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As salam o aliakum everyone.
All praise belongs to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) whos the most mighty and the most merciful.

So there's been alot of exaggeration in subcontinent as i live here, that evil eye affects people like magic and whenever anything goes wrong, people start saying x, y or z got affected due to evil eye or nazar e bad whatever you call it.

It'd be beneficial if people here can share their experiences / sayings of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) from the Quran and sayings of Ahlebait (عليه السلام) regarding this matter.

Personally, i really doubt if its something that affects like magic. Because we humans at least do not possess super natural powers obviously. So my understanding is that when someone has some evil intention for you, that person would try to or even subconsciously act is such a way that can harm you physically or mentally. What do you say can this be an interpretation of evil-eye because it sounds much more logical to me.

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Ws Salam brother. We have the same issue here in Middle East where people love showing off and when something bad happens they will blame people. 
 

I remember I saw a picture of a Hadith about the prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) saying majority of his ummah will die from envy tho I think I read it from Sunni source. 
 

I do believe it’s true tho because many people are not grateful of what they have or they are evil and wish bad things to others.

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12 hours ago, Diaz said:

Ws Salam brother. We have the same issue here in Middle East where people love showing off and when something bad happens they will blame people. 
 

I remember I saw a picture of a Hadith about the prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) saying majority of his ummah will die from envy tho I think I read it from Sunni source. 
 

I do believe it’s true tho because many people are not grateful of what they have or they are evil and wish bad things to others.

It's really very strange to be honest because simply having an evil wish for someone or being jealous / hasad wouldn't actually make anything happen magically as shias obviously deny existence of magic

So, how come this belief fit in?

What makes more sense to me is the person, who has evil intentions for you, will try to harm you and that can be a logical meaning of evil-eye and that we should seek protection of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) against the evil. If we deny magic, i find it contradictory to believe in evil-eye as if would magically cause harm to others

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Yes i checked it out honestly there isn't much reliable stuff mentioned regarding the evil-eye.
Also the stuff that has been mentioned contains assumptions/speculations of transmitters

This verse was revealed when the disbelievers wanted to give the evil eye to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace. Some people from the Quraysh looked once at him and said: “We have never seen anyone like him or like his proofs”. The Banu Asad were renowned for their evil eye. A fat camel or cow would pass by one of them and, after giving it the evil eye, he would say to his slave-girl: “O girl, take a large basket and a silver coin and bring us some of the meat of this!” The camel or cow would fall dead straight after that and would then be hamstrung. Said al-Kalbi: “There was a man from the Arabs who used to abstain from food for two or three days and then raise part of his tent, upon the passing by of cattle, and say: ‘There are no grazing camels or sheep today better than these’, and the cattle would not proceed far before some of them would fall dead. The disbelievers requested this man to give the evil eye to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, but Allah, exalted is He, protected His Prophet and revealed this verse”.
(Wahidi - Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi) - The authenticity is unknown.

Forexample have a look at this narration. The dying of animal just by looking at it is certainly a metaphor. Also to take its meat, you'd have to act along with evil eye i:e physically harm the animal by killing it with a knife or sword and then taking its meat that i think relates to what i was saying earlier (the one who has evil eye/intentions will try to act in such a way that harms you physically or mentally not magically)

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5 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

shias obviously deny existence of magic

Wait what? Never heard of this.

Black magic exist and I never heard we Shias deny the existence of magic. 

 

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6 hours ago, Diaz said:

Wait what? Never heard of this.

Black magic exist and I never heard we Shias deny the existence of magic. 

 

Shias don't deny magic, but I have seen many shia scholars say that things like jinn possession, evil eye, etc... are all superstition. I even have family members who outright deny magic by saying that magic was stopped a long time ago, whilst others from my family who claim to have seen jinns in our local graveyard. 

It's 50/50.

 

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44 minutes ago, Ahmad8888 said:

Shias don't deny magic, but I have seen many shia scholars say that things like jinn possession, evil eye, etc... are all superstition. I even have family members who outright deny magic by saying that magic was stopped a long time ago, whilst others from my family who claim to have seen jinns in our local graveyard. 

It's 50/50.

 

I see, I hope someone can provide more information regarding magic and evil eyes, I believe in it since I was a kid. 

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On 5/3/2024 at 2:50 PM, Diaz said:

Wait what? Never heard of this.

Black magic exist and I never heard we Shias deny the existence of magic. 

 

here found some of aqwaal of our scholars

https://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2013/01/how-to-cure-black-magic.html?m=1

i:e Sheikh Tusi, Hilli etc.

