Has Iran attacked Israel?

[GEU_40]

1 hour ago, Abu Hadi said:

Iran is responding to an attack on their Embassy, which is the same under International law as an attack on Iran itself because it is sovereign territory.There is no country on earth that would not respond to an attack on their Embassy

This is 100% reasonable and Iran is justified in it's response, just like any other country would be in this situation.

1 hour ago, Abu Hadi said:

Hamas, who are defending their country from an invading army and not criticizing Zionist who have killed more than 10,000 children since Oct 7 and counting. 

However, anyone who is non-partisan will agree that Hamas are definitely not above criticism to put it mildly.

[islamicmusic]

Alhamdolellah. I saw the videos where they hit the millitary bases. We know they are millitary bases because second before they were hit, they activate the defense system there but they are few, so they only took a few of the drones but the rest of the drones hit the millitary bases and destroy them.

The zionist claims that there were no casualties are just lies to save their faces. And they also provide excuses for some wahhabis who claim the Israel-Iranian attacks are just a collusion. In any case, many sane sunnis and shias (muslim folks) who are not infected with the ilness of envy, admit that "we can do nothing against Israel (because of the treason of our governments), but at least we can applaud, support and pray for the resistance axis (Iran, Hizbullah, Yemen) that they do something about it.

Time, racism, sectarianism, media propagandas etc. are changing people really. Most shias see the truth about first few centuries of the Islamic History, but many fail to see the truth of this age. And not many sunnis see the truth about first few centuries however, many sunnis see the truth today.

I mean I witnessed sunnis attending Quds Day rallies in Turkey, protesting against the Turkey-Israeli alliance. They were handcuffed and arrested including the daughters of a Mavi Marmara martyr. So, many sunnis applaud Iran, Yemen etc here. Yet we saw last week in Turkey that a big figure amongts shias in Turkey, Selahattin Özgündüz supporting Erdoğan and his stance with the continuation of import-export to Israel. His defence was that "if we don't sell steel, fuel to Israel, somebpdy else would."

 

[EiE]

1 hour ago, 123xo said:

Darling we don't live in Lala land this is reality, it's run by politics. Normal people like you and me and others on this forum we don't want wars or bloodshed but who cares about our wants? Would it change anything? would our voices be heard by the big guys? No? So since it wont change anything we have nothing else to do other than support the side that is more on the right path, in this case it's Iran.

 

I appreciate seeing other women in this Islamic forum whose profile pictures do not show them with excessive makeup or without a hijab? Additionally, I am glad that they do not address random males on the forum with endearing terms like "darling".

 

1 hour ago, Abu Hadi said:

Of course u criticize Hamas, who are defending their country from an invading army and not criticizing Zionist who have killed more than 10,000 children since Oct 7 and counting.

 

 

 

How many children would have died since OCT 7 - til today, if Hamas didn't "attack"? a lot less, right? can we at least agree on that?

At times, I find myself questioning whose side Hamas is truly aligned with.

[Haji 2003]

In the Financial Times ...

but not a comment you'll see elsewhere in Western MSM - this attack was intended to de-escalate the situation.
 

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Sanam Vakil, Middle East director at Chatham House, said Iran had gambled, but believed if it had not launched the attack Israel would have continued to try to degrade Iran’s forces and those of its proxies, particularly Hizbollah. “Without trying to reassert red lies and trying to reclaim some of the deterrent capability, there was no end in sight to the drip, drip of Israel’s degradation campaign,” Vakil said.

https://www.ft.com/content/3ca1dc6c-310d-483e-a589-9d6fa02cdb60

[123xo]

3 minutes ago, EiE said:

 

I appreciate seeing other women in this Islamic forum whose profile pictures do not show them with excessive makeup or without a hijab? Additionally, I am glad that they do not address random males on the forum with endearing terms like "darling".

Super cute comment, but i'm afraid that i could careless about what you appreciate and what not lol, i am wearing a hijab thank you. And me calling you darling is just me being sarcastic and addressing you like i'd address a little wimpy kid lol you wish i'd actually call you darling for real. 

Xo darrrrrling

[Abu Nur]

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How many children would have died since OCT 7 - til today, if Hamas didn't "attack"? a lot less, right? can we at least agree on that?

