Hamas Surprise Attack: Operation 'Al-Aqsa Storm'

[kadhim]

22 minutes ago, coldcow said:

But until you suffer with them, your cheering doesn't mean much.

Ahsant. That snide, “easy for you to talk sitting in safety” cuts both ways, innit? 

[Abu Nur]

So yes cheering is not enough as long we literally go there to help them, InshAllah we will and I doubt you will have such a sacrifice out of fear and calculation of perhaps enemy is too powerful.

[Abu Nur]

In the news: Saudi Arabia ends all negotiations on normalisation with Israel. 

https://www.samaa.tv/208732363-saudi-arabia-ends-talks-on-normalization-with-israel-amid-hamas-israel-war

US redoubles Israel support as bombs rain on Gaza

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/10/israel-hamas-war-live-us-redoubles-israel-support-as-bombs-rain-on-gaza

It seems like neocons are really going all war in middle east. 

[Guest Free Palestine]

1 hour ago, kadhim said:

So I just want to summarize here and make sure I understand where some of you stand: 

• War crimes: it only counts if a Jew or an American does it
• There is no such thing as a civilian in Israel, be it man, woman, or child, armed or unarmed, in active service or not. Because the country is militaristic or because they have compulsory military service, or both. Everyone who lives there is fair game.  
• But, see first bullet point above, that only applies to Israel. The same rule doesn’t apply in any of Iran or Turkey or the Arab countries where the same sort of mandatory service exists. If it’s a Palestinian non-combatant or an Iranian, or Lebanese, or Turkish, or what have you, is killed, we enter back into normal logic and it’s a war crime again. 
• But, regardless, this is all fake news anyway.
• If you criticize a Palestinian action, that means you disagree with the notion of resistance in general and also means you approve of everything every Israeli ever has ever done. Because the only allowable approach is to be a mindless cheerleader of one or the other. 

That about sum it up?

Disappointing analysis kadhim, considering you actually tend to view things deeper than just surface level. You are using the same harmful rhetoric the media uses to undermine Palestinian liberation 

[Abu Nur]

4 hours ago, Guest Ya Ali said:

It's not that we can't win. It's that it serves no purpose at this point.

It serve no purpose to end the humiliation and suffering in palestine? 

[kadhim]

13 minutes ago, Guest Free Palestine said:

Disappointing analysis kadhim, considering you actually tend to view things deeper than just surface level. You are using the same harmful rhetoric the media uses to undermine Palestinian liberation 

There’s nothing to analyze. I’m summarizing exactly what people are telling me here. 

[root]

53 minutes ago, kadhim said:

Jumbling up three entirely distinct questions here. 

1. Is it understandable, on some flawed human level, how someone in this situation could lose it and commit atrocities? It’s understandable. I can imagine it. 

2. Is it right, though? Morally, fiqhi-wise?  No. It clearly is not.

3. Does it help or hurt the cause of Palestinian freedom? I assert that the atrocities hurt the cause in a very substantial way that will reveal itself over the coming months and years. A lot of years of hard-won good will was squandered in a day. I don’t think many of you really understand yet how much damage was probably done to the public image of Gazans. There was some ISIS-level brutality done. 

There is a reason we have Islamic standards. It’s not just about being a goody two shoes. Being a beast bites you in the end.. 

Also, the thing to keep in mind is when you behave like a rabid animal, fewer people are going to lift a finger or speak up if someone tries to put you down. 

For someone that makes fun of others understanding of being a Muslim, you sure are quick to formulate fiqhi conclusions. 

Here is a scenario for you. A home invader comes into your home whilst holding his own baby. He kills one of your 4 children, shoots your wife in the spine paralyzing her, and mames your other children. Your family is already ruined and you and your family are kept in the basement with the occational dry bread and dirty water. If you don't deal with the situation you will end up without your home and your family. 

Now be honest instead of your usual British Journalist tactics, what do you do? 

