Palestine - Post Conflict Scenarios

[Haji 2003]

Seems like business as usual for some people

This is what got us into this mess in the first place (my bold).

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In recent weeks, McGurk has been pitching national security officials on a plan suggesting an approximately 90-day timeline for what should happen once active fighting in Gaza ends, three U.S. officials said. It argues that stability can be achieved in the devastated Palestinian region if American, Israeli, Palestinian and Saudi officials launch an urgent diplomatic effort that prioritizes the establishment of Israel-Saudi ties, the officials continued. Such a development is widely referred to as “normalization,” given Saudi Arabia’s refusal to recognize Israel since its founding in 1948.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/biden-saudi-israel-gaza-brett-mcgurk_n_65a19ee2e4b07bd6950cd152

 

The following is entirely right in my opinion:

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There is a widespread belief that similar U.S.-led deals that involved Israel and other regional Arab governments — and that downplayed Palestinian concerns — have fueled anger and violence, including the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas and other Palestinian militants inside Israel.

 

This is absolutely key to understanding a lot of things:

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McGurk has long focused on relations with Saudi Arabia, arguing for Biden to treat a Saudi-Israel agreement as a major international success that could be useful for his reelection bid.

He was instrumental in organizing Biden’s controversial 2022 trip to Saudi Arabia, and his policy shift away from his campaign trail pledge to treat the kingdom as a “pariah.” McGurk previously worked on Middle East issues under Trump, who promoted his set of agreements between Arab states and Israel — the so-called Abraham Accords — as one of his biggest triumphs.

 

 

1. It's all about Biden's re-election prospects and nothing about long term peace and stability.
2. It seems as if this policy has momentum regardless of who is in power - so much for democracy.

 

[Haji 2003]

Ami Ayalon's view

ex-head of Shin Bet - but he admits it is an unpopular view

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A former leader of the Shin Bet domestic security force has said Israel will not have security until Palestinians have their own state, and Israeli authorities should release Marwan Barghouti, jailed leader of the second intifada, to direct negotiations to create one.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/14/shin-bet-ami-ayalon-calls-on-israel-release-intifada-leader-marwan-barghouti

 

He also says:

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“We Israelis will have security only when they, Palestinians, will have hope. This is the equation,” he said in an interview at his home. “To say the same in military language: you cannot deter anyone, a person or a group, if he believes he has nothing to lose.”

 

[Haji 2003]

Let me tell you what will happen

1. The weak Arab states will offer the max that they can - full normalisation
   1. This means that Israelis will be able to buy land and businesses in Arab countries
2. As on previous occasions the Palestinians won't get the cake that they are after they'll get:
   1. some of the ingredients.
   2. they'll be told they'll get the rest, 'if they behave themselves'
   3. they'll still not get the control over their land that you would expect for a state

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When Saudi foreign minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan was asked on Tuesday if Riyadh would recognise Israel as part of a wider political agreement, he said “certainly”. “We agree that regional peace includes peace for Israel, but that could only happen through peace for the Palestinians through a Palestinian state,” he told a panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos.

https://www.ft.com/content/11890426-0250-4a3c-ba48-d8523924eb9c

[Diaz]

38 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

weak Arab states

Like who?

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

Let me tell you what will happen

1. The weak Arab states will offer the max that they can - full normalisation
   1. This means that Israelis will be able to buy land and businesses in Arab countries
2. As on previous occasions the Palestinians won't get the cake that they are after they'll get:
   1. some of the ingredients.
   2. they'll be told they'll get the rest, 'if they behave themselves'
   3. they'll still not get the control over their land that you would expect for a state

https://www.ft.com/content/11890426-0250-4a3c-ba48-d8523924eb9c

OR I have a feeling that the Likud hardliners could outmanoeuvre Netanyahu and it could end up as a 67 War repeat- them keeping all their military gains with permanent IOF presence on the Gaza Strip, more military bases, and tighter control over the Red Sea route (with Egyptian cooperation, of course) on the pretext of neutralizing Hamas, and the normalizers agreeing to all of this merely in exchange of a ceasefire. 

It's the pendulum swinging to the other extreme, but I think it is a possibility. 

