Prophet had four daughters

[sunnism]

محمد بن يعقوب عن علي بن ابراهيم عن ابيه عن ابن محبوب عن علي بن رئاب عن عبد صالح عليه السلام قال، ادع بهذا الدعاء في شهر رمضان مستقبل دخول السنة

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اللهم صل على رقية بنت نبيك والعن من آذى نبيك 

، اللهم صل على ام كلثوم بنت نبيك والعن من آذى نبيك فيها

 

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Muhammd b. Ya’qub from ‘Aliy b. Ibrahim from his father from ibn Mahbub from ‘Aliy b. Râ’ib from Abd Salih (peace be upon him) he said: Call with this prayer in the month of Ramadan in the future with the entrance of the year: O Allah send your blessings upon Qâsim and Tâhir sons of your Prophet, O Allah send your blessings upon Ruqayyah daughter of your prophet and curse those who hurt your Prophet through her, O Allah send your blessings upon Umm Kulthûm daughter of your Prophet and and curse those who hurt your Prophet through her. [Tahdhib al-Ahkam, Vol. 3, Pg. 106-122] ; [Milaadh al-Akhyaar, vol 5, page 116 : Hasan(good) as per al-Majlisi]

 

[sunnism]

Shaykh of shias Abu Jafar at-Toose in his “al-Mabsoot fi fiqh al-Imami” (4/159):

 

ولأنه عليه السلام زوج بناته : زوج فاطمة عليها السلام عليا وهو أمير المؤمنين صلوات الله وسلامه عليه ، وأمها خديجة أم المؤمنين ، وزوج بنتيه رقية وأم كلثوم عثمان ، لما ماتت الثانية ، قال : لو كانت ثالثة لزوجناه إياها ، وتزوج الزبير أسماء بنت أبي بكر ، وهي أخت عايشة ، وتزوج طلحة أختها الأخرى

TRANSLATION:

And he (alaihi salam) married his daughters: Married Fatima (alaihi salam) with Ali, commander of faithful – salawatullah wa salamuhu alaih, and her mother Hadija, mother of believers. And married Ruqayah and Umm Qulsum to Uthman, when second died, and said: If I had 3-d , I would married her to you. And Zubair married to Asma bintul Abu Bakr and she was sister of Aisha, and Talha married her other sister.

 

 

[Guest111]

Indeed, Prophet Muhammad (sawa) having three daughters other than Fatima (عليها السلام), them being Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthum, is a fact that can be authentically derived from both Shia and Sunni sources. Here is the evidence provided by the late Sayyid Fadlallah (رحمه الله) from the Quran:

"الصحيح هو أنّ زينب ورقية وأم كلثوم هن بنات رسول الله، وقد نطق بذلك القرآن الكريم في قوله تعالى :﴿يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ﴾ [الأحزاب: 59] فعبّر بالبنات، ولو كان لرسول الله بنتاً واحدة لجاء التعبير في الآية الكريمة ببنتك .
ومن الواضح أنّ لفظ البنت لا يطلق حقيقة إلا على من هي من صلبه، وأما الربيبة فلا تسمى بنتاً على الحقيقة ولا يطلق عليها لفظ البنت إطلاقاً حقيقياً.
ومن البعيد جداً أن يكون القرآن قد جارى في الاستعمال ما عليه العرب في الجاهلية كيف وقد نزلت آيات واضحة في رفض انتساب الولد بالتبني إلى شخص المتبني وقالت الآية: ﴿ادْعُوهُمْ لِآبَائِهِمْ﴾ فلم يستعمل القرآن الكريم لفظ البنات في الآية الكريمة إلا على نحو الحقيقة فهن بنات رسول الله ."

 

Imam Ali (عليه السلام) also said to Uthman in sermon 164 of Nahjul Balagha that he held him to a higher standard than Abubakr and Umar since he was a son-in-law of the prophet (sawa):

إِنَّ النَّاسَ وَرَائِي وَقَدِ اسْتَسْفَرُونِي بَيْنَكَ وَبَيْنَهُمْ وَوَاللهِ مَا أَدْرِي مَا أَقُولُ لَكَ مَا أَعْرِفُ شَيْئاً تَجْهَلُهُ وَلَا أَدُلُّكَ" عَلَى أَمْرٍ لَا تَعْرِفُهُ إِنَّكَ لَتَعْلَمُ مَا نَعْلَمُ، مَا سَبَقْنَاكَ إِلَى شَيْءٍ فَنُخْبِرَكَ عَنْهُ، وَلَا خَلَوْنَا بِشَيْءٍ فَنُبَلِّغَكَهُ، وَقَدْ رَأَيْتَ كَمَا رَأَيْنَا، وَسَمِعْتَ كَمَا سَمِعْنَا، وَصَحِبْتَ رَسُولَ اللهِ كَمَا صَحِبْنَا، وَمَا ابْنُ أَبِي قُحَافَةَ وَلَا ابْنُ الْخَطَّابِ بِأَوْلَى بِعَمَلِ الْحَقِّ مِنْكَ؛ وَأَنْتَ أَقْرَبُ إِلَى رَسُولِ اللهِ؛ وَشِيجَةَ رَحِمٍ مِنْهُمَا، وَقَدْ نِلْتَ مِنْ صِهْرِهِ مَا لَمْ يَنَالَا"

"The people are behind me and they have made me an ambassador between you and themselves; but by Allah, I do not know what to say to you. I know nothing (in this matter) which you do not know, nor can I lead you to any matter of which you are not aware. You certainly know what we know, we have not come to know anything before you which we could tell you; nor did we learn anything in secret which we should convey to you. You have seen as we have seen and you have heard as we have heard. You sat in the company of the Prophet of Allah as we did. (Abu Bakr) Ibn Abi Quhafah and (‘Umar) ibn al-Khattab were no more responsible for acting righteously than you, since you are nearer than both of them to the Prophet of Allah through kinship, and you also hold relationship to him by marriage which they do not hold."

