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Al Salam alikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatuh. I found a video about 10 question that supposingly disprove the Quran’ preservation. The questions are:

1. Why are some manuscripts corrected to conform to the Hafs text while at the same time changed to differ from it?

2. What is the oldest complete Quran manuscript that matches the 1924 Cairo edition of the Hafs text?

3. Why does the Topkapi manuscript exhibit several different qira’at?

4. Why would Uthman need to standardize the text if Muhammad had a scribe, Zayd bin Thabit, that was writing down the Quran during his lifetime? 
5. If abrogated verses do not need to be part of the Quran, then why are there abrogated verses in today’s Qurans?

6. Why are none of the Quranic manuscripts that we have identified as those of Uthman’s standardization?

7. Why is the Hafs text not in the Quraishi dialect?
8. Did all the ahruf have several qira’at just as how the current recension of the Quran has several qira’at?

9. How is the Quran perfectly preserved if Uthman destroyed other ahruf that were supposedly revealed by Allah?

10. Why are there differences in qira’at that can only be explained by rasm?

for more details on the question, view video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R4ZXCoHrcw&t=283s

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Salam

 

14 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

8. Did all the ahruf have several qira’at just as how the current recension of the Quran has several qira’at?

This is a Sunni matter which shias don't agree with it which it has been refuted by Imam Sadiq (عليه السلام) which in similar fashion has been refuted by all shia scholars.

14 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

9. How is the Quran perfectly preserved if Uthman destroyed other ahruf that were supposedly revealed by Allah?

It doesn't relate to Uthman or other sunni leaders which it has been preserved by infallible Imams (عليه السلام)  by will of Allah which now Imam Mahdi (aj) is in charge of it. 

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14 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

5. If abrogated verses do not need to be part of the Quran, then why are there abrogated verses in today’s Qurans?

Salam It doesn't mean that these verses has became obsolete or have not any use anymore but on the other hand only knowledgeable pious  people which infallible Imams are master of them can understand & apply it based on different situation until judgment day . .

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14 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

4. Why would Uthman need to standardize the text if Muhammad had a scribe, Zayd bin Thabit, that was writing down the Quran during his lifetime?

At first It has been organized & gathered by commander of faithful Imam Ali (عليه السلام) which all of three caliphs have refused to accept it until at time of Uthman , he had to standardize it . 

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14 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

10. Why are there differences in qira’at that can only be explained by rasm?

 

 

 

14 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

8. Did all the ahruf have several qira’at just as how the current recension of the Quran has several qira’at?

From al-Fudhail Ibn Yasaar said: I told Abi Abdillah (Al-Sadiq (عليه السلام).): People say that Quran was revealed on seven Ahruf (words). He said: They are liars, enemies of Allah. Quran was revealed on One Word from The One . (Kitab Al-Kaafi).

https://www.al-islam.org/ask/topics/11268/questions-about-Ahruf

Tahrif or Not? A Shi’i Perspective on the Seven Ahruf Reports (Pt. I)

https://shiiticstudies.com/2022/05/30/tahrif-or-not-a-shii-perspective-on-the-seven-ahruf-reports-pt-i/

The Interpretations of the Seven Harfs

https://www.introducingislam.org/info/7harfs/7harfs3.php

 

14 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

9. How is the Quran perfectly preserved if Uthman destroyed other ahruf that were supposedly revealed by Allah?

 

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

7. Why is the Hafs text not in the Quraishi dialect?

 

 

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14 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

7. Why is the Hafs text not in the Quraishi dialect?

This misinformation has been spread by anti Shia Wahabists because he has learnt recitaion of holy Quran from commander of believers Imam Ali (عليه السلام) which his dialect has been Quraishi dialect but because of enmity  Wahabists with Shias so then accused him that Hafs text has not been Quraishi dialect which insumilar fashion rest 9 question about disproving "the  Quran’s perfect preservation:  has came from stereotypical accusations & misinterpretations of wahabists due to their enmity with Shias which they have accused shias to beleiving to distortion of Quran  which later has been used by Islamophobes against whole of Muslims.  