Edited January 18, 2024 by AbdusSibtayn

[Haji 2003]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

Like who?

Saudi, UAE, Egypt & Jordan.

[Diaz]

55 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Saudi, UAE, Egypt & Jordan.

Can’t handle this 4 useless countries. I hope their regime fall.

[Diaz]

Top 5 arab countries that import goods from israhell

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/C2QYGaULDWs/?igsh=cXEycTZreTFpcDRp

[Quran313]

Palestinians will take back their country.

[Haji 2003]

Since today's extremist rhetoric becomes tomorrow's reality ...

Obviously it's not just rhetoric, when you destroy all the infrastructure you create a new reality.

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Far-right Israeli ministers and ministers belonging to Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party have attended a conference on the resettlement of Gaza, at which the national security minister Itamar Ben Gvir said Israelis needed “to find a legal way to voluntarily emigrate [Palestinians],” Haaretz newspaper has reported.

The conference held in Jerusalem on Sunday was attended by thousands of people including finance minister Bezalel Smotrich as well as other members of the Knesset and coalition government, rabbis, settlement activists and families of soldiers fighting in Gaza.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jan/28/middle-east-crisis-live-israel-gaza-hamas-us-negotiations-hostages-fighting

[Haji 2003]

Given a toss-up between the settler vision of the future and a Western one - I think the former will win out

otherwise westerners will fear being labelled anti-semitic. Also the Israeli strategy of levelling Gaza makes more sense if their objective all along was not necessarily to eliminate Hamas but to expel Palestinians.

To capture a place you don't need to do so physically, you simply make it uninhabitable for the current population.

After all if the Palestinians leave Gaza, what's the point of Hamas defending the place, no matter how good the tunnels are and their defence strategy?

 

[Haji 2003]

This would be a disaster

It's been the same stupid formula since 1948. The following sounds nice if you read it quickly. But of you pay attention you'll see that the Israelis get normalisation now. The Palestinians only get a "time-bound path" and you can be guaranteed that some excuse or other will be used to slow down / stop travel down that path.

 

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“There’s a very powerful path that we can see before us to actually get to lasting peace and security and its coming ever more sharply into focus,” Blinken said. “An Israel that is integrated into the region with security guarantees from its neighbours and partners alongside a practical time-bound irreversible path to a Palestinian state.”

https://www.ft.com/content/9cc5f04e-8593-44b7-8415-f866c541cab7

[Haji 2003]

Let's see how this ages over time

[Haji 2003]

Interesting piece in the FT - covering issues I've not seen elsewhere in MSM

in summary, various private Emiratis are unhappy about doing business with Israelis, but the government is still keen, and various projects are continuing as before with the UAE government wanting to develop the relationship regardless of whatever happens in Gaza.

This is not an equilibrium in my opinion.

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The Israel-Hamas war has now chilled nascent prospects of Emirati private businesses doing deals with Israeli companies because of the simmering fury among merchant families — many of whom were already wary of dealing with Israelis — over the destruction in Gaza.

https://www.ft.com/content/94143567-2815-48ce-9ada-ed40f969e705

 

On the other hand:

 

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Arik Shtilman, chief executive officer of the Israeli-founded financial technology company Rapyd, which has about 100 employees in the UAE, said the war’s impact on his business was “literally nonexistent”.

 

[Haji 2003]

Israel co-opting other Arab states to 'deradicalise' Palestinians

One-page document released by Netanyahu.

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The document said Israel intends to choose who is allowed to lead Gaza’s reconstruction, and will embark on a “comprehensive deradicalisation programme in all religious education and social institutions in the Gaza Strip, done with involvement and assistance of Arab states”.

https://www.ft.com/content/063495e8-645c-4cec-8b8e-290fdc32044f

[Guest Psi]

What I don't understand is that why is the Land of Israel referred to as the name after their sworn enemy The Philistines.

https://www.thejewishstar.com/stories/heres-how-the-palestinians-got-their-name,22410

Historically speaking, the land Palestine or Falastin in Arabic is used when the Romans conquered Israel during 2nd century CE and to rub salt on the wounds of the Jewish people and Israelites as a whole they named the land Israel after their sworn enemy The Philistines. Goliath aka Jalut in Arabic is from Philistine. You know the whole David (عليه السلام) vs Goliath. The Quran mentions the land of Israel several times and is acknowledged as the land of the Israelites. Originally the land was known as Canaan long before both Israel and Palestine.

