Has Iran attacked Israel?

[Ibn Tayyar]

36 minutes ago, root said:

Well your mistake is that you probably just read this somewhere at took it as fact. They did use fighter jets to shoot down a couple of drones, but shooting down hundreds of drones, flying at low altitude, at random intervalls is practically impossible for fighter jets. They did eventually shoot down most of the drones with anti air when they reached the airspace, but that was also the intention. One was to create a mess out of the entire defence system, the second was to collect data. USAF also said no one got hurt and Iran did minimal damage at Al Asad, but now we know that half the soldiers got significant brain damage, and the most important parts of the base was in ruins. I wouldn't take what USAF says as facts, as a matter of fact, whatever they say, the opposite is probably true. 

You probably know more than me so I won't argue your point. But here is some footage of aircraft engagements vis-a-vis drones and cruise missiles: 

The US Military hasn't released footage but this is what they claimed: (take it with a grain of salt as you said)

Edited April 15 by Ibn Tayyar

[Azadeh307]

1 hour ago, Ahmad8888 said:

Its impressive this salafi is calling out angry salafis for their nonsense. 

I believe Daniel Haqiqatjou is Iranian American and a former Shia who is now Salafi.

[Haji 2003]

The UN debate

I've seen similar elsewhere - people just don't understand how western leaders can criticise Iran, while being silent about Israel's initial attack on the Iranian diplomatic building.

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Iran's strike further advances this international ostracization [of Israel]. It makes anyone with basic common sense tell themselves "ok, that was actually... a very reasonable response" and makes those acting as if that response was disproportionate or unprovoked sound like liars at best, deranged lunatics at worst.

https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1779681136706544072

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Salam

Israel's situation in the case of broadcasting the internal discussions of the authorities
According to Mashreq, Shahab Esfandiary tweeted:

Ronen Bergman, a journalist associated with the Mossad and the author of the book "Rise and Kill First", in a report on the chaotic situation of the regime after the successful operation of Iran, quoted an informed official as saying: "If the internal discussions of the authorities will be broadcasted on the media, 4 million people will rush Ben-Gurion Airport to get of here."

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https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593665/وضعیت-اسرائیل-در-صورت-پخش-بحث-های-داخلی-مقامات

[Ashvazdanghe]

The Washington Post map of Iran's targets in Israel + photo
According to Mashreq, the Telegram channel for the analysis and research of combined wars wrote with a Image release:

The map published by the American newspaper Washington Post of the places targeted by Iran.

The orange dots were the main targets and the black dots were the areas where the explosions took place.

However, in the Golan Heights and in the Jabal al-Sheikh area, where one of the most important observation, eavesdropping, espionage and forest bases of the Zionist enemy is located, it was targeted by several cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and drones and was completely destroyed.

These centers never run out of personnel and experts because they act as a part of the enemy's offensive and defensive network.

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https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593525/نقشه-واشنگتن-پست-از-اهداف-ایران-در-اسرائیل-عکس

[Ashvazdanghe]

Video/ Which parts of Israel has Iran attacked?
You can see a video of a detailed examination of the points of Iran's attack on Israel on the map in the «میدان»"Meidan" in program on the Asr network شبکه عصر.

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https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593383/فیلم-ایران-کدام-نقاط-اسرائیل-را-مورد-حمله-قرار-داده-است

Video/ a summary of what happened in Iran's attack on Israel

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593442/فیلم-خلاصه-ای-از-آن-چه-در-حملۀ-ایران-به-اسرائیل-گذشت

Movie/ If you hit, we will hit!
You are watching a video of the reaction of the people of Tehran to Iran's slap on the Zionist regime.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593628/فیلم-اگر-بزنید-می-زنیم

Movie/How much did you sleep last night?
how much did you sleep last night This is the question that the people of Semnan province answer.

