When is Arbaeen?

[Lion of Shia]

What month is Arabeen?Is it end of this month or early september?

[Hameedeh]

1 minute ago, Lion of Shia said:

What month is Arabeen?Is it end of this month or early september?

Salam. In the US, it is probably September 5 or 6. We need to know when the Ominous Month of Safar begins. Arbaeen is always Safar 20. 

[ShiaChat Mod]

Tomorrow (Wednesday, September 06, 2023) is Arbaeen in the US and Canada. Condolences. 

@Lion of Shia 

[Hameedeh]

Until the ShiaChat Calendar is fixed, please use this topic for notifications on the Islamic calendar events:

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235054423-shiachat-calendar/

[Diaz]

46 minutes ago, ShiaChat Mod said:

Tomorrow (Wednesday, September 06, 2023) is Arbaeen in the US and Canada. Condolences.

Yes same for us here in Middle East, depend on the followers tho. 

 

we should do this on arbaeen or after? 
 

[Hameedeh]

@Diaz Brother, the picture that you posted says what time of day to do the amal: Before zuhr, after zuhr, during sunset, after isha, etc.

[Diaz]

7 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

@Diaz Brother, the picture that you posted says what time of day to do the amal: Before zuhr, after zuhr, during sunset, after isha, etc.

No sister I’m talking about if we should do it on arbaeen or after? Because it says we should do it after but some said on the same day

Edited September 6 by Diaz

[ShiaChat Mod]

9 hours ago, Diaz said:

No sister I’m talking about if we should do it on arbaeen or after? Because it says we should do it after but some said on the same day

Usually make ghusl the night before, because the Arabic day starts at sunset, and you want to pray special duas after Maghrib and Isha prayers, before you go to sleep that night. When you wake up, on Arbaeen Day, make ghusl again if you need to before Fajr prayers. If you want to make a special ghusl, you need to do it before you pray Zuhr and Asr prayers on Arbaeen Day, because Imam Hussein AS was martyred afternoon on Arbaeen Day.  

[Diaz]

44 minutes ago, ShiaChat Mod said:

Usually make ghusl the night before, because the Arabic day starts at sunset, and you want to pray special duas after Maghrib and Isha prayers, before you go to sleep that night. When you wake up, on Arbaeen Day, make ghusl again if you need to before Fajr prayers. If you want to make a special ghusl, you need to do it before you pray Zuhr and Asr prayers on Arbaeen Day, because Imam Hussein AS was martyred afternoon on Arbaeen Day.  

Thank you brother for informing me, unfortunately you replied really late and I forgot today was arbaeen because I did other stuff since morning.  

[ShiaChat Mod]

32 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Thank you brother for informing me, unfortunately you replied really late and I forgot today was arbaeen because I did other stuff since morning.  

It is never too late. Do amal whenever you can. Be prepared for next year, insha Allah. 

[In Gods Name]

Arbaaen has no basis in our religion. The Imams of Ahlulbayt never were known to have observed it. If they didn't do it, i'm happy not doing it either.

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 10/19/2023 at 11:59 AM, In Gods Name said:

Arbaaen has no basis in our religion. The Imams of Ahlulbayt never were known to have observed it. If they didn't do it, i'm happy not doing it either.

Salam this  is totally a Wahabi statement  which there is famous statement from imam Hasan Askari (عليه السلام) about practicing Arbaeen as one of 5 signs of a real pious believer also all infallible Imams have visited grave of imam Hussain at  least one time although of heavy observance of cursed Umayyads so then Abbassid  over them  & banning visiting his blessed tomb in any time which in opposition infallible Imams  have highly encouraged shias to doing it which it has been recorded in many authentic narrations which surly Arbaeen pilgrimage has been existed before time of Imam Hasan Askari (عليه السلام)  which he has mentioned it as one of 5 signs of a real pious believer which it has been always has been denied by followers of cursed Umayyads so then Abbassid which Wahabist are their new advent of them .

SHAFAQNA – It is narrated from Imam Hassan Askari (عليه السلام) who said: Five signs of the believer are: To perform 51 Rok’ats of Salaat (per day/per 24 hours; including Wajib as well as Mostahab Salaats), Ziarat Arbaeen, wearing ring on the right hand, placing forehead (to prostrate) on the (natural) soil, and say “Besmellah-e-Rahman-e-Rahim, loudly in Salaats [1].

