What's The Issue With There Being A God But No Religion?

[BabaAlawi]

Recently, I have been digging more into "deism". A lot of people have different interpretations as to what it is, but basically said, it is a belief that there is a god, but he does not intervine in our daily life.

I think I find this to be better than atheism. I still cannot wrap my head around atheism if I were to be honest.

It just does not make sense that everything in our universe came into existence out of "nothing" even though it was not REALLY "nothing", it does not explain how complex the universe is.

At the same time, some may argue that religion does not make sense in light of modern science or for whatever reason. 

I also have questions, like I always thought, if god is infinitely more intelligent than us, or infinitely more superior, then why would he bother with us? 

It's kind of like me coming up to a worm and trying to save it. It could be said that god chose us because we are intelligent, but in the grand scheme of things, are we really?

I mean we are truly nothing in comparision to god, and what would be the reason that he owes us an explanation? 

What's the reason that we are owed an afterlife? 

Was it just us being afraid to face the realities that govern our world? did we make religions up to cope with the fact that we are all going to die, and somehow we wish that there is an escape?

Well, I guess we will find out when we are dead. But I don't know, maybe I am getting too ahead of myself.

Anyway, it's very improbable that god does exist, I think thats clear.

It could be a "first causer" that kicked everything into motion, it could be a being that created everything but died, it could be a god that is alive and well, but simply does not care about us/

But why religion?

I know some people will say that religion was made to ground us ethically and morally, to distinguish right and wrong, but why would god care about us? As i explained before he is infinitely more intelligent than us. A worm is probably closer to being as smart as we are in comparision to god, and you don't see us caring about them or sending divine revelations.

[notme]

On 3/15/2024 at 6:44 PM, BabaAlawi said:

But why religion?

I know some people will say that religion was made to ground us ethically and morally, to distinguish right and wrong, but why would god care about us? As i explained before he is infinitely more intelligent than us. A worm is probably closer to being as smart as we are in comparision to god, and you don't see us caring about them or sending divine revelations.

Why do you think that a worm, which has no brain at all, is closer to us in intelligence than we are to God in comprehension of The Creation? We were created to be God's representatives on and stewards over the earth.

Religion is not simply a set of rituals, but a means of working toward understanding of The Creator. We can never gain full understanding, but we can and should try.

[Abu Hadi]

On 3/15/2024 at 6:44 PM, BabaAlawi said:

Recently, I have been digging more into "deism". A lot of people have different interpretations as to what it is, but basically said, it is a belief that there is a god, but he does not intervine in our daily life.

I think I find this to be better than atheism. I still cannot wrap my head around atheism if I were to be honest.

It just does not make sense that everything in our universe came into existence out of "nothing" even though it was not REALLY "nothing", it does not explain how complex the universe is.

The reason you can't comprehend what 'nothing' is, is because you have never experienced 'nothing'. Even if you were an astronaut and went into deep space, that is still something. There is the four dimensions (3 dimensional space + time). There is matter in deep space, hydrogen in the form of molecules, charged particles, etc. If you are near a star there is some heat. There is no way, in the way we exist now we can experience 'nothing', so that is probably why you doubt the concept. 

If you look at quantum theory, which states that space and time are actually interwoven and are part of the same phenomenon, then you can get the idea of nothing. According to quantum theory plus the 'big bang' theory which 99.9% of scientists accept based on the evidence for both of these being a reality, at one point we know there was 'nothing'. There was no space, no matter, and thus no time, because time exists and is dependent on space. If there is no time, no space, and no matter, then there is nothing. This is what we call nothing. 

But there was something that is outside of time, space, and matter that created what scientists call the 'singularity' i.e. the smallest point imaginable which contained 'everything' or at least everything we know of, all space, time, matter, and all the fundamental forces which govern the operations of our universe (gravity, electromagnetism, etc). Then in one instant, between 8 and 27 billion years ago, 'everything' happened and then there was space, time, matter, and the fundamental forces all at once. That is what the big bang is, there was nothing, and then there was everything. I say everything because all the 'complexity' that you talk about is governed by the laws that govern space, time, matter, i.e. the fundamental forces and these fundamental forces were created by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and that is how the 'complexity' happens, ie as the result of interactions of matter plus these fundamental forces which are all the creation of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), glorified by He(s.w.a). 