 وأقرب الأقوال الأول، لان كل شئ خرج عن العادة الخارقة، فإنه لا يجوز أن يتأتى من الساحر. ومن جوز للساحر شيئا من هذا، فقد كفر لأنه لا يمكنه مع ذلك العلم بصحة المعجزات الدالة على النبوات، لأنه أجاز مثله من جهة الحيلة والسحر
The correct view out of these is the first one (i.e. that magic is just fake trickery and nothing else), because anything that is against the natural order, is beyond the power of a magician. Whoever believes that a magician can perform out of the ordinary acts (such as make someone sick or poor, cause obstacles in a woman getting married or conceiving a child etc) has committed absolute kufr, because with such an assumption it is then not even possible to ascertain the authenticity of the miracles of the prophets as then those miracles could be dismissed as being magic tricks.

السرائر - ابن إدريس الحلي - ج ٣ - الصفحة ٥٣٣
ولا حقيقة للسحر، وإنما هو تخيل وشعبذة، وعند بعض المخالفين أن له حقيقة
And there is no reality at all of magic, it is just an illusion and trickery, but some mukhalifeen (non shias) believe (foolishly) that it is real.

Rest can be read online.

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On 5/4/2024 at 2:46 AM, Mightyservant said:

If it doesn’t exist what do we make of وَمِن شَرِّ حَاسِدٍ إِذَا حَسَدَ?

The person who's jeaelous of you would try to harm you brother. He can do politics i:e office/family or even physically harm you as in being robbed at gun point etc. This is much more logical and that can better explain meaning of evil-eye i believe. Because eyes can't magically cast a spell on someone.

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On 5/3/2024 at 9:12 PM, Ahmad8888 said:

whilst others from my family who claim to have seen jinns in our local graveyard. 

i grew up listening to these stories but found out almost all of them were made up. My grandfather used to tell us scary stories so did others but admitted long time ago that itt was just to scare kids lol. I do not deny jins as its evident from Quran but I'm not sure about possession by jin etc. Most of the claims of meeting jins etc are fake to be honest.

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4 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

here found some of aqwaal of our scholars

https://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2013/01/how-to-cure-black-magic.html?m=1

i:e Sheikh Tusi, Hilli etc.

 وأقرب الأقوال الأول، لان كل شئ خرج عن العادة الخارقة، فإنه لا يجوز أن يتأتى من الساحر. ومن جوز للساحر شيئا من هذا، فقد كفر لأنه لا يمكنه مع ذلك العلم بصحة المعجزات الدالة على النبوات، لأنه أجاز مثله من جهة الحيلة والسحر
The correct view out of these is the first one (i.e. that magic is just fake trickery and nothing else), because anything that is against the natural order, is beyond the power of a magician. Whoever believes that a magician can perform out of the ordinary acts (such as make someone sick or poor, cause obstacles in a woman getting married or conceiving a child etc) has committed absolute kufr, because with such an assumption it is then not even possible to ascertain the authenticity of the miracles of the prophets as then those miracles could be dismissed as being magic tricks.

السرائر - ابن إدريس الحلي - ج ٣ - الصفحة ٥٣٣
ولا حقيقة للسحر، وإنما هو تخيل وشعبذة، وعند بعض المخالفين أن له حقيقة
And there is no reality at all of magic, it is just an illusion and trickery, but some mukhalifeen (non shias) believe (foolishly) that it is real.

Rest can be read online.

But what about harut and marut? Aren’t they the angels who were teaching humans how to cast spells?

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On 5/3/2024 at 12:05 PM, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Forexample have a look at this narration. The dying of animal just by looking at it is certainly a metaphor. Also to take its meat, you'd have to act along with evil eye i:e physically harm the animal by killing it with a knife or sword and then taking its meat that i think relates to what i was saying earlier (the one who has evil eye/intentions will try to act in such a way that harms you physically or mentally not magically)

Salam evil eye can't kill directly or immediately something likewise an animal but in explanation of mentioned narration that animal after affection with evil eye of that person would show strange or aggressive behavior likewise trying to harm itself or other animals near to it , so therefore owner of animal would kill affected animal by knife  or sword in order to  this affection wouldn't spread between his other animals so then after killing it he would give a share of it's meat to person with evil eye in order that he wouldn't cause further trouble for him . 

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17 hours ago, Diaz said:

But what about harut and marut? Aren’t they the angels who were teaching humans how to cast spells?

Yeah but they have said it's just for examining people which any spell won't affect without permission of Allah also they have thought it to people to cope with with evil jinns but people have tried to use it to harm other people .  

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On 5/4/2024 at 9:49 PM, EiE said:

I have never understood this evil eye thing.