[kadhim]

9 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

It serve no purpose to end the humiliation and suffering in palestine? 

Does suicide end suffering and humiliation? I mean maybe by some measure, but that’s pretty bleak. 

18 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

It seems like neocons are really going all war in middle east. 

It’s frankly not a political position at this point. Pretty much unanimous. 

Everyone is going to give Netanyahu a blank cheque. The G-20 world is going to turn their head while they pulverize Gaza. 

God help those people.

I don’t think anyone else is going to. 

[kadhim]

2 minutes ago, root said:

For someone that makes fun of others understanding of being a Muslim, you sure are quick to formulate fiqhi conclusions. 

Here is a scenario for you. A home invader comes into your home whilst holding his own baby. He kills one of your 4 children, shoots your wife in the spine paralyzing her, and mames your other children. Your family is already ruined and you and your family are kept in the basement with the occational dry bread and dirty water. If you don't deal with the situation you will end up without your home and your family. 

Now be honest instead of your usual British Journalist tactics, what do you do? 

Yeah, akhi. That’s what you do. You lack the courage to answer the hard questions so you chicken out and try to change the subject. Predictable. 

[Abu Nur]

1 minute ago, kadhim said:

Does suicide end suffering and humiliation? I mean maybe by some measure, but that’s pretty bleak. 

You may see it suicide, I don't.

[Irfani313]

There is this defeated mentality and there is this wishful thinking. 
 

Defeated mentality is let it happen as it is, and once some Palestinians react to constant humiliation and bullying, then start braying at top of the lungs because it’s easy to scream at the weak and the poor. This is what some are doing. 
 

Wishful thinking is these sporadic flashes of armed resistance here and some large protests out there would help win freedom from the most vicious, armed to the teeth, and heartless people ever walked on this blue planet. 

Meanwhile tamed and calculated tit for tat on the other side of the border proves that only a sustained, disciplined, and confined to islamic rules of engagement culture of resistance can force this rabid dog to act like a good dog.
 

Acting out just like the enemy won’t do any good to Palestinians quest for freedom. People dancing on burnt tanks, yelling Allah o Akbar while twisting the arm of a female (even if she is a possible combatant) doesn’t help the cause. Although if one looks objectively, the Hamas guy was unloading her from the discomfort of the truck bed into the back seat but what happened in between was shameless, and unworthy of a Muslim warrior. 

Just like the rest of the Sunni world, Palestinians really seemed low on discipline and professionalism. Even though the whole humanity was rejoicing at the humiliation of the homophobe Zio bullies, Hamas combatants’ undisciplined yells and screams reminded the rest of us of the scenes of ISIS Aleppo. They really need to fix their ways specially if they truly seek help from Allah AzzoAjal, who is the ultimate decider of winners and losers.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Irfani313

[Eddie Mecca]

1 hour ago, kadhim said:

Everyone is going to give Netanyahu a blank cheque. The G-20 world is going to turn their head while they pulverize Gaza

Seriously? They're (the Resistance Bloc) playing cat and mouse games with the IDF...they could storm the country from north to south (i.e.Haifa to Beersheba) in 48 hours...all they (Zionists) can do is bomb from the sky like sissies 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

39 minutes ago, Irfani313 said:

This is what Kadhim and ColdCow are doing. 
 

They had their prepared 20 page scripts ready and rehearsed 15 minutes after Hamas carried out the attack

Edited October 11, 2023 by Eddie Mecca

[kadhim]

33 minutes ago, Irfani313 said:

There is this defeated mentality and there is this wishful thinking. 
 

Defeated mentality is let it happen as it is, and once some Palestinians react to constant humiliation and bullying, then start braying at top of the lungs because it’s easy to scream at the weak and the poor. This is what some are doing. 
 

Wishful thinking is these sporadic flashes of armed resistance here and some large protests out there would help win freedom from the most vicious, armed to the teeth, and heartless people ever walked on this blue planet. 

