Iran Missile/Drone Attacks on Terrorist Bases in Iraq, Syria, Pakistan

[Hasani Samnani]

2 minutes ago, Inspector said:

Look we have a totally different understanding

No brother I have read Mountbatten memoirs and know the history. I know which infantry and rifles regiments were divided and how. Which brigades were given tanks and were not. I saw how my ancestral land of Kashmir,  since it was the source of water for all the subcontinent and how it was divided. It was all very meticulous down to river beds and specific mountains and fields.

But you keep your Fantasies of A Paak land , with A Paak people while now your brothers and sisters are slaughtered by cow urine drinking vigilantes and pretend their deaths and the weakness of Indian Muslims was exactly was the best plan, just like Umar stealing the caliphate from Imam Ali was divinely planned.

[Inspector]

8 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

You used the word obliging which has the same meaning as compelling

Here are my words as yourself quoted:

8 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

One group (Ayatullah Khamenei) is obliging people from different countries, guiding them to pick up arms and either fight for them or on their behalf.

Obliging them doesn't mean compelling them or forcing them or either made upon them obligatory to pick up weapons, otherwise I would not use the word "guiding them". 

Obviously someone is guiding that's why there was an organisation banned in Pakistan who was recruiting volunteers for Zaynabiyoon or other groups.   

[Hasani Samnani]

All the great defenders of the great Paak land should try a thought experiment....

What if Pakistan had never broken off from India....for many diehard Pakis this is unbearable... but I will take you down this road....

First of all, instead if 200 mil in Pakistan and 170 million in Bangladesh,  you would have had 700 million In India. The Muslims would still have their strong holds including a Shia Ruler in Hyderabad, Shia stronghold in Lucknow,  Islam universities of Aligarh and Osmania University,  Muslim armies/Militias in the Islamic regions and princely states, control of Afghanistan and its mineral wealth. The Muslims would be running India and In the highest positions,  it would have gone back to the time of the recent Mughal Empire. The country would have been a superpower before China, and the Muslims could have been stronger and more powerful in their regions than any Hindus who were divided and rarely united. The Muslims on the other hand were the ruling class, agricultural landlords and the best businessman in the provinces and cities of India.

But better you got two dirt poor and resource poor rump states , with no cohesion no wealth and no standing armies.

Brilliant if you're a British tactician who want to make sure that Muslims never again form an Empire that threatened the British Empire and followed Islam.

 

Edited January 20 by Hasani Samnani

[Inspector]

13 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

No brother I have read Mountbatten memoirs and know the history.

Ok, so keep thinking that Mount Batten favored the Muslims of Indo-Pak region. For me, any good that reach to us is from God Almighty. And having a free and independent state for Muslims of sub continent is nothing but goodness. 

[Inspector]

5 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

What if Pakistan had never broken off from India.

I would rather prefer to live in reality than to think "if aunt had mustache she would be uncle".

Pakistan is a reality, an independent state, I am living in.  

[Abu Hadi]

7 minutes ago, Inspector said:

Here are my words as yourself quoted:

Obliging them doesn't mean compelling them or forcing them or either made upon them obligatory to pick up weapons, otherwise I would not use the word "guiding them". 

Obviously someone is guiding that's why there was an organisation banned in Pakistan who was recruiting volunteers for Zaynabiyoon or other groups.   

I don't want to go too deep into English grammar here because I know it's boring for most people but

I read and I think other people read that sentence to mean forcing them because of the way you used in the sentence, ie the primary verb in an independent clause. Anyway I think u should correct it to clear up any misunderstanding about what u meant

[Hasani Samnani]

22 minutes ago, Inspector said:

so keep thinking that Mount Batten favored the Muslims of Indo-Pak region.

Are you completely ignorant of how your own fake nation state came into being, OMG...have you read any history or just wing it and pretend you know how Pakistan came into being.

Mountbatten hated Muslims and he kept Pakistan weak and loped off Kashmir which was Muslim majority and gave it to India while blackmailing the ruler of Kashmir Hari Singh.

He kept all the weakest regiments on the Muslim side and gave the best Armed forces and Land to India.

You really need to open a history book before opening your mouth brother.

22 minutes ago, Inspector said:

And having a free and independent state for Muslims of sub continent is nothing but goodness. 

You think being a client state and servant of the AngloZionist is a dream come true hunh... 

Do you know in the 1965 war Pakistan was ready to Invade and conquer Delhi...guess who halted all spare parts for your aircraft and tanks , prevented petrol supplies from being delivered and saved the Indian Govt from total collapse... Richard Nixon....try reading his memoirs and learn some actual history. 