According to Mashreq, the people of Semnan Province are talking about IRGC's harsh missile revenge against Israel. People who believe that finally avenge  has been taken from Israel.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593521/فیلم-شما-دیشب-چقدر-خوابیدید

Video/ Rally of Ahvaz people in support of the "Wa'adeh Sadegh" operation
The people of Ahvaz gathered in support of the IRGC's missile and drone attack on Israel.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593656/فیلم-تجمع-مردم-اهواز-در-حمایت-از-عملیات-وعده-صادق

The reaction of the Shirazi citizen  to the firing of rockets from this city towards Israel
According to Mashreq, Seyed Ali Moosavi, a media activist, published a video of Shirazi citizen's reaction to the rocket fire from this city towards Israel:

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https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593519/واکنش-شهروند-شیرازی-به-شلیک-موشک-از-این-شهر-به-سمت-اسرائیل

Edited April 15 by Ashvazdanghe

[Ashvazdanghe]

Photo/ "Wad al-Sadegh" wall painting in Valiasr Square (AJ)
At dawn today, due to the strong slap of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps on the  Zionist regime, the newest mural of Valiasr Square (عليه السلام) was unveiled.

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https://www.mashreghnews.ir/photo/1593651/عکس-وعد-الصادق-دیوارنگاره-میدان-ولیعصر-عج

Photo/ Implementation of "Wadeh Sadeq" operation tower in Azadi Tower
Following the operation "Wadeh Sadiq" by the armed forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran, images of the Iranian nation's missile and drone power were displayed on the Azadi Tower in the form of a render on tower.

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https://www.mashreghnews.ir/photo/1593611/عکس-اجرای-برج-نگاره-عملیات-وعده-صادق-در-برج-آزادی

Edited April 15 by Ashvazdanghe

[Ashvazdanghe]

Photo/ The gathering and celebration of Pakistani people in support of Iran's action
The people of Pakistan held a rally in Karachi and expressed their happiness and support for Iran's action against the Zionist regime.

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https://www.mashreghnews.ir/photo/1593644/عکس-تجمع-و-جشن-مردم-پاکستان-در-حمایت-از-اقدام-ایران

[Ashvazdanghe]

Special images of Iran's attack against targets in the occupied territories
You are viewing images of Iran's drone-missile attack in the "Honest Promise" operation against targets in the occupied territories.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593737/تصاویر-ویژه-از-حمله-ایران-علیه-اهدافی-در-سرزمین-های-اشغالی

Video/ Expressing the feelings of the people of Jenin during Iran's attack on Israel
It was like Eid for us, just like it was Eid al-Fitr a few days ago. When we saw the rockets coming from Iran, we were happy. It was Eid for us. Allah willing, it will be completed and Palestine will be freed.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593696/فیلم-ابراز-احساسات-اهالی-جنین-موقع-حمله-ایران-به-اسرائیل

Video/ Rally of people of Mazandaran in support of IRGC's punitive operation

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1593652/فیلم-تجمع-مردم-مازندران-در-حمایت-از-عملیات-تنبیهی-سپاه

[Ashvazdanghe]

 

[Haji 2003]

Answer to the challenge that the Israeli attack on the Iranian consulate was legitimate

 

 

[Ahmad8888]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

Answer to the challenge that the Israeli attack on the Iranian consulate was legitimate

 

 

Israelis always use mental gymnastics to justify their atrocities and change the goal post.

"We attacked this child because he came into contact with this hamas member in 2007 at 12pm 25th of october" 

[kadhim]

18 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Palestinians, Egyptian Govt, various diplomats, UN, have been trying to get a negotiated political settlement between Israel and Palestine since 1948. Almost 80 years of talking and the situation for Palestinians is getting worse year after year. 

Recently most people have realized the only way for Palestinians to get their rights is thru armed resistance. All the other options have been tried and failed, most recently the Oslo accords. This is because Israel is not a sincere negotiation partner and does not want a settlement with Palestinians or peace. All they want to do is continue to steal land and resources. That is obvious by now to the vast majority of people. 

The exception to that would be the US Congress / President, German Govt, Israeli Govt, pundits on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, CBS, ABC,BBC and some members of the EU govt and the Ziobots trolling SC and other websites, and some heads of big tech companies. Everyone else has realized it by now because it's so darn obvious. 

 

Since 1948? No they haven’t. 

What support was there among the Arabs for even the idea of a Palestinian state separate from other Arab states prior to ~ the mid 1960s? (PLO formed in 1964). The only ones interested in a Palestinian state in 1948 were the Westerners. The Arabs were all against it in 1948. They all launched a war to prevent it. They only got interested in the 1960s and 1970s because it became increasingly obvious they were not going to wipe out Israel so they needed a plan B to solve their ongoing refugee problem. 

