Why did Imam Hassan (ra) name his sons Abu Bakr and Umar?

[Ibn.alkhattab]

Al Salam aleikom 

shia claim Abu Bakr and Umar (radi Allah anhuma) killed Fatima Al Zahra (رضي الله عنه) by the hands of Abu bakr and Umar. But if they are the murderes, why would name imam Hassan (رضي الله عنه) his 2 sons after the name of the murderers of his mother ? They were born AFTER Fatimas death. And they also got martyred in the fight of kerbala they were among of imam hussains (رضي الله عنه) soldiers. Nobody would name his children after a murderer of his mom or dad would you agree with me ?

and if they really killed her why would a strong man like imam Ali (رضي الله عنه) would just watch ?

most lies about Umar came after the Safavid dynasty , because he destroyed zeorotaism. Sorry for my language I am not a English native speaker.

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14 hours ago, Ibn.alkhattab said:

why would name imam Hassan (رضي الله عنه) his 2 sons after the name of the murderers of his mother ?

Whatever answer you coin would increase the merits of Ahlul Bayt عليهم السلام. 

But my counter question is that why not the 3 caliphs Abu Bakr, Umar & Uthman never named their childrens or even their grand childrens the names of Ahlul Bayt? 

The love of Ahlul Bayt عليهم السلام is made obligatory on every Muslim according to the verse of "Mawaddah":

 قُلْ لَا أَسْأَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ أَجْرًا إِلَّا الْمَوَدَّةَ فِي الْقُرْبَى

Which son/grandson, daughter/grand daughter of these three caliphs have names like Ali, Hassan, Hussain, Fatima? 

If not, why they never named their children the names of Ahlul Bayt?

 

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15 hours ago, Ibn.alkhattab said:

shia claim Abu Bakr and Umar (radi Allah anhuma) killed Fatima Al Zahra (رضي الله عنه) by the hands of Abu bakr and Umar. But if they are the murderes, why would name imam Hassan (رضي الله عنه) his 2 sons after the name of the murderers of his mother ? They were born AFTER Fatimas death. And they also got martyred in the fight of kerbala they were among of imam hussains (رضي الله عنه) soldiers. Nobody would name his children after a murderer of his mom or dad would you agree with me ?

Salam , same thing has been said Imam Ali (عليه السلام) which why he has named two sons as Abubakr & Uthman (named 'Uthman after 'Uthman b. Maz'un ) which Abubakr has been a common teknonym which doesn't belong to Abubakr the first sunni caliph explicitly which in similar fashion Umar has been a common name which which doesn't belong to the Umar the second  sunni caliph explicitly which one of sons of Imam Hasan (عليه السلام) has been Amr which maybe later some people from Sunnis have called him Umar .

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Reliable and well-known historians did not mention the name of 'Umar b. al-Hasan among the Martyrs of Karbala.

Abu Bakr b. al-Imam al-Hasan (a)

In Ziyarah of al-Nahiya al-Muqaddasa, his murderer has been cursed.

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he Battle of Karbala

On the day of 'Ashura, Abu Bakr was martyred after his brother Qasim b. al-Hasan^[6] by an arrow shot by 'Abd Allah b. 'Uqba al-Ghanawi.^[7] His name is mentioned in Ziyarah al-Nahiya al-Muqaddasa (non-famous) and Ziyara Rajabiyya and in Ziyarah of al-Nahiya al-Muqaddasa, his murderer has been cursed.^[8] 

However, in some sources, Harmala b. Kahil al-Asadi has been introduced as his murderer.^[10]

 

Uthman b. al-Imam Ali (a)

Reason of Naming Him

The name of 'Uthman was so common at that time that some sources have mentioned 'Uthamn as the name of 25 companions of the Prophet (s).^[4] On the other hand, Imam 'Ali (a) is quoted saying that he named 'Uthman after 'Uthman b. Maz'un who was one of the companions of the Prophet (s).^[5]

^{https://en.wikishia.net/view/Uthman_b._al-Imam_Ali_(a)}

Abu Bakr b. al-Imam Ali (a)