Listen it's obvious you know little to know history and only argue because you're born into a country that you had no control over, but you grew up thinking its great..  There is no point in arguing with people when the are ignorant of their own history and facts.

I don't want to pop your little fantasy bubble...keep drinking the Bhanng milk, heroin laced paan and keep dreaming that you're free and independent....all the time Inflation is killing people,  IMF rules you, your currency has tanked, your FDI Is getting smaller and people keep fleeing even risking drowning in the sea to get out....

Ok yes you're a completely free and independent country and the current economic,  political and religious state your country is in is exactly what Allah chose for you. 

By the way the East Pakistan West Pakistan formula and the way the land  division was decided was completely against what Jinnah wanted, did you at least read Qaid e Azam's memoirs or there too you're deficient.

 

Edited January 20 by Hasani Samnani

[Inspector]

56 minutes ago, Inspector said:

One group (Ayatullah Khamenei) is encouraging people from different countries, guiding them to pick up arms

I am fair, so I have edited my post. In the mean time I have just googled the meaning of obliging and here is what I found:

https://www.yourdictionary.com/obliging

[Inspector]

6 minutes ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Are you completely ignorant of how your own fake nation state came into being,

Why you are compelling me to give you a shut-up call? 

I cannot fall low at your level. So I am not going to respond you anymore.

[Inspector]

It is not the love of Iran alone here on this thread. The hate for Pakistan & Pakistani's can also be viewed right here. 

Let me tell all anti-Pakistan people here, if any English lord did mistake 75 years ago, even if you think Muhammad Ali Jinnah was a tout, a British agent and all the Muslim League were the puppet of Britishers, I being a true Pakistani Shia, try my level best to prove that the British Lord made a mistake. Pakistan is a free country not even a member of common wealth neither Pakistan's security is in the hands of these western powers. Pakistan's sovereignty is guaranteed by people of Pakistan and the armed forces of Pakistan.

Pakistan is a living reality, your hate will die & Pakistan will become prosperous more and more Insha Allah.  

[Hasani Samnani]

26 minutes ago, Inspector said:

Why you are compelling me to give you a shut-up call? 

I cannot fall low at your level. So I am not going to respond you anymore

Bro just try it...I will continue to  state facts that will embarrass the poor excuse for a state to which you have pledged allegiance. 

Let's talk about the brilliant AQ Khan, who invented the Pakistani Atom bomb. The one things all Pakis are always so proud of , as well they should be.

So did they treat this brilliant scientist and leader with respect and honour.....absolutely not because he wanted to share the technology with all muslims and have a true Islamic bomb and wanted parity with the west.

He did share with Iran, Iraq and Libya.... This is the kind of Muslim we should be, share benefits with all Muslims not try to hoard everything for yourself alone.

 Instead the vile Govt put him under house arrest until he died. The Vile Pakistani army followed the CIA orders,  as they alwys have and kept him secluded from his family and friends.

This brilliant man was thinking of the ummah but his govt was only thinking as a slave and puppet state.

There are brilliantly Pakistani People but really they are brilliant Muslims of the subcontinent....it's their bad luck they were born into country now known for corruption and illegal immigration.

I love the nation of Muslims of the of the subcontinent,  especially my Shia brothers, but the govts under  which they live whether India, Pakistan or Bangladesh, I rightfully Hate all three with a passion....since they have done only damage to the ummah as whole. 

Edited January 20 by Hasani Samnani

[Eddie Mecca]

5 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Our Imams kept their tongues and swords sheathed for preservation of deen

They're trying to conflate quietism with cronyism...the pure quietism of the Imams (a) was for perservation of the deen and not cronyism for cronyism's sake...the former argument is a Shizari tactic

[Eddie Mecca]

5 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Our Imams kept their tongues and swords sheathed for preservation of deen

They're trying to conflate quietism with cronyism...the pure quietism of the Imams (a) was for perservation of the deen and not cronyism for cronyism's sake...the former argument is a Shizari tactic

[Sabrejet]

2 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

All the great defenders of the great Paak land should try a thought experiment

And your tirade against the reason for Pakistan's existence is relevant to this thread how?

Go make a separate topic on this and peddle your misplaced anarchism in your own thread.

[King]

On 1/18/2024 at 4:38 PM, Abu Hadi said:

In a full scale war between  Iran and Pakistan (assuming it doesn't go nuclear and assuming no outside actors involved) it would be over in a few days and guess who would lose, it wouldn't be Iran. 

