Need to know meaning of this word...

[Solo_Ta72]

Salam alaikum

I wanted to know whats the actual meaning of the word الثرا the word appears in Surah taha verse 6 (20:6)..

Although translated as soil... some Arabic grammars say it means Earth as a planet for example lane lexicon and another arabic grammar says in the context of this verse it means Earth...

Just wanted to know the actual meaning of this word...

jazakAllah khair 

[Rohani]

10 hours ago, Solo_Ta72 said:

Salam alaikum

I wanted to know whats the actual meaning of the word الثرا the word appears in Surah taha verse 6 (20:6)..

Although translated as soil... some Arabic grammars say it means Earth as a planet for example lane lexicon and another arabic grammar says in the context of this verse it means Earth...

Just wanted to know the actual meaning of this word...

jazakAllah khair 

الثَّرَى}: التراب النديّ، والمراد بما تحت الثرى: ما

في جوف الأرض.

According to min wahi al Quran it is a moist soil. Turab* wa alaykom Salaam 

[Solo_Ta72]

1 hour ago, Rohani said:

الثَّرَى}: التراب النديّ، والمراد بما تحت الثرى: ما

في جوف الأرض.

According to min wahi al Quran it is a moist soil. Turab* wa alaykom Salaam 

jazakAllah

Well i have seen all grammars say it means moist soil

But according to some in this verse it means Earth 

[Rohani]

2 hours ago, Solo_Ta72 said:

jazakAllah

Well i have seen all grammars say it means moist soil

But according to some in this verse it means Earth 

Do they mean earth as in soil ?

[Ashvazdanghe]

11 hours ago, Solo_Ta72 said:

jazakAllah

Well i have seen all grammars say it means moist soil

But according to some in this verse it means Earth 

Salam it means all of them which verse menas that Allah is owner of everything which is in skies and all of planets whether on surface or beneath of earth as one  of planets .

Translation taken from Tafsir Khosravi by Alireza Khosravani, volume 5, page 442
What is in the heavens and what is on the earth, and what is between them and what is under the ground, all belong to Him and his property, and all are under His control and knowledge, and He is the owner and manager of them.

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Translation taken from Hujjat al-Tafaseer Abdul Hajah Balaghi, volume 4, page 162
From Him is forgiving what is in the heavens and what is on the earth, and what is between the heavens and the earth, and what is under the earth (from: burials, mines, treasures, and the dead(s)).

https://quran.inoor.ir/fa/ayah/20/6/

 Imam Ali (Ahmed bin Muhammad Barqi) says: Jathliq asked Amirul Momineen: "Tell me... where is God the Most High"? He said: "Here, there, up and down, He is surrounder to us and with us, and this is his word: There is no telling secrets Three people except that He is the fourth of them, and not five people except that He is the sixth of them, and no less than that and no more than that except that He is with them wherever they are.

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Have you not regarded that Allah knows whatever there is in the heavens and whatever there is in the earth? There dost not takes place any secret talk among three, but He is their fourth [companion], nor among five but He is their sixth, nor when they are less than that or more but He is with them wherever they may be. Then He will inform them about what they have done on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah has knowledge of all things. (7)

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/58:7

And the Kursi (throne) is surrounder of heavens and the earth: وَ ما بَیْنَهُما وَ ما تَحْتَ الثَّری.

Ali said: "It is true that the angels lift the throne, and the throne is not as you think it is in the form of a throne. But it is something limited that fits in size and is created by Allah who plans it and your Lord Almighty He is the owner of it, not the one who is on top of it; like being something on top of something, and he ordered the angels to carry it, and the angels will carry the throne with the power he gave them." Nasrani said: "You said the truth, may God have mercy on you. ».

