Hamas Surprise Attack: Operation 'Al-Aqsa Storm'

[mahmood8726]

I think Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is allowing hezb and hamas leaders to be martyred, so that Israelis become too arrogant, not realizing killing leaders doesn't kill an organisation. They're learning this the hard way in Lebanon now, they're doing worse than 2006.

[Diaz]

18 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

I think Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is allowing hezb and hamas leaders to be martyred, so that Israelis become too arrogant, not realizing killing leaders doesn't kill an organisation. They're learning this the hard way in Lebanon now, they're doing worse than 2006.

Last time they said sayid Hassan (رضي الله عنه) is pretending he is dead but actually he is leading the resistance secretly, they think like this because the resistance became stronger once the sayed got martyred. 

[Haji 2003]

6 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

They got Sinwar. 

انا للّٰه و انا الیہ راجعون

 

 

[Abu Nur]

I'm waiting the confirm from Hamas.

[realizm]

إنا لله وإنا إليه راجعون 

 

[realizm]

4 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

I'm waiting the confirm from Hamas.

I was skeptic but the pics and the footage seem to confirm that it was him. It is the same situation that when Sayid Hassan (r) was martyred, the top commandment is missing so you need his backup to take over before giving the green light to communicate.

[Diaz]

19 minutes ago, realizm said:

I was skeptic but the pics and the footage seem to confirm that it was him. It is the same situation that when Sayid Hassan (r) was martyred, the top commandment is missing so you need his backup to take over before giving the green light to communicate.

Yeah I saw the pics too, it look like him exactly specially the teeth and the pimple in his left side near his eyes. 

[Abu Nur]

إنا لله وإنا إليه راجعون 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) join him with the Martyrs with great honor.

[Essentials123]

Inna Allah wa in a ilehrajahoon. May Allah have mercy on him and forgive his sins. So many losses; we cannot get attached too much to leaders; it may be a sign to attach only to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  

[Diaz]

34 minutes ago, Azadeh307 said:

Inna Allah wa in a ilehrajahoon. May Allah have mercy on him and forgive his sins. So many losses; we cannot get attached too much to leaders; it may be a sign to attach only to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).  

I think this is a sign of reappearance of imam mahdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف), am i the only one who has this feelings? 

[Essentials123]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

I think this is a sign of reappearance of imam mahdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف), am i the only one who has this feelings? 

I think so. Just my opinion.

[coldcow]

Israel messed up with Sinwar.  They wanted to publicize his death, thinking it would hurt the morale of Hamas.  But the fact that he was not hiding in a tunnel, that he supposedly threw grenades at soldiers, and threw a stick at that drone, before getting taken out by a tank, only gives him a martyr's death.  Very different than if they had said they found him hiding in a tunnel.  Now they're trying to say that he looked well nourished and what not, to make it seem like he wasn't suffering while making Palestinians suffer.

At the end of the day, I have no sympathy for him.  He orchestrated the killing of hundreds of civilians, including women and children, and their capture.  But God will be his ultimate judge.

[Eddie Mecca]

4 hours ago, coldcow said:

He orchestrated the killing of hundreds of civilians

For the millionth time...there's no such thing as "innocent civilians" in Israel

[Ashvazdanghe]

4 hours ago, coldcow said:

Israel messed up with Sinwar.  They wanted to publicize his death, thinking it would hurt the morale of Hamas.  But the fact that he was not hiding in a tunnel, that he supposedly threw grenades at soldiers, and threw a stick at that drone, before getting taken out by a tank, only gives him a martyr's death.  Very different than if they had said they found him hiding in a tunnel.  Now they're trying to say that he looked well nourished and what not, to make it seem like he wasn't suffering while making Palestinians suffer.

At the end of the day, I have no sympathy for him.  He orchestrated the killing of hundreds of civilians, including women and children, and their capture.  But God will be his ultimate judge.

Salam you have a paradoxical mindset in similar fashion  a bipolar person which at first paragraph you have endorsed martyr Sinwar (رضي الله عنه) so then in second paragraph you have ruined everything by parroting zionist propaganda against him .

[GEU_40]

2 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

For the millionth time...there's no such thing as "innocent civilians" in Israel

Repeating something factually incorrect a million times doesn't make it true.