This is very a curious statement with no evidence to back it up.  What makes you say this? I am no fan of the Pakistani military but it is more battle tested and very capable.  Even without Nuclear weapons, by most measures it is far better equipped and more advanced. The Air force alone has access to higher generation jets with very capable fighter pilots. Same goes for missile systems with longer ranges.  Not to mention the Army with upgraded equipment and reserves of soldiers much larger than Iran.  This isn't Saudi Arabia with some ad hoc good equipment but no one to operate it. The biggest advantage Iran would have is potentially of better domestic production capacity in a very long drawn out war. 

It is commendable what Iran has been able to achieve especially with all the international sanctions but its more than a stretch to say they would defeat Pakistan in a few days.

Edited January 20 by King

[root]

On 1/20/2024 at 5:11 AM, King said:

It is not strange logic at all if you know anything about how international affairs work between nation states.

It is extremely naive to apply simplistic family analogies to these things. You cannot trust lunatics (every single government/military has them) to always keep their heads. It's even worse when it is a heavily armed nuclear entity.  There are anti Iran/Pakistan Baloch separatists that operate on both sides and the Balochi people have legitimate grievances against both governments but thats almost besides the point.

To provoke Pakistan like this was a careless mistake that very luckily hasn't had severe repercussions thus far.  I can guarantee Iran will not try this again in the foreseeable future, even if there is a greater threat from the so called terrorists in Pakistani Balochistan (We don't even know if they actually hit any).  Pakistan almost had to strike back, Iran would have done the same.  I really hope for everyones sake it stops here.

King is back with his expertise!! Welcome back man! ...you really think this was random or a deal between the countries? Pakistan has a lot of Baloochis who support the separatists, if they dealt with it themselves they would have to deal with them too. And Iran has good relationship with India, so it didn't want to take care of that problem itself. So a deal was made that we strike yours and you strike mine. Now be the king you are and talk about Iran not daring and Pakistan being tough and striking back, like it's highschool all over again.

Oh and by the way, i'll make sure to contact the embassy of Iran and give them an earfull, how dare they strike terrorists and not prove to the King and other civilians that they actually cross borders and are in Iran doing terrorist activities. Guess the next step is for the Rev guard to prove to you that all the kidnappings, bombings, behadings are not just imagination.

[Hasani Samnani]

5 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

And your tirade against the reason for Pakistan's existence is relevant to this thread how?

I seem to recall you being one of the great Paak defenders in this thread. 

it hurts to have your bubble burst   you're entitled to your paak land opinions you're just not entitled to your own facts.

 I was just showing the imbecility of blind slavish allegiance to this or any nation state. 

It was relevant because the slavish mentality some ignorant Shia Pakistanis have was gloatingly being displayed in saying how you guys were not Iraq or Syria and could not be walked on by Iran, try actually reading the thread. 

 However,  Paak shias attachment to a country which has openly become more wahabi and continues to be,  where the ritualized slaughter of Shia thru bombings,  targeted killing of Shia intelligentsia,  and Slaughters of Ziareen  during their travel is commonplace.

Where the Army you idiots are so quick to defend has never once helped any Shias from attack and has a clandestine agency which actively encourages the Shia butchering.

You guys are no different than patriotic Indian Muslims, who declare their loyalty and willingness to fight against Pakistan.

Pakistan is rapidly becoming a failed state which as part of a growing wahabi empire....is a good thing, maybe they'll realize they need their minorities to thrive instead of slaughtering them when convenient. 

But you folks keep your fake misplaced patriotism ....I just  hope you half boiled frogs have the sense to jump before getting burnt.

 

 

Edited January 21 by Hasani Samnani

[Sabrejet]

2 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

I seem to recall you being one of the great Paak defenders in this thread. 

it hurts to have your bubble burst   you're entitled to your paak land opinions you're just not entitled to your own facts.

 I was just showing the imbecility of blind slavish allegiance to this or any nation state. 

It was relevant because the slavish mentality some ignorant Shia Pakistanis have was gloatingly being displayed in saying how you guys were not Iraq or Syria and could not be walked on by Iran, try actually reading the thread. 

 However,  Paak shias attachment to a country which has openly become more wahabi and continues to be,  where the ritualized slaughter of Shia thru bombings,  targeted killing of Shia intelligentsia,  and Slaughters of Ziareen  during their travel is commonplace.

Where the Army you idiots are so quick to defend has never once helped any Shias from attack and has a clandestine agency which actively encourages the Shia butchering.

You guys are no different than patriotic Indian Muslims, who declare their loyalty and willingness to fight against Pakistan.

Pakistan is rapidly becoming a failed state which as part of a growing wahabi empire....is a good thing, maybe they'll realize they need their minorities to thrive instead of slaughtering them when convenient. 