Wouldn't this be equivalent to naming Al-Hejaz of Arabia after the sworn tribal enemy of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) Al-Ummayah?

Didn't Jews also bought the land in Palestine around the 1880s before the British Mandate from 1920 - 1948?

Apparently I've heard some pretty bold claims from those who support Zionism saying that DNA testing is illegal in Israel due to the Jews surviving a genocide by the Nazis who used genetic tests to identify them for extermination and this somehow is perfectly sensible. You can already tell how beyond flawed this claim is, but for the sake of argument people at this day and age wouldn't be Nazis to simply identify through DNA tests whether those Zionist Jews who migrated from Europe to Palestine really are Jews by blood as in they are from the Tribe of Judah.

[In Gods Name]

 

[Haji 2003]

 

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US port to be used in depopulation of Gaza? "The floating port off the shores of Gaza is a humanitarian facade hiding voluntary migration to Europe." — Hisham Khreisat The U.S. asserts that the port's purpose is to support humanitarian aid efforts. However, leaked Israeli plans suggest it could also serve as a tool for ethnic cleansing in Gaza. According to Hisham Khreisat, a Jordanian expert in military and strategic affairs, the true intention behind the port's construction is to facilitate the deportation of Gaza's population by sea.

https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1767264414275715144

 

[Haji 2003]

 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 5/1/2024 at 7:16 PM, Haji 2003 said:

 

 

Salam this is likewise curing a cancer patient with painkiller which this is just a void promise from a Potus who his fate in coming election is unknown ; which if his opponents likewise Trump will behave in opposition of him by expelling current Palestinian citizens of America which even Biden  will be chosen again certainly he will break his promise due to common policy of breaking any deal by all governments of America in similar fashion of breaking JCPOA deal with Iran ; also currently some of retired Palestinians with American citizenship   have returned to Palestine to revive their inherited lands which now rogue zionist Israel is trying  to steal their lands again by sending them back to America with empty hands & a failed retirement plan for Palestinian origin people who already have  citizenship of America  .

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 2/23/2024 at 9:44 PM, Guest Psi said:

The Quran mentions the land of Israel several times and is acknowledged as the land of the Israelites. Originally the land was known as Canaan long before both Israel and Palestine.

Salam in holy Quran  name of Canaan has not  been mentioned which also name of Israel is just about referring to Bani (sons of ) Israel who have been descenants of 12 sons of prophet Jacob or Yaʿqūb (Arabic: یَعْقوب) or Israel  (عليه السلام) without mentioning their motherland which even promised land of Jews after leaving Egypt in holy Quran has no specific name or location .

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Jacob_(a)

On 2/23/2024 at 9:44 PM, Guest Psi said:

Wouldn't this be equivalent to naming Al-Hejaz of Arabia after the sworn tribal enemy of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) Al-Ummayah?

This name has been  given to Hijaz by brute force dictation of Colonizer Britain while still it's origin name is "Hijaz" which in similar fashion name of Israel has been given to occupied Palestine by brute force dictation of Colonizer Britain to UN .

On 2/23/2024 at 9:44 PM, Guest Psi said:

Didn't Jews also bought the land in Palestine around the 1880s before the British Mandate from 1920 - 1948?

Jews only have bought between 1.2 -4.6 percent of whole lands of Palestine which until 1948 only around one (1) percent of lands have been sold directly by Palestinians to Jews which rest of 3.6 percent of lands have been governmental lands or lands non-Palestinian feudals which also some so called muslims as British agents from other countries have bought lands by funding of Britain so then they handed lands to Britain so then Britain handed it to Jews which whole of sold lands have not been more than 4.6 percent of whole lands of Palestine . 