[Guest Anon]

4 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

Repeating something factually incorrect a million times doesn't make it true.

Children sure. If you’re an adult who lives in “israel” then you are a zionist. And zionism is a problem 

[Abu Nur]

7 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

For the millionth time...there's no such thing as "innocent civilians" in Israel

I don't think anyone expect Israel and US has an intention to kill children's as much possibly. People who think Sinwar had intention to kill Israeli children in October 7 are lunatic.

[mahmood8726]

8 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

For the millionth time...there's no such thing as "innocent civilians" in Israel

They are settlers yes, but it's not justified in islam to kill women and children. 

Did hamas intentionally target women and children on oct 7? I don't think so, I haven't seen proof and hamas denied harming women and children on oct 7, they claimed if it did happen it was an accident, meaning in a shootout or a hamas member went rogue.

Hamas usually tells you when they do a terrorist attack, like when they blow up busses or have someone do a shooting spree in a mall in tel aviv, I did not see them lie about that, they took responsibility for it. Unlike Israel, hamas doesn't lie about these things, if they slaugther women, they will tell you, even when it's wrong in islam.

 

People who talk about oct 7, ignore the fact that hamas was not the only group out, it was also other factions, including the plfp for example who are a bunch of irreligious Marxists/communists or a bunch of Palestinian civilians who wanted to take revenge. One famous example is the palestinian that beheaded a Thai worker with an axe on oct 7, that wasn't even hamas, but it was misattributed to hamas.

Edited October 19, 2024 by mahmood8726

[AbdusSibtayn]

5 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

They are settlers yes, but it's not justified in islam to kill women and children. 

Did hamas intentionally target women and children on oct 7? I don't think so, I haven't seen proof and hamas denied harming women and children on oct 7. Hamas usually tells you when they do a terrorist attack, like when they blow up busses or have someone do a shooting spree in a mall in tel aviv, I did not see them lie about that, they took responsibility for it. Unlike Israel, hamas doesn't lie about these things, if they slaugther women, they will tell you, even when it's wrong in islam.

 

People who talk about oct 7, ignore the fact that hamas was not the only group out, it was also other factions, including the plfp for example who are a bunch of irreligious Marxists/communists or a bunch of Palestinian civilians who wanted to take revenge.

Independent analysts have also confirmed that the overwhelming majority of the targets on October 7 were military personnel. 

The 'raped women' and 'decapitated babies' lies have come undone for a long time now. I don't know why people are ingesting and regurgitating such bile a year later too. 

Edited October 19, 2024 by AbdusSibtayn

[mahmood8726]

Just now, AbdusSibtayn said:

Independent analysts have also confirmed that the overwhelming majority of the targets on October 7 were military personnel. 

So not just 450 idf? Imagine my lack of shock.

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 minute ago, mahmood8726 said:

So not just 450 idf? Imagine my lack of shock.

We have gone back and forth on this with a known clinical contrarian, devil's- advocacy hobbyist and bad-faith arguer (who was banned recently) for pages and pages on this thread and other threads, for months altogether but those who are lost in the jungle are still going around in circles. 

There's a relevant internet nomenclature- 'Sealioning'. 

[islamicmusic]

Meanwhile "Sunni" sheikhs on Turkish TV channels badmouth Yahya Sinwar for being Pro-Iran. This loon is saying if Iran approves a leadership there must be something wrong with him.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DBRCD4bADAo/

[coldcow]

12 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

For the millionth time...there's no such thing as "innocent civilians" in Israel

If you want to use that logic, then there are no innocent civilians in Gaza.  

 

11 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam you have a paradoxical mindset in similar fashion  a bipolar person which at first paragraph you have endorsed martyr Sinwar (رضي الله عنه) so then in second paragraph you have ruined everything by parroting zionist propaganda against him .

No I didn't.  Israel gave him a martyr's death as viewed by Palestinians, and they're publicizing it to give him more fame.  

Meanwhile the Oct 7 attacks resulted in less than 500 military killed, and more than 600 civilians - including women and children.