But you folks keep your fake misplaced patriotism ....I just  hope you half boiled frogs have the sense to jump before getting burnt.

 

 

I would love to answer you in full, just not in this thread. If you, or someone, decides to make a thread on the futility of Pakistan or countries in general, I would be glad to.

Until then, we I have put relevant points in this thread, and you have replied to them. It's up to the readers now to make of that what they will.

[AbdusSibtayn]

10 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

The house slaves never recognize their own chains and try to ridicule and denigrate their fellow Shia.

Again this is the evil of the AngloZionist Empire and the Creation of fake nation states.

The Syrians and Iraqi Militias have heroically fought  Daesh and won with a lot of help from  the Quds force and the Master Strategies of Qasim Soliemani.

That's the kind of leaders  and Generals we should support , Not the corrupt AngloZionist bootlickers in Islamabad.

It is because Soliemani thought  and had a broader vision  ummah wide and not confined by Nation state blinders that Hezbullah, Hashd al Shaabi, Ketb Hezbullah, Ansarallah and Hamas are able to coordinate and strategize with each other which completely upends the  the AngloZionist imperialist plans and keep them unsuccessful so far recently.

Remember your enemies are united and disregard borders when they fight Muslims. The AngloZionist empire always shows a united front despite internal disagreements. Recently US Army Rangers and Delta force were killed during hostage rescue operations in Gaza.

 

All that I can say is that such namesake 'Shi'a' have gotten the very basics of the religion and its teachings wrong. What is the use of bandying around Quran and Hadith? 

Against all odds, those 'weak' Iraqi, Syrian and Afghan mujahidin have successfully beaten back the nasibi scum from razing our shrines to the ground and violating our womenfolk and parading them like cattle in the marketplaces. 

The 'evil Iranian interlopers' and their 'simps' like the Lebanese muqawamah have expended both men and money endlessly to this end. Their total number of martyrs exceeds the total number of prayers that these house-Shi'a have prayed throughout their lives. 

It's indeed cutely rich that in the house-Shi'a mental universe, it is perfectly valid to revile them and their leaders as they themselves cheer the people and the institutions which have helped the faajir apostate Aal Khalifa genocide the Shi'a in Bahrain, and as we speak, are helping the najis nasibi scum Aal Saud genocide the Yemenis. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) compensate them handsomely for their house-Shi'ism. 

I am not a very hardcore Baseeji WF mutlaq loyalist myself. Nor do I suffer from ethno-linguistic dysphoria and LARP as an Iranian wannabe- I have no reason to. But taking a dump on your mu'min brothers while simping for the hired hitmen of nawasib and harbi kuffar is puke-worthy behaviour. 

[Inspector]

So it is Iran & Iran alone who is taking care of Shias of the world. This is yet another what I must say "khush fehmi". 

And all this scum i.e., Pakistan is evil, terrorist state, fake state, fake nation, evildoers, Iran's right to strike anywhere, had not there be Iran nasibi's would have paraded our womenfolk in the markets etc coming out from the minds just because some people are condemning Iran's wrong action and the accusations of people against Pakistan. 

Great!! I thought we are under the care of our Imam e Zamana (ajtf). But we here concluding that had there not been Iran, shias of the world would have ruined and become extinct. 

Why not see the history of 45 years old Islamic revolution of Islamic republic, from its beginning, it became the target of evil powers. People of Pakistan & Afghanistan are the ones who fought along with the Iranian brothers against Saddam's regime. How many Pakistani's embraced martyrdom in Iran-Iraq war, perhaps no one knows. My own uncle, a doctor, served 10 years in Iran during that war. He migrated to Iran after completed his MBBS in 1981 and came back to Pakistan in 1991. How evil was he to go there and tried to help his brothers and tried to present his services for protecting the Islamic revolution!

You have no idea perhaps, how many people from this fake & corrupt nation will rise up on a single call of Ayatullah Khamenei! 

Please don't make us fear of the Nasibi's. We don't really fear them at all. With or without Iran, we are able to counter them. Don't make us an Iran worshipper. We love Iran, we respect Iran & its great Scholars, many of us are under the taqleed of those great Scholars.

Hazara's of Balochistan, Pashtoons of Kurram Agency, Parachinar, People living in Punjab & Sind, can take care of themselves. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

19 hours ago, Inspector said:

This is Uzair Baloch's entry document to Dubai

Salam at top it's evias for entering to UAE which if someone in self expression says that has Iranian nationality  so then it doesn't mean he has  Iranian passport which also such terrorists are doing anything for defaming Iran also only few Afghans have gained Iranian citizenship which majority of them have a separate identity card which they call themselves as Iranians due to longtime living in Iran & born of their children in Iran which these type of Afghans never join to a seperatist or terrorist group but sometimes wahabi afghans for going to other places travel to iran for a too short time so then travel to other country in order to defame Iran   .