Meanwhile tamed and calculated tit for tat on the other side of the border proves that only a sustained, disciplined, and confined to islamic rules of engagement culture of resistance can force this rabid dog to act like a good dog.
 

Acting out just like the enemy won’t do any good to Palestinians quest for freedom. People dancing on burnt tanks, yelling Allah o Akbar while twisting the arm of a female (even if she is a possible combatant) doesn’t help the cause. Although if one looks objectively, the Hamas guy was unloading her from the discomfort of the truck bed into the back seat but what happened in between was shameless, and unworthy of a Muslim warrior. 

Just like the rest of the Sunni world, Palestinians really seemed low on discipline and professionalism. Even though the whole humanity was rejoicing at the humiliation of the homophobe Zio bullies, Hamas combatants’ undisciplined yells and screams reminded the rest of us of the scenes of ISIS Aleppo. They really need to fix their ways specially if they truly seek help from Allah AzzoAjal, who is the ultimate decider of winners and losers.

I can largely align with this perspective. 

[kadhim]

15 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

He had his prepared 20 page script ready and rehearsed 15 minutes after Hamas carried out the attack

Oh, I’m an agent now? Is that your new script, akhi? I don’t know whether to laugh or be flattered. A bit of both?

Edited October 11, 2023 by kadhim

[ShiaAlliance]

1 hour ago, root said:

For someone that makes fun of others understanding of being a Muslim, you sure are quick to formulate fiqhi conclusions. 

Here is a scenario for you. A home invader comes into your home whilst holding his own baby. He kills one of your 4 children, shoots your wife in the spine paralyzing her, and mames your other children. Your family is already ruined and you and your family are kept in the basement with the occational dry bread and dirty water. If you don't deal with the situation you will end up without your home and your family. 

Now be honest instead of your usual British Journalist tactics, what do you do? 

This scenario doesn't fully apply.  You are sort of using the argument Israel uses against Hamas's civilian human shields.

Its one thing to kill the baby as collateral damage (still not justified in most cases).  Its totally another to purposefully target helpless civilians.

If Hamas purposefully targeted civilians, especially women and children that were simply running away and not fighting back then that is 100% immoral and un Islamic.

Its also another thing to say that such actions are a natural reaction to the brutality committed by Israel against Palestinians.  You crush a people long and bad enough and they will react in unconventional ways.  It still does not make the killing of helpless civilians not fighting back ok.

[AbdusSibtayn]

59 minutes ago, Irfani313 said:

There is this defeated mentality and there is this wishful thinking. 
 

Defeated mentality is let it happen as it is, and once some Palestinians react to constant humiliation and bullying, then start braying at top of the lungs because it’s easy to scream at the weak and the poor. This is what some are doing. 
 

Wishful thinking is these sporadic flashes of armed resistance here and some large protests out there would help win freedom from the most vicious, armed to the teeth, and heartless people ever walked on this blue planet. 

Meanwhile tamed and calculated tit for tat on the other side of the border proves that only a sustained, disciplined, and confined to islamic rules of engagement culture of resistance can force this rabid dog to act like a good dog.
 

Acting out just like the enemy won’t do any good to Palestinians quest for freedom. People dancing on burnt tanks, yelling Allah o Akbar while twisting the arm of a female (even if she is a possible combatant) doesn’t help the cause. Although if one looks objectively, the Hamas guy was unloading her from the discomfort of the truck bed into the back seat but what happened in between was shameless, and unworthy of a Muslim warrior. 

Just like the rest of the Sunni world, Palestinians really seemed low on discipline and professionalism. Even though the whole humanity was rejoicing at the humiliation of the homophobe Zio bullies, Hamas combatants’ undisciplined yells and screams reminded the rest of us of the scenes of ISIS Aleppo. They really need to fix their ways specially if they truly seek help from Allah AzzoAjal, who is the ultimate decider of winners and losers.