 
Sayyed Mohammad Al-Musawi, Sayyed Mohammad al-Musawi is originally from Iraq and heads up the World Ahlul Bayt Islamic League in London. Other than being involved in various humanitarian projects, he frequently responds to...Answered 10 months ago

The Qira'ah which is used by the general Muslim Ummah following the Prophet (SAWA) and his holy Ahlul Bayt ((عليه السلام).) is known as the Qura'ah of Hafs fromAssim  حفص عن عاصم.

It is narrated from Imam Al-Sadiq ((عليه السلام).): (The Qur’an is one, it was revealed from One, but the difference comes from the narrators) (Al-Kafi 2: 630).
Despite having many ways of reciting because of different accents and areas, the correct reading is the well-known reading among Muslims that the nation received with acceptance.
The well-known and famous recitation among Muslims is  the recitation of Assim with the narration of Hafs.
And Assim had taken it from Abi Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami on the authority of Ameerul Mo'mineen Ali (peace be upon him) and he used to offer his reading to Zir bin Hubaish on the authority of Ibn Masoud from Ameerul Mo'mineen Ali (عليه السلام).
It is well known that the imams (peace be upon them) commanded us to recite as people recite.

Wassalam.

https://www.al-islam.org/ask/a-while-back-i-was-in-morocco-and-in-the-mosque-i-was-praying-the-imam-was-reciting-the-quran-in-a-manner-i-was-not-familiar-with-i-have-since-learnt-that-this-was-called-warsh-nafi-is-it-permissible-to-pray-behind/sayyed-mohammad-al-musawi

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Sayyed Mohammad Al-Musawi, Sayyed Mohammad al-Musawi is originally from Iraq and heads up the World Ahlul Bayt Islamic League in London. Other than being involved in various humanitarian projects, he frequently responds to...Answered 2 years ago

Shia great scholars (Maraaji' of Taqleed) allow reciting Quran in any of the famous seven recitations including the Qira'ah of Warsh, although we believe that the Qira'ah of Hafs from 'Aasim is the most authentic as it was taken from Ameerul Mo'mineen Ali (عليه السلام).

We are allowed to pray behind any Muslim following any Muslim sect apart from Shia Islam, but we need to recite Al-Hamd and Sura whispering,bin the first and second Rak'ats for ourselves.

Wassalam.

https://www.al-islam.org/ask/a-while-back-i-was-in-morocco-and-in-the-mosque-i-was-praying-the-imam-was-reciting-the-quran-in-a-manner-i-was-not-familiar-with-i-have-since-learnt-that-this-was-called-warsh-nafi-is-it-permissible-to-pray-behind/sayyed-mohammad-al-musawi

 

With regards to the seven Qira'at of the Quran which reading was the Quran actually revealed in?

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Sayyed Mohammad Al-Musawi, Sayyed Mohammad al-Musawi is originally from Iraq and heads up the World Ahlul Bayt Islamic League in London. Other than being involved in various humanitarian projects, he frequently responds to...Answered 10 months ago

The Qira'ah which is used by the general Muslim Ummah following the Prophet (SAWA) and his holy Ahlul Bayt ((عليه السلام).) is known as the Qura'ah of Hafs fromAssim  حفص عن عاصم.

It is narrated from Imam Al-Sadiq ((عليه السلام).): (The Qur’an is one, it was revealed from One, but the difference comes from the narrators) (Al-Kafi 2: 630).
Despite having many ways of reciting because of different accents and areas, the correct reading is the well-known reading among Muslims that the nation received with acceptance.
The well-known and famous recitation among Muslims is  the recitation of  
Assim with the narration of Hafs.

https://www.al-islam.org/ask/topics/9149/questions-about-Qira'at

 

more information in  https://www.al-islam.org/

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16 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

6. Why are none of the Quranic manuscripts that we have identified as those of Uthman’s standardization?

 

 

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16 hours ago, UnamedK7 said:

10. Why are there differences in qira’at that can only be explained by rasm?

 

Recitations

Main articles: Seven Reciters and Fourteen_Transmissions

Before the 4th/10th century, there were different recitations (qira'at) among Muslims.[34] Some of the factors that led to this diversity were the differences in the copies of the Qur'an, the primitiveness of the Arabic script at the time (especially the lack of diacritics), the various Arabic accents, and the arbitrary recitations by the reciters of the Qur'an.[35]