I love this reasoning, Israel favorite one too, blame Hamas who cause all those children death.

Edited April 14, 2024 by Abu Nur

[Haji 2003]

Possible escalation?

 

23 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

this attack was intended to de-escalate the situation.

 

on the other hand:

 

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But Israel is not like any other country, and de-escalation is not something it can do. And its security establishments cannot be seen as cowered into dialogue and strategic reconsideration (which is what Iran really tried to do last night). So I predict an escalation, and I predict it soon. My guess is Israel will retaliate by hitting Iranian infrastructure, to show it is even more unafraid than Iran. More, wider destruction is on the way.  

https://x.com/alon_mizrahi/status/1779413316718203018?s=46&t=cSBAFSCGH9dVrM-ogKDT2Q

 

But

 

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One concrete point to finish with: now Israel will have to give its plans for a Rafah holocaust a second look. By launching its cautionary strike last night, Iran may have saved the lives of countless Gazans. If this proves to be the case, Iran will have proven itself to be the sole protector of Muslims in the Middle East.

 

[Haji 2003]

 

 

[Muhammed Ali]

9 hours ago, Irfani313 said:

Some news sites are estimating the cost of Zio air defense attempts tonight to be around a $ One B. Reportedly the first salvos of IRI drones that were intercepted over Jordan and Syria were without the warheads. The subsequent swarms had smaller warheads and were followed by cruise missiles that caused destruction in Golan and Nejev military bases of the Zios. With these 100 or so empty drones and following warhead fitted fast projectiles, IRI watchers thoroughly learned the air defense capabilities of the Zioland. 

They are focusing on how many drones were intercepted instead of how many missiles reached their target. The whole point of sending in the cheap drones is to exhaust the defenses so that the missiles have a clearer path. 

 

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For Russia, the cost of launching Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones at Ukraine was considered to be a bargain. Even at $50,000 or more a piece, they are far less expensive than many of the air defense munitions used to counter them. A single AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) fired by one of Ukraine’s National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS) that have shot down plenty of Shaheds costs roughly between $500,000 to $1 million, depending on the variant. A Patriot interceptor costs a multiple of that.

https://www.twz.com/news-features/what-does-a-shahed-136-really-cost

[EiE]

55 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

I love this reasoning, Israel favorite one too, blame Hamas who cause all those children death.

You're correct, my reasoning was not sound, and that was not my intention. I simply wanted to ask a simple question: if Hamas had not taken the actions they did from October 7 until now, how many children would be killed?

Were there not alternative methods that could have been pursued? Did Hamas leaders not anticipate the grave consequences of their actions? What was their ultimate goal in instigating conflict? Did they believe that Israel would simply capitulate?

[Abu Nur]

3 minutes ago, EiE said:

You're correct, my reasoning was not sound, and that was not my intention. I simply wanted to ask a simple question: if Hamas had not taken the actions they did from October 7 until now, how many children would be killed?

Were there not alternative methods that could have been pursued? Did Hamas leaders not anticipate the grave consequences of their actions? What was their ultimate goal in instigating conflict? Did they believe that Israel would simply capitulate?

I personally don't accept the choice of Hamas attack, but what is done is done.

[Irfani313]

10 hours ago, Irfani313 said:

Some news sites are estimating the cost of Zio air defense attempts tonight to be around a $ One B. Reportedly the first salvos of IRI drones that were intercepted over Jordan and Syria were without the warheads. The subsequent swarms had smaller warheads and were followed by cruise missiles that caused destruction in Golan and Nejev military bases of the Zios. With these 100 or so empty drones and following warhead fitted fast projectiles, IRI watchers thoroughly learned the air defense capabilities of the Zioland. 
 

In another news, the IRI mission in UN called this episode concluded and their IRI defense agency spokesperson calling the next adventure to be avenged with 2x force.

Zio would likely be retaliating soon given the prestige damage they received but won’t be able to contain the retaliatory IRI wave that would follow. 
 

That puts the next move in Zips. Either they would need to swallow this one down without a peep or would risk desertion in their army of dual citizens sorts after the retaliation of their next stupid move.
 

Strategically this was the biggest loss for Zios, since past two decades of history shows that once a void is created by IRI et. al., they make it a new permanent reality for the Polish colony in West Asia. 