Tafsir Ahl al-Bayt, peace be upon them, vol.9, p.182 , Al-Towhid p 316

 

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أمیرالمؤمنین (علیه السلام)- عَنْ أَحْمَدَ‌بْنِ‌مُحَمَّدٍ الْبَرْقِیِّ رَفَعَهُ قَالَ: سَأَلَ الْجَاثَلِیقُ امیرالمؤمنین (علیه السلام) فَقَالَ فَأَخْبِرْنِی عَنِ اللَّهِ عَزَّوَجَلَّ أَیْنَ هُوَ فَقَالَ (علیه السلام) هُوَ هَاهُنَا وَ هَاهُنَا وَ فَوْقُ وَ تَحْتُ وَ مُحِیطٌ بِنَا وَ مَعَنَا وَ هُوَ قَوْلُهُ ما یَکُونُ مِنْ نَجْوی ثَلاثَةٍ إِلَّا هُوَ رابِعُهُمْ وَ لا خَمْسَةٍ إِلَّا هُوَ سادِسُهُمْ وَ لا أَدْنی مِنْ ذلِکَ وَ لا أَکْثَرَ إِلَّا هُوَ مَعَهُمْ أَیْنَ ما کانُوا فَالْکُرْسِیُّ مُحِیطٌ بِالسَّمَاوَاتِ وَ الْأَرْضِ وَ ما بَیْنَهُما وَ ما تَحْتَ الثَّری.

امام علی ( احمدبن‌محمّد برقی گوید: جاثلیق از امیرالمؤمنین (پرسید: «به من بگو... خدا عزّوجلّ کجا است»؟ فرمود: «اینجا، آنجا، بالا پایین، فراگیرنده به ما و به‌همراه ما و این است کلام او: نیست رازگویی سه‌کس جز آنکه او چهارم آن‌ها است و نه پنج‌کس جز آنکه او ششمی آن‌ها است، و نه کمتر از آن و نه بیشتر جز آنکه او به همراه آن‌ها است هرکجا باشند. (مجادله/۷). و کرسی محیط به آسمان‌ها و زمین است: و وَ ما بَیْنَهُما وَ ما تَحْتَ الثَّری.

تفسیر اهل بیت علیهم السلام ج۹، ص۱۸۲ بحار الأنوار، ج۵۵، ص۹

Tafsir Ahl al-Bayt, peace be upon them, vol.9, p.182 , Bihar al-Anwar, vol.55, p.9

 

 

Imam Ali (one of the questions that a Jew asked the Commander of the Faithful was: "Does your Lord carry or is he carried?" Imam Ali said: "My Lord carries everything to the best of His ability, and nothing can withstand His greatness." He said: "How does God say: Eight people will carry the throne of your Lord on their shoulders on this day?" (Al-Haqqa/17). The Imam said: "O Jew, don't you know what is in the heavens, what is in the earth, and what is between them." , and what is under the [hidden] soil belongs to Him. Everything is based on the soil; and the soil is subject to the ability of Allah, and the ability of Allah bear  everything."

Tafsir Ahl al-Bayt, peace be upon them, vol.9, p.180, Bihar al-Anwar, vol.3, p.317/Bahara al-Anwar, vol.10, p.3/Nur al-Thaqalain

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أمیرالمؤمنین (علیه السلام)- فِی مَسَائِلِ الْیَهُودِیِّ عَنْ امیرالمؤمنین (علیه السلام) قَالَ لَهُ فَرَبُّکَ یَحْمِلُ أَوْ یُحْمَلُ قَالَ إِنَّ رَبِّی عَزَّوَجَلَّ یَحْمِلُ کُلَّ شَیْءٍ بِقُدْرَتِهِ وَ لَا یَحْمِلُهُ شَیْءٌ قَالَ فَکَیْفَ قَوْلُهُ عَزَّوَجَلَّ وَ یَحْمِلُ عَرْشَ رَبِّکَ فَوْقَهُمْ یَوْمَئِذٍ ثَمانِیَةٌ قَالَ یَا یَهُودِیُّ أَ لَمْ تَعْلَمْ أَنَّ للهِ ما فِی السَّماواتِ وَ ما فِی الْأَرْضِ وَ ما بَیْنَهُما وَ ما تَحْتَ الثَّری فَکُلُّ شَیْءٍ عَلَی الثَّرَی وَ الثَّرَی عَلَی الْقُدْرَهًِْ وَ الْقُدْرَهًُْ تَحْمِلُ کُلَّ شَیْءٍ.