His teknonym was Abu Bakr, but his name is not known.^[1] His name is said to be 'Abd Allah^[2] or 'Ubayd Allah^[3] or Muhammad al-Asghar.^[4] 

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Abu_Bakr_b._al-Imam_Ali_(a)

sons of Imam Hasan (عليه السلام)

Umar b. al-Imam al-Hasan (a)

 

Name and Lineage

Some reports have stated his name as 'Amr.^[1] Some also stated his name among the children of Imam al-Husayn (a).^[2] But it is famous that he was a child of Imam al-Hasan (a) and his mother was a umm walad (concubine).^[3]

Reliable and well-known historians did not mention the name of 'Umar b. al-Hasan among the Martyrs of Karbala.

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Umar_b._al-Imam_al-Hasan_(a)

Abu Bakr b. al-Imam al-Hasan (a)

 

Name and Lineage

Abu Bakr was son of Imam Hasan b. Ali (a) and his mother was a bondswoman.^[1] Some believe that he and Qasim b. al-Hasan were from one mother^[2] who is mentioned as Ramla.^[3] He was martyred on the day of 'Ashura together with his brothers 'Abd Allah and Qasim.^[4]

In some sources, there is a mistake and he has been mentioned as Abu Bakr b. al-Husayn.^[5]

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he Battle of Karbala

On the day of 'Ashura, Abu Bakr was martyred after his brother Qasim b. al-Hasan^[6] by an arrow shot by 'Abd Allah b. 'Uqba al-Ghanawi.^[7] His name is mentioned in Ziyarah al-Nahiya al-Muqaddasa (non-famous) and Ziyara Rajabiyya and in Ziyarah of al-Nahiya al-Muqaddasa, his murderer has been cursed.^[8] The poems of Sulayman b. Qatah elegizing for the martyrs of Karbala mentions the martyrdom of one of the companions of Imam al-Husayn (a) by a person from Ghanawi tribe which is probably referring to the story of Abu Bakr b. Hasan who was martyred by 'Abd Allah b. 'Aqaba:

"In the tribe of Ghani, there is a blood of us and one day we will take revenge from them."^[9]

However, in some sources, Harmala b. Kahil al-Asadi has been introduced as his murderer.^[10]

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Abu_Bakr_b._al-Imam_al-Hasan_(a)

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There is disagreement about the number of Imam al-Hasan's (a) children. According to al-Shaykh al-Mufid, they were fifteen,^[37] but al-Tabrisi considers them sixteen, among whom was Abu Bakr who was martyred in the event of Karbala.^[38]

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_al-Hasan_b._Ali_al-Mujtaba_(a)

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16 hours ago, Ibn.alkhattab said:

and if they really killed her why would a strong man like imam Ali (رضي الله عنه) would just watch ?

This nonsense  have been refuted countless times in countless debated but Wahabists again & again repeat this too weak nonsense .

” Ali (ع) took hold of ‘Umar’s garment, shook him and threw him on the ground and said, “O son of the black woman! As regarding my right [to succeed the Prophet as the caliph], I have abandoned it for fear people might revert from their religion.