So let's focus on that 'something' that created this singularity. There is only two possibilities here, First, that this singularity was the end result of some other process that occured in an alternate dimension or reality or Second, that this singularity was created by a being or entity that is outside of time, space, matter, etc. The first possibility leads to infinite regress, which is not logical, so the only logical possibility is the second, i.e. that this singularity was created by a being or entity that is outside of time, space, and matter. We call this entity Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and this theory is logical and actually the only logical theory regarding 'nothing' and 'everything'. 

When I say the first possibility leads to 'infinite regress', I am saying that if the singularity was a result of a process in a parallel reality or dimension, then what created that dimension, and that dimension, and that dimension, i.e. to infinity. At some point, there must be a 'Prime Cause' which created 'everything' from 'nothing'. The first possibility which is posed by atheists, is only avoiding the question of a prime cause, it does not answer it.

Now the other part of your question, i.e. does God 'owe' us anything and why would he be interested in us, etc, I can answer later when I have time or others can answer, InSha Allah as there are many here, regulars, lol, who can answer that completely. 

I will answer one really quick. God 'dying' is an impossible thing given what I just said above. If the singularity was dependent on God(s.w.a), and everything else that exists is dependent on the action of that singularity, then everything that exists is dependent on the existence of God(s.w.a). The creation of God, i.e. everything, has an existence which is dependent and contingent on the existence of God(s.w.a). So if God(s.w.a) died, then nothing would exist. Since things exist , i.e. you, me, the Internet, your computer, your house, etc, therefore God also exists and did not die. 

You said God created 'and then died'. The 'and then' implies that God and the creation are both dependent on time in the same way. This is not the case. If God is the 'Prime Cause' and is outside of time there is no 'and then' in relation to God like there is with the creation which is dependent on time. So God cannot create ' and then' anything. I hope that makes sense to you. It does show that time, just like everything else is dependent on God. So if time exists, then God also exists and did not 'and then' die. There is no ' and then' in relation to the being or entity know as God, Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)

Btw, I did not come up with any of this on my own. It is basically a rewording of a famous Hadith by Amir Al Mumineen Ali ibn Abi Talib(عليه السلام). I will post the link below

https://fb.watch/qSFI7ctl7i/?mibextid=RtaFA8

 

Salam. 

Edited March 17, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[313_Waiter]

On 3/16/2024 at 9:44 AM, BabaAlawi said:

I also have questions, like I always thought, if god is infinitely more intelligent than us, or infinitely more superior, then why would he bother with us? 

God is closer to us than our jugular vein (50:16).

Of course, He is transcendent, but He is also immanent - “wherever you look there is the Face of God” (2:115).

God‘s infinite mercy encompasses ALL things (7:156).

In 2:31, Adam is taught the Divine Names, making him worthy of the angels bowing down to him (2:34). Ultimately though, it is Allah (azwj) alone we bow to . All praise is his (1:1). 

 

 
 

 

 

 

Wsalam

[BabaAlawi]

17 hours ago, notme said:

Why do you think that a worm, which has no brain at all, is closer to us in intelligence than we are to God in comprehension of The Creation? We were created to be God's representatives on and stewards over the earth.

Religion is not simply a set of rituals, but a means of working toward understanding of The Creator. We can never gain full understanding, but we can and should try.

Well of course we are closer to worms than we are closer to god in intelligence. 

God is INFINITELY more intelligent than us, or anything. Humans are finite beings, which means we can only compare to other finite beings. 

My inquiry was based upon this notion: that god is infinitely more superior to us.

so I don't understand the intelligence argument, nor does it even matter because god could do whatever he wills, which means that it does not make sense that we got revelation because we are "smarter" than other animals and insects.

If god willed, he could make any animal on this planet and beyond understand the revelations he gives them, which nullifies the intelligence argument in my eyes.