4 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

I don't think anyone expect Israel and US has an intention to kill children's as much possibly. People who think Sinwar had intention to kill Israeli children in October 7 are lunatic.

What you're saying is "intention to kill children's AS MUCH AS POSSIBLY."  I never said the Oct attacks had the intention to kill women or children as much as possible.  Just that the attack resulted in the killing of many civilians, including many women and children, and he helped orchestrate that.

There sure were a lot of videos of Hamas fighters that went into people's homes that day.  If all they were targetting was military, why go into the kibutz, and break into baracaded homes?  Why go after the music festival people running away?  

There is currently a 1 year old being held hostage by Hamas.

[mahmood8726]

39 minutes ago, coldcow said:

If you want to use that logic, then there are no innocent civilians in Gaza.  

Palestinians are not settler colonialists who are illegally living in someone else's land according to Islamic sharia and basic common sense. Israelis are.

Eddie's problem is he uses this as a pretext to justify the killing of their unarmed women and unarmed men (@Eddie Meccacorrect me If that's not your views), that still isn't allowed in islam. However if an opressed people does it in response to the oppressor killing their innocents, Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will be more forgiving when judging them during yawm al qiyamah understanding that they were opressed, even though they commited a horrible act that is unacceptable in islam. This is atleast what an educated Muslim told me. It's like when native Americans killed innocent white people or when innocent nazi civilians were killed by communists or allied forces.

Israelis see Palestinians as not innocent, because they see them as subhuman and they have a genocidal ideology.

39 minutes ago, coldcow said:

Meanwhile the Oct 7 attacks resulted in less than 500 military killed, and more than 600 civilians - including women and children.

39 minutes ago, coldcow said:

What you're saying is "intention to kill children's AS MUCH AS POSSIBLY."  I never said the Oct attacks had the intention to kill women or children as much as possible.  Just that the attack resulted in the killing of many civilians, including many women and children, and he helped orchestrate that.

Ok, it's not his problem if you're oversimplifying what happened that day. 

1) The Israeli government and it's instutitions have shown a million times that they cannot be trusted and are pathological liars, to the point where even pro american human rights orgs have gotten sick of their lies and many Americans who worked with them, saying they have a "culture of lying" or im paraphrasing "you can't trust the figures comming out of jerusalem". So I wouldn't trust that civilian to soldier ratio.

2) Israeli troops went full Rambo that day on anything that moved with their helis and tanks, wether it was Israeli unarmed settlers "civilians" or Palestinians millitants, potentially slaugthering hundreds of their unarmed israeli settlers. I hope you realise all that destruction you saw was practically unfeasable with ak-47s and yassin 1 rpgs.

3) I don't know why I have to repeat this, but not all groups that came out of Gaza were hamas, many were also non affiliated and many were Palestinian civilians who wanted revenge for the dozens of israeli massacres on Gaza. Dozens of videos have been misattributed to hamas, it's stupid.

Go read what I wrote to @Eddie Mecca on top. 

 

I'm sick and tired of people misrepresenting what happened on oct 7 as this second holocaust "1200 were killed" " 600 civilians were killed", whilst not looking at what actually happened, it's dishonest and disingenuous. I hope you did it out of ignorance.

39 minutes ago, coldcow said:

There sure were a lot of videos of Hamas fighters that went into people's homes that day. 

39 minutes ago, coldcow said:

If all they were targetting was military, why go into the kibutz

Israel puts their millitary bases near civilian areas, this is known. All they were targetting was not just millitary.

39 minutes ago, coldcow said:

, and break into baracaded homes?  Why go after the music festival people running away?  

39 minutes ago, coldcow said:

There is currently a 1 year old being held hostage by Hamas.

To take hostages so Israel releases the 10 thousand Palestinians who have been mostly imprisoned unjustly in israeli torture/r**e camps and have them released with an exchange deal. Do I agree with this? No, do I understand why they did it? Yes, it's called desperation, it's what the communist palestinian groups used to do in the 1970s, they used to commit massacres out of desperation and revenge. When you treat people like dogs, don't expect them to behave in a civil manner, they will resort to terrorism, even though terrorism is a horrible act.

