Sayeda Fatima is NOT laylatul Qadr

[In Gods Name]

In the continued war against the Quran by the ghulat, they sought to add hidden Batni meanings and replaced almost every other main theme or word in the Quran with Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Hussain out of their extreme love and ghuluw, and no doubt the Ahlulbayt cursed the Ghulat. You hear these batni ghulat tafaseer parroted by uncritical molvis in Iraq and Iran and India, to loud Salawat.

Ayatul Kursi? It's apparently Ali and Fatima. Yawm al Qiyama and the great news? It's Ali. Laylatul Qadr? It's Fatima. The mosquito? It's apparently Ali. QAF ? KAF = Kerbala, 

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ليلة القدر خير من الف شهر يعني فاطمة سلام الله عليها

روي عن محمد بن جمهور عن موسى بن بكر عن زرارة عن حمران

The Night of Ordainment is better than a thousand months meaning Fatima, Allah's peace be upon her.

Narrated from Muhammad bin Jumhur, from Musa bin Bakr from Zurara from Humran

Ta'wil al-Ayat, v.2, p.818

 

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Regarding Muhammed bin Jumhur, Ghada'iri says:

 

16 - محمد بن جمهور، أبو عبد الله، العمي. غال، فاسد الحديث، لا يكتب حديثه. رأيت له شعرا يحلل فيه محرمات الله عز وجل. 

16 – Muḥammad b. Jumhūr, Abū ʿAbdillāh, the blind.  A ghālī, corrupt in ḥadīth, his ḥadīth are not to be written.  I saw that he has a poem wherein he deems lawful the prohibitions of God O .عزO وجل

Kitāb al-Ḍuʿafāʾ, Muḥammad b. Jumhūr, Abū ʿAbdillāh, Hadith #1

https://thaqalayn.net/hadith/17/20/16/1

Edited February 19, 2024 by In Gods Name

[Guest Laylatul Qadr]

Bismehe Ta'ala, 

First of all, you really need to study before pulling out grading of hadith from thaqalayn.net. 

For your betterment, I am quoting what has been mentioned on that website itself;

"In other words, it is very much possible for one or more transmitters of a ḥadīth to be known as an untrustworthy person, and subsequently for the ḥādīth to be classified as weak, however, when put alongside other similar traditions or in light of other contextual indicators, its content could be attributed to the Prophet (p) or the infallibles (a) with conviction. Likewise, it is very much possible for the transmitters of a ḥadīth to be trustworthy, and subsequently for the ḥadīth to be classified as authentic, yet based on other contextual indicators, one may conclude that its contents cannot be attributed to the Prophet (p) or the infallibles with conviction. In fact, at times the contrary evidence may be strong enough to even conclude that the report was a fabrication."

So this hadith may appear as weak to you but its content are attributed to Imam (عليه السلام) with conviction. 

What are the other indicators? Perhaps a unanimously accepted sahih hadith;

"Fatima (S) is part of me (بضعة مني)" 

In what meaning the word بضعة understood by scholars? As heart.

What relationship would be between "laylatul qadr" & "Fatima (S)" if she is the heart of Prophet? (فاطمة بهجة قلبي)

Quran was revealed in laylatul qadr on the very heart of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). So if Al-Zahra (S) is the heart of the Prophet (S), as a result of her being a part of him, the Qur’an will also be stable and stored in her heart.

What does it mean when someone say that Qur'an is stable & stored in her heart (مستقراً ومخزوناً في قلبها)? 

There are many dimensions to discuss that which you cannot tolerate with your existing approach & knowledge. I hope one day you will attain the "laylatul qadr" by the ma'rifah of Syeda Fatima (S). 

مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَكِن جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا 

Its all about understanding of Nur, of Qur'an and Al-Zahra (S). And that perhaps would lead you to understand another hadith:

نحن حجج الله على الخلق وجدتنا فاطمة حجة الله علينا

[Guest Watch]

The following is from a Zaidi source:

فرات قال: حدثنا محمد بن القاسم بن عبيد معنعناً:
عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام أنه قال: { إنا أنزلناه في ليلة القدر } الليلة فاطمة والقدر الله فمن عرف فاطمة حق معرفتها فقد أدرك ليلة القدر، وإنما سميت فاطمة لأن الخلق فطموا عن معرفتها - أو من معرفتها الشك [من أبي القاسم. أ، ب] - وقوله: { وما أدراك ما ليلة القدر؟! ليلة القدر خيرٌ من ألف شهر } يعني خير من ألف مؤمن وهي أم المؤمنين { تنزل الملائكة والروح فيها } والملائكة المؤمنون الذين يملكون علم آل محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم والروح القدس هي فاطمة عليها السلام { بإذن ربهم من كل أمر سلام هي حتى مطلع الفجر } يعني حتى يخرج القائم عليه السلام.

From Abu Abdullah (Imam Jaffar (a)): "Indeed we revealed on the night of the value", the Night is Fatima and the value of God so who recognizes Fatima with the true recognition so then he has understood the night of Qadr, and she is only named Fatima because creation is weaned from her knowledge or our knowledge (he doubts) and his saying "what makes you know the night of Qadr? The night of Qadr is better a thousand shahr (luminaries to be turned to/months)" meaning better then thousands of believers/security givers and she is the mother of believers/security givers "The Angels come down and there is a spirit in it" The Angels are the believers (of the Jinn) who carry the knowledge of the family of Mohammad (s) and the holy spirit is Fatima (A) "by the permission of their lord from all affairs/command there is peace until the coming of the morning", meaning until the the Qaim (a) comes out.

[sunnism]

These are some reports from basair ul darajat. 

Al saffar, from Muhammad b. Al-Husayn, from Wahib b. Hafs, from Abu Basir, who said: Abu Ja’far (عليه السلام) said: Our Wilayah is the Wilayah of Allah, which no prophet has been sent except by it. (Al-Saffar 95)

Al-Saffar, from Ahmed b. Muhammad, from ‘Ali b. Al-Hakam, from Sayf b. ‘Umayrah, from Abu Bakr Al-Hadhrami, from Hudhayfah b. Usayd, from the Messenger of Allah: “The prophethood of a prophet was never complete until my Wilayah and the Wilayah of my Ahlulbait was presented forth to him and he then submits to their obedience and (Al-Saffar 93)

Al-Saffar, from Al-Sindi b. Muhammad, from Yunus b. Ya’qub, from ‘Abdul’A’la, who said: Abu ‘Abdullah said: No prophet has ever become a prophet until he recognizes our rights and our superiority over everyone else. (Al-Saffar 94)

Al-Saffar, from Al-‘Abbas b. Ma’ruf, from Hammad b. ‘Isa, from Rab’i, from Muhammad b. Muslim, from Abu Ja’far (عليه السلام) regarding the ayah, “Had they upheld the Torah, Injil and what had been revealed to them from their Lord,” he said: “[It is] the Wilayah.” (Al-Saffar 96)

All of these reports are authentic. 

[In Gods Name]

4 minutes ago, sunnism said:

These are some reports from basair ul darajat. 

Al saffar, from Muhammad b. Al-Husayn, from Wahib b. Hafs, from Abu Basir, who said: Abu Ja’far (عليه السلام) said: Our Wilayah is the Wilayah of Allah, which no prophet has been sent except by it. (Al-Saffar 95)

Al-Saffar, from Ahmed b. Muhammad, from ‘Ali b. Al-Hakam, from Sayf b. ‘Umayrah, from Abu Bakr Al-Hadhrami, from Hudhayfah b. Usayd, from the Messenger of Allah: “The prophethood of a prophet was never complete until my Wilayah and the Wilayah of my Ahlulbait was presented forth to him and he then submits to their obedience and (Al-Saffar 93)

Al-Saffar, from Al-Sindi b. Muhammad, from Yunus b. Ya’qub, from ‘Abdul’A’la, who said: Abu ‘Abdullah said: No prophet has ever become a prophet until he recognizes our rights and our superiority over everyone else. (Al-Saffar 94)

Al-Saffar, from Al-‘Abbas b. Ma’ruf, from Hammad b. ‘Isa, from Rab’i, from Muhammad b. Muslim, from Abu Ja’far (عليه السلام) regarding the ayah, “Had they upheld the Torah, Injil and what had been revealed to them from their Lord,” he said: “[It is] the Wilayah.” (Al-Saffar 96)

All of these reports are authentic. 

