: "إذا جمع الله عز وجل الأَوَّلِينَ والآخِرين: يرفع لكل غادر لِوَاءٌ، فيقال: هذه غَدْرَةُ فلان بن فلان".  
[صحيح] - [متفق عليه]
المزيــد ...

‘Abdullāh ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said: "When Allah, the Almighty, gathers together (on the Day of Judgment) all the earlier and later generations of mankind, a banner will be raised for every betrayer, and it will be said: 'This is the betrayal of so-and-so, the son of so-and-so.'"  
Sahih/Authentic. - [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Explanation

When Allah gathers together all the earlier and later generations on the Day of Resurrection, every betrayer will be brought up with a sign of his/her betrayal. This sign, which will take a form of a banner accompanying the betrayer, will disclose one's betrayal and brings him/her disgrace among people. 

https://hadeethenc.com/en/browse/hadith/2936

 

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What is the destiny of Sunnis in the afterlife according to Shia teachings?

 

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) Knows the destiny of every one from us, but He ordered us to follow and obey the Prophet Muhammad (SAWA) as we read in Quran : (Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger and your divine leaders)(AhlulBayt).(Sura 4, verse 59).

Those who obey Allah and His Messenger will win a great win. (Sura 33, verse 71).

We follow Quran and Ahlul Bayt (عليه السلام) after the Prophet (SAWA) as he has clearly ordered every Muslim to keep following Quran and Ahlul Bayt. ( Saheeh Muslim 7:123, Sunan Al-Tirmithi  5: 329. Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal 4:267,  Al-Mutadrak ALAL Saheehain by Al-Haakim al-Nisabouri 3L110, Sunan Al-Daarimi 432, Sunan al-Bayhaqi 2:148 and Musannaf ibn Abi Shaibah 7: 418.

Wassalam.

Sayyed Mohammad Al-Musawi, Sayyed Mohammad al-Musawi is originally from Iraq and heads up the World Ahlul Bayt Islamic League in London. Other than being involved in various humanitarian projects, he frequently responds to...Answered 2 months ago

https://www.al-islam.org/ask/topics/4100/questions-about-Hell

https://www.al-islam.org/what-everyone-should-know-about-islam-ibrahim-amini/chapter-4-resurrection-or-hereafter

https://erfan.ir/english/19514.html

https://www.al-islam.org/resurrection-maad-quran-ibrahim-amini/gathering-humans-hashr

 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 7/20/2024 at 8:22 AM, Yazeed sarmami said:

So if I do all that good deeds and pray for Allah i will go to hell just because I believe Omar(رضي الله عنه) and Abu Bakr(رضي الله عنه) are good people? That does not sound fair

 The day We shall summon every group of people along with their imam, then whoever is given his book in his right hand—they will read it, and they will not be wronged so much as a single date-thread. (71) But whoever has been blind in this [world], will be blind in the Hereafter, and [even] more astray from the [right] way. (72) 

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/17:71

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/17:72

In this blessed verse, he says: We call each group because of their imam, and the letter of action of those who are given from the right side is like this. Blessed people are called because of and by the Imam, and they are blessed by the letter of action. Imam is like a magnet that gathers all objects of the same shape in its magnetic spectrum. The magnet absorbs all the iron particles, not the copper, zinc and nickel particles. Imams of truth and leaders of justice,attract  righteous and just people; And false imams attract deviant, militant and transgressive people.

https://fa.al-shia.org/محشور-شدن-افراد-با-پيشوايان-خود-در-آخرت/

[Ashvazdanghe]

 

 

 

 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Is Love for Ahlul Bayt (pbut) Enough for Salvation?

On 7/20/2024 at 8:22 AM, Yazeed sarmami said:

I do all that good work and still go to hell Isnt Allah the most fair?

The goal for us is to develop the kind of love that is manifested in our actions. The Holy Quran calls to a love that is transformational and inspires us to be obedient (3:31): “Say: If you love God, then follow me, God will love you and forgive you your faults, and God is Forgiving, Merciful.”