Edited January 21 by Ashvazdanghe

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 1/20/2024 at 6:32 AM, Inspector said:

Many target killers in Pakistan are being handled by people in Iran. Many are captured, their cell phone data showed calls & whatsapp messages from Iran. Their travel history revealed their visits of Iran as well as Syria. Some are even present in Syria & Iran hiding there. 

@Ashvazdanghe please stop portraying Iran as totally innocent country. Your agencies are operating within Pakistan and Iran has a very strong network in Pakistan, even within Pak Army.

 

Salam  a professional agent never keeps history of such data in his cellphone which traveling to Iran & Syria is common for many Pakistani Shias  which ISI considers any Pakistani shia who travels from Pakistan to Iran & Syria as an agent of Iran because their cell phones are full of data about traveling to Iran & Syria and making call from there & keeping travel history likewise images & videos from their travels for pilgrimage but on the other hand a professional agent will use a clear cellphone from any data & with a safe Pakistani number or a satellite phone not a common cellphone which is full of data about traveling to Iran & Syria .

@Inspector I have not denied existence of Iranian agents in Pakistan which in similar fashion Pakistan has it's agaents in Iran but on the other hand I have rejected your nonsense about cooperation of Iran with Baluch separatists according fake information of ISI.

[Sabrejet]

12 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Are you completely ignorant of how your own fake nation state came into being, OMG...have you read any history or just wing it and pretend you know how Pakistan came into being.

The only one going on ignorant rants in this thread is you. How about you sock it, and start a thread on this topic? I assure you it won't go as smoothly as planned for you.

You still haven't answered why Imam Reza ((عليه السلام)) accepted, albeit reluctantly, the position of being heir-apparent to Ma'mun (L.A).

[Ashvazdanghe]

17 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

I don't give blind loyalties to Iran, they are guilty of many things against Muslims  and the one I blame them for the most is not helping train and arm Pakistani Shia as they have done in Iraq and Lebanon.

Salam accusing Iran to doing things against muslims  is similar to wahabi accusation against defenders of shrine which surly Iran has trained & armed both of Afghans & Pakistanis for fighting with wahabi terrorists & daesh members & defending holy shrines in Iraq & Syria but news about training Pakistani Shias have not spread because of their family members in Pakistan  would face many difficulties due to arresting by ISI & attaking of wahabi terrorist groups to their family members in Pakistan so therefore Shia Pakistani fighters have kept  everything as a secret .

note:  wahabi terrorist & their sympathizers  have accused Iran & shia fighters from Pakistan & afghanistan to killing muslims which according to wahbis only type of muslims are themselves which shias are not muslims according to them .

 

 

Edited January 21 by Ashvazdanghe

[Ashvazdanghe]

2 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

You still haven't answered why Imam Reza ((عليه السلام)) accepted, albeit reluctantly, the position of being heir-apparent to Ma'mun (L.A).

Salam , Imam Reza (عليه السلام) has not accepted it by his free will which cursed Mamun threaten him that he will kill Imam , if he doesn't accept it so therefore  Imam Reza(عليه السلام) has accepted by condition that , it if he won't do anything so therefore Imam Reza(عليه السلام)  only has received title without having any responsibility toward Abbasid government .

 

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At this time, al-Ma'mun said something threatening: "'Umar b. al-Khattab put the council among six people, one of whom was your forefather Amir al-Mu'minin 'Ali b. Abi Talib (a) and made this rule that if anyone of them opposed, he would be beheaded. There is no choice except that you accept what we want you and I see no escape from it."

Imam (a) said, "So, I accept only if I do not give command and do not prohibit, I neither give Fatwa, nor do I judge, I neither assign anyone to any task, nor do I change anything's position."

 

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When al-Ma'mun was criticized by Hamid b. Mihran and some other Abbasids why he gave Imam al-Rida (a) the position of princehood, he answered them, "This man was hidden from our eyes. He calls people to himself. Therefore, I wanted him to become our crown prince so that all the people he (a) attracts to himself would be in our favor."