I won't comment on whether or not they are authentic, because that is another discussion and debate, but what does this have to do with Fatima sa being Laylatul Qadr? You've pulled them from TSN.

This is about issues like Ayatul Kursi, Qadr, Surah Naba, the letters before the Surahs , rather than the topic of Wilayah itself generally. 

Edited February 19, 2024 by In Gods Name

[sunnism]

1 minute ago, In Gods Name said:

I won't comment on whether or not they are authentic, because that is another discussion and debate, but what does this have to do with Fatima sa being Laylatul Qadr?

This is about issues like Ayatul Kursi, Qadr, Surah Naba, the letters before the Surahs , rather than the topic of Wilayah itself generally. 

Do you consider these narrations as exageration or not? 

Edited February 19, 2024 by sunnism

[In Gods Name]

1 minute ago, sunnism said:

Do you consider these narrations as exageration or not? 

The thread ya Akhi, is about the ahlulbayt being inserted into codified form. I.E. Laylatul Qadr is Fatima, or Imam Ali is the great news in surah an-Naba etc.

In terms of general verses referring to Wilayah, maybe make another thread insha Allah. I haven't got one view or the other about this yet.

[Abu Nur]

14 hours ago, Guest Laylatul Qadr said:

Bismehe Ta'ala, 

First of all, you really need to study before pulling out grading of hadith from thaqalayn.net. 

For your betterment, I am quoting what has been mentioned on that website itself;

"In other words, it is very much possible for one or more transmitters of a ḥadīth to be known as an untrustworthy person, and subsequently for the ḥādīth to be classified as weak, however, when put alongside other similar traditions or in light of other contextual indicators, its content could be attributed to the Prophet (p) or the infallibles (a) with conviction. Likewise, it is very much possible for the transmitters of a ḥadīth to be trustworthy, and subsequently for the ḥadīth to be classified as authentic, yet based on other contextual indicators, one may conclude that its contents cannot be attributed to the Prophet (p) or the infallibles with conviction. In fact, at times the contrary evidence may be strong enough to even conclude that the report was a fabrication."

So this hadith may appear as weak to you but its content are attributed to Imam (عليه السلام) with conviction. 

What are the other indicators? Perhaps a unanimously accepted sahih hadith;

"Fatima (S) is part of me (بضعة مني)" 

In what meaning the word بضعة understood by scholars? As heart.

What relationship would be between "laylatul qadr" & "Fatima (S)" if she is the heart of Prophet? (فاطمة بهجة قلبي)

Quran was revealed in laylatul qadr on the very heart of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). So if Al-Zahra (S) is the heart of the Prophet (S), as a result of her being a part of him, the Qur’an will also be stable and stored in her heart.

What does it mean when someone say that Qur'an is stable & stored in her heart (مستقراً ومخزوناً في قلبها)? 

There are many dimensions to discuss that which you cannot tolerate with your existing approach & knowledge. I hope one day you will attain the "laylatul qadr" by the ma'rifah of Syeda Fatima (S). 

مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَكِن جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا 

Its all about understanding of Nur, of Qur'an and Al-Zahra (S). And that perhaps would lead you to understand another hadith:

نحن حجج الله على الخلق وجدتنا فاطمة حجة الله علينا

If we take things that way then every achievement and honor of Prophet (saws) is also included with Fatima al Zahra (عليه السلام), thus it will lead to equality and contradiction. 

Sometimes I think that the narration of Fatima is part of me should be understood at the context, where whoever hurt her will hurt the Prophet and bring wrath of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

[Guest Laylatul Qadr]

1 hour ago, Abu Nur said:

If we take things that way then every achievement and honor of Prophet (saws) is also included with Fatima al Zahra (عليه السلام), thus it will lead to equality and contradiction. 

Bimehe Ta'ala,

Infact it is the case. Except the prophethood, in every achievement & honor of prophet, Al-Zahra (S) being part of Prophet (S), is included. 

The equality you are talking about would not be absolute because of the difference between "Kull" & "Juzz".

Beside, we also have hadith which presents everyone from the 14 infallibles ((عليه السلام)) as Muhammad (S). That doesn't mean anyone of them share Prophethood with the Prophet (S). 