So it brought me to the "why would god bother with us if he is infinitely more intelligent than us" question. 

I hope i made myself clearer, thank you for your response 

 

[BabaAlawi]

5 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

The reason you can't comprehend what 'nothing' is, is because you have never experienced 'nothing'. Even if you were an astronaut and went into deep space, that is still something. There is the four dimensions (3 dimensional space + time). There is matter in deep space, hydrogen in the form of molecules, charged particles, etc. If you are near a star there is some heat. There is no way, in the way we exist now we can experience 'nothing', so that is probably why you doubt the concept. 

If you look at quantum theory, which states that space and time are actually interwoven and are part of the same phenomenon, then you can get the idea of nothing. According to quantum theory plus the 'big bang' theory which 99.9% of scientists accept based on the evidence for both of these being a reality, at one point we know there was 'nothing'. There was no space, no matter, and thus no time, because time exists and is dependent on space. If there is no time, no space, and no matter, then there is nothing. This is what we call nothing. 

But there was something that is outside of time, space, and matter that created what scientists call the 'singularity' i.e. the smallest point imaginable which contained 'everything' or at least everything we know of, all space, time, matter, and all the fundamental forces which govern the operations of our universe (gravity, electromagnetism, etc). Then in one instant, between 8 and 27 billion years ago, 'everything' happened and then there was space, time, matter, and the fundamental forces all at once. That is what the big bang is, there was nothing, and then there was everything. I say everything because all the 'complexity' that you talk about is governed by the laws that govern space, time, matter, i.e. the fundamental forces and these fundamental forces were created by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and that is how the 'complexity' happens, ie as the result of interactions of matter plus these fundamental forces which are all the creation of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), glorified by He(s.w.a). 

So let's focus on that 'something' that created this singularity. There is only two possibilities here, First, that this singularity was the end result of some other process that occured in an alternate dimension or reality or Second, that this singularity was created by a being or entity that is outside of time, space, matter, etc. The first possibility leads to infinite regress, which is not logical, so the only logical possibility is the second, i.e. that this singularity was created by a being or entity that is outside of time, space, and matter. We call this entity Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and this theory is logical and actually the only logical theory regarding 'nothing' and 'everything'. 

When I say the first possibility leads to 'infinite regress', I am saying that if the singularity was a result of a process in a parallel reality or dimension, then what created that dimension, and that dimension, and that dimension, i.e. to infinity. At some point, there must be a 'Prime Cause' which created 'everything' from 'nothing'. The first possibility which is posed by atheists, is only avoiding the question of a prime cause, it does not answer it.

Now the other part of your question, i.e. does God 'owe' us anything and why would he be interested in us, etc, I can answer later when I have time or others can answer, InSha Allah as there are many here, regulars, lol, who can answer that completely. 

I will answer one really quick. God 'dying' is an impossible thing given what I just said above. If the singularity was dependent on God(s.w.a), and everything else that exists is dependent on the action of that singularity, then everything that exists is dependent on the existence of God(s.w.a). The creation of God, i.e. everything, has an existence which is dependent and contingent on the existence of God(s.w.a). So if God(s.w.a) died, then nothing would exist. Since things exist , i.e. you, me, the Internet, your computer, your house, etc, therefore God also exists and did not die. 

You said God created 'and then died'. The 'and then' implies that God and the creation are both dependent on time in the same way. This is not the case. If God is the 'Prime Cause' and is outside of time there is no 'and then' in relation to God like there is with the creation which is dependent on time. So God cannot create ' and then' anything. I hope that makes sense to you. It does show that time, just like everything else is dependent on God. So if time exists, then God also exists and did not 'and then' die. There is no ' and then' in relation to the being or entity know as God, Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)

Btw, I did not come up with any of this on my own. It is basically a rewording of a famous Hadith by Amir Al Mumineen Ali ibn Abi Talib(عليه السلام). I will post the link below

https://fb.watch/qSFI7ctl7i/?mibextid=RtaFA8

 

Salam. 