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Difference between the Fourteen Recitations and the Fourteen Transmissions

Books of Qur'anic sciences sometimes talk about the "Fourteen Recitations" which should not be confused with the "Fourteen Transmissions".[4] The Fourteen Recitations are the seven recitations of the Seven Reciters plus seven other recitations added by some people.[5] Each of these Fourteen Recitations are transmitted in two ways, which yields 28 transmissions overall. But the "Fourteen Transmissions" refers to transmissions of the Seven Reciters of the Qur'an that have been common among Muslims.[6]

In the 4th/10th century, Ibn Mujahid, the master of the reciters of Baghdad, chose seven recitations, attributed to the Seven Reciters (al-Qurra' al-Sab'a), from the existing recitations of the time. Since each of the seven recitations was transmitted through two different chains of transmitters, fourteen recitations emerged, and all were accepted by Muslims.[36]

In the Sunni tradition, it is reported that the Qur'an was revealed in different verbal forms, and people are allowed to choose any of them for recitation.[37] However, Shiite scholars maintain that the Qur'an was revealed only in one verbal form, and the fact that the Imams (a) recognized the variety of recitations was to make the recitation of the Qur'an easier.[38]

The widespread recitation among Muslims is the recitation of 'Asim as transmitted by Hafs. Some Shiite scholars of Quranic sciences today maintain that only this recitation is correct and the others are not taken from the Prophet (s) but are the products of the arbitrary changes made by the reciters.[39]

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Qur'an

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Fourteen_Transmissions

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On 10/14/2023 at 11:10 AM, UnamedK7 said:

Al Salam alikum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatuh. I found a video about 10 question that supposingly disprove the Quran’ preservation. The questions are:

1. Why are some manuscripts corrected to conform to the Hafs text while at the same time changed to differ from it?

2. What is the oldest complete Quran manuscript that matches the 1924 Cairo edition of the Hafs text?

3. Why does the Topkapi manuscript exhibit several different qira’at?

4. Why would Uthman need to standardize the text if Muhammad had a scribe, Zayd bin Thabit, that was writing down the Quran during his lifetime? 
5. If abrogated verses do not need to be part of the Quran, then why are there abrogated verses in today’s Qurans?

6. Why are none of the Quranic manuscripts that we have identified as those of Uthman’s standardization?

7. Why is the Hafs text not in the Quraishi dialect?
8. Did all the ahruf have several qira’at just as how the current recension of the Quran has several qira’at?

9. How is the Quran perfectly preserved if Uthman destroyed other ahruf that were supposedly revealed by Allah?

10. Why are there differences in qira’at that can only be explained by rasm?

for more details on the question, view video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R4ZXCoHrcw&t=283s

This may be as hard for Muslims to understand as it is for Christians. No, you don't have the exact and perfect one.. There is no, "Original" like you are looking for. 
Ashes to ashes, originals decay if they aren't destroyed first. Copies were made, memories were tested, commissions agreed, standards were accepted, books were compiled. 

I've studied a lot of the similar structured Christian questions.
Here's what I've broken it down to.

God, Allah, wrote ten commandments... in stone and we don't even get to see them.
Everything comes to us through humans. Regardless their purest of intents they were all humans. Much of it was oral, much of it was scattered. 
There are archeologists spending millions of somebody's money dusting off old stones and pretending they know what empire, what age they came from. Regardless what they find, there's controversy.
It's now said King Solomon's kingdom was not as large as described, but they cannot be sure what size his it was, they think there was another empire beside it, uh, none the less the Biblical story must have been embellished.  What do you believe? What do you want to believe? Does it make a difference to you? 
Much of the textual criticism of the Bible run along the same lines. 

You can spend a lot of time trying to figure out whether the past is true or not or if it even made a difference but in the mean time, Allah waits for you in your Quran. 
The world wants you to question everything. Let the fools question God's capability to keep His scriptures inspired. They will distract you from what really counts and that is, your time with your book and your God. 

 

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