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On p. 136 of Dalaa’il al-Imama دلائل الامامة, we are told that those who attended Fatima’s burial in the darkness of the night were, besides her husband Ali (ع), none other than both her sons al-Hassan and al-Hussain (ع), her daughters Zainab and Umm Kulthum, her maid Fidda and Asmaa daughter of Umays. The author, as quoted on p. 92, Vol. 10 of the newly published edition of Bihar al-Anwar, adds the following: In the morning of the eve in which she (Fatima) was buried, al-Baqi’ was found to have forty new graves. When the Muslims came to know about her death, they went to al-Baqi’ where they found forty freshly built graves, so they were confused and could not identify her grave from among all of them. People fussed and blamed each other. They said, “Your Prophet left only one daughter among you. She dies and is buried while you do not attend her demise or perform the prayers for her or even know where her grave is.”
Those in authority among them said, “Bring from among the Muslims’ women those who would inter these graves till we find her, perform the prayers for her and visit her grave.” The report reached the Commander of the Faithful, Allah’s blessings with him, so he came out furious, his eyes reddened, his veins swollen and wearing his yellow outer garment which he always put on whenever there was trouble, leaning on his sword, Thul-Fiqar, till he reached al-Baqi’. A warner rushed to people to warn them saying, “Here is Ali ibn Abu Talib has come as you can see, swearing by Allah that if anyone moves a brick of these graves, he will kill each and every one of them.”
He was met by ‘Umar [ibn al-Khattab] and some of his companions and said, “What is wrong with you, O father of al-Hassan?! By Allah, we shall inter her grave, and we shall perform the [funeral] prayers for her.” Ali (ع) took hold of ‘Umar’s garment, shook him and threw him on the ground and said, “O son of the black woman! As regarding my right [to succeed the Prophet as the caliph], I have abandoned it for fear people might revert from their religion. As for Fatima’s grave, I swear by the One Who holds Ali’s soul in His hands that if you and your fellows want to do any such thing, I shall let the earth drink of your blood, all of you; so, if you want, stay away from it, O ‘Umar.”
Abu Bakr met him and said, “O father of al-Hassan! By the right of the Messenger of Allah (ص) and by the right of the One on the Arsh, leave him, for we shall not do anything which you dislike.” Ali (ع) left ‘Umar alone. People dispersed and did not make any further attempt. This incident shows the reader how Abu Bakr was blessed with a higher degree of wisdom than ‘Umar.

http://shiastudies.com/en/1611/martyrdom-of-hadrat-fatima-zahra-s-a-2/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Ibn.alkhattab said:

most lies about Umar came after the Safavid dynasty , because he destroyed zeorotaism.

This is only a pure Wahabi propaganda because Zoroastrians still live in Iran which neither umar nor Safavids could completely destroy Zoroastrianism which  defeating of Sasanid empire has been done by Abu Ubayd al-Thaqafi (Ubayd al-Thaqafi) which his achievement has been accustomed by wahabists to Umar the second sunni caliph. 

everything about misdeeds of Umar has been recorded &preserved in both of  Sunni &shia sources although Wahabists  always have tried to justify his wrong deeds by blaming Safavids through baseless & too weak accusations .

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Imam Hasan's (عليه السلام) son name was Abdul Rahman , does it mean he loved the killer of his father?

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On 9/19/2023 at 5:35 PM, Ibn.alkhattab said:

Al Salam aleikom 

shia claim Abu Bakr and Umar (radi Allah anhuma) killed Fatima Al Zahra (رضي الله عنه) by the hands of Abu bakr and Umar. But if they are the murderes, why would name imam Hassan (رضي الله عنه) his 2 sons after the name of the murderers of his mother ? They were born AFTER Fatimas death. And they also got martyred in the fight of kerbala they were among of imam hussains (رضي الله عنه) soldiers. Nobody would name his children after a murderer of his mom or dad would you agree with me ?

and if they really killed her why would a strong man like imam Ali (رضي الله عنه) would just watch ?

most lies about Umar came after the Safavid dynasty , because he destroyed zeorotaism. Sorry for my language I am not a English native speaker.

Walaykumsalaam

Many Shias do not believe Caliph Umar killed Sayedda fatima.

This is a sectarian myth, that comes from a book the majority of scholars say is Dai'f - weak.

It is highly improbable that the lion of Allah would just watch when Umar attacks his wife. What we all accept, including Sunnis, is that a threat was made to burn the house down as Ali opposed Saqifah and did not give Bayah for six whole months until the death of Fatima. 

However, it is highly unlikely he attacked the house.

Please watch this video:

 

 

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On 9/28/2023 at 7:33 AM, ParadisePath said:

Imam Hasan's (عليه السلام) son name was Abdul Rahman , does it mean he loved the killer of his father?

Imam Ali had childen named Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman.

Imam Hassan also had a child named Abu Bakr and Umar

Imam Hussain also had a son named Abu Bakr.

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Abu Bakr was not a common name, it was only found in one companion - it is a Kunya and not a name.

My theory is that the Ummayads forced this on the members of the Ahlulbayt.