 

In the link below Sayyid Fadlallah (رحمه الله) provides many other Shia narrations and scholars' sayings about the prophet (sawa) having 4 daughters. I don't know why this is denied by so many Shia nowadays, maybe to diminish Uthman's title of Dhul Nurayn by having married two of the prophet's (sawa) daughters Ruqayya and Umm Kulthum.

https://sayedfadlullah.com/article/1207

Edited January 8, 2024 by Guest111

[123xo]

On 12/31/2023 at 10:50 PM, sunnism said:

محمد بن يعقوب عن علي بن ابراهيم عن ابيه عن ابن محبوب عن علي بن رئاب عن عبد صالح عليه السلام قال، ادع بهذا الدعاء في شهر رمضان مستقبل دخول السنة

. . .

اللهم صل على رقية بنت نبيك والعن من آذى نبيك 

، اللهم صل على ام كلثوم بنت نبيك والعن من آذى نبيك فيها

 

(source)

 

Muhammd b. Ya’qub from ‘Aliy b. Ibrahim from his father from ibn Mahbub from ‘Aliy b. Râ’ib from Abd Salih (peace be upon him) he said: Call with this prayer in the month of Ramadan in the future with the entrance of the year: O Allah send your blessings upon Qâsim and Tâhir sons of your Prophet, O Allah send your blessings upon Ruqayyah daughter of your prophet and curse those who hurt your Prophet through her, O Allah send your blessings upon Umm Kulthûm daughter of your Prophet and and curse those who hurt your Prophet through her. [Tahdhib al-Ahkam, Vol. 3, Pg. 106-122] ; [Milaadh al-Akhyaar, vol 5, page 116 : Hasan(good) as per al-Majlisi]

 

No, this what sunni hadith says.As they claim that Khadijah was previously married and had daughters and that is false !!!  
According to ahlu albeit (peace be upon them all) they made it clear that Khadijah was a virgin when she married Prophet Muhammed (pbu), and they did not have a daughter other than Fatima al-Zahra (peace be upon her), and as for Ruqayyah, Zainab and um Kalthoom they were the daughters of Hala, Khadija’s sister, as the Messenger (pbu) took care of them after Hala’s death while they were children, and they were not the daughters of Khadija. For more details, see the book (Al-Sahih min Biography of the Greatest Prophet, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him and his family: 2/121) by Jaafar Murtada. Allah knows best.

[sunnism]

1 hour ago, 123xo said:

No, this what sunni hadith says.As they claim that Khadijah was previously married and had daughters and that is false !!!  
According to ahlu albeit (peace be upon them all) they made it clear that Khadijah was a virgin when she married Prophet Muhammed (pbu), and they did not have a daughter other than Fatima al-Zahra (peace be upon her), and as for Ruqayyah, Zainab and um Kalthoom they were the daughters of Hala, Khadija’s sister, as the Messenger (pbu) took care of them after Hala’s death while they were children, and they were not the daughters of Khadija. For more details, see the book (Al-Sahih min Biography of the Greatest Prophet, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him and his family: 2/121) by Jaafar Murtada. Allah knows best.

Provide evidences for your claims from shi'i authentic hadith

[ShiaMan14]

Regardless of how many daughters the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) had, there was only 1 Hz Fatima (عليه السلام).

The status and rank given to Hz Fatima (عليه السلام) is unquestionable so then what is the right question or conversation to have?

How about this - did marrying Imam Ali (عليه السلام) raise Hz Fatima (عليه السلام) status to what it is today or did the other daughters' respective ranks decrease by being married to other ashab?

[Abu_Zahra]

As correctly shown in the earlier posts, authentic narrations clearly state that the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) had four daughters with Khadija (sa). Sheikh Mufid and Sheikh Tusi confirm this in their works. I don't know at which point this started to be disputed, and why exactly it was disputed at all, but the early and authentic sources seem to be quite clear on the subject  

[Ashvazdanghe]

15 hours ago, sunnism said:

Provide evidences for your claims from shi'i authentic hadith

If the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) had only one daughter from lady Khadija (عليه السلام) then why in the Quran verse 33:59 does it say “your daughters” in the plural?

"O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."

Using a plural also does not preclude daughters in the future, whether they be biological daughters (which didn't happen) or step-daughters (which would have been an open possibility given that he remarried after Hazrat Khadijah). However, if the verse had only said "daughter", and he only had one daughter, it would have been a specific instruction for a specific person and not a general instruction.

Also, the Qur'an occasionally uses a plural form to indicate generality, not multiplicity. For instance, the verse of mubahilah instructs the Prophet to take "our selves" and "our women" (in the plural) to the meeting for mubahilah, but he only brought one person as his "self" (Imam 'Ali) and one person as "his women" (Fatimah al-Zahra'). 

Lastly, a prophet can be considered a father of his people (as in "I and 'Ali are the fathers of this ummah"), and so referring, in general, to the girls of the community as his "daughters" would not be unreasonable, particularly since the verse also addresses the "believing women", although admittedly this is not the interpretation that first comes to mind. 

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An Account of the Prophet’s Children

It is narrated through authentic chains of narrators from Imam Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) that Lady Khadija bore Qasim and Tahir, alias Abdullah, and Umm Kulthum, and Ruqaiyyah and Zainab, and Fatima, who was married to Amirul Momineen ((عليه السلام).).