[In Gods Name]

20 hours ago, Guest Watch said:

The following is from a Zaidi source:

فرات قال: حدثنا محمد بن القاسم بن عبيد معنعناً:
عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام أنه قال: { إنا أنزلناه في ليلة القدر } الليلة فاطمة والقدر الله فمن عرف فاطمة حق معرفتها فقد أدرك ليلة القدر، وإنما سميت فاطمة لأن الخلق فطموا عن معرفتها - أو من معرفتها الشك [من أبي القاسم. أ، ب] - وقوله: { وما أدراك ما ليلة القدر؟! ليلة القدر خيرٌ من ألف شهر } يعني خير من ألف مؤمن وهي أم المؤمنين { تنزل الملائكة والروح فيها } والملائكة المؤمنون الذين يملكون علم آل محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم والروح القدس هي فاطمة عليها السلام { بإذن ربهم من كل أمر سلام هي حتى مطلع الفجر } يعني حتى يخرج القائم عليه السلام.

From Abu Abdullah (Imam Jaffar (a)): "Indeed we revealed on the night of the value", the Night is Fatima and the value of God so who recognizes Fatima with the true recognition so then he has understood the night of Qadr, and she is only named Fatima because creation is weaned from her knowledge or our knowledge (he doubts) and his saying "what makes you know the night of Qadr? The night of Qadr is better a thousand shahr (luminaries to be turned to/months)" meaning better then thousands of believers/security givers and she is the mother of believers/security givers "The Angels come down and there is a spirit in it" The Angels are the believers (of the Jinn) who carry the knowledge of the family of Mohammad (s) and the holy spirit is Fatima (A) "by the permission of their lord from all affairs/command there is peace until the coming of the morning", meaning until the the Qaim (a) comes out.

This is utter Khurafat.

Allah has explicitly declared the angels who come down to be angels, and now the Ghulat have infiltrated the corpus and are claiming no, even those angels are Jinns who follow the ahlulbayt (again, insertion of ahlulbayt into laughable places) and the Holy Spirit is now allegedly Sayeda Fatima sa?

This is insulting towards the Ahlulbayt, truly, and the biggest sort of abuse towards Sayeda Fatima sa.

Can you please name this Zaydi source? When was it published? What do the Zaydis say, because i can assure you, they would not accept this khurafat.

The month of Ramadhan is approaching us, these are all excellent but truly disturbing examples of how the ghulat launched a full scale war against the Ahlulbayt and the Quran out of their extremism. 

Edited February 20, 2024 by In Gods Name

[In Gods Name]

20 hours ago, Guest Laylatul Qadr said:

Bismehe Ta'ala, 

First of all, you really need to study before pulling out grading of hadith from thaqalayn.net. 

For your betterment, I am quoting what has been mentioned on that website itself;

"In other words, it is very much possible for one or more transmitters of a ḥadīth to be known as an untrustworthy person, and subsequently for the ḥādīth to be classified as weak, however, when put alongside other similar traditions or in light of other contextual indicators, its content could be attributed to the Prophet (p) or the infallibles (a) with conviction. Likewise, it is very much possible for the transmitters of a ḥadīth to be trustworthy, and subsequently for the ḥadīth to be classified as authentic, yet based on other contextual indicators, one may conclude that its contents cannot be attributed to the Prophet (p) or the infallibles with conviction. In fact, at times the contrary evidence may be strong enough to even conclude that the report was a fabrication."

So this hadith may appear as weak to you but its content are attributed to Imam (عليه السلام) with conviction. 

What are the other indicators? Perhaps a unanimously accepted sahih hadith;

"Fatima (S) is part of me (بضعة مني)" 

In what meaning the word بضعة understood by scholars? As heart.

What relationship would be between "laylatul qadr" & "Fatima (S)" if she is the heart of Prophet? (فاطمة بهجة قلبي)

Quran was revealed in laylatul qadr on the very heart of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). So if Al-Zahra (S) is the heart of the Prophet (S), as a result of her being a part of him, the Qur’an will also be stable and stored in her heart.

What does it mean when someone say that Qur'an is stable & stored in her heart (مستقراً ومخزوناً في قلبها)? 