 

Imam Ali al-Rida (p) reportedly said, “Do not abandon righteous deeds and striving in worship out of reliance on the love of the Ahlul Bayt.” [Fiqh al-Rida, p. 339] Indeed, believers should consistently strive, with their very best effort, to cleanse their hearts and purify their souls, in emulating the character of the Ahlul Bayt (pbut). 

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Sayyid Sistani makes clear that crying for Imam Hussain (p) has great rewards that are undeniable but that does not negate the fact that we still have duties toward God; the promise of paradise for crying for Imam Hussain (p) is dependent upon our mourning being accepted.

And the accumulation of sins may prevent our mourning for Imam Hussain (p) from being accepted. So believers should not feel safe from God’s punishment should we abandon our religious obligations or commit forbidden acts. 

1. Improve our worship and relationship with the Quran

 

We remember the night of Ashura for it being an opportunity for the Imam to increase his prayers and devotion to God, advising his brother al-Abbas to approach the enemy and extend the beginning of the battle because, “I have always loved to pray to Him, recite His Book, and make frequent supplications and seek forgiveness” (Sayyid Muhammad Kazim al-Qazwini, Maqtal al-Imam al-Hussain). 

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If we are true followers of the Imams (pbut), we will take prayer seriously. Imam Sadiq (p) reportedly said, “Our intercession will not benefit those who belittle prayers.” [Man la yahduruhu al-faqih, v. 1, p. 206]. So let’s strive to utilize the inspiration we take from these nights in obedience to God and recitation of His book. 

2. Commitment to the most vulnerable

3. Selflessness and self-sacrifice 

https://imam-us.org/is-love-for-ahlul-bayt-pbut-enough-for-salvation

[Diaz]

4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam you don't need to repeat your prayers which you hav prayed when you have been a Sunni muslim which now you are reverted to Shia Muslim

According to sayid sistani? Because I remember a sheikh who follows sayid sistani said I should repeat my prayer. Example if I went for umrah and I feel like I’m in dangerous because I’m Shia, I can do taqiya and pray like Sunni infront if everyone but after that I must redo it 

[Ashvazdanghe]

18 hours ago, Diaz said:

According to sayid sistani? Because I remember a sheikh who follows sayid sistani said I should repeat my prayer. Example if I went for umrah and I feel like I’m in dangerous because I’m Shia, I can do taqiya and pray like Sunni infront if everyone but after that I must redo it 

Salam if you have done Taqiya after reverting to shia Islam so then you must redo your prayers but on the other hand you don't need to redo your  prayers when you have been a Sunni Muslim before reverting to the Shia Muslim . . 

[Sabrejet]

OP. The vast majority of sunnis won't go to hell just because they revere certain personalities out of ignorance. However, the ones who have seen and understood the proofs and still choose to reject them are another story entirely.

Half my family is sunni. They neither know nor care too much about history. For them, Islam is basic - prayers, ,fasting, hajj, zakat etc. Most of them are not sectarian. I believe most sunnis are like that, and they are not necessarily hell-bound.

However, there are a few sectarian nasibis in my family. I only tolerate them as long as I have to, but I wouldn't cross my fingers for them.

[Shian e Ali]

On 7/21/2024 at 7:00 AM, Diaz said:

According to sayid sistani? Because I remember a sheikh who follows sayid sistani said I should repeat my prayer. Example if I went for umrah and I feel like I’m in dangerous because I’m Shia, I can do taqiya and pray like Sunni infront if everyone but after that I must redo it 

As a Shi'a, you are certain about the way imams prayed. So it's your duty to follow in their footsteps. Sunnis on the other hand are confused and believe it's alright to pray the way they do. To purposely make a mistake is wrong, it's alright as long as they don't know. When I became a Shi'a, I prayed the Sunni way for at least 5 years out of fear, because I had no choice. 