 

 

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Imam al-Rida (a) knew about al-Ma'mun's intention and told him, "you want that people say, 'Ali b. Musa (a) is not uninterested in the world and leadership, but it is the world which is uninterested in him. Do not you see how he (a) has accepted to become the crown prince greedy for caliphate?". He (a) answered those who asked him why he (a) accepted to be the prince, "I accepted that unwillingly and under pressure." The conditions Imam al-Rida (a) declared mentioned for accepting this position were in fact his withdrawal from cooperation in the government of al-Ma'mun, because Imam (a) said that he (a) neither would assign anyone to work, nor would depose anyone; he neither would break a custom, nor would he change anything in the current situation. Even with all the conditions, soon Abbasids rose against al-Ma'mun in Baghdad and gave allegiance to Ibrahim al-Mahdi. On the other hand, Alawis knew that al-Ma'mun did not do this out of faith. Rebellion broke out again and al-Ma'mun had no choice to remove Imam (a).

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_Ali_b._Musa_al-Rida_(a)

2.Reasons for acceptance of succesorship by Imam Reza ((عليه السلام).)

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Regarding the reason for accepting the crown position by Imam Reza ((عليه السلام).), several reasons can be mentioned:

2- 1. Compulsion to accept

As it was said, Ma'mun offered Imam Reza ((عليه السلام).) first the caliphate and then the succesorship offer; His Holiness did not accept both proposals...............

........Imam ((عليه السلام).) mentioned this matter in response to Ibn Arafa. He asked the Imam ((عليه السلام).): Why did you accept being  crown prince? And he heard the answer: with the same motivation that forced my ancestor Imam Ali ((عليه السلام).) to enter the (six-person) council.[15]

2- 2. Confirming the presence of the Prophet's family in the government

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One of the reasons for the acceptance of the covenantal governorship was that the people would find the family of the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) present in the political scene and not leave it to the hands of oblivion, and also not to think that they - as it was spread - are the only scholars and jurists who in practice never serve the cause of the nation. 

In addition, in the eyes of the people, Ma'mun's signing of the Imam's ruling was a tacit acknowledgment that the Alawites are worthy of government and not him or the other Abbasids!

https://www.islamquest.net/fa/archive/fa106515

[Ashvazdanghe]

Why will Pakistan never go to war with Iran?
It is enough to consider the position of the spokesperson of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan, who said: We have not had sovereignty over the areas where Iran has launched missile attacks for many years. Isn't this kind of stance a sign of tacit acknowledgment of Iran's right in recent missile operations and dealing with Takfiri terrorists?

According to ISNA, Alireza Taghavinia, an expert on West Asian issues, wrote in a telegram note:

Why will Pakistan never go to war with Iran?

1- Iran and Pakistan are two friendly countries and have common historical, cultural and linguistic roots.

2- The popularity of the Islamic Republic and its leaders in Pakistan is such that during Saddam's 8-year war against Iran, 500,000 Pakistanis volunteered to fight against the Baath army.

3- Iran has fully supported Pakistan's position regarding the issue of Kashmir since the beginning of the revolution and the establishment of the Islamic Republic and continues to do so.

4- In the east of Pakistan, there is a great enemy with nuclear power called India, and as a result, Pakistan is forced to rely on its western neighbor, Iran, and accept it as its strategic depth.
Afghanistan cannot play this role due to various variables.

5- Border and commercial relations between the two countries and membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization have led to the sharing of interests between Tehran and Islamabad.

6- The military relations between the two countries are at a very high level to the extent that, at the same time as the IRGC's missile operation against Jaish al-Adl terrorists, the navies of the Iranian and Pakistani armies held a joint military exercise.

7- Pakistan needs Iran in spite of the many differences of interests in the issue of Afghanistan.

And there are many other reasons that prevent the writer from writing them.

The purpose of adding this fee is to respond to anonymous channels and fake news that advertise as if Pakistan's attack on Iran will be carried out in the next few hours.

It is enough to consider the position of the spokesman of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan, who said: We have not had sovereignty over the areas where Iran has launched missile attacks for many years. Isn't this kind of stance a sign of tacit acknowledgment of Iran's right in recent missile operations and dealing with Takfiri terrorists?

https://www.isna.ir/news/1402102820088/چرا-پاکستان-هیچگاه-وارد-جنگ-با-ایران-نخواهد-شد

[Abu Hadi]

On 1/20/2024 at 2:31 PM, Hasani Samnani said:

Are you completely ignorant of how your own fake nation state came into being, OMG...have you read any history or just wing it and pretend you know how Pakistan came into being.

Mountbatten hated Muslims and he kept Pakistan weak and loped off Kashmir which was Muslim majority and gave it to India while blackmailing the ruler of Kashmir Hari Singh.