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Zainab married Abul Aas bin Rabiah from Bani Umayyah; and Uthman bin Affan married Umm Kulthum, but before she was taken to his house she departed from this life. When the Holy Prophet (S) was about to march to the Battle of Badr, he gave Uthman his other daughter, Ruqaiyyah. Mariya, the Copt, bore to the Prophet his son, Ibrahim. Mariya was presented to the Prophet along with a mule and other gifts.

Ibn Babawayh has narrated through authentic chains of narrator from Imam Ja’far Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) that among the children of the Prophet were Qasim, Tahir, Umm Kulthum, Ruqaiyyah, Zainab and Fatima from Lady Khadija. Tahir was named Abdullah. The Holy Prophet (S) married Fatima to Amirul Momineen ((عليه السلام).).

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Zainab was married to Abul Aas bin Rabiah from Bani Umayyah. Umm Kulthum was married to Uthman bin Affan. But before she could be sent to his house as a bride, she passed away. Then the Holy Prophet (S) proceeded for the Battle of Badr, and married Ruqaiyyah to Uthman. Ibrahim was born from Mariya the Copt. She was a slave girl called Umm Walad.

Shaykh Tusi and Ibn Shahr Ashob etc. have narrated that no children were born to the Prophet except through Lady Khadija, except for Ibrahim who was born from Mariya, the Copt. It is well known that the Prophet had three sons: The eldest was Qasim from whom the Prophet was given the Kunniyat of Abul Qasim.

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And Ibn Babawayh has narrated through authentic chains of narrators that Amama binte Abul Aas was born from Zainab, after the passing away of Fatima Zahra (s.a.), married Amirul Momineen ((عليه السلام).) and after his martyrdom she became the wife of Mughaira bin Naufal. After that she was struck with a serious illness and she became dumb. Imam Hasan and Imam Husain ((عليه السلام).) came to her when she could not speak.

Ibn Idris has narrated through correct chains of narrators from Imam Muhammad Baqir ((عليه السلام).) that the Messenger of Allah (S) gave the hands of his daughters to two hypocrites: one was Abul Aas bin Rabi and the other was Uthman. But the Prophet did not mention their names due to dissimulation (Taqayyah).

Ayyashi has narrated that people asked Imam Ja’far Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) if the Prophet had given the hand of his daughter to Uthman. “Yes,” replied the Imam ((عليه السلام).). The narrator asked: “When he killed the Prophet’s daughter, he gave the hand of his second daughter also?” “Yes,” replied Imam ((عليه السلام).), “and the Almighty Allah has revealed the following verse in connection with his incident:

وَلَا يَحْسَبَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّمَا نُمْلِي لَهُمْ خَيْرٌ لِأَنْفُسِهِمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا نُمْلِي لَهُمْ لِيَزْدَادُوا إِثْمًا ۚ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ مُهِينٌ

“And let not those who disbelieve think that Our granting them respite is better for their souls; We grant them respite only that they may add to their sins; and they shall have a disgraceful chastisement.”2

• 2.Surah Aale Imran 3:178

https://www.al-islam.org/hayat-al-qulub-vol-2-allamah-muhammad-baqir-al-majlisi/account-prophet-s-children

 

11 hours ago, Abu_Zahra said:

As correctly shown in the earlier posts, authentic narrations clearly state that the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) had four daughters with Khadija (sa). Sheikh Mufid and Sheikh Tusi confirm this in their works. I don't know at which point this started to be disputed, and why exactly it was disputed at all, but the early and authentic sources seem to be quite clear on the subject  

Salam

Abu l-qasim al-Kufi, shi'a scholar of 4th/10th century and, al-Sayyid Ja'far Murtada al-Amili, shi'a scholar of 15th/21st century, believe that Zaynab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthum were not children of the Prophet (s) and Khadija; but their adopted children^[10]. Al-Sayyid Ja'far Murtada al-Amili authored a work entitled Banat al-Nabi am raba'ibuh? (lit. daughters of the Prophet (s) or his adopted children?) in order to prove this issue^[11].

[10] ʿĀmilī, al-Ṣaḥīḥ min sīrat al-nabīyy al-aʿẓam, vol. 2, p. 218; ʿĀmilī, Banat al-nabi am raba'ib-uh?, pp. 77-79; Kufi, al-Istighatha, vol. 1, p. 68.
 

[11] See: Kufi, al-Istighatha.

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Children_of_Prophet_Muhammad_(s)

 

Why did the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) marry two of his adopted daughters to Usman Ibn Affan?

 

      There is no evidence what so ever that the Prophet himself allowed such marriage. Both of the ladies were divorcees of two sons of Abu Lahab, the enemy-uncle of the Prophet (SAWA). After their divorce, they were free to marry whom so ever they wanted from Muslims. In fact, the real daughter of the Prophet Muhammad (SAWA) was Fatima (عليه السلام) and he marriage was by order of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). It is mentioned in Sunni books that when Ruqayyah passed away, the Prophet (SAWA) did not allow Othman to attend her funeral.

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These three fostered daughters are mentioned in the books of history as daughters of A’atiqa bint Khowailid, thesister of Lady Khadijah (عليه السلام).

Lady Khadijah (عليه السلام) and the Holy Prophet
(SAWA) looked after them and brought them up as fostered daughters and
that is why they were known as daughters of the Holy Prophet (SAWA)
according to the Arab culture who called the fostered children as sons
and daughters like calling Zaid who was a fostered son of the Prophet (SAWA) yet he was called as Zaid Ibn Muhammad (SAWA).(son of Mohammad).

Wassalam.