According to the writing of Al-Zaytouna Study Center, the noteworthy point is that the Jews did not buy these lands from the Palestinian nation; The concrete facts show that the lands occupied by the Zionists were either government lands that Britain gave to the Jews or sold to them through non-Palestinian feudal owners who were living abroad who were not allowed to enter this area. The government of Palestine was given to the Jews without receiving any fee and another 200 thousand dunams of land with a show fee. In 1869, when the Ottoman Empire had to sell government lands to fill its coffers, some wealthy Lebanese families bought them, and this was another aspect of the signs of a disaster for the Palestinian nation.

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According to the information of Al-Zaytoune Study Center, after that, the Zionists started to build settlements in the Palestinian areas during the Ottoman Empire, and of course, the resistance of the Palestinians against these actions was formed from the very beginning. At that time, Palestinian scholars and their representatives in the Ottoman Empire, as well as Palestinian journalists, warned about the danger of Zionist settlement in this country; But the corruption in the Ottoman administrative system and the weaknesses in this field caused the Zionist Jews to fraudulently buy a large part of the Palestinian lands.

Al-Zaytoune adds: After the fall of "Sultan Abdul Hamid", the 34th Sultan and Caliph of the Ottoman Empire in 1909, and dominance of the "Unity and Progress" party over this empire, and at the same time as the influence of the Zionist Jews into this party, the process of buying land and the immigration of Jews to Palestine was done more easily. At the end of the Ottoman Empire period in 1918, the Jews bought 420 thousand dunums (1.5%) of the Palestinian lands, which they bought from the feudal owners of Lebanon or the Ottoman Empire, which auctioned the lands of those Palestinian farmers who were unable to pay taxes ; have been  dominated .

According to Al-Zaytoune Study Center, Zionist Jews bought 93% of Palestinian lands in this way; However, due to the small population of Jewish residents in this land, the establishment of a Zionist regime in the shadow of the Ottoman Muslim state was impossible, and the Zionists were not considered a serious threat to the Palestinian nation.

Al-Zaytoune has mentioned: But when Palestine was under the British colonial rule from 1917 to 1948, it became clear that this country had come to implement the Zionist project and establish a state for the Jewish people in Palestine. The British used extreme colonialism and oppression to implement this project in Palestine. The Palestinian national movement resisted the settlement of Jews with all its political, media and protest tools, and several revolutions and rebellions were formed in this direction, and despite having global facilities, the Zionists were only able to Occupy 1.2 to 4.6 percent of the Palestine land during the British colonial period. 

 

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Al-Zayouna noted: Feudal lords outside of Palestine bought a total of 625 thousand dunums of land in this country, and this disaster was repeated by selling 120 thousand dunums of northern Palestinian lands to the wealthy Lebanese which displaced 15 thousand Palestinians. About 55.5% of the Palestinian agricultural land occupied by the Jews was sold to them through feudal lords outside Palestine (Lebanese and Syrian families) during the period 1920 to 1936.

According to Al-Zayounah, of course, the responsibility for the occupation of the Jews in Palestine cannot be attributed to these non-Palestinian owners; Because the British authorities did not allow them to enter Palestine and invest in their lands under the pretext that they are foreigners.

However, the total amount of land that the Palestinians themselves sold to the Jews during the British colonial period was about 260 thousand dunums, which is less than 1 percent of the Palestinian land, which was sold due to the harsh conditions that the British colonial government imposed on the Palestinian farmers and the confiscation of their land.

Al-Zayouna clarified: Of course, some Palestinians were also tempted and sold their lands due to material benefits, which of course is not surprising; Because all over the world, whether among Arabs or non-Arabs, there are always a few who are motivated by material temptations. But the unfortunate thing about the Palestinians is that this small group caused the entire Palestinian nation a great calamity and put them in front of various conspiracies of partition and terror, etc., especially during the great Arab revolution in 1936 to 1939.

Al-Zaytouna reported: However, the amount of land that the Jews took from the Palestinians did not exceed 1 percent until 1948, which shows how far the Palestinians stood to defend their homeland, sovereignty, and land against the Zionist invaders.