(Part 2) 

Waking up this morning reviewing more news and articles, here’s what I could make out of it.

IRI sacrificed just 3 month worth of their drone produce. Keep in mind for how many years IRI has been producing these drone?? meaning this must be less than 1% of current numbers which would be replenished with more modern ones. 

IRI low orbit satellites captured each and every location of the western overt and covert air defenses in the path between Khorramshehr to Zio Mediterranean coast. 

IRI tested the capability and also the capacity threshold of in between regimes specially of the midgety king of Jordan.

Among the empty warhead drones, apparently there were some queen bees, the ones equipped with cameras and sensors, mapping the western air defenses and hidden bases along the path. This turned out to be the most profound military surveillance project done on western defenses. 
 

Had IRI wanted to make the honeycomb of 50% of the Zio-stolen land, it would have flown those 200+ drones with lethal warheads from Syria and Iraq border, which they didn’t, meaning this was purely a enemy defenses mapping exercise. 
 

Projectiles apparently were loaded, but weren’t for the civilian damage. They did the serious damage to the Zio military sites which may or may not come out in MSM. 
 

About those sick sadistic screams on TikTok videos of Zios making movies from their apartment complexes; don’t mean anything. IRI wasn’t after the civilian damage this time.

Hence came the us president phone call to bibi, begging not to escalate because escalation means honeycomb. 
 

Reminds me of a Vietnam era tactic I read somewhere. Vietcongs used to trigger huge cattle stampedes in the path of war zones, mounting machine guns on some of the cattle. As the herds of cattle ran through the defenses of the enemy, the sounds of the animals and the random rattling of the few guns used to trigger everybody and their side kick start shooting at the cattle herd. Meanwhile a few miles up on the elevation, Vietnamese officers with telescoping each and every ditch and shrub where the shooting was coming from. An hour or so later all of those ditches and shrubs used to be roasted with mortar fire. 
 

It appears to me that IRI sent the same herd, telescoped the air defenses, and is just waiting for Zio to give them a reason. 
 

[hawdini]

41 minutes ago, EiE said:

if Hamas had not taken the actions they did from October 7 until now, how many children would be killed?

Dont be naïve please. Israel literally let that attack happen, its part of their war tactics. Israel is like shaitan on steroids, they have no conscience and will do anything to achieve their goal of getting all the land where Palestinians live on. If it wasn't 7 october they would have found another way to annihilate the Gazans. You literally think these type of people play fair. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) throw an atomic bomb on their head and exterminate them from the root.

[Quran313]

It seems drones were just tools to make defensive systems busy, then missiles attacked the targets. Here is a video footage of the missile strikes:

 

 

[Quran313]

Lots of Iraqi, Irani, Palestinian happy. A video of Iran outside British embassy in Tehran:

 

 

[Quran313]

11 minutes ago, hawdini said:

Dont be naïve please. Israel literally let that attack happen, its part of their war tactics. Israel is like shaitan on steroids, they have no conscience and will do anything to achieve their goal of getting all the land where Palestinians live on. If it wasn't 7 october they would have found another way to annihilate the Gazans. You literally think these type of people play fair. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) throw an atomic bomb on their head and exterminate them from the root.

Don't take the comments he made serious. Those comments are like youtube advertisements.

[root]

On 4/14/2024 at 7:45 AM, EiE said:

I appreciate seeing other women in this Islamic forum whose profile pictures do not show them with excessive makeup or without a hijab? Additionally, I am glad that they do not address random males on the forum with endearing terms like "darling".

What kind of judgement is this? For all you know God loves her more than both me and you, and if she does have a fault in hijab or makeup then it is an external fault, whilst you and me might have far more severe internal faults. And finally, what the flippin heck does that have to do with this thread? Instead of being a wiseguy, why don't you challenge her views instead? 

[root]

1 hour ago, Quran313 said:

It seems drones were just tools to make defensive systems busy, then missiles attacked the targets. Here is a video footage of the missile strikes:

 

 

Yes the drones were meant to deplete the Arrow/Davids sling. 50000 dollar drones got shot down by upwards of million dollar missiles. It's actually an old Soviet tactic to shoot cheap warheadless missiles to then engage in the real attack. The arrow system is actually a very good system, probably on par with S-400, the problem is that, to this day, no anti-air system can deal with swarms and get overwhelmed quickly. They say it intercepted 99%, but we all know that is a lie, and a really bad one too. Hard to lie that much when there are videos, and just like the Al-Asad base, i'm sure more videos will come out. 