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There is no evidence what so ever that the Prophet himself allowed such marriage. Both of t

https://www.al-islam.org/ask/why-did-the-prophet-saw-marry-two-of-his-adopted-daughters-to-usman-ibn-affan/sayyed-mohammad-al-musawi

https://www.al-islam.org/ask/how-many-children-did-the-prophet-muhammad-s-have

 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Khadijah, Daughter of Khuwaylid, Wife of Prophet Muhammad

Yasin T. Al-Jibouri

https://www.al-islam.org/articles/khadijah-daughter-khuwaylid-wife-prophet-muhammad-yasin-t-al-jibouri

Shi’ah Women Transmitters Of Hadith

Nahleh Gharavi Naeini

53. Umm Kulthum, The Daughter Of The Holy Prophet

Umm Kulthum was the third daughter of the Messenger of God (S) and Khadijah. She was born after Ruqayyah and before Fatimah ('a). She married 'Utaybah Ibn Abi Lahab. When Surah (Qur'anic chapter) al-Masad was revealed, Abu Lahab and his wife, Umm Jamil, forced their sons, 'Utbah and 'Utaybah, to divorce their wives, the daughters of the Prophet (S), Ruqayyah and Umm Kulthum. Their divorces took place before they consummated their marriages.

After the death of Ruqayyah, Umm Kulthum married with 'Uthman Ibn 'Affan.1 Umm Kulthum passed away at the home of 'Uthman in the year 9 A.H. They didn't have any children. The Messenger of God (S) prayed over her, and 'Ali ('a), al-Fadl, and Usamah Ibn Zayd entered her grave. Asma' Bint 'Umays and Safiyyah, the aunts of the Prophet (S), washed her. Umm 'Atiyyah witnessed the washing.

'Allamah Mamqani has written, "Because of what is said about her in the prayer for the month of Ramadan it may be said that she is trustworthy."2

Ibn 'Abd al-Barr, Ibn al-Athir, and Ibn Hajar have said that Umm Kulthum was one of the companions of the Prophet (S). Mamqani has said she was one of the women transmitters of traditions. Sayyid Muhsin al-Amin has said she was one of the Shi'ah dignitaries.3

• 1.Ibn Athir, vol. 7, p. 115.
• 2.Tanqih al-Maqal, vol. 3, p. 74.
• 3.Al-Isti’ab, vol. 4, p. 507; Usd al-Ghabah, vol. 7, p. 374; al-Isabah, vol. 8, p 460 (In this book she has been listed as Umm-Kulthum Bint Sayyid al-Bushr); Tanqih al­Maqal, vol. 3, p. 73; A'yan al-Shi'ah, vol. 3, p. 486.

https://www.al-islam.org/shiah-women-transmitters-hadith-nahla-gharavi-naeeni/53-umm-kulthum-daughter-holy-prophet

[Ashvazdanghe]

12 hours ago, Abu_Zahra said:

As correctly shown in the earlier posts, authentic narrations clearly state that the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) had four daughters with Khadija (sa). Sheikh Mufid and Sheikh Tusi confirm this in their works. I don't know at which point this started to be disputed, and why exactly it was disputed at all, but the early and authentic sources seem to be quite clear on the subject  

Salam this is about proving having four daughters but on the other hand it doesn't provide enough evidence which except lady Fatima (sa) the other three were his  biological daughters which Lady Khadija (sa) ha never prayed idols also refrained from marrying with idol worshippers or people of book which she has waited &  remained virgin  to find best husband through signs of last prophet which his bother Waraqah ibn Nawfal (رضي الله عنه) has found from divine scriptures  which at their time they have expected coming of last prophet which also prophet Muhammad (pbu) only has acted as caretaker of his three stepdaughters which they have married with sons of cursed Abu Lahab based on their wish which prophet  Muhammad (pbu) has not opposed their wish although cursed Abu lahab 7 his houshold have been his most staunch enemies  so then after their forced divorce they have married with Uthman the third sunni caliph on after another which both type of marriages have not recorded about history of other prophets & their biological children  which later Sunnis have tried to make it a virtue for Uthman  the third sunni caliph although of his brutal domestic violence which leads to killing of one of them which in similar fashion they have tried to make virginity as merit of Ayesha by accusing lady Khadija to being not virgin at time of marriage .

[Inspector]

Perhaps it is very easy for many people to digest that Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) would have married his biological daughters to polytheists.
Secondly, even if there were three or four biological daughters of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), non of them survived the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) except Syeda Fatima s.a and none of them had any offspring except Syeda Fatima s.a.

So what is the point here if Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) had 3 or 4 biological daughters? How many of them were Syedatun Nisa al-Alimeen? How many of them were under the cloak when the verse of purification was revealed? 



 

Edited January 9, 2024 by Inspector

[123xo]

44 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam this is about proving having four daughters but on the other hand it doesn't provide enough evidence which except lady Fatima (sa) the other three were his  biological daughters which Lady Khadija (sa) ha never prayed idols also refrained from marrying with idol worshippers or people of book which she has waited &  remained virgin  to find best husband through signs of last prophet which his bother Waraqah ibn Nawfal (رضي الله عنه) has found from divine scriptures  which at their time they have expected coming of last prophet which also prophet Muhammad (pbu) only has acted as caretaker of his three stepdaughters which they have married with sons of cursed Abu Lahab based on their wish which prophet  Muhammad (pbu) has not opposed their wish although cursed Abu lahab 7 his houshold have been his most staunch enemies  so then after their forced divorce they have married with Uthman the third sunni caliph on after another which both type of marriages have not recorded about history of other prophets & their biological children  which later Sunnis have tried to make it a virtue for Uthman  the third sunni caliph although of his brutal domestic violence which leads to killing of one of them which in similar fashion they have tried to make virginity as merit of Ayesha by accusing lady Khadija to being not virgin at time of marriage .

Amazing answer! 