Another pin-worthy post. Jazakallah. 

[Hameedeh]

6 hours ago, Laayla said:

Barr refers to the alphabet mafia and I'm quoting her "LGBTQBS"  If you can watch the whole podcast, it's worth it.  Episode 313

Do you want me to timestamp the place she said it?  Why is it every single time I mention anything to do with the alphabet mafia, someone from the admin team removes my comments, pictures, and don't address the censorship they impose on me?

Why are you protecting degenerates?

 

Episode 313, for real? Let me see. Might be worth watching. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 hour ago, Irfani313 said:

Just like the rest of the Sunni world, Palestinians really seemed low on discipline and professionalism. Even though the whole humanity was rejoicing at the humiliation of the homophobe Zio bullies, Hamas combatants’ undisciplined yells and screams reminded the rest of us of the scenes of ISIS Aleppo. They really need to fix their ways specially if they truly seek help from Allah AzzoAjal, who is the ultimate decider of winners and losers.

Mitigating circumstances can at best get excesses explained, but never excused. 

As @notme has also said, we can understand why they did what they did, and we can even take a sympathetic view of their mitigating circumstances, but we can never justify/endorse the excesses. In war, a strict code of professionalism must be adhered to no matter what. Women, children, the sick, the disabled and the elderly (I'd say even plants and animals) are strictly out of bounds. 

Hamas are quite undisciplined and ill-trained compared to Hezbollah or those factions of the Hashd which have had the benefit of IRGC training, and it shows in their operations. They'll have to work on restraining their lads even when their blood is up. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

So apparently the Saudis have halted normalization talks. Limited strategic success and respite for the Palestinians- their fellow Sunni Arabs are not going to offer them on a platter to the Zionists at least immediately.

Bin Salman is looking like a fool just when he thought he had pulled an Amr ibn Aas; his rival Qatar has one-upped him among both the Westerners and the Sunni Arabs by leaping to mediate between Hamas and the West, he has lost the war in Syria and is losing it in Yemen, Iran has surrounded and hemmed him in from three sides, and both his dreams of converting Saudi into a UAE -like Sin City, and himself into the Von Bismarck of the Sunni Arab world, have gone down the gutter. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by AbdusSibtayn

[Eddie Mecca]

18 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

So apparently the Saudis have halted normalization talks

I think the Saudis agreed to mediate with China and Iran as a type of leverage stick maneuver...helps maximize what they can get from Washington...Americans desperately wants the Saudis to remain in their orbit...Saudis realize this and they're milking it for all it's worth...apparently the $110 billion of military armaments they bought from Trump in 2018 wasn't enough...crown prince MBS wants nukes to counter Tehran's imaginary nuclear arsenal...talk about paranoia 

19 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Qatar has one-upped him among both the Westerners and the Sunni Arabs by leaping to mediate between Hamas and the West,

They're trying to arrange a prisoner swap and they're calling for a cessation of hostilities from both sides...Israelis and Hamas aren't done slugging it out though

[Abu_Zahra]

6 hours ago, kadhim said:

War crimes: it only counts if a Jew or an American does it

No

6 hours ago, kadhim said:

There is no such thing as a civilian in Israel, be it man, woman, or child, armed or unarmed, in active service or not. Because the country is militaristic or because they have compulsory military service, or both. Everyone who lives there is fair game.  

There are civilians. However they are living on stolen/usurped land, so it is normal that the people they stole the land from will try to reclaim it. It is also true that many civilians are armed, and this is different from being an unarmed civilian. Even then, this doesn't mean that one can randomly attack civilians, but there are certainly legitimate grounds to detain them. 

6 hours ago, kadhim said:

But, regardless, this is all fake news anyway.