[123xo]

5 minutes ago, root said:

What kind of judgement is this? For all you know God loves her more than both me and you, and if she does have a fault in hijab or makeup then it is an external fault, whilst you and me might have far more severe internal faults. And finally, what the flippin heck does that have to do with this thread? Instead of being a wiseguy, why don't you challenge her views instead? 

Thanks Root, i never claimed to be a perfect muslimah, i'm trying my best and allah knows that. I guess he couldn't provide valid points so he chose to make comments on my appearance instead lol

[Ahmad8888]

Same people coping about iran are the same people who said iran was scared to hit anything, let's ignore these armchair generals and actually look at what experts have said on this, instead of drooling on what some random angry salafi said or the coping mechanism america and israel are using. 

Yesterday iran fired 170 drones and 150 missiles. The missiles were their old tech such as their Emad missiles. Most of the drones and missiles were a decoy, hence why they were fired all over the country in order to confuse the israelis, which is what happened and what allowed the iranians to hit their targets successfully such as the airbase and the HQ used to carry out and plan the airstrike on the consulate 2 weeks ago. 

 

Blurry Satellite images of the airbase are surfacing and are showing damage to the runway, military residences, etc... of the base. This is probably to render the base unusable for a few hours to a few days max. 

 

This attack was defenetly a message from iran, to tell israel "even with 5 countries you can't stop us". This also gave iran a lot of insights, the math needed for their attacks on israel for instance, they have datapoints now. 

 

This attack showed which countries would crumble and side with israel, jordan being a treasonous pig of a country decided to join in and cause 3 of its civilians to die with their stupidity. Egypt and saudi arabia showed they were cowards by saying "please stop iran ", but they didn't join in with the interceptions. 

 

Syria showed why israel heavily got involved in the syrian civil war, their interception against the interceptions from france, UK, america, israel and jordan isn't something to ignore and it shows why israel wanted syria gone.

30% of the drones were intercepted by america, meaning israel was in need of help from america and the western world. 

 

Lastly, this attack caused israel to burn through 1.3 billion$ and their 99% figure was complete rubbish, atleast 20 strikes were sighted, this is still most of the missiles and drones as they were decoys, but still.

 

Edit: screw whomever managed to fool so many media outlets to post the attack on ukraine and the fires in chile. 

Edited April 14, 2024 by Ahmad8888

[Quran313]

General Salami said this response was new to us (we had no knowledge of the Zio defensive systems), but we have data of the air defense systems and have better understanding of their coverage. About 10 years ago, General Hajizadeh said that we need more space in our drone/missile arsenal in order to have the newer generation of missiles (IRI stores drones/missile deep under the ground). By putting this two together, IRI wanted to get rid of the older generation of the drones by using them to make defensive systems busy, making it easy for the missiles to hit the targets in a swarm attack, and lastly having more space in their arsenal for newer generation of the missiles. 

Also, it was not just IRI. Yemen and Hizb launched nice attacks into the occupied land as well. تقبل الله اعمالهم

[Abu Hadi]

4 hours ago, EiE said:

You're correct, my reasoning was not sound, and that was not my intention. I simply wanted to ask a simple question: if Hamas had not taken the actions they did from October 7 until now, how many children would be killed?

Were there not alternative methods that could have been pursued? Did Hamas leaders not anticipate the grave consequences of their actions? What was their ultimate goal in instigating conflict? Did they believe that Israel would simply capitulate?

Palestinians, Egyptian Govt, various diplomats, UN, have been trying to get a negotiated political settlement between Israel and Palestine since 1948. Almost 80 years of talking and the situation for Palestinians is getting worse year after year. 

Recently most people have realized the only way for Palestinians to get their rights is thru armed resistance. All the other options have been tried and failed, most recently the Oslo accords. This is because Israel is not a sincere negotiation partner and does not want a settlement with Palestinians or peace. All they want to do is continue to steal land and resources. That is obvious by now to the vast majority of people. 

The exception to that would be the US Congress / President, German Govt, Israeli Govt, pundits on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, CBS, ABC,BBC and some members of the EU govt and the Ziobots trolling SC and other websites, and some heads of big tech companies. Everyone else has realized it by now because it's so darn obvious. 