He kept all the weakest regiments on the Muslim side and gave the best Armed forces and Land to India.

You really need to open a history book before opening your mouth brother.

You think being a client state and servant of the AngloZionist is a dream come true hunh... 

Do you know in the 1965 war Pakistan was ready to Invade and conquer Delhi...guess who halted all spare parts for your aircraft and tanks , prevented petrol supplies from being delivered and saved the Indian Govt from total collapse... Richard Nixon....try reading his memoirs and learn some actual history. 

Listen it's obvious you know little to know history and only argue because you're born into a country that you had no control over, but you grew up thinking its great..  There is no point in arguing with people when the are ignorant of their own history and facts.

I don't want to pop your little fantasy bubble...keep drinking the Bhanng milk, heroin laced paan and keep dreaming that you're free and independent....all the time Inflation is killing people,  IMF rules you, your currency has tanked, your FDI Is getting smaller and people keep fleeing even risking drowning in the sea to get out....

Ok yes you're a completely free and independent country and the current economic,  political and religious state your country is in is exactly what Allah chose for you. 

By the way the East Pakistan West Pakistan formula and the way the land  division was decided was completely against what Jinnah wanted, did you at least read Qaid e Azam's memoirs or there too you're deficient.

 

I am not Pakistani and I have never been to Pakistan. I almost did a few times, because I work with a charity organization that does projects there. It was cancelled at the last minute. Anyway, 

I have lived in several major cities in the US. All of them have very large Pakistani diaspora communities. Most have come within the last 30 years. When they talk about Pakistan, they talk about it nostalgically, because everyone has a nostalgic attachment to the place where they grew up, but they also talk about the issues that were raised by your posts and other posts. Almost universally, they say 'We are Pakistani and wanted to stay in our home country but...'

After the but it is almost always, 'We couldn't make a living there' or 'We feared for our safety and the safety of our families'. I was thinking this is probably a real concern / fear if it caused you to flee to the other side of the world to get away from it. The ones that I knew, most of them were educated, university degrees, doctors, etc and most of them were Shia although i also met quite a few Sunnis. 

So you don't need to be Pakistani to see what the problem is. The US is going down this same road, btw, but is not as far down it as Pakistan. You get a corrupt government that is maintained and supported by the very wealthy for their own interests only. In the case of Pakistan, it is the very wealthy who maintain their power by controlling the opium trade, human trafficking trade, taxes on goods coming in thru the port, and stealing foreign aid. In the US, it is more complicated but basically the same model of the wealthy and government officials setting up the business and financial structure to benefit themselves only. They get more and more wealthy, and the people outside of that network get poorer and poorer. This is the system of injustice that most of us live under in some form or another. We need to acknowledge it before we can change it. 

BTW, this is the main reason why the US government supports the Israeli government unconditionally while almost all of the people in the US either don't support this policy or are unaware of it. Many are starting to now become aware of it because of what has been going on recently. This scares the hell out of the US Govt and it has been leaking out in various ways. 

The reason is because Zionists Jews, while they don't control everything in the US control two very important and vital parts of the system here. The financial system (banks, finance companies, etc) and the mainstream media. The mainstream media is becoming less important, although they still control it, because of social media and the diversification of information sources. The financial system, however, is the heart of the US system of global power. It is because of this 'economic engine' that most people in the US have disposable income, much of which goes to the government in taxes. It is this tax money that they use to bribe and control foreign governments which maintains US hegemony at the global level. This is all dependent on the financial system continuing to function. 

The US Govt knows that the Zionists, if they wanted to, could make a few phone calls and the US financial system would collapse overnight, causing a panic, bank runs, etc, collapse in the tax base, etc. The politicians know that if this happened 'on their watch' they would all lose their political power and their careers would be over. Whether the Zionists would do this or not is up for debate but just the threat of doing this keeps the politicians 'in line' and that is why they will never challenge the Zionist government in Israel. This corruption is now evident for everyone to see. 

The reason why I said 'whether they would do this or not' is because if they did this they would either severely harm themselves or destroy themselves in the process since the act of continuing to keep this economic engine running is where they derive their own power from. 

Edited January 24 by Abu Hadi

[The Green Knight]

8 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

I am not Pakistani and I have never been to Pakistan. I almost did a few times, because I work with a charity organization that does projects there. It was cancelled at the last minute.

Good for you bro. If the terrorists don't get you (a white, Shia man!?) all the crooks will, and almost everyone here is a crook and proud to be one. The bigger crooks they are the more proud they are.

Pakistan has been harboring special, western owned terrorists at its border with Iran since quite a long time. Its banks do not trade with Irani banks since over a decade. Its a country of munafiqs. Please do not call it Sunni, it has very little to do with Islam in practice.