Someone casting a glanze at you, suddenly something bad happens? How many evil or negative glances don't famous people have from millions of haters? Yet, they never seem to mention "evil eye"

 

 

Salam there is many celebrities who are using stereotypical things for it which is different in any culture which for example using Kabala for achieving success & stopping haters is very common between hollywood & hollywood & K-POP  celebrities which using a thin red ribbon which is made by a Kabala master is too common between them &   in similar fashion Bollywood celebrities are using some amulets & other hindu staff  even unfortunately sometimes you can find using such unislamic symbols between some Iranian celebrities specially actresses & actors too . 

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7 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Yeah but they have said it's just for examining people which any spell won't affect without permission of Allah also they have thought it to people to cope with with evil jinns but people have tried to use it to harm other people .  

Yes so that mean people use magic against another people for evil things. But does that mean magic and evil eyes doesn’t exist?

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On 5/4/2024 at 12:46 AM, Mightyservant said:

If it doesn’t exist what do we make of وَمِن شَرِّ حَاسِدٍ إِذَا حَسَدَ?

It is about acting upon ones envy and carrying out with practice. Evil spells, demon possession are real, but they are very rare. Majority statements about people possessed by Sihir is rubish, because majority of them have mental illness or false judgement.

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It is important to distinguish between the cultural "evil eye", which can affect and the practice of true black magic in Kabbalah.

 

It is important to distinguish between the cultural concept of the evil eye, which affects anyone with some bad luck or with some small flu symptoms etc according to the fanatic believers, and the real dark of black magic practices and Kabbalah stuffs.

 

Interestingly, discussions about the evil eye seem to be more prevalent in Islamic nations, implying a perception that Muslims wish harm upon each other, which is kinda hypocritical and also funny when you think about it.

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16 hours ago, Diaz said:

Yes so that mean people use magic against another people for evil things. But does that mean magic and evil eyes doesn’t exist?

Salam both of these two exists but can't affect a believer without permission of Allah which even if these affects him so then it will be an examine for the believer which that person can cope with it with dua & repentance from sins & following recommended  instructions for nullifying these   in books likewise Mafatih al jinan ; but on the other hand because unbelievers are not in protection of Allah so therefore they follow other satanic instructions that cause more deepening their problems likewise a fly in spider's web .  

 

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So from now on I should understand that envy is not real? And if something bad happens to me, it’s because of other reasons but not envy I’m I right? 

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5 minutes ago, Diaz said:

So from now on I should understand that envy is not real? And if something bad happens to me, it’s because of other reasons but not envy I’m I right? 

Envy is real. If you envy then it can effect your decisions. If others envy you, then it can effect their decisions to act bad toward you. If you also found out that someone envies you, then it can also effect you in your decisions.

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8 minutes ago, Diaz said:

So from now on I should understand that envy is not real? And if something bad happens to me, it’s because of other reasons but not envy I’m I right?

Salam Envy is real too which most of time is real reason behind Evil eye . 

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3 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Envy is real. If you envy then it can effect your decisions. If others envy you, then it can effect their decisions to act bad toward you. If you also found out that someone envies you, then it can also effect you in your decisions.

 

2 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam Envy is real too which most of time is real reason behind Evil eye . 

Salam brothers, I meant evil eyes not envy. Thanks tho. 

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Ali Dawah - Message To Nouman Ali Khan On Evil Eye - Is "Evil Eye" merely another way of saying "Envy and jealousy" or is it something more? 12 minutes

 

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Salaam everyone,

So Im reading Surah Yusuf out of the Agha Mahdi Pooya Quran with tafseer. 

I came to ayah 12;67 which is in regards to what Prophet Yaqoub(عليه السلام) advised his sons when they were returning to Egypt.

". And said *he: "O' my sons!  Enter ye not by one gate, but enter ye by different gates; and I cannot avail you aught against God; judgment is only God's; On Him do I rely; and on Him (only) let the reliants rely."

So in the margins, there are notes about this ayah and they say:

To avoid being envied by the people, they were advised to enter separately by different doors. This indicates that Islam does not discard the effect of the evil eye, and there are authentic traditions from the Holy Prophet indicating that there are some the evil of whose sight affect the other objects. The remedy for it is firm trust in God. There are particular prayers for this -there are authentic records of the actual instances in support of this Rv.

39:38, 14:11

 

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2 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

To avoid being envied by the people

To be honest, i dont know where the idea of the brothers of Yusuf(عليه السلام) being envied comes from...i mean, there were lots of people coming from everywhere to gain sustenance from Egypts food, so a caravan of some people on camels seems to not be an outlier worthy of envy, but what do i know? Clearly the mufaseer have more knowledge than i do 

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Now that you have been through the debate back and forth, the next time you get that job, don't let the neighborhood rishta aunties know. 

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