The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. 

Edited April 14, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[islamicmusic]

 

[islamicmusic]

5 hours ago, EiE said:

How many children would have died since OCT 7 - til today, if Hamas didn't "attack"? a lot less, right? can we at least agree on that?

At times, I find myself questioning whose side Hamas is truly aligned with.

People die. We are human beings and we will not be here forever. I mean, last year a simple earthquake took more lives in Turkey than this war has taken.

"....They say (to themselves): "If we had had anything to do with this affair, We should not have been in the slaughter here." Say: "Even if you had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death"; but (all this was) that Allah might test what is in your breasts and purge what is in your hearts. For Allah knoweth well the secrets of your hearts."

The question is how we prefer to die. With dignity following the footsteps of Imam Hussain or not.

Edited April 14, 2024 by islamicmusic

[Ahmad8888]

35 minutes ago, Quran313 said:

General Salami said this response was new to us (we had no knowledge of the Zio defensive systems), but we have data of the air defense systems and have better understanding of their coverage. About 10 years ago, General Hajizadeh said that we need more space in our drone/missile arsenal in order to have the newer generation of missiles (IRI stores drones/missile deep under the ground). By putting this two together, IRI wanted to get rid of the older generation of the drones by using them to make defensive systems busy, making it easy for the missiles to hit the targets in a swarm attack, and lastly having more space in their arsenal for newer generation of the missiles. 

Also, it was not just IRI. Yemen and Hizb launched nice attacks into the occupied land as well. تقبل الله اعمالهم

Yes but they kept their attacks to a minimum to keep this "purely iranian", which I understand it's to see how 5 countries fare against iran. 

[Haji 2003]

1 hour ago, Abu Hadi said:

Recently most people have realized the only way for Palestinians to get their rights is thru armed resistance.

This was especially so following the Abraham Accords with some Arab states.

Until now the deal had been that Israel gets a deal with the Palestinians and normalisation with the Arab world would be the prize. This was also the position of the present Saudi king.

Thanks to American pressure (both Trump and Biden at fault) the Israelis had been able to secure the prize of normalisation with some Arab states (not Saudi) without making any concessions to the Palestinians. And Biden was working hard to make the Saudis agree as well and a deal was inching closer.

This meant that the Palestinians were literally in the last chance saloon. If they did nothing there would have been no incentive for the Israelis to make any concessions to them at all. Settlers would have continued to steal land in the West Bank and the Israelis would have made sure that Gaza only received as much in the way of supplies as to keep people alive and no more.

The cost in Palestinian lives has been horrific - the alternative was not peace, it was a slow strangulation by the Israelis without any media coverage.

[Silas]

Another interesting angle to all of this is:

Netanyahu and Biden hate each other. There are a number of reasons for this:

1. Biden's objections to Trump moving the US embassy to Jerusalem (and then reversing this decision when he becomes president)

2. Biden's indulgence of elements within the Democratic Party who side with the Palestinians

3. Biden's refusal to get involved with "antisemitic incidents" on university campuses in the US. 

4. Biden's criticism of Israel's response to Oct 7th, and the continuing atrocities the IDF are committing 

What does this mean for the situation between Israel and Iran?

Netanyahu will not listen to Biden, and an escalation will mean regional conflict. That conflict could result in the Strait of Hormuz being shut down. A huge increase in oil prices  (to $200+), which will impact the US economy. An already sticky inflation problem will become a crisis.

And the American public does not want conflict with Iran. 

This will be deeply damaging to Biden politically, leading to his defeat in the November elections

so Netanyahu gets rid of Biden, and will then work with Trump, who he believes will be decidedly more pro-Israel

 

[EiE]

 

5 hours ago, hawdini said:

Dont be naïve please. Israel literally let that attack happen, its part of their war tactics. Israel is like shaitan on steroids, they have no conscience and will do anything to achieve their goal of getting all the land where Palestinians live on.

 

Yes, and Hamas entered their shaitan doors which allowed the Israeli to freely kill and used war tactics on civilians on a larger scale.  It is worth reflecting on one's naivety when failing to recognize the substantial loss of civilian lives that could have been prevented if Hamas had refrained from instigating "attacks".