There are many dimensions to discuss that which you cannot tolerate with your existing approach & knowledge. I hope one day you will attain the "laylatul qadr" by the ma'rifah of Syeda Fatima (S). 

مَا كُنتَ تَدْرِي مَا الْكِتَابُ وَلَا الْإِيمَانُ وَلَكِن جَعَلْنَاهُ نُورًا 

Its all about understanding of Nur, of Qur'an and Al-Zahra (S). And that perhaps would lead you to understand another hadith:

نحن حجج الله على الخلق وجدتنا فاطمة حجة الله علينا

The Messenger of Allah saw saying that his daughter is his own flesh or blood and anyone who hurts her hurts him, does not in any language or logic, translate to accepting her as Laylatul Qadr.

[In Gods Name]

20 hours ago, Guest Laylatul Qadr said:

There are many dimensions to discuss that which you cannot tolerate with your existing approach & knowledge. I hope one day you will attain the "laylatul qadr" by the ma'rifah of Syeda Fatima (S). 

 

"The most serious challenge to the school of Ahl al-Bayt came from the Ghulat. This is because, unlike external enemies whose opposition to the Imams was apparent, the Ghulat were internal enemies whose opposition was hidden. The Ghulat claimed to be the true followers of the Imams and in possession of their ‘secret teaching’. They called for the recognition of the ‘esoteric’ status of the Imams which they considered to be the only means of acquiring salvation. This proved to be especially attractive to many among the gullible Shia who were otherwise sincere in their love towards the Ahl al-Bayt."

The Imams Against the Ghulat – Shiitic Studies

[Abu Nur]

7 hours ago, Guest Laylatul Qadr said:

Bimehe Ta'ala,

Infact it is the case. Except the prophethood, in every achievement & honor of prophet, Al-Zahra (S) being part of Prophet (S), is included. 

The equality you are talking about would not be absolute because of the difference between "Kull" & "Juzz".

Beside, we also have hadith which presents everyone from the 14 infallibles ((عليه السلام)) as Muhammad (S). That doesn't mean anyone of them share Prophethood with the Prophet (S). 

These all have meaning because they have been described by context. You can not just take fatima is part of me then you start to add same qualities. Quran came to prophet because of his messengerhood and status that no one has, how suddenly it can be same for others? If anyone deserves that title then it will be the Prophet (saws), if such a title even exist in the first place. 

Edited February 20, 2024 by Abu Nur

[Antivenom]

Laylatul Qadr is what? 

Imam Muhammad bin Ali al Baqir (عليه السلام) said:

"Present this surah as a decisive argument for the continuity of the divine vicegerency on the earth."

https://quran.al-islam.org/

Even today, we have a Son of Fatimah (عليه السلام) whom we know as "Sahib al-Amr". The angels & Ruh descend on that very Sahib al-Amr with all the affairs:

تَنَزَّلُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ وَالرُّوحُ فِيهَا بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِمْ مِنْ كُلِّ أَمْرٍ {4}

 97:4] The angels and Ruh descend in it by the permission of their Lord for every affair,

So no doubt there are many points which one could explore by knowing the reality of Syed Fatima a s, as said by Imam al-Sadiq (عليه السلام) in a hadith;

"Whoever truly knows Fatima has attained Laylatul-Qadr"

(Antivenom)

[In Gods Name]

29 minutes ago, Antivenom said:

"Whoever truly knows Fatima has attained Laylatul-Qadr"

 

Salamualaykum my dear brother,

Where's the source, primary work and chain of narrators?

A lie upon Allah can make us liable for divine punishment, no matter what good intentions. The Ahlulbayt were the target of a full scale war by the Ghulat, who out of different motivations among which was a perverted idea of extreme love, distorted the Quran in text and T'awil in their narrations.

Edited February 25, 2024 by In Gods Name

[Antivenom]

Wa Alaikum Salam

The hadith is present in Bihar and Tafseer Firat al-Kufi

http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/2339_تفسير-فرات-الكوفي-فرات-بن-إبراهيم-الكوفي/الصفحة_528

20 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

A lie upon Allah can make us liable for divine punishment,

I beg your pardon, but with your poor methodology you will also have problems with Imam Ali (عليه السلام) being "Naba'il Azeem", Imam Mehdi ajtf being the misdaq of "Baqiyyatullah". 