[Guest111]

3 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam this is about proving having four daughters but on the other hand it doesn't provide enough evidence which except lady Fatima (sa) the other three were his  biological daughters which Lady Khadija (sa) ha never prayed idols also refrained from marrying with idol worshippers or people of book which she has waited &  remained virgin  to find best husband through signs of last prophet which his bother Waraqah ibn Nawfal (رضي الله عنه) has found from divine scriptures  which at their time they have expected coming of last prophet which also prophet Muhammad (pbu) only has acted as caretaker of his three stepdaughters which they have married with sons of cursed Abu Lahab based on their wish which prophet  Muhammad (pbu) has not opposed their wish although cursed Abu lahab 7 his houshold have been his most staunch enemies  so then after their forced divorce they have married with Uthman the third sunni caliph on after another which both type of marriages have not recorded about history of other prophets & their biological children  which later Sunnis have tried to make it a virtue for Uthman  the third sunni caliph although of his brutal domestic violence which leads to killing of one of them which in similar fashion they have tried to make virginity as merit of Ayesha by accusing lady Khadija to being not virgin at time of marriage .

Brother if Uthman murdered Ruqayya, why did the prophet (sawa) not punish him in any way for it, and even went on to give his other daughter Umm Kulthum to him in marriage as well?

[Inspector]

23 hours ago, Guest111 said:

In the link below Sayyid Fadlallah (رحمه الله) provides many other Shia narrations and scholars' sayings about the prophet (sawa) having 4 daughters

Salam!

Its not the first time I am surprised with the lack of understanding of Ayatullah Fadlullah (late), may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) have mercy on his soul.

Here is how he began his answer:

الجواب :

الصحيح هو أنّ زينب ورقية وأم كلثوم هن بنات رسول الله، وقد نطق بذلك القرآن الكريم في قوله تعالى :﴿يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ﴾ [الأحزاب: 59] فعبّر بالبنات، ولو كان لرسول الله بنتاً واحدة لجاء التعبير في الآية الكريمة ببنتك .

So according to him since بَنَاتِكَ is mentioned in 33:59 therefore there must be more than 1 daughter of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم). 

It is quite surprising how scholar of his caliber has ignored the verse of mubahila where despite of mentioning "your women & our women", we see only one lady actually participated in the mubahila from Muslims. 

So how come the verse 33:59 is presented as evidence that since "banatika" is used instead of "bebinteka" therefore

a) the daughters must be more than one. 

b) all of them are the biological daughters only. There cannot be the concept of any adopted daughter and adopted (if there were any) are not mentioned here. 

The verse 33:59 is mentioning a general command for all believing women to cover themselves and the use of plural specifically in the daughter part "banatika", may because of the plurals before and after of that word:

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُلْ لِأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَاءِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِنْ جَلَابِيبِهِنَّ ۚ 

(O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments.)

Imagine the verse 5:55 where it was only Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who gave charity in ruku' yet the verse has used plural:

وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ

(and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow)

According to Fadullah's logic, this verse (if it is revealed for Imam Ali (عليه السلام)) must be mentioned in the following manner:

"and he who believes, he who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while he bow". 

I am amazed indeed!

[Ashvazdanghe]

20 hours ago, Guest111 said:

Brother if Uthman murdered Ruqayya, why did the prophet (sawa) not punish him in any way for it, and even went on to give his other daughter Umm Kulthum to him in marriage as well?

Salam it has been mentioned in above which they have married with him based on their wish because after forced divorce form sons of cursed Abu Lahab they didn't need permission of their caretaker for remarriage . 

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Ibn Idris has narrated through correct chains of narrators from Imam Muhammad Baqir ((عليه السلام).) that the Messenger of Allah (S) gave the hands of his daughters to two hypocrites: one was Abul Aas bin Rabi and the other was Uthman. But the Prophet did not mention their names due to dissimulation (Taqayyah).

Ayyashi has narrated that people asked Imam Ja’far Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) if the Prophet had given the hand of his daughter to Uthman. “Yes,” replied the Imam ((عليه السلام).). The narrator asked: “When he killed the Prophet’s daughter, he gave the hand of his second daughter also?” “Yes,” replied Imam ((عليه السلام).), “and the Almighty Allah has revealed the following verse in connection with his incident:

وَلَا يَحْسَبَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّمَا نُمْلِي لَهُمْ خَيْرٌ لِأَنْفُسِهِمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا نُمْلِي لَهُمْ لِيَزْدَادُوا إِثْمًا ۚ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ مُهِينٌ

“And let not those who disbelieve think that Our granting them respite is better for their souls; We grant them respite only that they may add to their sins; and they shall have a disgraceful chastisement.”2

• 2.Surah Aale Imran 3:178

https://www.al-islam.org/hayat-al-qulub-vol-2-allamah-muhammad-baqir-al-majlisi/account-prophet-s-children

 

[sunnism]

On 1/9/2024 at 1:15 PM, Inspector said:

Perhaps it is very easy for many people to digest that Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) would have married his biological daughters to polytheists.
Secondly, even if there were three or four biological daughters of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), non of them survived the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) except Syeda Fatima s.a and none of them had any offspring except Syeda Fatima s.a.

So what is the point here if Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) had 3 or 4 biological daughters? How many of them were Syedatun Nisa al-Alimeen? How many of them were under the cloak when the verse of purification was revealed? 



 

This post is for those who deny prophet had four daughters. 