I see, thank you for your detailed response, it was amazing!

I have one question though, does this mean that god HAD to possess all of the qualities that we associate with Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)? 

Like omnipotent etc etc. 

And I suppose that the god in question should have always existed because that would mean that its not bound by space nor time, and only something that is outside of that could create our reality.

I agree with this theory, although it posses other questions which are equally intriguing, which is how god was able to have infinite knowledge and wisdom to create every single thing we see today in the cosmos.

One thing that I don't get, if god already was the prime causer of everything, and if he does not manage every single thing, because he already ordained the universe beforehand, then why would the universe still be dependent on him when it has laws that govern it already?

I think that I strayed off the main topic a little, so maybe we can talk about this in another thread if you'd like  
 

[Abu Hadi]

Salam, 

Our Imams have taught us not to go to far into the topic of the 'being' or 'entity' of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) because we are so far from being able to understand this being in the detailed way we can understand other aspects of creation, because they are finite and we are finite, they are created and at some point didn't exist, just like us. When it comes to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is uncreated, meaning He(s.w.a) always existed. Like I said in my previous post He(s.w.a) is outside of time so the present, past, and future are the same to Him(s.w.a) and there is no distinction between them as far as His(s.w.a) existence. That we can say

He(s.w.a) has infinite wisdom because he is Al Hakim(s.w.a). Al Hakim means the sum total of all wisdom or wisdom itself. All the wisdom that exists amoung us human beings is only a small portion of what is given to us by Al Hakim, i.e. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and there is so much of this wisdom which we have never heard of and don't have access to. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) uses this type of infinite wisdom to do things like create from nothing and design the universe in such as way that we can understand it on a certain level and use things like scientific research to make our lives better (and also worse sometimes depending on how we use it). A good example of levels of hikmat (wisdom) is the narration of Prophet Moses(Musa) and Khidr in the Holy Quran which I'm sure you are familiar with. One of the points of this narration was to show that even though Moses((عليه السلام)) was a Prophet, and even an Ul Al Azam Prophet, and even though he spoke with Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) directly without an intermediary, there was still hikmat, wisdom which he was not familiar with and not only that, even wisdom which when it was shown to him he objected to it, even though in the end it was actually a good thing. This shows us the limits of human beings, even Prophets, with regards to wisdom. 

It is the same with knowledge. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is Al Alim(s.w.a). This means that all knowledge or knowledge itself is with Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). No human being or any other thing in creation , including our Imams((عليه السلام)) or Rasoulallah(p.b.u.h), is Al Alim because this only refers to an entity (Allah) who has complete and total knowledge of everything. Evey the Prophets and Imams((عليه السلام)) only had knowledge as much as Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) gave them. Their knowledge was much, much more than what we are given but nothing compared to what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has. They themselves admitted this on many occasions. That's why a knowledgeable person can be called 'alim' but not Al Alim, as this would be shirk to say this about a human being. 

About management, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) does manage everything that exists. That is why Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is referred to as Al Rub, The Manager or Al Wakil, the One who safeguards. This management takes different forms. In almost all cases, this management occurs thru the laws which Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) has put in place and these laws are not 'self sustaining' but they depend on his Will which is above everything. The fact that His(s.w.a) Will is greater than everything is the meaning of Allahu Akbar, i.e. God is Greater, Greater than anything and this is referring to his Will which can overcome all things. That is why in addition to the normal way things occur, i.e. thru his laws it can also occur in an extraordinary way outside of his laws and outside of the normal order of things without disrupting the overall system of creation. 

A good example of this is what is occurring now in Palestine between the Islamic resistance and the Zionists. The Zionists have the backing of the most powerful countries on earth, the latest technology, access to unlimited wealth and resources and yet they are losing (on a military not just a public opinion level) to the resistance who have primitive weapons and few resources and who have no major countries backing them. This is an ayat of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), i.e. a powerful sign that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) does what he wills and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is the Supporter of the Mumineen, those who believe in him and attempt to follow his orders, despite the fact that under the normal operation of things they would have lost by now. Salam. 