 

5 hours ago, hawdini said:

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) throw an atomic bomb on their head and exterminate them from the root.

 

Maybe it would be beneficial to articulate oneself more clearly. Death of 10,000 innocent Palestinian children does not justify the loss of 10,000 innocent Israeli lives.

[EiE]

On 4/14/2024 at 1:15 PM, Abu Hadi said:

Palestinians, Egyptian Govt, various diplomats, UN, have been trying to get a negotiated political settlement between Israel and Palestine since 1948. Almost 80 years of talking and the situation for Palestinians is getting worse year after year. 

Recently most people have realized the only way for Palestinians to get their rights is thru armed resistance. All the other options have been tried and failed, most recently the Oslo accords. This is because Israel is not a sincere negotiation partner and does not want a settlement with Palestinians or peace. All they want to do is continue to steal land and resources. That is obvious by now to the vast majority of people. 

Brother, you speak the truth that everyone knows but few have the courage to acknowledge.

And if armed resistance was necessary, it certainly should not involve tactics like paragliders kidnapping 200 innocent people, as seen with Hamas.

That situation only worsened for the Palestinians, as evidenced by the countless families forced to leave their homes, and countless deaths.

If Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran truly sought the betterment of the Palestinian people, surely they could find more constructive ways to achieve their goals than resorting to tactics like sending paragliders.

With the recent attacks from Iran, I am skeptical about how this will benefit the Palestinians, but time will tell...

[Ahmad8888]

Incoming mental gymnastics in 1,2,3: 

 

Edit: yes I know israel could be filling the holes, but given their history of lying, the simplest explanation is theyre going through all this effort to do this. 

Edited April 14, 2024 by Ahmad8888

[Haji 2003]

Sunnis trying to process what's going on

At one end of the spectrum you have people claiming that there's an alliance between Iran, Israel and the U.S. to subjugate Arabs (those people need psychiatric help).

At the other end you have this:

[Ahmad8888]

1 minute ago, Haji 2003 said:

Sunnis trying to process what's going on

At one end of the spectrum you have people claiming that there's an alliance between Iran, Israel and the U.S. (those people need psychiatric help) at the other end you have this:

Its impressive this salafi is calling out angry salafis for their nonsense. 

[Ibn Tayyar]

7 hours ago, root said:

Yes the drones were meant to deplete the Arrow/Davids sling. 50000 dollar drones got shot down by upwards of million dollar missiles. It's actually an old Soviet tactic to shoot cheap warheadless missiles to then engage in the real attack. The arrow system is actually a very good system, probably on par with S-400, the problem is that, to this day, no anti-air system can deal with swarms and get overwhelmed quickly. They say it intercepted 99%, but we all know that is a lie, and a really bad one too. Hard to lie that much when there are videos, and just like the Al-Asad base, i'm sure more videos will come out. 

The way Israel and its allies countered the drone swarm threat was by using fighter jets to knock them out, reserving actual anti-missile defenses to engage with incoming missile threats. We now have videos of Israeli F15s/35s destroying Iranian drones and cruise missiles.

Arrow 2/3 are designed mainly for medium and intermediate range ballistic missile threats, and they are very capable systems at that. David's Sling and Patriot systems are mostly used in Israel to defend against short range ballistic missiles threats, cruise missiles and certain drone threats. Iron Dome is designed to deal with rockets but has some anti cruise missile and anti drone capability. Israel also has other capable naval air defense systems that they probably employed against Yemeni and perhaps Iraqi threats.

The way we will know the truth of the scale of damage is when high defenition satellite imagery is revealed, but it is clear that Iranian ballistic missiles did hit strategic targets.

What we can conclude is that Iran has the capability of penetrating probably the most dense and layered air defense system in the world, and did that with days in advance of Israel and its allies knowing of a coming attack, with the US and other Western countries and regional Governments like Jordan readying up to assist Israel in identifying and intercepting threats. It is said the USAF was engaging the bulk of the drones before they made it close to Israel.

It is fair to point out that systems Israel deploys are incredibly expensive, especially in comparison to the threats Iran employs. The systems the US Navy employed are even more expensive. So on the assymetric front, Iran is a clear winner.