[Guest111]

I don't do takfir myself but I was curious about the reasoning for this. 4:150-151 of the quran is quite clear in calling those who reject any of the prophets (عليهم السلام) a disbeliever.

 

150:

إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ يَكْفُرُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦ وَيُرِيدُونَ أَن يُفَرِّقُوا۟ بَيْنَ ٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦ وَيَقُولُونَ نُؤْمِنُ بِبَعْضٍۢ وَنَكْفُرُ بِبَعْضٍۢ وَيُرِيدُونَ أَن يَتَّخِذُوا۟ بَيْنَ ذَٰلِكَ سَبِيلًا

Surely those who deny Allah and His messengers and wish to make a distinction between Allah and His messengers, saying, “We believe in some and disbelieve in others,” desiring to forge a compromise,

151:

أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْكَـٰفِرُونَ حَقًّۭا ۚ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَـٰفِرِينَ عَذَابًۭا مُّهِينًۭا

they are indeed the true disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

 

So why is it different when it comes to someone who rejects any of the Imams (عليهم السلام)?

Edited September 17 by Guest111

[Abu_Zahra]

42 minutes ago, Guest111 said:

So why is it different when it comes to someone who rejects any of the Imams (عليهم السلام)?

Because the Quran has specifically mentioned the belief in Prophethood as a requirement for Islam, thus the shahadatain to become a Muslim. 

Not believing in Imamah doesn't take one out of the fold of Islam

[Guest111]

26 minutes ago, Abu_Zahra said:

Because the Quran has specifically mentioned the belief in Prophethood as a requirement for Islam, thus the shahadatain to become a Muslim. 

Not believing in Imamah doesn't take one out of the fold of Islam

Yes I do see that that is how one would interpret the verses at face value, but if the Imams are the successors of the prophets and by rejecting any of them you'd be rejecting a divine decree of who you must follow, where does the difference lie in the obligation of obeying them?

 

Because I doubt that obedience to them would be something that is optional and something that isn't punishable if you don't do so.

Edited September 17 by Guest111

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 7/20/2024 at 9:52 AM, Yazeed sarmami said:

Salam3alaikum I am a new convert for now I am sunni i may change to Shia and may not

my question today Is

Does Shias think Sunni’s will go to hell?Because the Quran says those who Pray give zakaat fast ramadan and do hajj and good behavior will go to heaven, So if i am sunni I do nothing but good things pray read Quran only difference is that i dont believe Omar(رضي الله عنه) and Abu bakr(رضي الله عنه) ( DONT ANSWER BY WHY THEY ARE BAD THATS NOT MY QUESTION) So if I do all that good deeds and pray for Allah i will go to hell just because I believe Omar(رضي الله عنه) and Abu Bakr(رضي الله عنه) are good people? That does not sound fair. Again i am new convert my shia friends told me i will go to hell if i become sunni that made me angry how come I do all that good work and still go to hell Isnt Allah the most fair?

Are you fair to Allah (عزّ وجلّ) when he ordered you that never to make those your Imam who are evil. So, why you keep such high wishes of Allah (عزّ وجلّ) that he should not account you for your sins but you enter his paradise even though you does not fulfill his commands.

Note:- I do not believe all sunnis will go to hell rather those who were made confused will enter heaven if they have not committed a serious human right violation.

[Ashvazdanghe]

Salam similar related thread

 

 

Edited September 28 by Ashvazdanghe

[Panzerwaffe]

On 7/23/2024 at 12:06 PM, Sabrejet said:

OP. The vast majority of sunnis won't go to hell just because they revere certain personalities out of ignorance. However, the ones who have seen and understood the proofs and still choose to reject them are another story entirely.

Half my family is sunni. They neither know nor care too much about history. For them, Islam is basic - prayers, ,fasting, hajj, zakat etc. Most of them are not sectarian. I believe most sunnis are like that, and they are not necessarily hell-bound.

However, there are a few sectarian nasibis in my family. I only tolerate them as long as I have to, but I wouldn't cross my fingers for them.

Same excuse can be used for non Muslims