 

Edited March 17, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[BabaAlawi]

Thank you a lot for your in depth explanations, you've cleared my doubts about the cosmological argument topic. May Allah grant you more wisdom.

[Antimatter]

On 3/16/2024 at 3:44 AM, BabaAlawi said:

A lot of people have different interpretations as to what it is, but basically said, it is a belief that there is a god, but he does not intervine in our daily life.

If there is a god there must be his guidance at all levels. The independent process like evolution itself is not independent. If there were no guidance at this level, this physical world wouldn't look like how it is. 

For rational beings, who are we? why we are here? What is our purpose? These sorts of questions demands the answers. The one who has created all things and have arranged for them their provisions in advance, cannot ignore the reason. 

[BabaAlawi]

22 hours ago, Antimatter said:

If there is a god there must be his guidance at all levels. The independent process like evolution itself is not independent. If there were no guidance at this level, this physical world wouldn't look like how it is. 

For rational beings, who are we? why we are here? What is our purpose? These sorts of questions demands the answers. The one who has created all things and have arranged for them their provisions in advance, cannot ignore the reason. 

Well no, there is no "there has to be". Why does god owe us, creatures that are infinitely less greater than he is, an explanation? 

And evolution by nature is independent, it is merely a system that the first cause of the universe (god) created. 

For example, evolution cannot go against itself, nature has laws that it adheres to, which means that god isn't interfering with it to create something outside of the system (That he made). 

I am not saying that evolution means god doesn't exist, but that we haven't observed these laws being broken. 

Going back to the topic at hand, god does not owe us any answers, the question is WHY would he care about such an insignificant point in the seemingly infinite cosmos, and care about the human being.

Why did he not care about us in the past, why did he choose to reveal the final religion 1400 years ago?

And it does not make sense to say 1400 years ago was the perfect time, because god can do whatever, so he could have revealed it millions of years before, and i would have still existed today (if he willed). 

And why would he choose to reveal his final message in a very obscure way? God as we know him through observing the universe, is a very scientific, mathematic god.

Why don't we see that in religion? A lot of it is not grounded in reality, and it takes "faith" to believe in. We have to believe in the "unseen". 

Why does the scientific god not make things a lot more logical, so that it is a process which makes sense, making faith not a requirment.

I know some will say that you have to TRUST in god, and faith puts that trust mechanic in place, but every religion ever needed faith, why not logic?

And some will again say that we would not have understood his message if it was revealed in a different manner, but we don't understand a lot of the qur'an as it is, and we haven't for 1400 years.

Why would it be different if we didn't understand the science in there? We would have understood it at some point. It doesn't need to be vague or mysterious.

There are things in the qur'an that only Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows, and no one else will ever know. 


 

[humble-servant]

On 3/15/2024 at 6:44 PM, BabaAlawi said:

Recently, I have been digging more into "deism". A lot of people have different interpretations as to what it is, but basically said, it is a belief that there is a god, but he does not intervine in our daily life.

I think I find this to be better than atheism. I still cannot wrap my head around atheism if I were to be honest.

It just does not make sense that everything in our universe came into existence out of "nothing" even though it was not REALLY "nothing", it does not explain how complex the universe is.

At the same time, some may argue that religion does not make sense in light of modern science or for whatever reason. 

I also have questions, like I always thought, if god is infinitely more intelligent than us, or infinitely more superior, then why would he bother with us? 

It's kind of like me coming up to a worm and trying to save it. It could be said that god chose us because we are intelligent, but in the grand scheme of things, are we really?

I mean we are truly nothing in comparision to god, and what would be the reason that he owes us an explanation? 

What's the reason that we are owed an afterlife? 

Was it just us being afraid to face the realities that govern our world? did we make religions up to cope with the fact that we are all going to die, and somehow we wish that there is an escape?

Well, I guess we will find out when we are dead. But I don't know, maybe I am getting too ahead of myself.

Anyway, it's very improbable that god does exist, I think thats clear.

It could be a "first causer" that kicked everything into motion, it could be a being that created everything but died, it could be a god that is alive and well, but simply does not care about us/

But why religion?