[sunnism]

On 1/9/2024 at 12:42 AM, Abu_Zahra said:

As correctly shown in the earlier posts, authentic narrations clearly state that the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) had four daughters with Khadija (sa). Sheikh Mufid and Sheikh Tusi confirm this in their works. I don't know at which point this started to be disputed, and why exactly it was disputed at all, but the early and authentic sources seem to be quite clear on the subject  

It was disputed because then shia have to accept that prophet gave his daughters to uthman one after another

[sunnism]

On 1/9/2024 at 1:13 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam this is about proving having four daughters but on the other hand it doesn't provide enough evidence which except lady Fatima (sa) the other three were his  biological daughters

It is a neckbreaking evidence that those daughters were biological daughters of prophet. While you don't even have a weak shi'i narration that those daughters were daughters of khadija from her previous husbands

[sunnism]

On 1/9/2024 at 12:29 PM, Ashvazdanghe said:

There is no evidence what so ever that the Prophet himself allowed such marriage. Both of the ladies were divorcees of two sons of Abu Lahab, the enemy-uncle of the Prophet (SAWA). After their divorce, they were free to marry whom so ever they wanted from Muslims. In fact, the real daughter of the Prophet Muhammad (SAWA) was Fatima (عليه السلام) and he marriage was by order of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). It is mentioned in Sunni books that when Ruqayyah passed away, the Prophet (SAWA) did not allow Othman to attend her funeral

This is also pure nonsense. Prophet married both of them to uthman. Your sheikh ul taifa aka tusi accepted that. And i like to see where in sunni books prophet did not allow othman to attend her funeral

[Ashvazdanghe]

52 minutes ago, sunnism said:

It is a neckbreaking evidence that those daughters were biological daughters of prophet. While you don't even have a weak shi'i narration that those daughters were daughters of khadija from her previous husbands

Salam we don't belive that there wer her daughters which Lady Khadija (sa) has been caretaker of daughters of her sister which even according to Sunni histories lady Khadija (sa) has refrained from marrying with anyone although majority of noble men of Quraish & other tribes have asked for her marriage which she only accepted prophet Muhammad(pbu) as his first & only husband . 

[123xo]

51 minutes ago, sunnism said:

It is a neckbreaking evidence that those daughters were biological daughters of prophet. While you don't even have a weak shi'i narration that those daughters were daughters of khadija from her previous husbands

Not sure if you're naturally retarded or just doing it as a hobby. Darling there is no such thing as a"previous husbands" for Khadijah. She was a virgin when the prophet married her and she had no daughters prior to her ONE AND ONLY marriage. So please with the none sense and go do proper research away from your sunni yazid following airheads that go around and give hadiths and lectures as they please with zero knowledge. Astgfirallah. أَتَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ (28) 

[Ashvazdanghe]

According to the Shia Muslims, Muhammad and Khadija had three and not six children.The first two of them – Qasim and Tayyeb or Tahir – were boys, and both of them died in their infancy. Their third and the last child was a girl – Fatima Zahra. She was their only child who did not die in infancy.

The girls – Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom – could not have been the daughters of the Prophet of Islam. If they were, he would not have given them in marriage to the idolaters which the husbands of all three of them were. It's true that all three girls were married long before the dawn of Islam. But then he did not violate any of the imperatives of Qur’an at any time – before or after he was ordained God's Messenger. And Qur’an is explicit on the prohibition of the marriage of a Muslim woman to a pagan.

The proscription of the marriage of a Muslim woman and a polytheist occurs in the following verses of Qur’an:

Do not marry (your girls) to unbelievers. (Chapter 2; verse 221)

They (believing women) are not lawful (wives) for the unbelievers, nor are the (unbelievers) lawful (husbands) for them. (Chapter 60; verse 10)

There are other verses in Qur’an which, without referring specifically to marriage, make it impossible for a Muslim to give his daughter or daughters to an idolater. Some of them are:

...the curse of God is on those without faith. (Chapter 2; verse 89)

...God is an enemy to those who reject faith. (Chapter 2, verse 98)

O ye who believe! Truly the pagans are unclean. (Chapter 9:verse 28)

Can a Muslim, even if he is a “marginal” or a “statistical” Muslim, believe that Muhammad, the Bringer and the Interpreter of Qur’an, would give his daughters to those men whom God has cursed; whose enemy He is; and who are unclean?

To a believer, the verses of Qur’an quoted above, are incontrovertible proof that Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom, all three married, at one time, to three idolaters in Makkah, were not the daughters of Muhammad Mustafa and Khadija.

It should also be noted that the Apostle who was very fond of children, never said anything about Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom. The parents give the same love to all their children, and do not make any distinction between them. But he was bestowing encomiums only upon his daughter, Fatima Zahra. Judging by the traditions, he was not even aware that three women called Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom existed.

Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom were still living with their husbands when a new revelation, the Chapter 111 of Qur’an, came from Heaven. In this chapter Abu Lahab and his wife, Umm Jameel, the in-laws of Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom, were cursed for their perversity.

The new revelation roused the anger of the old couple, and they ordered their sons to divorce their wives, and to send them back to Khadija's home. The boys obeyed their parents, divorced their wives and they (the wives) returned to Khadija's home. Sometime later, Ruqayya was married to Uthman bin Affan. She died in A.D. 624. After her death, her sister, Umm Kulthoom, was also married to Uthman. She died a few years later.

The years in Makkah, after the proclamation of Islam, and the early years in Medina, were fraught with peril for Muhammad. Everyday brought new challenges to him. He put his life in the line of fire as soon as he stepped out of his house. And yet, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom are never mentioned as giving any service to their father.