Bring some "Irfan" in your self. If you are incapable, just stay at your existing level. 

(Antivenom)

[In Gods Name]

3 minutes ago, Antivenom said:

Wa Alaikum Salam

The hadith is present in Bihar and Tafseer Firat al-Kufi

http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/الكتب/2339_تفسير-فرات-الكوفي-فرات-بن-إبراهيم-الكوفي/الصفحة_528

 

Being present in Bihar dear brother is not evidence. Bihar al Anwar is a 110 volume collection of absolutely everything. The student of Sayed Khui, Ayatollah Muhsini out of 110 volumes only took out three volumes of what he deemed authentic. Bihar contains narrations like -Nauzubillah- Allah will come on the day of judgement in the form of a man on a donkey - Glory be to Allah above this utter lie. It was compiled about 1000 years after the Prophet/Imams.

You need to provide the actual original source from a primary work, along with the chain of narrators.

Otherwise, on the day of judgement you could be liable for questioning for claiming something of the Prophet and his Ahlulbayt that they never authentically claimed about themselves.

[Antivenom]

2 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

Being present in Bihar dear brother is not evidence

lol, Bihar has quoted the reference of Tafseer Furat by أبو القاسم فرات بن إبراهيم بن فرات الكوفي (352 هـ) , 

9 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

Bihar contains narrations like -Nauzubillah- Allah will come on the day of judgement in the form of a man on a donkey - Glory be to Allah above this utter lie. It was compiled about 1000 years after the Prophet/Imams.

Again that is not a good approach to look at the matter. Collecting ahadith is a different matter, declaring whatever collected is sahih, is a different matter. 

By the way, I am not interested in discussing our revered scholars. They have done a fantastic job by collecting whatever they got. 

15 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

You need to provide the actual original source from a primary work, along with the chain of narrators.

Already provided, see the link in my previous post. 

(Antivenom)

[In Gods Name]

21 minutes ago, Antivenom said:

lol, Bihar has quoted the reference of Tafseer Furat by أبو القاسم فرات بن إبراهيم بن فرات الكوفي (352 هـ) , 

Already provided, see the link in my previous post. 

(Antivenom)

تفسير فرات الكوفي (ziydia.com)

I've gone to this Riwayah under Suratul-Qadr. Page 225 if you download the PDF.

Please show me where there is an unconnected chain of narrators? I can't see it.

[In Gods Name]

4 hours ago, Antivenom said:

lol, Bihar has quoted the reference of Tafseer Furat by أبو القاسم فرات بن إبراهيم بن فرات الكوفي (352 هـ) , 

Again that is not a good approach to look at the matter. Collecting ahadith is a different matter, declaring whatever collected is sahih, is a different matter. 

By the way, I am not interested in discussing our revered scholars. They have done a fantastic job by collecting whatever they got. 

Already provided, see the link in my previous post. 

(Antivenom)

Again a narration without a proper chain of narrators from a book whose authors madhab was unknown.

Even books of tafseer full of Khurafat like Tafsir al Qummi don't contain this narration, nor can i find it in al-Kafi, nor can i find such statements in any other respected classical work.

[Antivenom]

8 hours ago, In Gods Name said:

Again a narration without a proper chain of narrators from a book whose authors madhab were unknown.

Yet Sheikh al-Sadioq, Sheikh Hurr al-Amili, Allama Majlisi etc have taken from him many ahadith. What we know least with 100% confidence about the author, is that he was not a Sunni. According to Sheikh al-Sadooq, he was an Imami. 

And why you have problem with the hadith while there is yet another hadith in al-Kafi

أحمد بن مهران وعلي بن إبراهيم جميعا، عن محمد بن علي، عن الحسن بن راشد، عن يعقوب بن جعفر بن إبراهيم قال: كنت عند أبي الحسن موسى عليه السلام

سل، قال: أخبرني عن كتاب الله تعالى الذي انزل على محمد ونطق به، ثم وصفه بما وصفه به، فقال: " حم * والكتاب المبين * إنا أنزلناه في ليلة مباركة إنا كنا منذرين * فيها يفرق كل أمر حكيم (3) " ما تفسيرها في الباطن؟ فقال: أما حم فهو محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وهو في كتاب هود الذي انزل عليه وهو منقوص الحروف وأما " الكتاب المبين " فهو أمير المؤمنين علي عليه السلام وأما الليلة ففاطمة 

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8 hours ago, In Gods Name said:

Even books of tafseer full of Khurafat

I don't understand what "khurafat" you have found in the text of hadith where "marifah of Syeda Fatima (عليه السلام) is tantamount to attaining laylatul qadr. 