In a total war scenario, this sort of engagement would probably be much different, as it would be harder to engage with thousands of ballistic missiles, drones, and other aerial threats from Iran and its allies. The capability of the US in saving Israel would also be very limited in such a scenario, but Israel is also capable of retaliatory strikes of its own - but it remains to be seen (hopefully this never happens) whether Israel can actually sustain an aerial campaign against Iran knowing the difficulty of distance and also Iran having capable air defenses of its own. Israel probably concedes that in any total war scenario with Iran, the USAF has to do the bulk of the work, and it is clear Biden is uninterested in a war against Iran, knowing how much damage that would do to both regional US bases and to the regional/global economy as a whole.

Overall, I think Iran established deterrence in terms of making it clear that attacking Iranian commanders is a clear redline, while Israel can claim to its people that it has dealt with the bulk of the threat last night, and therefore call it a day. It depends on how war-hungry Netanyahu is really, as this might be his opportunity to orchestrate a plan to drag the US into a war on his behalf. 

This is my personal and humble asssessment of what transpired, and I'm no expert on geopolitics or military matters, so I seek forgiveness for any mistakes.

Edited April 14, 2024 by Ibn Tayyar

[root]

18 minutes ago, Ibn Tayyar said:

The way Israel and its allies countered the drone swarm threat was by using fighter jets to knock them out, reserving actual anti-missile defenses to engage with incoming missile threats. We now have videos of Israeli F15s/35s destroying Iranian drones and cruise missiles.

Arrow 2/3 are designed mainly for medium and intermediate range ballistic missile threats, and they are very capable systems at that. David's Sling and Patriot systems are mostly used in Israel to defend against short range ballistic missiles threats, cruise missiles and certain drone threats. Iron Dome is designed to deal with rockets but has some anti cruise missile and anti drone capability. Israel also has other capable naval air defense systems that they probably employed against Yemeni and perhaps Iraqi threats.

The way we will know the truth of the scale of damage is when high defenition satellite imagery is revealed, but it is clear that Iranian ballistic missiles did hit strategic targets.

What we can conclude is that Iran has the capability of penetrating probably the most dense and layered air defense system in the world, and did that with days in advance of Israel and its allies knowing of a coming attack, with the US and other Western countries and regional Governments like Jordan readying up to assist Israel in identifying and intercepting threats. It is said the USAF was engaging the bulk of the drones before they made it close to Israel.

It is fair to point out that systems Israel deploys are incredibly expensive, especially in comparison to the threats Iran employs. The systems the US Navy employed are even more expensive. So on the assymetric front, Iran is a clear winner.

In a total war scenario, this sort of engagement would probably be much different, as it would be harder to engage with thousands of ballistic missiles, drones, and other aerial threats from Iran and its allies. The capability of the US in saving Israel would also be very limited in such a scenario, but Israel is also capable of retaliatory strikes of its own - but it remains to be seen (hopefully this never happens) whether Israel can actually sustain an aerial campaign against Iran knowing the difficulty of distance and also Iran having capable air defenses of its own. Israel probably concedes that in any total war scenario with Iran, the USAF has to do the bulk of the work, and it is clear Biden is uninterested in a war against Iran, knowing how much damage that would do to both regional US bases and to the regional/global economy as a whole.

Overall, I think Iran established deterrence in terms of making it clear that attacking Iranian commanders is a clear redline, while Israel can claim to its people that it has dealt with the bulk of the threat last night, and therefore call it a day. It depends on how war-hungry Netanyahu is really, as this might be his opportunity to orchestrate a plan to drag the US into a war on his behalf. 

This is my personal and humble asssessment of what transpired, and I'm no expert on geopolitics or military matters, so I seek forgiveness for any mistakes.

Well your mistake is that you probably just read this somewhere at took it as fact. They did use fighter jets to shoot down a couple of drones, but shooting down hundreds of drones, flying at low altitude, at random intervalls is practically impossible for fighter jets. They did eventually shoot down most of the drones with anti air when they reached the airspace, but that was also the intention. One was to create a mess out of the entire defence system, the second was to collect data. USAF also said no one got hurt and Iran did minimal damage at Al Asad, but now we know that half the soldiers got significant brain damage, and the most important parts of the base was in ruins. I wouldn't take what USAF says as facts, as a matter of fact, whatever they say, the opposite is probably true. 

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