The reality behind Pakistani retaliation to Iranian attack of the terrorist camps it harbors is that right now, since 2022, Pakistan has become a fanatical puppet of the US/UK once again and has been committing the gravest crimes against humanity since the western backed regime change in 2022. Essentially a fascist state run by its army. They have been supplying Israel with locally produced howitzer and other artillery ammo. It has no working judiciary, no humanity, nothing left, just a shell serving USA like Ukraine. I was afraid they would sick it on China or some other neighbor. So when Iran started battling the western/zionist forces the local leader Gen Asim Muneer (aka Hafiz Whiskey) was signaled to join the fray in service of its western masters.

Pakistan is just a glove worn by the west. It is never going to get salvaged from the situation it has entered. May it disintegrate ASAP and peacefully.

[root]

If the Zionist agenda was to cause nifaq Among Pakistanis and Iranians, they sure were successful on this one. Some of you guys should seriously do some self reflection.......or check your synapses. 

[Inspector]

On 1/22/2024 at 1:50 AM, The Green Knight said:

Its a country of munafiqs

Where were you born brother? Where your parents & rest of the family lives? 

When people like you start getting out of their pajama's, you forgot much about your own. It appears that word like "respect" is not in your dictionary. 

Disgusting indeed!

[Hasani Samnani]

11 hours ago, Inspector said:

When people like you start getting out of their pajama's, you forgot much about your own. 

Bro get out of the AngloZionist slave mentality.

You have not responded to one fact with any rebuttal regarding corruption, crime, Shia murder and slaughters, killing of Ziareen on their way to Ziarat, horrible economy, wahabi extremism on the rise, Army and Navy munafiqueen who support Israel and send them ammunition  and  plan against the brave Ansarallah of Yemen,  Munafiqueen when it comes to Kashmir issue, or sponsoring cross border attacks on your neighbors. Prove something shockingly positive about Pakistan for Shias.

You’re like a ostrich with its head buried deep in the sand , and when @The Green Knight, @Abu Hadi, myself  or even @Ashvazdanghe make factual points you just deflect with ad hominem attacks (a sign of having no legitimate arguments).

You're a loyal Pakistani because you were born there, no other reason. That's sad and pathetic. Stop being like the ant sitting on a mound of cow droppings , claiming he is the king of a great hill.

Try to leave the prison of your minds making, that's based on fake British derived fake countries.

You can be proud of being from the subcontinent,  or your local area or family, or tribe,   because those are real attributes. Not fake borders which even the Muslim league or great leaders like Qaide Azam didn't want , but had no choice to accept.

The fake countries were setup by the Masters of the Divide and Conquer British, to keep Muslims divided from each other and make them proud of fake flags and fake nationalism, which is against Islamic Principle of unity of the Muslim Ummah. ( Is this not obvious to you?) 

When you attack others based on fake national borders, you only make the AngloZionazis happy. What they hate to see is cooperation and admiration and unity among the Shia, and even among Shia and real Sunnis (who love the AhlulBayt) 

Do you think Imam Mahdi will be happy you're from Pakistan or he will be sad to see his followers being slaughtered in the country you're so proud of.

Edited January 23 by Hasani Samnani

[Diaz]

Shias should always stand with each other no matter what political party (as long as it’s not a Zionist p.p), nationality, marja, race etc they follow or from. Remember Zionists see us as a threat. 

[Sabrejet]

20 hours ago, root said:

If the Zionist agenda was to cause nifaq

If.

[root]

4 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

If.

8 pages of text, and this is what your neurons picked up?

[Inspector]

9 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

You're a loyal Pakistani because you were born there, no other reason. That's sad and pathetic.

I am a loyal Pakistani just because I have condemned Iranian aggression on Pakistan. So this fact alone has turned me into a munafiq living in a munafiq State. That's sad and more pathetic. 

You have no furqaan whatsoever and low in ikhlaaq as well. So have valid reasons to not respond to your stupid questions.

9 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Bro get out of the AngloZionist slave mentality

And you are representing an Iranian slave mentality. Perhaps you want me to launch same accusations of these sort against you.

9 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Do you think Imam Mahdi will be happy you're from Pakistan or he will be sad to see his followers being slaughtered in the country you're so proud of.

Perhaps you think that Imam Mehdi ajtf will be happy to see you calling me a munafiq who is living in a munafiq state. 

That's pathetic! No rationality whatsoever has been put forward by you to justify Iranian aggression on Pakistan. And that is the only thing I have condemned.