So Imam Ali (عليه السلام) is mentioned as Naba'il Azeem in many ahadith. You make a thread and claim Imam Ali (عليه السلام) is not Naba'il Azeem and start calling it khurafat. 

Syeda Fatima (عليه السلام) is also famously known as "Kauthar". Start claiming that kauthar is the name of pond & Fatima (عليه السلام) is not kauthar. 

Imam Mehdi ajtf is mentioned as "Baqiyyatullah", start claiming he is not Baqiyyatullah. 

These batani ta'veel came from the ones we know as people having deep rooted knowledge (Ahl al-Bayt). Your denial is nothing but your personal opinion which worth nothing. And that is what you really need to understand

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[In Gods Name]

Remember on these holy nights that the Ahlulbayt only preached God centricity. The ghulat and those who had extreme love, the way our Christian brothers and sisters in humanity  - or some - do for Jesus peace be on him, began to fabricate esoteric and highly spurious ahadith to distort and twist the Quran and destroy the foundations of Tawheed and Islam.

Laylatul Qadr is not Fatima sa.

Allah tells us what it is.

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On 2/19/2024 at 9:40 AM, In Gods Name said:

Laylatul Qadr is Fatima

The only person I ever heard say this is you! You are trying to spread this! 

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On 2/20/2024 at 3:10 PM, In Gods Name said:

The Messenger of Allah saw saying that his daughter is his own flesh or blood and anyone who hurts her hurts him, does not in any language or logic, translate to accepting her as Laylatul Qadr.

 

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  On 4/2/2024 at 12:37 AM, In Gods Name said:

Laylatul Qadr is not Fatima sa.

Allah tells us what it is.

Your denial is based on your hatred toward Shia muslims which just for your biased mindset 7 hatred you have denied position of lady Fatima (sa) by parroting Wahabi rhetoric against her majesty.

 

• From the point of view of her physical creation she can be referred to as “لَيْلَةٌ” – ‘the night’19. Thus, it is no problem for us to state that “The spiritual interpretation of ‘لَيْلَةٌ’ – ‘the night’ is Fatima and that the Qur’an was revealed within her (in regards to her Spiritual Divine Celestial Light).

However as to why the word “أَلْقَدْرُ” has been related to Allah in this tradition, it may be due to the overall universality of this grand woman (Fatima Zahra’) being the manifestation of the Divine (His titles, traits and essence). The proof of this point and the previous points are contained in a part of the tradition which reads:

فَمَنْ عَرَفَ فَاطِمَةَ حَقَّ مَعْرِفَتِهَا...

Therefore, a person who has truly grasped the deep understanding of her (Fatima)…

Even though it is possible to state that the augmentation of the word “لَيْلَةُ” to the word “أَلْقَدْرُ” in its apparent reading from the actual words and its reference to Allah in its meaning and interpretation is done in the genitive ceremonial case, for example just as we see in the Qur’an where the word ‘hand’ (يَدٌ) and ‘house’ (بَيْتٌ) are attributed to Allah, and as such we see passages in the Qur’an which speak about “Allah’s hand” (يَدُ اللهِ) or “The House of Allah” (بَيْتُ اللهِ).

Fatima is the very Night of Divine Decrees. Anyone who really knows Fatima as she is has understood the Night of Divine Decrees. Very few people know this great Lady in this way.