On the other hand, Fatima Zahra helped her father in various emergencies, both in Makkah and Medina. Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom both were many years older than Fatima, and they ought to have cheered and comforted their father whenever he was oppressed by the idolaters in Makkah or was wounded in battles in Medina but they never did.

https://www.al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-asghar-razwy/uthman-third-khalifa-muslims

 

[123xo]

56 minutes ago, sunnism said:

This is also pure nonsense. Prophet married both of them to uthman. Your sheikh ul taifa aka tusi accepted that. And i like to see where in sunni books prophet did not allow othman to attend her funeral

Also For shia scholars of Qur'anic Surah, "al-kawthar" refers to Lady Fatima al-Zahra (a), since  Al-Aas ebn el wail used to called the Prophet Muhammad (s) "abtar", that is, a person without a progeny and offspring (since he had no sons). On this occasion, God revealed the verse in response to al-'Aas b. Wa'il, by saying that He will give the Prophet (s) many children through his daughter, Lady Fatima al-Zahra (a). Al-Kawthar is one of the titles of Lady Fatima (a)

 

boi bye

[Ashvazdanghe]

58 minutes ago, sunnism said:

And i like to see where in sunni books prophet did not allow othman to attend her funeral

In Sunni book story of her death has been forged to a romantic story which her death due to brutal bitig by Uthman the third sunni caliph has been censored which she has been died without a reason even Uthman has cried over her dead body  which justification of wahabists  has been extended into justifcation of not attending of Uthman  in battle of Badr due to thie story .

We believe that none of Uthman's wives were daughters of the Prophet; Rather, they were the adopted children of that Prophet and the daughters of Hazrat Khadija's sister. (For more information, refer to these books:

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ازواج النبي و بناته ، تأليف الشيخ نجاح الطائي و الصحيح من سيرة النبي الأعظم نوشته سيد جعفر مرتضي و... .

https://shiastudies.com/fa/ازدواج-عثمان-با-دختران-پیامبر-و-لقب-ذوا/

http://askdin.com/thread/آيا-ازدواج-دو-دختر-پيامبر-ص-با-عثمان-صحت-دارد-؟

https://fa.wikifeqh.ir/دختران_پیامبر

http://pajoohe.ir/دختران-پیامبر-رقیه-و-ام-کلثوم__a-34397.aspx

 

 

In her burial, the Prophet (s) prevented 'Uthman from entering her grave by saying "Whoever had intercourse last night will not enter the grave."^[12]

^{[12]  Amīn, Aʿyān al-Shīʿa, vol. 3, p. 487.}

1 hour ago, sunnism said:

This is also pure nonsense. Prophet married both of them to uthman. Your sheikh ul taifa aka tusi accepted that.

All of us have agreement about marying both of them  one after another with Uthman anyway it's not a merit for him which they have married with sons of cursed Abu Lahab which in similar fashion it's not a merit for sons of cursed Abu Lahab.

Her name is mentioned in a supplication of the month of Ramadan: "O, Allah send your peace upon Ruqayya the daughter of your Messenger …"^[13]

[13]  Shaykh al-Ṭūsī, Tahdhīb al-aḥkām, vol. 3, p. 120.

 

[Inspector]

1 hour ago, sunnism said:

It was disputed because then shia have to accept that prophet gave his daughters to uthman one after another

lol, and what would you do when shia even accept that Prophet married those two girls with the sons of Abu Lahab prior to marrying them to othman? 

No one can have evidence that the two daughters married to sons of Abu Lahab were actually the biological daughters of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and were not the adopted daughters. 

Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) would not marry his biological daughter to any polytheist. Forget about Othmaan bro! First deal with the sons of cursed Abu Laheb. 

[sunnism]

3 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam we don't belive that there wer her daughters which Lady Khadija (sa) has been caretaker of daughters of her sister which even according to Sunni histories lady Khadija (sa) has refrained from marrying with anyone although majority of noble men of Quraish & other tribes have asked for her marriage which she only accepted prophet Muhammad(pbu) as his first & only husband . 

Then prove it. Also khadija refrained from marrying anyone after death of her previous husbands. 

[sunnism]

2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

In Sunni book story of her death has been forged to a romantic story which her death due to brutal bitig by Uthman the third sunni caliph has been censored which she has been died without a reason even Uthman has cried over her dead body  which justification of wahabists  has been extended into justifcation of not attending of Uthman  in battle of Badr due to thie story .

So you accept that it is nowhere in sunni books. 

 

2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

We believe that none of Uthman's wives were daughters of the Prophet; Rather, they were the adopted children of that Prophet and the daughters of Hazrat Khadija's sister. (For more information, refer to these books:

I could care less what you believe. And those two books don't provide any evidences as to why they were not the daughters of prophet. 

 

2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

In her burial, the Prophet (s) prevented 'Uthman from entering her grave by saying "Whoever had intercourse last night will not enter the grave

This is a late source. 

 

2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

All of us have agreement about marying both of them  one after another with Uthman anyway it's not a merit for him which they have married with sons of cursed Abu Lahab which in similar fashion it's not a merit for sons of cursed Abu Lahab

It is an absolute merit to him. Prophet married him his daughters one after another. As far as them married to sons of abu lahab, that was before wahy. Prophet gave usman his daughters when he was having revelation, after marrying to kuffar was prohibited. 

[sunnism]

2 hours ago, Inspector said:

nd what would you do when shia even accept that Prophet married those two girls with the sons of Abu Lahab prior to marrying them to othman? 

Absolutely nonsense. Prophet didn't have revelations at that time when he gave to them. And prior to the sharia of prophet, marrying kuffar was permissable. That's why nuh (عليه السلام) had a wife who was a disbeliever. There are certain things which were permitted in previous sharia but prohibited in ours. Prophet gave uthmman his daughters when he was having wahi. He didn't speak except wahi, do anything except wahi, and he gave him twice one after another. A religious guide who gave his daughter to a man, his daughter died, then gave his another daughter to him, any man with half a brain can understand that it is undeniable virtue of him. 

 

2 hours ago, Inspector said:

No one can have evidence that the two daughters married to sons of Abu Lahab were actually the biological daughters of Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and were not the adopted daughters. 