Palestinian resistance to the plot to sell land to Jews

According to Al-Zaytouna Study Center, the Palestinian people, especially in the 30s of the 20th century, made a great effort to oppose the sale of their land, and the Supreme Islamic Council led by "Haj Amin Hosseini" and Palestinian scholars played a prominent role in these struggles at that time. On January 25, 1935, the First Conference of Palestinian Ulama issued a fatwa according to which it is forbidden to sell Palestinian lands to Jews, and whoever commits this forbidden act is not a Muslim and does not have the right to be buried in a Muslim cemetery. Palestinian scholars launched a big campaign in all Palestinian cities and villages to oppose the sale of land and organized many meetings in this regard and asked all groups to promise to be committed to their lands. In this way, many lands that were under the threat of being sold to the Jews were saved, and the Supreme Islamic Council bought some villages completely to prevent them from being sold to the Jews.

Al-Zaytouna added: In this regard, national institutions also played a big role in stopping land sales operations. The Islamic Nation Fund was established under the management of Palestinian economist Ahmad Helmi Pasha and managed to save about 300 thousand dunums of land in the northeast of Palestine. But until 1948, when the Palestinians had preserved 94% of their lands with much suffering and resistance, this nation has  not been faced the main disaster. The real calamity fell on this nation on May 15, 1948, which is known as the "Nakbat" day in the painful history of the Palestinians; Where the fake Zionist regime known as "Israel" with the support of major countries, including England and America, usurped about 77% of Palestinian lands by massacring Palestinians and displacing 58% of them.

According to Al-Zaytouna's information, this sinister event tore apart the social and economic fabric of the Palestinian nation, and the Zionists who built their fake regime on a sea of blood and pain and suffering of the Palestinians never felt guilty. Where "Moshie Dayan", the head of the army staff of the Zionist regime, admits: "You will not find a Jewish village in this land that was not built on top of an Arab village."

Al-Zaytouna pointed out: After that, in the 1967 war, the Zionists occupied the remaining Palestinian lands in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and continued to build settlements and confiscate the lands of these areas under various pretexts.

In the end, Al-Zaytouna Research Center emphasized: But still, after 72 years of this tragedy, the Palestinian nation considers their country as a trust to be returned to them and they are not ready to give a handful of its soil to the enemy. Therefore, they will not stop resisting and fighting against the occupiers and their conspiracies until the necessary liberation of their land and the return of its original Arab identity to it. 

https://www.alef.ir/news/3990230123.html

https://eng.alzaytouna.net/

 

Edited May 6, 2024 by Ashvazdanghe

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 2/23/2024 at 9:44 PM, Guest Psi said:

Apparently I've heard some pretty bold claims from those who support Zionism saying that DNA testing is illegal in Israel due to the Jews surviving a genocide by the Nazis who used genetic tests to identify them for extermination and this somehow is perfectly sensible. You can already tell how beyond flawed this claim is, but for the sake of argument people at this day and age wouldn't be Nazis to simply identify through DNA tests whether those Zionist Jews who migrated from Europe to Palestine really are Jews by blood as in they are from the Tribe of Judah.

This is illegal there because after doing DNA test their great lie about having homogenous nation & having Jewish ancestors will be exposed as most grat lie of all centuries which Zinist jews who migrated from europe are just mixture of multiple races specially  Khazar's tribes who have not been Jews at first but after accepting Judaism as their religion have migrated to Europe so then have returned from Europe as Zionist occupiers to Palestine .

 

 

 

[Haji 2003]

Arab peacekeeping force?

Summary of FT article by chatgpt

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Arab nations are considering a multinational peacekeeping force for Gaza and the West Bank, a significant shift from their prior stance of limiting international involvement. Draft proposals have been shared with the U.S., aiming for regional stability and a Palestinian state. Previously, Arab states were reluctant to back international forces in Gaza, wary of being seen as aligning with Israel. However, changing perspectives in some Arab capitals now see peacekeeping as a commitment to peace, although some countries, like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, remain opposed to sending Arab troops.