I know some people will say that religion was made to ground us ethically and morally, to distinguish right and wrong, but why would god care about us? As i explained before he is infinitely more intelligent than us. A worm is probably closer to being as smart as we are in comparision to god, and you don't see us caring about them or sending divine revelations.

If you believe in God and there is no God, then when you die you're gonna be fine. If you don't believe in God and there is a God, when you die, may God help you.

الله أعلم

[humble-servant]

On 3/15/2024 at 6:44 PM, BabaAlawi said:

Recently, I have been digging more into "deism". A lot of people have different interpretations as to what it is, but basically said, it is a belief that there is a god, but he does not intervine in our daily life.

I think I find this to be better than atheism. I still cannot wrap my head around atheism if I were to be honest.

It just does not make sense that everything in our universe came into existence out of "nothing" even though it was not REALLY "nothing", it does not explain how complex the universe is.

At the same time, some may argue that religion does not make sense in light of modern science or for whatever reason. 

I also have questions, like I always thought, if god is infinitely more intelligent than us, or infinitely more superior, then why would he bother with us? 

It's kind of like me coming up to a worm and trying to save it. It could be said that god chose us because we are intelligent, but in the grand scheme of things, are we really?

I mean we are truly nothing in comparision to god, and what would be the reason that he owes us an explanation? 

What's the reason that we are owed an afterlife? 

Was it just us being afraid to face the realities that govern our world? did we make religions up to cope with the fact that we are all going to die, and somehow we wish that there is an escape?

Well, I guess we will find out when we are dead. But I don't know, maybe I am getting too ahead of myself.

Anyway, it's very improbable that god does exist, I think thats clear.

It could be a "first causer" that kicked everything into motion, it could be a being that created everything but died, it could be a god that is alive and well, but simply does not care about us/

But why religion?

I know some people will say that religion was made to ground us ethically and morally, to distinguish right and wrong, but why would god care about us? As i explained before he is infinitely more intelligent than us. A worm is probably closer to being as smart as we are in comparision to god, and you don't see us caring about them or sending divine revelations.

If you believe in God and there is no God, then when you die you're gonna be fine. If you don't believe in God and there is a God, when you die, may God help you.

الله أعلم

[humble-servant]

On 3/15/2024 at 6:44 PM, BabaAlawi said:

Recently, I have been digging more into "deism". A lot of people have different interpretations as to what it is, but basically said, it is a belief that there is a god, but he does not intervine in our daily life.

I think I find this to be better than atheism. I still cannot wrap my head around atheism if I were to be honest.

It just does not make sense that everything in our universe came into existence out of "nothing" even though it was not REALLY "nothing", it does not explain how complex the universe is.

At the same time, some may argue that religion does not make sense in light of modern science or for whatever reason. 

I also have questions, like I always thought, if god is infinitely more intelligent than us, or infinitely more superior, then why would he bother with us? 

It's kind of like me coming up to a worm and trying to save it. It could be said that god chose us because we are intelligent, but in the grand scheme of things, are we really?

I mean we are truly nothing in comparision to god, and what would be the reason that he owes us an explanation? 

What's the reason that we are owed an afterlife? 

Was it just us being afraid to face the realities that govern our world? did we make religions up to cope with the fact that we are all going to die, and somehow we wish that there is an escape?

Well, I guess we will find out when we are dead. But I don't know, maybe I am getting too ahead of myself.

Anyway, it's very improbable that god does exist, I think thats clear.

It could be a "first causer" that kicked everything into motion, it could be a being that created everything but died, it could be a god that is alive and well, but simply does not care about us/

But why religion?

I know some people will say that religion was made to ground us ethically and morally, to distinguish right and wrong, but why would god care about us? As i explained before he is infinitely more intelligent than us. A worm is probably closer to being as smart as we are in comparision to god, and you don't see us caring about them or sending divine revelations.

If you believe in God and there is no God, then when you die you're gonna be fine. If you don't believe in God and there is a God, when you die, may God help you.

الله أعلم