And then among the Palestinians themselves and the political organizations they formed for themselves in the 1960s and onward, which among them was ready, prior to the late 1980s, to entertain any result short of “wipe out the Jews and we get everything?” The PLO as far as I can see didn’t talk publicly about recognizing Israel as a state until 1988 and didn’t do so officially until Oslo in 1993.

Who was at the table in any serious way on the Palestinian side during those 45 years from 1948-1993? 

Like, by all means, have your partisan leanings. The other guys have certainly made their mistakes as well and have had their own belligerent actors over the years. But you can’t just fabricate alternate reality out of thin air.

If there had been any Arab interest in a Palestinian state in 1948, they could have had a much better deal than has ever been offered since and likely ever will be offered at this point. 

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The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. 

So close to insight. Yet so far away. 

[Abu Hadi]

52 minutes ago, kadhim said:

Since 1948? No they haven’t. 

What support was there among the Arabs for even the idea of a Palestinian state separate from other Arab states prior to ~ the mid 1960s? (PLO formed in 1964). The only ones interested in a Palestinian state in 1948 were the Westerners. The Arabs were all against it in 1948. They all launched a war to prevent it. They only got interested in the 1960s and 1970s because it became increasingly obvious they were not going to wipe out Israel so they needed a plan B to solve their ongoing refugee problem. 

And then among the Palestinians themselves and the political organizations they formed for themselves in the 1960s and onward, which among them was ready, prior to the late 1980s, to entertain any result short of “wipe out the Jews and we get everything?” The PLO as far as I can see didn’t talk publicly about recognizing Israel as a state until 1988 and didn’t do so officially until Oslo in 1993.

Who was at the table in any serious way on the Palestinian side during those 45 years from 1948-1993? 

Like, by all means, have your partisan leanings. The other guys have certainly made their mistakes as well and have had their own belligerent actors over the years. But you can’t just fabricate alternate reality out of thin air.

If there had been any Arab interest in a Palestinian state in 1948, they could have had a much better deal than has ever been offered since and likely ever will be offered at this point. 

So close to insight. Yet so far away. 

Um....

You know there was a State called Palestine in 1948, right ?

It was more than an idea. It was an actual State. Your idea that 'noone thought of a Palestinian state till the 60s' is something you pulled out of thin air. 

Didn't read the rest of your post. Don't have the time or the patience today

[kadhim]

2 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

Um....

You know there was a State called Palestine in 1948, right ?

It was more than an idea. It was an actual State. Your idea that 'noone thought of a Palestinian state till the 60s' is something you pulled out of thin air. 

Didn't read the rest of your post. Don't have the time or the patience today

You want to try that again, answering with some honesty and touching on the actual question asked?

There was a British-managed region called Mandatory Palestine up to 1948. And there was a Western/UN proposal for a Palestinian state in 1948. 

But I didn’t ask you what the Westerners supported. I asked what serious support there was among the Arabs for the idea of a distinct Palestinian state prior to the 1960s. And what support there was among the Palestinians for a peaceful resolution that recognized Israel’s existence, prior to the late 1980s.

[Haji 2003]

Someone tell Macron you can only do this once

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French President Emmanuel Macron said the international community should do “everything we can to avoid flare-ups” and “try to convince Israel that we shouldn’t respond by escalating, but rather by isolating Iran”.

https://www.ft.com/content/38a1f8d2-404b-46ed-8285-39bcaca5bcb0

[Muhammed Ali]

{Shakir 8:7} And when Allah promised you one of the two parties that it shall be yours and you loved that the one not armed should be yours and Allah desired to manifest the truth of what was true by His words and to cut off the root of the unbelievers.

The Muslims wanted to avoid the battle of Badr, but it was imposed on them and they were victorious. Sometimes in life Allah imposes upon us that which we fear because we are unaware of what can be accomplished. 

[Hameedeh]

On 4/14/2024 at 10:46 AM, root said:

Yes the drones were meant to deplete the Arrow/Davids sling. 50000 dollar drones got shot down by upwards of million dollar missiles. 