The peacekeeping initiative, primarily backed by Egypt, calls for a UN-endorsed, temporary force to allow Palestinian authorities to develop competent security forces. Arab states have been working on a strategy to address the crisis triggered by Hamas's attack on October 7 and Israel's subsequent offensive. A central demand is for the West and Israel to take tangible steps toward a two-state solution. Despite talks, there's uncertainty over Israel's intentions, its military presence in Gaza, and its rejection of the Palestinian Authority's involvement. Arab foreign ministers have expressed mixed views on the peacekeeping mission, emphasizing the need for a credible path to a Palestinian state, amid skepticism about how to fill the power vacuum in Gaza.

https://www.ft.com/content/1de57fa0-0f30-42c3-ba0a-6f438e17f732

[Haji 2003]

US pressuring other Arab states to send 'peace-keeping' forces to Gaza

 

but does not want to be present there itself ... I think the logic is that if they can keep their own countries' populations subservient to American interests, they can do the same job in Palestine.

 

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“Arab states have said it should be US-led so the US is trying to work out how it can lead it without having boots on the ground,” said a western official. “Three Arab states have had initial discussions, including Egypt, the UAE and Morocco, but they would want the US to recognise a Palestinian state first.”

https://www.ft.com/content/063e4b92-753a-4c9a-bbd4-e1ed40d20c62

 

One side of the calculation is that it will take the pressure off the Israelis if it's just Arabs brutalising Arabs to control Gaza. What's missing is that it could blowback on the regimes sending soldiers to Palestine.

[Haji 2003]

Worthwhile thread

 

[Haji 2003]

^
Agree with the assessment below:

“Israel's best ally, after Rafah, will be the news cycle toning it down. That's also what Biden is aiming at: He can't have such a divisive war ongoing when electoral campaigning peaks.

All it takes is for escalation to cease: After that, misery in Gaza won’t be news for long.”

 

Also agree with this:

 

“However, what the war has done for him [Netanyahu] is both accelerate and conceal the colonization process in the West Bank, which is by far more interesting to his political allies than Gaza.

That’s where the real gains are, which he’ll likely want to capitalize on.”

Spot on:

 

“Rather, Hizbollah has reduced its own losses, while mounting increasingly lethal attacks in response to Israel’s own strikes. It is constantly testing and deploying novel weapon systems.

In other words, we’re haven't reached a stable balance of mutual deterrence, anything but.”

 

He concludes:

 

“So how does it end?

That’s the point: It’s all being set up not to. Gaza’s upcoming economy of utter deprivation, the West Bank’s colonization binge, and a hair-trigger face-off on the Lebanese border guarantee that the way forward, now or years hence, is more violence still.”

[Ahmad8888]

6 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

^
Agree with the assessment below:

“Israel's best ally, after Rafah, will be the news cycle toning it down. That's also what Biden is aiming at: He can't have such a divisive war ongoing when electoral campaigning peaks.

All it takes is for escalation to cease: After that, misery in Gaza won’t be news for long.”

 

Also agree with this:

 

“However, what the war has done for him [Netanyahu] is both accelerate and conceal the colonization process in the West Bank, which is by far more interesting to his political allies than Gaza.

That’s where the real gains are, which he’ll likely want to capitalize on.”

Spot on:

 

“Rather, Hizbollah has reduced its own losses, while mounting increasingly lethal attacks in response to Israel’s own strikes. It is constantly testing and deploying novel weapon systems.

In other words, we’re haven't reached a stable balance of mutual deterrence, anything but.”

 

He concludes:

 

“So how does it end?

That’s the point: It’s all being set up not to. Gaza’s upcoming economy of utter deprivation, the West Bank’s colonization binge, and a hair-trigger face-off on the Lebanese border guarantee that the way forward, now or years hence, is more violence still.”

Mark my words, this war will end when palestine is liberated. Next year I will go to lebanon to visit family, I'm counting on this war to still be raging and I don't care anymore, we should all expect this to last for years until palestine is free. 

 

I hope I'm wrong too, but this seems like it will last years and years and beiruit, damascus, gaza, cities in the west bank, etc... will all be flattened. We should prepare ourselves for the worst. So my suggestion is to visit your families if you have some in arab countries before the situation becomes like gaza everywhere in the region.

