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On 10/7/2023 at 8:28 PM, Abu Nur said:

God Essence is Identical to His Attributes is because if they were separated then it means that something eternal has always existed alongside Him. 

Very good point.

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30 minutes ago, PureExistence1 said:

Very good point.

The problem with separating God Essence and His attributes is that we will literally end to this:

1920px-Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-Engli

For example: The God Knowledge Is God and The God Power is God but God Knowledge is not God Power, so God is not God. And If you say God Knowledge is different from God Essence, then they are two separate things. Both of them are literally polytheism.

When we say Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) Is All Knowing and All Powerful, these are really nothing but God "names" that points to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) Essence:

Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever [name] you call - to Him belong the best names." Qur'an 17:110

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On 10/7/2023 at 8:30 AM, 313_Waiter said:

 

Pure ownage. Salafis completely wasted

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7 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

The problem with separating God Essence and His attributes is that we will literally end to this:

1920px-Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-Engli

For example: The God Knowledge Is God and The God Power is God but God Knowledge is not God Power, so God is not God. And If you say God Knowledge is different from God Essence, then they are two separate things. Both of them are literally polytheism.

When we say Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) Is All Knowing and All Powerful, these are really nothing but God "names" that points to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) Essence:

Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever [name] you call - to Him belong the best names." Qur'an 17:110

Also contradicts basic logic. A thing cannot both be and not be something at the same time and place. God's 'external' attributes are either co-eternal with Him  or they are not.

Here they pull out the divine mystery card and say that we cannot understand it, and seek refuge in their bi-la kayf (without asking 'how') doctrine.

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