Edited October 19, 2024 by mahmood8726

[Ashvazdanghe]

13 hours ago, coldcow said:

No I didn't.  Israel gave him a martyr's death as viewed by Palestinians, and they're publicizing it to give him more fame.  

Salam Allah has given status of martyr to martyr Sinwar (رضي الله عنه) which rightful all people of AOR whether Palestinian or Iranian & Yemenis & Iraqis & Lebanese have seen him as the martyr by will of Allah which even Zionist Propaganda has shown him as martyr by will of Allah while both of zioinists & Wahabists  have done their best to  humiliate him as a corpse & Ikhwani terrorists & etc which their propaganda against him has acted in opposition of their evil wish . 

13 hours ago, coldcow said:

Meanwhile the Oct 7 attacks resulted in less than 500 military killed, and more than 600 civilians - including women and children.

As @mahmood8726 has mentioned this baseless zionist propaganda has been refuted countless times which there is clear  undeniable evidences which IDF has killed so called civilians even Idf members according to zionist "Hanniabal protocol" so then it has blamed Hamas for everything which still naive people rely on zionist propaganda doctrine .

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Israel has a policy called “the Hannibal Protocol” that it is better to kill Israelis than let them be taken hostage, so you have footage of the IDF killing their own people as they were being taken hostage. Hannibal was a Carthaginian general who poisoned himself rather than allow himself to be captured by the Romans. This “protocol” was first used to kill IDF soldiers in the 1982 war with Lebanon, and then again in 2006.

https://www.unz.com/aanglin/israeli-newspaper-idf-killed-a-lot-of-civilians-during-october-7th-because-of-hannibal-protocol/#:~:text=Israel has a policy called,and then again in 2006

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The Hannibal Directive (Hebrew: נוהל חניבעל, romanized: Nóhal Khanibaál), also translated as Hannibal Procedure or Hannibal Protocol, is the name of a controversial procedure used by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to prevent the capture of Israeli citizens by enemy forces. According to one version, it says that "the kidnapping must be stopped by all means, even at the price of striking and harming our own forces."^[2] It was introduced in 1986, after a number of abductions of IDF soldiers in Lebanon and subsequent controversial prisoner exchanges. The full text of the directive was never published, and until 2003, Israeli military censorship forbade any discussion of the subject in the press. The directive has been changed several times,^[2] and in 2016 Gadi Eizenkot ordered the formal revocation of the standing directive and the reformulation of the protocol.^[3][4]

 

 

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A July 2024 Haaretz investigation revealed that the IDF ordered the Hannibal Directive to be used during the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel.^[9]

In September 2024 ABC News reported on the use of the Hannibal Directive on October 7.^[24]

 

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Military evaluation by opponents

In October 2019 the head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Quds Force, Major-General Qasem Soleimani, gave an interview to Iranian state television on the 2006 Lebanon War. In it he stressed that the use of the Hannibal Directive by the IDF made organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah upgrade their operational planning and make their hostage-taking operations more meticulous, in order to avoid getting their hostages killed by Israeli fire. Describing the 2006 Hezbollah cross-border raid, Soleimani said:

The [Hezbollah] fighters had to cross the border, reach the long-watched Israeli outpost, and take the prisoners. Thus, each operation had to be done so carefully that the Israeli soldiers inside the tanks were not killed. [...] The operation had to be carried out very quickly: not in 15 or 30 minutes, but in a very few minutes or even seconds. They had to move the captured Israeli soldiers very quickly to a safe place before the enemy could reach them (and this is always very dangerous, because the enemy in such cases uses the so-called Hannibal Protocol, i.e. opens fire on its own captured soldiers and Resistance fighters, because he prefers to have dead Israeli soldiers than prisoners that he will later be forced to exchange for imprisoned Resistance fighters). Usually, the enemy is within a few minutes of the point of operation – I mean the ground force, since for the air force it could of course take much less time and the enemy would arrive very quickly. So it had to be designed very precisely.^[83]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive}

IDF used protocol that may have risked civilian lives in Hamas attack – report

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Haaretz shows Hannibal directive employed at three sites to prevent kidnapping of soldiers during 7 October assault

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The Haaretz investigation is the latest reporting by Israeli media shedding light on failures in military intelligence and operational responses around the Hamas offensive, the deadliest single attack on Israeli soil since the founding of the state in 1948.