As demonstrated by multiple posts, a lot of the recent footage coming from this conflict is actually old. There is clearly an effort to demonstrate this is a wild attack on civilians, while disguising the fact that it was primarily against the military. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

6 hours ago, kadhim said:

But, see first bullet point above, that only applies to Israel. The same rule doesn’t apply in any of Iran or Turkey or the Arab countries where the same sort of mandatory service exis

Salam mandatory service in Iran utmost lasts for two years which before & after that everyone is a civilian that doesn't hold a military gun in his house & don't attack to land & property of native people in order to destroy everything so then steal their land & property.

6 hours ago, kadhim said:

If it’s a Palestinian non-combatant or an Iranian, or Lebanese, or Turkish, or what have you, is killed, we enter back into normal logic and it’s a war crime again. 

non of hold military guns in their home also don't carry it with themselves in their streets also they don't transport in their cities with bulletproof buses.

Israel's Military-Settler State: There are no Jewish 'civilians' in the West Bank

some of innocent civilian Israeli settlers

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One of the worst recorded attacks this year came on February 26, when a settler militia force, at least 400 strong, descended upon several villages surrounding the Palestinian city of Nablus, including the town of Huwara. 

The settler attack, even described as a pogrom by top Israeli general Yehuda Fuchs, resulted in the murder of a Palestinian man, in addition to the burning down of at least 30 homes and 100 cars. 

In support of the settler assault, Israel’s Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich openly proclaimed that he thought “the village of Huwara needs to be wiped out. I think the State of Israel should do it."

https://fmep.org/resource/24463/#:~:text=The Israeli government has announced that it allocated,serve the settler population in the West Bank.

Israel's Military-Settler State: There are no Jewish 'civilians' in the West Bank

Settlers to get Armored Buses

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The Israeli government has announced that it allocated $4 million (NIS 15 million) to purchase bulletproof, armored buses to serve the settler population in the West Bank. The announcement follows a report by the Israel Hayom outlet that a bus company – Electra Afikim – was close to canceling its service to the settlements because too many of its buses have been damaged by gunfire.

New Yesh Din Report on “Shepherding Outposts”
Yesh Din – an Israeli anti-settlement NGO – issued a new report on October 6th entitled, “Plundered Pastures: Israeli settler shepherding outposts in the West Bank and their infringement on Palestinians’ human rights”. Yesh Din reports that shepherding outposts have been wildly successful in “establishing, expanding, invading and perpetrating violence as means for driving Palestinian shepherds and farmers off of their land.”

 

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In mid-June, another 400 armed Israeli settlers attacked Turmusaya and surrounding villages, torching 30 homes and around 60 cars, additionally resulting in over 100 injuries and the murder of another Palestinian man; while he was attempting to save children. 

The two most notorious far-right members of Israel’s current coalition government are ministers Smotrich and Ben Gvir, both of whom live in illegal settlements and were longtime activists as part of the settler movement. 

https://new.thecradle.co/articles/israels-military-settler-state-there-are-no-jewish-civilians-in-the-west-bank

Israeli settlers flee as Qassam fighters infiltrate settlements

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231007-israeli-settlers-flee-as-qassam-fighters-infiltrate-settlements/

Footage has emerged showing dozens of pieces of Israeli military equipment captured by Palestinians

https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/10/07/footage-has-emerged-showing-dozens-of-pieces-of-israeli-military-equipment-captured-by-palestinians/

Armed Israeli settlers torch Palestinians' homes, vehicles in attack on West Bank village

 

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Mohammad Radi, a Palestinian TV cameraman, told Wafa that gunshots were fired at him and his colleague as they were covering the terrorist attack by nearly 70 fanatic Israeli settlers on the village. Radi added that one gunshot directly hit and damaged their camera.