That answered the question that I had, Alhamdulillah.

[Irfani313]

https://www.rt.com/news/596007-saudi-arabia-iran-drone-israel/

https://asiatimes.com/2024/04/preliminary-takeaways-of-irans-assault-on-israel/

Expected from the saudeees

Edited April 16 by Irfani313

[Irfani313]

8 minutes ago, Hameedeh said:

That answered the question that I had, Alhamdulillah.

https://www.rt.com/news/595946-israel-high-cost-to-defend-against-iranian-attack/
 

 

[Ahmad8888]

11 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

Um....

You know there was a State called Palestine in 1948, right ?

It was more than an idea. It was an actual State. Your idea that 'noone thought of a Palestinian state till the 60s' is something you pulled out of thin air. 

Didn't read the rest of your post. Don't have the time or the patience today

It's actually not something he pulled out of thin air, it's actually a zionist talking point I've seen before and a ridicilous one at that, it's full of assumptions. 

Edited April 16 by Ahmad8888

[kadhim]

27 minutes ago, Ahmad8888 said:

It's actually not something he pulled out of thin air, it's actually a zionist talking point I've seen before and a ridicilous one at that, it's full of assumptions. 

Translation: “I have no answer to the actual post, so I’m going to respond to something else entirely and pat myself on the back for that.” 

Typical. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

14 hours ago, kadhim said:

There was a British-managed region called Mandatory Palestine up to 1948. And there was a Western/UN proposal for a Palestinian state in 1948. 

Salam Britain has been an occupier likewise rogue state of Israel which Britain has separated state of Palestine from Ottoman colony by armed force  from Ottoman colony which handed state of Palestine in golden plate to rogue state of Israel without consent of people of state of Palestine which in opposition to your nonsense rogue state of Israel must prove it's legitimacy because both of Britain & it have censored & suppressed existence of independent state of Palestine which it has existed before forming Ottoman colony so then became a part of Ottoman colony so therefor independent state f Palestine never needed to prove it's existence in opposition of fake rogue state of Israel . 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 4/14/2024 at 7:36 PM, Azadeh307 said:

I believe Daniel Haqiqatjou is Iranian American and a former Shia who is now Salafi.

Salam he has Iranian origin due to his parents but both of his parents & him have not any Shia inclination which he has called himself ex-non practicing muslim which means before converting to Salafism only has been a muslim due to birth certification without knowing anything about Shia Islam principles which even now he is not aware of Shia principles . 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Salam

relatef thread

 

[Haji 2003]

On 4/14/2024 at 11:51 PM, Haji 2003 said:

Sunnis trying to process what's going on

At one end of the spectrum you have people claiming that there's an alliance between Iran, Israel and the U.S. to subjugate Arabs (those people need psychiatric help).

At the other end you have this:

 

[Abu Nur]

50 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

I don't understand this guy, what "oppression against the Sunnis"?

[kadhim]

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Britain has been an occupier likewise rogue state of Israel which Britain has separated state of Palestine from Ottoman colony by armed force  from Ottoman colony

Britain legally acquired this province by defeating the previous legal owners, the Ottomans. Exactly the same way the Ottoman Turks won the province from the Arab colonizers who came before. The same way these Arab colonizers won it from the Roman and Greek colonizers who came before that. All along, it was an imperial province. The last time previously this land was an independent state as opposed to an imperial province was … the Hasmonean dynasty in the 1st century BCE. 

As the conquerors and overseers of the land, the British had the legal right to do with it as they saw fit, just like the Turkish and Arab and Roman and Greek conquerors before that. They used that power to help designate an independent Jewish state and an independent Arab state out of the province…

6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

rogue state of Israel must prove it's legitimacy

Much like the European powers designated a bunch of other new independent Arab states — Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, and so on — out of other former provinces of the Ottoman lands. By reason, they are either all legitimate or all illegitimate.

But, in contrast to misstatements from the like of Abu Hadi, these other new Arab states initially showed ZERO political interest in an independent Palestinian state … until the mid 1960s. Similarly, the Palestinians themselves initially showed ZERO interest in negotiating a (realistic, on something less than the entire land) independent Palestinian state … until the late 1980s. 