 

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The Israeli military probably killed more than a dozen of its own citizens during the 7 October attack, a UN investigation found last month.

 

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Another message given to Israel’s Gaza division at 11.22am, about five hours after the attack began, ordered: “Not a single vehicle can return to Gaza.”

A southern command source told the paper: “Everyone knew by then that such vehicles could be carrying kidnapped civilians or soldiers … Everyone knew what it meant to not let any vehicles return to Gaza.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/07/israel-idf-hannibal-protocol-hamas-attack-haaretz

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2024 by Ashvazdanghe

[Haji 2003]

Saudi treading a fine line

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Saudi Arabia’s media regulator has ordered an investigation into officials from the Middle East’s largest media group after one of its television channels broadcast a report describing the slain Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar as a “new face of terrorism”.

The investigation into MBC, a conglomerate founded in London and now majority-owned by the government, highlights the delicate balance Riyadh is seeking to strike in the Middle East conflict: the Hamas and Hizbollah militants being pounded by Israel are its historical foes, but Saudi Arabia is also conscious of the outrage among Muslims and Arabs in the kingdom and across the region at the ferocity of Israel’s year-long assault on Gaza.

https://www.ft.com/content/789f6be7-fd6d-4d82-94b8-44bbdfe8e9b7

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

Saudi treading a fine line

 

https://www.ft.com/content/789f6be7-fd6d-4d82-94b8-44bbdfe8e9b7

Great news, alarabiya and MTV lebanon should be next 

[coldcow]

14 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

has been refuted countless times

No it hasn't.  You choose to believe one side of things.  No one denies that Israel killed its own people that day.  However some of you all use a few examples and apply it to everything to support your version of events.  

I'm not trying to win a debate here.  You can believe whatever you want.  I hope you're right, but I don't think so.

[Haji 2003]

6 hours ago, Diaz said:

Great news, alarabiya and MTV lebanon should be next 

Algeria has banned it too.

[Diaz]

36 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Algeria has banned it too.

banned what?

[Haji 2003]

 

 

13 minutes ago, Diaz said:

banned what?

al arabiya

[Diaz]

1 minute ago, Haji 2003 said:

al arabiya

good news, I hope other countries do this. 

[mahmood8726]

2 hours ago, coldcow said:

No it hasn't.  You choose to believe one side of things.  No one denies that Israel killed its own people that day.  However some of you all use a few examples and apply it to everything to support your version of events.  

I'm not trying to win a debate here.  You can believe whatever you want.  I hope you're right, but I don't think so.

This is isn't about believing what we want, if we wanted to do this, we would deny all the attrocities israels enemies did. Hamas did terrorist attacks in the early 2000s like blowing up settler buses and even did shooting sprees in malls in Israel proper as recently as 2 weeks ago, which they took responsibility for by the way. I'm not denying they did that. I'm just calling out your oversimplification of Oct 7 and how you ignore a lot of facts. 

Calling yehya sinwar who lived his entire life in ooppression from birth in a refugee camp, to his time in prison to him fighting with his own men in the battle feild as an old man in his 60s, as some sort of criminal is not wise. There are many good people in history who commited atrocious things whilst believing what they did was good. Yehya sinwars methods are methods I highly disagree with, I don't like the slaughter of people in malls for example or kidnapping, but I understand where he's comming from, I don't support the blowing up of civilian buses which is terrorism. But the guy is passionate about his cause, that much is very obvious. It's very delusional to expect every good guy to be immam hussein(عليه السلام), this has rarely happened in history. 

 

It's why MBC was hated yesterday, because they called him a terrorist to try and paint him as this yazid(la), when this was just stupid.

Edited October 20, 2024 by mahmood8726

[Haji 2003]

Ehud Barak isn’t impressed either

 

[mahmood8726]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

Ehud Barak isn’t impressed either

 

PR stunt.

"it's just a minority of israeli society" = they're more open about their depravity and terrible intentions than we are. 

 

It's like when they "leaked" prison r**e footage to humiliate Palestinian men specifically.

Edited October 21, 2024 by mahmood8726