"We arrived in Umm Safa. There were dozens of settlers. They fired at the village. The moment (one of) the settlers saw us filming, he shot in our direction. Two bullets went into the camera, then the camera blew up from the shooting. Thank god we are safe," he told Reuters.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/06/25/705880/Palestine-Israel-settlers-attack-village-Ramallah-West-Bank

[Eddie Mecca]

4 hours ago, Irfani313 said:

Acting out just like the enemy won’t do any good to Palestinians quest for freedom. People dancing on burnt tanks, yelling Allah o Akbar while twisting the arm of a female (even if she is a possible combatant) doesn’t help the cause. Although if one looks objectively, the Hamas guy was unloading her from the discomfort of the truck bed into the back seat but what happened in between was shameless, and unworthy of a Muslim warrior. 

Just like the rest of the Sunni world, Palestinians really seemed low on discipline and professionalism. Even though the whole humanity was rejoicing at the humiliation of the homophobe Zio bullies, Hamas combatants’ undisciplined yells and screams reminded the rest of us of the scenes of ISIS Aleppo. They really need to fix their ways specially if they truly seek help from Allah AzzoAjal, who is the ultimate decider of winners and losers.

I vehemently disagree...I've watched 20 - 30 videos and I haven't witnessed one act of misconduct on behave of Hamas...please post and share the videos so I can assess properly...I'm seeing a lot of YouTube videos of men in tank-tops, Nike shorts and slippers capturing and dragging Israelis and the caption reads: "Hamas Militant Eats Babies"...Hamas fighters don't wear flipflops...Hamas has seized a large amount of arms and they're  passing them out among the Palestinian citizenry...vigilante groups are forming...people have pent-up frustrations...imagine 70 years of fury and rage released in a matter of minutes...the masses don't understanding all the finer ins-and-outs of Islamic military jurisprudence...adult women serving in the Israeli army are considered enemy combatants...Israeli children are innocent and technically considered 'Muslim' and obviously shouldn't be targeted...folks like @kadhim and @coldcow would criticize Muhammad (peace be upon him)  himself for the transgressions of Khalid and say he's (s) tarnishing the impeccable image of Islam for the entire world to see...the extremely transcendent brand of Islamic idealism they espouse...it's a brand of idealism that they themselves don't adhere to...an idealism no prophet or saint can possibly live up to...an idealism that is detached from reality...a level of idealism that's being used as an excuse to undermine legitimate armed resistance and self-determination...it's not idealism...but rather a calculating pragmatism/soulless cynicism that has caused the hearts to harden and has made them blind to the misdeeds of the Zionist occupier  

Edited October 11, 2023 by Eddie Mecca

[ali_fatheroforphans]

4 hours ago, Guest Ya Ali said:

Palestinians right to land is one thing, and reality is another.  Natives in Canada have many rights, but they won't gain most of them. It's time to accept it.

The whole region can go up in flames, but what we trying to do? Let's think this through. Do we want war? It's heading that way.

Let's say Israel is defeated, what do we gain. We still have illegitimate governments, we still have worldly oriented nation.

This is not just about reclaiming land. This is about the constant oppression that Palestinians have to endure and will continue to endure on a daily basis, attacks on their mosque etc. This is about the Zionist movement which wants to slowly and systematically ethnically cleanse Palestinian people. Those living in the West in the comfort of their homes won't understand what it is like to live in constant fear. Yes, the oppressed will get ultimate Justice in the next world and God is aware of the situation of these people. But living in constant oppression can be detrimental for individuals, communities and societies to flourish. In this state, one is only concerned about surviving rather than going about life. Not to mention the devastating impacts it can have on subsequent generations. That is why it is praiseworthy for people to stand up against oppression because they are keeping the subsequent generations in mind. 

Prophet Muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) had trained and gathered an army because he recognized the threat and constant torture from the polytheists which would not allow Muslims to practice their religion freely and further the message of Islam. The situation was so severe and this is why we see that Prophet Muhammad ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) participated in those early battles of Islam because of the situation. This is also why Qur'an condemned those who ran away because they were being selfish and not thinking about the future. If the early wars had not been waged, Islam would not have reached us till this day. We would not have seen any advancement in the Islamic Intellectual Tradition.  