So in contrast to the fictional fantasy story told by Abu Hadi, that the Arabs and Palestinians tried diligently since 1948 to peacefully negotiate and only later turned to violence in desperate frustration, violence was the primary tactic and only tactic for 15 years on the broader Arab level and for 40-45 years on the Palestinian side. It was only the last 30-35 years that Palestinian organizations grudgingly turned to trying — at least on the level of political rhetoric — to negotiate a Palestinian state on realistic bases alongside Israel. Although of course the violent tactics were never dropped really at any point along the way.

So the only real constant thread running throughout 75 years has been violent “resistance.”

Stubbornly trying the same thing, and stubbornly expecting different results. 

[Abu Hadi]

11 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

That answered the question that I had, Alhamdulillah.

If u ar interested in more details regarding the 'nuts and bolts' of the military confrontation that occured this is the best information I have found so far. 

Summary....bad bad news for the Zionists

 

[Diaz]

2 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

I don't understand this guy, what "oppression against the Sunnis"?

Salam brother, majority of anti Iran or anti shia believe Iran are abusing and murdering Shias even tho it’s not true at all. This is all propaganda made by Saudi Arabia and their allies before they have stable relations. 
 

By the way the same people believe Iraqis are killing Sunnis even tho that’s not happening at all. 

[root]

What i don't understand is why people on this forum still bother to answer some of the obvious trolls and individuals who argue just for the sake of arguing? By now you have to realise that no matter how many times you beat a dead horse, it won't actually wake up. Not mentioning names, but the shia uncle toms and court jesters are well known on this forum. 

[Diaz]

11 minutes ago, root said:

What i don't understand is why people on this forum still bother to answer some of the obvious trolls and individuals who argue just for the sake of arguing? By now you have to realise that no matter how many times you beat a dead horse, it won't actually wake up. Not mentioning names, but the shia uncle toms and court jesters are well known on this forum. 

I said that 1000x times yet no one is stopping. 

[Irfani313]

The tectonic shift in the West Asia region that has been put forth by the Axis of Resistance is the establishment of the new rules of the game. 

Rule 1: Any new polish colony aggression would be met with an equal and immediate response from the IRI borders. 

IRI managers are calling it the progression from “Strategic Patience” to “Strategic Deterrence.”
 

Rule 2: Undoing the zion exceptionalism, meaning thou shall be hit in your home too. 

IRI calls it “the era of hit and run is over.” 

What’s next: Next in line and probably the last in line is the assumed “air superiority” of the colony. Once the F-series planes start falling off the skies over Isfahan and Shiraz, the game would be over. Hence the call for “restrain” from the sugar daddy. 
 

[kadhim]

4 hours ago, root said:

What i don't understand is why people on this forum still bother to answer some of the obvious trolls and individuals who argue just for the sake of arguing? By now you have to realise that no matter how many times you beat a dead horse, it won't actually wake up. Not mentioning names, but the shia uncle toms and court jesters are well known on this forum. 

Look dude. You folks can circle the wagons and conspire all you like to gaslight and stonewall and deflect. It will probably continue to work on those naïve college kids you have brainwashed. For a while anyway. 

But eventually they’re going to notice the inconsistencies, and that you can’t answer basic, reasonable questions about the conflict. And then they’re going to put two and two together and figure out you’ve been lying to them all along. 

Cheers. 

[hawdini]

8 hours ago, kadhim said:

Britain legally acquired this province by defeating the previous legal owners

Since when is colonizing legal? Can you show me in a book of Law? Is that perhaps your colonizer gene speaking. Do you perhaps have colonizer ancestors??

8 hours ago, kadhim said:

designate an independent Jewish state

They literally had foreign jewish people move there and take over you mean?

8 hours ago, kadhim said:

Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan,

They just drew lines to make these countries, never had randos moving there

8 hours ago, kadhim said:

ew Arab states initially showed ZERO political interest in an independent Palestinian state

Who cares about what dusty arabs think, what is your point exactly???

8 hours ago, kadhim said:

“resistance.”

Stubbornly trying the same thing, and stubbornly expecting different results. 

Isnt it easy for you to judge their resistance sitting comfortably in you home with nobody bothering you.

Ill ask all the burglars to come for your house since youre so anti resistance