[1] Wasaelul Shia, Vol. 10, Page 373 & many other authentic references.

Imam Askari (عليه السلام) ties the survival of Islam, particularly Shia Islam to Ziarat Arbaeen, because the movement of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) was the cause of the revival of Islam and Shia Islam. Imam Askari (عليه السلام) wanted all the slogans and aims of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) to remain alive; therefore, he mentioned these signs for the believer. 

https://en.shafaqna.com/55505/ziarat-arbaeen-emphasized-imam-hassan-askari/

[In Gods Name]

On 10/21/2023 at 2:27 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam this  is totally a Wahabi statement 

It's a statement made by Sayed Kamal Hayderi and evidenced too. Arbaeen is just one of the growing additions to our sect we keep seeing. Shia Islam in 2050 will be very different to what it is today.

[Ashvazdanghe]

23 hours ago, In Gods Name said:

It's a statement made by Sayed Kamal Hayderi and evidenced too

Statement of a controversial person from weak evidences doesn't make it invalid 

 

23 hours ago, In Gods Name said:

Shia Islam in 2050 will be very different to what it is today.

You are a prophet or something like that !!!??  which in opposition to your prophecy shia Islam has been remained intact until now although due to increasing knowledge & education of common people so therefor many weired & bizarre actions likewise Tatbir which  has no root in shia Islam will be wiped out inshAllah likewise wiping out in 2050. inshAllah . 

[In Gods Name]

2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

You are a prophet or something like that !!!??  which in opposition to your prophecy shia Islam has been remained intact until now although due to increasing knowledge & education of common people so therefor many weired & bizarre actions likewise Tatbir which  has no root in shia Islam will be wiped out inshAllah likewise wiping out in 2050. inshAllah . 

What about Ziyarah to Zuljenah?

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

6 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

What about Ziyarah to Zuljenah?

It has no basis  also it's just an abusurd accusation by Wahabists against Shias of Pakistan . 

[In Gods Name]

2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Statement of a controversial person from weak evidences doesn't make it invalid 

 

You are a prophet or something like that !!!??  which in opposition to your prophecy shia Islam has been remained intact until now although due to increasing knowledge & education of common people so therefor many weired & bizarre actions likewise Tatbir which  has no root in shia Islam will be wiped out inshAllah likewise wiping out in 2050. inshAllah . 

To you, Pilgrimage in Iran , in multiple Iranian tombs of the ale of Muhammed is worth more than visiting the house built by Nabi Ibrahim , the sacred K'aba where the holiest of all pilgrimage, the Hajj is performed?

 

[In Gods Name]

1 minute ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

It has no basis  also it's just an abusurd accusation by Wahabists against Shias of Pakistan . 

Find me a single narration which shows the Imams performing the Arbaeen walk?

 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

20 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

Find me a single narration which shows the Imams performing the Arbaeen walk?

it has been emphsized by imam Hasan Askari also Imam Sajjad has been first person from infallible Imams who has done it which it's available in shia sources .

22 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

To you, Pilgrimage in Iran , in multiple Iranian tombs of the ale of Muhammed is worth more than visiting the house built by Nabi Ibrahim , the sacred K'aba where the holiest of all pilgrimage, the Hajj is performed?

 

This is another wahabi accusation from you which clearly only visiting   Karabal & Najaf & shrine of imam reza (عليه السلام) have this reward also there is no contradiction between visiting K'abab 7 visiting these places which you only play with words to justify your wahabi hatred toward Iran . 

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, In Gods Name said:

What about Ziyarah to Zuljenah?

 

I have never heard about this in my whole life. 
 

Anyway it’s your choice if you want to do ziyarah brother but you can’t say it’s not practiced my our imam (عليه السلام) without valid evidence.

 

We all know Daily prayer obligatory, Night prayer is one of the best prayers yet it’s not obligatory. We can say the same for Hajj and ziyarah. 

[In Gods Name]

2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

it has been emphsized by imam Hasan Askari also Imam Sajjad has been first person from infallible Imams who has done it which it's available in shia sources .

 I am open minded, show me the ale of Muhammed performing a long walk on the 40th?

[Ashvazdanghe]

17 hours ago, In Gods Name said:

 I am open minded, show me the ale of Muhammed performing a long walk on the 40th?

Sala i highly doubt about your being open minded which you have repetitive & circular mindset for parroting Wahabi accusations against Shias . 