Don't forget when these big superpowers gain control, they have the upper edge and through this, they engage in epistemic colonization, stripping away other cultures, making everyone think through their lens, reinterpreting sacred texts, infiltrating their ideas and values in the education system. Having a world where everyone is submissive to the global superpowers is the ideal that they want. These superpowers take the moral high ground and everything 'other' is not seen as legitimate. 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

7 hours ago, kadhim said:

There is no such thing as a civilian in Israel, be it man, woman, or child, armed or unarmed, in active service or not. Because the country is militaristic or because they have compulsory military service, or both. Everyone who lives there is fair game.  

 some other innocent Israeli women settlers (Gun fashion)

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-09-28/ty-article-magazine/wild-west-bank-israeli-web-series-follows-women-settlers-who-pack-heat/0000017f-e0f7-df7c-a5ff-e2ffdd4d0000

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/armed-jewish-settlers-storm-palestinian-town-conduct-military-training/

https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-settlers-storm-palestinian-town-carry-out-military-exercises

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/idf/womens-integration-in-idf-infantry-armored-corps-postponed-indefinitely/2023/04/18/

 

[Eddie Mecca]

BREAKING! Syria Shells Israel and Joins Hamas, Hezbollah in Gaza War...2 hours ago...Richard Medhurst...Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, hey goodbye 

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Eddie Mecca

[Ashvazdanghe]

7 hours ago, kadhim said:

If you criticize a Palestinian action, that means you disagree with the notion of resistance in general and also means you approve of everything every Israeli ever has ever done. Because the only allowable approach is to be a mindless cheerleader of one or the other.

Salam nobody has said that all of actions of  Palestinian resistance groups have been good which here we are only discussing about recent operation of Hamas not other  resistance parties which there are some communist or PA fighters which don't have any agreement with them . we only support their rational resistance but we don't accept any propaganda of pro zionist msm lin similar fashionof  social media zombies. 

Israel’s Occupation Is Forcing Palestinians Underground. Literally.

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Mattresses and blankets are piled in the corner and a dusty mirror is hanging on the cavern’s exterior. “The Israelis can’t reach us underground,” says Hanani, whose permanent, stone home has been razed by Israeli authorities several times over the years. The entrance to this cave has also been dismantled on a few occasions, along with his container homes and tents.

 

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But these shepherds’ traditional way of life is now endangered by Israel’s more than half century military occupation of the West Bank. Just a few weeks after the Israeli army took control of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip in 1967, the area of Khirbet Tana was repurposed for Israeli military training and declared a “firing zone.” This was in spite of the fact that Palestinian shepherds had been dependent on these lands to sustain their livelihoods for generations, long before Israel occupied the region.

 

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Land Grabs

“This is the cave where I was born,” says sixty-eight-year-old Muhammad Tawfiq Nasasra, pointing at a cavern opening in the ground. He balances himself on a walking stick and slowly strolls across the village’s rocky terrain.

 

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“There was no Israeli military infrastructure that existed in these areas at this point that could have allowed Israel to convert these lands into training areas,” Etkes tells me. “So it is clear that the idea behind declaring these areas as closed military zones was and still is mainly a political tool to limit the ability for Palestinians to access very large parts of the West Bank.” A result of this land grab is the creation of massive reserves for the future expansion of settlements.

Ariel Sharon, the late Israeli prime minister, said it himself in 1981. In a forty-year-old document found in the Israel State Archives, the then minister of agriculture proposed at a meeting of the Ministerial Committee for Settlement Affairs that land in the South Hebron Hills be allocated to the Israeli army for live-fire training. Sharon put forward the idea in light of the “expansion of the Arab villagers from the hills.”

“We have an interest in expanding and enlarging the shooting zones there, in order to keep these areas, which are so vital, in our hands. . . . Many additional areas for training could be added, and we have a great interest in [the army] being in that place,” Sharon added.