Edited May 18, 2024 by Ahmad8888

[Ashvazdanghe]

Salam

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surly they will welcome IOF/IDF war criminals who have went from Europe & America to Palestine for genocide of Palestinians since Oct 7 after returning to homes in Europe & America after post war which they will be welcomed by flags likewise so called "War heroes"  & "veterans" by their zionist supporters which I hope so after making cease fire or maybe peace deal students & people will go after them to expose their war crimes & ask for their trial in similar fashion of after returning ex Isis/Daesh members to  Europe & America.

Related thread

 

 

[Haji 2003]

Marwan Bishara

believes that the ceasefire deal is aimed at rehabilitating Netanyahu. Problems for his coalition partners if they do not accept.

 

[Muhammed Ali]

3 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Marwan Bishara

believes that the ceasefire deal is aimed at rehabilitating Netanyahu. Problems for his coalition partners if they do not accept.

 

Is this even Israel's proposal? 

[Haji 2003]

18 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

Is this even Israel's proposal?

Valid qestion. It is very odd isn't it?

 

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US President Joe Biden has urged Hamas to accept a new Israeli proposal to end the conflict in Gaza, saying that "it's time for this war to end".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw8860gn1nwo

 

BUT

 

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Middle East crisis live: Israel accepts Biden’s Gaza plan but it ‘is not a good deal’, says Netanyahu aide

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jun/02/middle-east-crisis-live-two-far-right-israeli-ministers-threaten-to-quit-netanyahu-government-if-us-truce-deal-agreed

[Muhammed Ali]

 

 

5 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Valid qestion. It is very odd isn't it?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw8860gn1nwo

 

BUT

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jun/02/middle-east-crisis-live-two-far-right-israeli-ministers-threaten-to-quit-netanyahu-government-if-us-truce-deal-agreed

 

[Haji 2003]

Two-state solution - the politically correct answer

Many people seem to be gunning for this.

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As the international community considers how to approach the post-conflict period in Gaza, the UAE has been clear that the goal cannot be a return to the status quo before October 7. Any “day after” effort must fundamentally alter the trajectory of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict towards the establishment of a Palestinian state that lives in peace and security with the state of Israel. Our collective response to the horrors of war and occupation must lead to a sustainable and just peace.

https://www.ft.com/content/cfef2157-a476-4350-a287-190b25e45159

 

A lot will depend on the nature of the Palestinian state. if the only access it has to the outside world is via Israel and if the Israel central bank manages its currency etc. we'll be back to square one.

The project will be doomed to failure. Short term the Palestinians will suffer and long term there will be another jail breakout. I have heard the arguments for a ONE state solution being voiced and they have some merit - will consider in more detail in another post.

The following is by the UAE assistant minister for foreign affairs

[Abu Nur]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

Two-state solution - the politically correct answer

Many people seem to be gunning for this.

https://www.ft.com/content/cfef2157-a476-4350-a287-190b25e45159

 

A lot will depend on the nature of the Palestinian state. if the only access it has to the outside world is via Israel and if the Israel central bank manages its currency etc. we'll be back to square one.

The project will be doomed to failure. Short term the Palestinians will suffer and long term there will be another jail breakout. I have heard the arguments for a ONE state solution being voiced and they have some merit - will consider in more detail in another post.

The following is by the UAE assistant minister for foreign affairs

Israel’s Knesset votes to reject Palestinian statehood

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/18/israels-knesset-votes-to-reject-palestinian-statehood

All diplomacy is pointless, War is the only answer to wipe out this inhumanly evil entity.

[mahmood8726]

5 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Israel’s Knesset votes to reject Palestinian statehood

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/18/israels-knesset-votes-to-reject-palestinian-statehood

All diplomacy is pointless, War is the only answer to wipe out this inhumanly evil entity.

I was going to comment this, israel is not going to exist in the near future, palestine will. israelis will be forced to pay reparations for the stolen properties under their possession or give them back to Palestinians. If this doesn't happen, you will have eternal problems until the Palestinians are either wiped or culturally colonised or reduced to an insignificant powerless population herded in reserves like the native Americans.  Obviously time is of the essence, the more time passes, the more israel will get closer to possessing this stolen land and stolen properties forever.