The narration given above is an undeniable proof that those were biological daughters. In islam you don't ascribe your waladiyah to someone who is not your biological father. Zaid bin haritha was the adopted son of the prophet and he used to be known as zaid bin muhammad, after quran abolished this practice in one of the ayah of suraj ahzab and zaid was called by his original father. The fact that the daughters are called 'bint rasulullah' itself prove they were biological daughters of prophet. 

[sunnism]

2 hours ago, Inspector said:

Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) would not marry his biological daughter to any polytheist. Forget about Othmaan bro! First deal with the sons of cursed Abu Laheb

That's your homemade rule that prophet wouldn't marry his daughter to any polytheist prior to its prohibition. I take your homemade rule as less that a grain of a salt. Marrying polytheist was permissable back then. Nuh (عليه السلام) was an uil azm prophet and he married a kafira. And prophet didn't do anything wrong. End of the debate

[Muslim2010]

56 minutes ago, sunnism said:

End of the debate

 

[ShiaMan14]

6 hours ago, sunnism said:

End of the debate

debate ended when I pointed out the ridiculousness of this topic. Does the number of daughters of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) in any way diminish the status and rank of Fatima(عليه السلام)?

[Abu_Zahra]

55 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

debate ended when I pointed out the ridiculousness of this topic. Does the number of daughters of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) in any way diminish the status and rank of Fatima(عليه السلام)?

No it doesn't, which is why it's cringeworthy to see people fighting tooth and nail to try and deny it even though it's well established in our narrations and the works of our early scholars. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

14 hours ago, sunnism said:

Nuh (عليه السلام) was an uil azm prophet and he married a kafira. And prophet didn't do anything wrong.

Salam this is a Wahabi/Salafi interpretation from holy Quran which has no value for both of Sunni & Shia muslims  which all accusation against previous prophets have been driven from distorted Judaism which it has been inserted into Sunni books too. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

15 hours ago, sunnism said:

Then prove it. Also khadija refrained from marrying anyone after death of her previous husbands.

Salam it doesn't prove it  which s but you have fought with tooth & anil based on Wahabi/Salafi belief which they have given all merits to Ayesha which even in Sunni sources it has been mentioned that Ayeash always has been jealous toward mother of believers Lady Khadija (sa) which her jelously has extended to Lady Fatima (sa) & Imam Ali (عليه السلام) which you are free to choose which it doesn't reduce status of mother of believers Lady Khadija (sa) in viewpoint of both of Sunni & Shia Muslims . 

Before Marrying Prophet Muhammad (s)

The marriage(s) of Khadija (a) was a controversial matter among Shi'a and Sunni scholars. Sunni scholars believe she married two times before Prophet Muhammad (s), and they mentioned the names of her children. Al-Baladhuri in Ansab al-ashraf introduced Hind b. al-Nabash as Khadija's (a) husband before she married Muhammad (s).^[8] Also, Ibn al-Habib, in his book, al-Munammiq, introduced al-Nabash and named Khadija (a) as his wife, before she married Prophet Muhammad (s).^[9] Ibn al-Habib in his book al-Muhabbar, written after al-Munammiq, named 'Atiq b. 'Abid b. 'Abd Allah as her second husband before she married to Prophet Muhammad (s).^[10]

On the other hand, after numerous analyses, Shi'a scholars believed Khadija (a) did not marry anyone before Prophet Muhammad (s).

Ibn Shahrashub quoted from al-Sayyid al-Murtada in al-Shafi and al-Shaykh al-Tusi in Talkhis al-shafi that Khadija (a) was a virgin when she married Prophet Muhammad (s).^[11] Besides, considering the cultural and intellectual situation in Hijaz and the high position and status of Khadija al-Kubra (a) among other people, it would be highly improbable that she marry men from Banu Tamim and Banu Makhzum (the two low tribes).^[12]

According to researchers, the children attributed to Khadija (a) both were the children of Hala, Khadija's (a) sister. After the husband of Hala had passed away, she took responsibility for Hala and her children. After Hala passed away, Khadija (a) looked after her children.^[13]

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Khadija_bt._Khuwaylid_(a)

[Ashvazdanghe]

15 hours ago, sunnism said:

It is an absolute merit to him. Prophet married him his daughters one after another. As far as them married to sons of abu lahab, that was before wahy. Prophet gave usman his daughters when he was having revelation, after marrying to kuffar was prohibited. 

 

15 hours ago, sunnism said:

That's your homemade rule that prophet wouldn't marry his daughter to any polytheist prior to its prohibition. I take your homemade rule as less that a grain of a salt. Marrying polytheist was permissable back then.

Salam this is your  paradoxical viewpoint which you have considered that prophet Muhammad (pbu) has used homemade rules against Islam  before giving  them to Uthman nauzubillah according to you prophet Muhammad(pbu) has been unaware of Islamic rulings which he has not revelation when he gave them to sons of Abu Lahab but suddenly from thin air he has given them to Uthman based on revelation while according to holy Quran prophet Muhammad (pbu) has been fortified by Allah in order to he doesn't make homemade rules .

They were about to beguile you from what Allah has revealed to you so that you may fabricate something other than that against Us, whereat they would have befriended you. (73) And had We not fortified you, certainly you might have inclined toward them a bit. (74)

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But whoever has been blind in this [world], will be blind in the Hereafter, and [even] more astray from the [right] way. (72) They were about to beguile you from what Allah has revealed to you so that you may fabricate something other than that against Us, whereat they would have befriended you. (73) And had We not fortified you, certainly you might have inclined toward them a bit. (74) Then We would have surely made you taste a double [punishment] in this life and a double [punishment] after death, and then you would have not found for yourself any helper against Us. (75)

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/17:73