 

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Left With Nothing

Yusef Hanani, thirty-three, and his family built a five-room stone house in 2000. “It was the first time I ever had a modern house,” Yusef says. “It made me very happy. I loved that house.” It also cost him and his father 100,000 Israeli shekels (about $27,500) — a total that took the family years to save.

But the house only stood for less than five years.

 

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A Backyard for Settlements

Over the years, Israeli authorities have carried out numerous demolitions in Khirbet Tana, destroying homes, livestock pens, water cisterns, and tents. Only the local mosque, which was built in the Ottoman era more than a century ago, has remained standing.

The community’s local school, built with funding from the European Union, has not been spared; Israeli authorities have demolished it at least three times. The school was rebuilt about four years ago and now consists of a metal container, with a set of swings and a single slide in front. It has an active demolition order against it and could be demolished any day, residents say.

 

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Seeking Safety Underground

“Why can he live and build here, but we can’t?” Nasasra asks, pointing to the Yzhak Basus Farm in the distant valley. “We were here before them. But he is Israeli and we are Palestinian — that’s the only difference.”

 

https://jacobin.com/2023/05/israeli-occupation-palestinians-underground-west-bank-land-military-housing-livelihood

 

 

a communist sample 

https://the-isleague.com/the-story-of-ein-samiya/

 

[Eddie Mecca]

Don't be surprised if tens of thousands of Lebanese, Jordanian and Egyptian citizens decide to bum-rush Israel and tear it to shreds...the governments won't be able to restrain them 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Eddie Mecca

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 minute ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Don't be surprised if tens of thousands of Lebanese, Jordanian and Egyptian citizens decide to bum-rush  Israel and tear it to shreds 

The question remains if their governments will allow them to do so. 

 

[Diaz]

1 minute ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

The question remains if their governments will allow them to do so. 

 

They won’t, Egypt and Jordan govt r Zionist and Lebanese govt begged Hezbollah not to interfere. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

9 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

BREAKING! Syria Shells Israel and Joins Hamas, Hezbollah in Gaza War...2 hours ago...Richard Medhurst

 

This is going to be bigger than it seemed. 

The Gulf Oil monarchies are clearly no longer in a position to dictate terms of war and peace. The resistance bloc is going to impose the new equation of proportional damage that @Irfani313 was talking of, whether they like it or not. No more hasty patch ups. 

On the flip side, they might use this to declare war on Iran. 

[Eddie Mecca]

5 minutes ago, Diaz said:

They won’t, Egypt and Jordan govt r Zionist and Lebanese govt begged Hezbollah not to interfere. 

I disagree...I can see them doing it

[AbdusSibtayn]

Just now, Eddie Mecca said:

I disagree...I can see them doing it

It is not beyond Sisi or Abdullah to fire on their own people (with American air cover) if they rise up in arms. 

Also I feel that the general populace in those countries have stopped caring about Palestine for quite a while. Palestinians are not popular in Jordan because of their history with the PLO, and Egyptians are apathetic at best, given the secular deracination over generations,and because Arab nationalism is also a thing of the past, done and dusted in the 80s itself. 

[Eddie Mecca]

27 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

This is going to be bigger than it seemed. 

The Gulf Oil monarchies are clearly no longer in a position to dictate terms of war and peace. The resistance bloc is going to impose the new equation of proportional damage that @Irfani313 was talking of, whether they like it or not. No more hasty patch ups. 

On the flip side, they might use this to declare war on Iran.

Iran's ready...Iran might have orchestrated this from the beginning with Russia and China's blessing...Putin's silence on this matter has been deafening..."You will throw off the reigns of the foreign occupier" (End Times Prophesy)…when Jesus descends where are the Muslims lodged up? In Palestine!!!

Edited October 11, 2023 by Eddie Mecca