امام علی ( یکی از سؤال‌هایی که یهودی از امیرالمؤمنین (پرسید این بود: «پروردگار تو حمل می‌کند یا حمل می‌شود»؟ حضرت فرمود: «پروردگار من همه چیز را به توانایی خود حمل می‌کند و هیچ‌چیز تاب تحمّل عظمت او را ندارد». عرض کرد: «چگونه خدا می‌فرماید: عرش پروردگار تو را در این روز هشت تن بر دوش خود می‌کشند؟. (الحاقه/۱۷). حضرت فرمود: «ای یهودی مگر نمی‌دانی آنچه در آسمان‌ها، و آنچه در زمین، و آنچه میان آن دو، و آنچه در زیر خاک [پنهان] است، از آن اوست. هرچیز بر خاک استوار است؛ و خاک به توانایی خدا بر قرار است و توانایی حق هرچیزی را تحمّل می‌کند».

تفسیر اهل بیت علیهم السلام ج۹، ص۱۸۰

 بحار الأنوار، ج۳، ص۳۱۷/ بحارا لأنوار، ج۱۰، ص۳/ نورالثقلین

http://alvahy.com/طه/6

12 hours ago, Rohani said:

الثَّرَى}: التراب النديّ، والمراد بما تحت الثرى: ما

في جوف الأرض.

According to min wahi al Quran it is a moist soil. Turab* wa alaykom Salaam 

 

[Solo_Ta72]

11 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam it means all of them which verse menas that Allah is owner of everything which is in skies and all of planets whether on surface or beneath of earth as one  of planets .

Translation taken from Tafsir Khosravi by Alireza Khosravani, volume 5, page 442
What is in the heavens and what is on the earth, and what is between them and what is under the ground, all belong to Him and his property, and all are under His control and knowledge, and He is the owner and manager of them.

https://quran.inoor.ir/fa/ayah/20/6/

 Imam Ali (Ahmed bin Muhammad Barqi) says: Jathliq asked Amirul Momineen: "Tell me... where is God the Most High"? He said: "Here, there, up and down, He is surrounder to us and with us, and this is his word: There is no telling secrets Three people except that He is the fourth of them, and not five people except that He is the sixth of them, and no less than that and no more than that except that He is with them wherever they are.

And the Kursi (throne) is surrounder of heavens and the earth: وَ ما بَیْنَهُما وَ ما تَحْتَ الثَّری.

Ali said: "It is true that the angels lift the throne, and the throne is not as you think it is in the form of a throne. But it is something limited that fits in size and is created by Allah who plans it and your Lord Almighty He is the owner of it, not the one who is on top of it; like being something on top of something, and he ordered the angels to carry it, and the angels will carry the throne with the power he gave them." Nasrani said: "You said the truth, may God have mercy on you. ».

Tafsir Ahl al-Bayt, peace be upon them, vol.9, p.182 , Al-Towhid p 316

 

Tafsir Ahl al-Bayt, peace be upon them, vol.9, p.182 , Bihar al-Anwar, vol.55, p.9

 

 

Imam Ali (one of the questions that a Jew asked the Commander of the Faithful was: "Does your Lord carry or is he carried?" Imam Ali said: "My Lord carries everything to the best of His ability, and nothing can withstand His greatness." He said: "How does God say: Eight people will carry the throne of your Lord on their shoulders on this day?" (Al-Haqqa/17). The Imam said: "O Jew, don't you know what is in the heavens, what is in the earth, and what is between them." , and what is under the [hidden] soil belongs to Him. Everything is based on the soil; and the soil is subject to the ability of Allah, and the ability of Allah bear  everything."

Tafsir Ahl al-Bayt, peace be upon them, vol.9, p.180, Bihar al-Anwar, vol.3, p.317/Bahara al-Anwar, vol.10, p.3/Nur al-Thaqalain

http://alvahy.com/طه/6

 

jazakAllah khair

Wsalam 

All the meanings are correct (earth land and sand)?

[Ashvazdanghe]

10 hours ago, Solo_Ta72 said:

All the meanings are correct (earth land and sand)?

Salam all are correct which means whole of earth or other planets whether on surface or under surface of earth or other planets .