 

Imam Jafar as-Sadiq (peace be upon him) once said in a tradition recorded in the commentary of Furat ibn Ibrahim, speaking about the meaning of the Qur’anic verse: “The Night of Divine Decrees (Laylatul Qadr) is Fatima, therefore whoever knows Fatima well has understood the Night of Divine Decrees, and the reason for Fatima being named Fatima20 is that mankind has been ‘prevented from obtaining’ her acquaintance! (or knowing her real status)”21

Addendum: Fatima Zahra’ Is Laylatul Qadr

Addendum: Fatima Zahra’ is the Night of Ordainment (Laylat ul-Qadr)16

Muhammad b. Qasim said that Imam Jafar as-Sadiq said:

إِنَّا أَنْزَلْنَاهُ فِي لَيْلَةِ الْقَدْرِ أَللَّيْلَةُ فَاطِمَةُ وَ الْقَدْرُ اللهُ. فَمَنْ عَرَفَ فَاطِمَةَ حَقَّ مَعْرِفَتِهَا فَقَدْ أَدْرَكَ لَيْلَةَ الْقَدْرِ. وَ إِنَّمَا سُمِّيَتْ فَاطِمَةَ لِأَنَّ الْخَلْقَ فُطِمُوا عَنْ مَعْرِفَتِهَا.

Indeed We revealed it (the Qurʾan) on the Night of Ordainment. (96:1).

‘The in-depth (tawil) interpretation of ‘The Night (al-Layl)’ is Fatima and the in-depth (tawil) interpretation of ‘Ordainment (al-Qadr)’ is Allah. Therefore, a person who has truly grasped a deep understanding of Fatima (and who she is) has actually witnessed and experienced the Night of Ordainment.

Indeed Fatima was called by this name as the creations have been prevented from truly knowing and having a deep understanding of Fatima (we are not able to know her true stature with Allah).17

 

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قال الصادق (علیه السلام):’’ انا انزلناه في لـيلة القـدر’’، الليلة فاطـمه و القـدر الله فمن عرف فاطمه حق معرفتها فقد ادرک ليلة القدر و أنما سميت فاطمه لأن الخلق فطموا عن معرفتها…. بحار الانوار جلد43

Imam Jafar Sadiq said in interpretation of this verse ’’ Indeed, We sent the Qur'an down during the "Night of Decree’’ the night means Fatima and the decree means Allah….

Bihar al-Anwar. v 43

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anyway you will deny such hadith because it has been mentioned in Bihar al-Anwar.

Fatima is Laylatul Qadr of ahlul bayt and surat al-Qadr represent magnitude of her and is interpreted to hazrat Fatima through this reasons:

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1. As Laylatul Qadr is a hidden night and only some of righteous will understand this night, accessing to the spiritual authority of Hazrat Zahra is such.

2. As Laylatul Qadr is one night but is better than a thousand nights,Fatima is a person but is Ummah and the Prophet 's Kosar.

3. As Laylatul Qadr worshiping is such as worshiping thirty thousand nights,knowing of Fatima Zahra is rewarded as laylatul Qadr worshiping and knowing Fatima cause knowing Laylatul Qadr.

4. As in Laylatul Qadr,Qur'an was revealed,from 'Fatima Zahra',eleven Immaculates,eleven Imams and eleven Qur'an Orators has been revealed.

5. As Laylatul Qadr has sublime degrees,hazrat Fatima has sublime degrees,too.

6. And as Laylatul Qadr is still hidden among three nights,hazrat Fatima Zahra (SA) 's grave is hidden probably in three places: her house, Jannat al-Baqi, the distance between sanctuary and pulpit.

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What a close relationship there is between the existence of the Lady of Islam and the Night of Divine Decrees! Some of the points we can derive from this connection are as follows:

The Night of Divine Decrees – the disguised, unknown night of Qadr – is undoubtedly this great Lady, whom the Prophet would refer to as a part of his flesh and reckoned her pleasure to God’s pleasure, and her anger God’s anger. She is also the disguised and unknown meaning of Qadr.

The Night of Qadr is hidden among the nights of the year. The grave of the Lady of Islam is unknown among the graves of the great Personages of Islam.

The being of Fatima is also the source of luminosity of the guardianship and Imamat; divine knowledge and wisdom. The written Qur’an descended on the Night of Qadr, but Fatima is the one from whom 11 speaking Qur’ans (Qur’an-e-Natiq) have descended

 

https://www.al-islam.org/fatima-zahra-noble-quran-naser-makarem-shirazi/surah-al-qadr-night-ordainment-or-power#addendum-fatima-zahra-laylatul-qadr