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According to Qadi Tabataba'i,^[4] the movement to Karbala in Arba'in, have always been common among Shi'as, even in the time of Umayyad and Abbasids.

 [4] Qāḍī Ṭabāṭabāyī, Taḥqīq darbāra-yi awal-i abaʿīn, p. 2.

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Recommendation

The Arba'in of Imam al-Husayn (a) is the twentieth of Safar. In his books Tahdhib and Misbah, Al-Shaykh al-Tusi narrates from Imam al-Hasan al-'Askari (a) that the signs of a believer are five:

• Praying fifty-one rak'as each day, (Seventeen rak'as are the obligatory prayers, and 34 rak'as are the nafila prayers)
• Ziyarat al-Arba'in
• Wearing a ring on the right hand
• Performing sujud on soil
• Saying "Bism Allah al-Rahman al-Rahim" (In the name of God the all-beneficent the all-merciful) aloud in prayer.^[1]

[1] Ṭūsī, Tahḍīb al-aḥkām, vol. 6, p. 52.

Method of Ziyara

Al-Shaykh al-Tusi has transmitted from Safwan al-Jammal in al-Tahdhib"^[2]

"About ziyara al-Arba'in, my master Imam al-Sadiq (a) told me, 'when a part of the day is passed, recite this ziyara. (Click here to see the text)
Then perform two rak'as of prayer and supplicate for what you want.'"

 

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Ziyarat_al-Arba'in

from translation Farsi section

Sheikh Tusi quoted from Imam Hasan Askari (عليه السلام) that the signs of a believer are five things, and one of them is the Zyarat Arbaeen. Allamah Majlisi (رضي الله عنه) about recommendation of Zyarat Arbaeen has mentioned most famous is that reason of recommendation , returning  the captives of Karbala to Karbala and joining the heads of the martyrs to their bodies by Imam Sajjad ((عليه السلام).) [2] He considered it unlikely that the captives would return to Karbala on the first Arbaeen and said that the pilgrimage of Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari may be recommendation aspect of the Zyarat Arbaeen . Since he was the first pilgrim to the grave of Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام).), it was considered mustahabb to visit him on the day of Arbaeen. From his point of view, it may be that the reason for the recommendation is the releasing of the captives of Karbala from captivity and imprisonment on this day. [3] Allameh Majlisi has quoted from Kaf'ami that the reason for naming the zyarat Arbaeen  is the time when it is the 20th of Safar and coincides with the 40th martyrdom of Imam Hussain. A)[4]

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 مجلسی، بحار الانوار، ۱۴۰۳ق، ج۹۸، ص۳۳۴.

[2] Majlisi , Bihar Al-anwar  , v 98, p 334

مجلسی، بحار الانوار، ۱۴۰۳ق، ج۹۸، ص۳۳۴.

[3]Majlisi , Bihar Al-anwar  , v 98, p 334

 مجلسی، بحار الانوار، ۱۴۰۳ق، ج۹۸، ص۳۳۴.

[4] Majlisi , Bihar Al-anwar  , v 98 ,p 334

 

https://fa.wikishia.net/view/زیارت_اربعین

translation from Farsi source

During the period of Imam Sadiq ((عليه السلام).), the atmosphere became more open and even writing poetry and Marathi was encouraged, and poetry plays an important role in perpetuating the Karbala event and stimulating emotions. Therefore, he encourages people like Abu Amara Manshad,[4] Jafar bin Affan[5] and Abu Harun Makfouf[6] to write poems for Hazrat Abu Abd Allah al-Hussein (عليه السلام). During the time of Imam Reza ((عليه السلام).), we see that poets such as Di'bil Khuzāʿī [7] were noticed by the imam for writing Ashura poems. Also, the continuation of holding funeral gatherings in homes and expressing the virtue of reciting poetry in the mourning of Abi Abdullah ((عليه السلام).) and going to visit him in any condition and on various occasions and encouraging  to Zayart Arbaeen are some of the characteristics of this era.

[7] https://en.wikishia.net/view/Di'bil_b._'Ali_al-Khuza'i

The title "Zyarat Arbaeen " goes back to the time of Imam Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) and it is strange that despite the fear and fear of the oppressive government, people asked the Imam whether to go to the pilgrimage of Hazrat Seyyed al-Shahada despite the fear of informers and agents of the government. ? And the Imam said to go.[8] This is despite the fact that the Shia jurists in the issue of Hajj have stated that one of the conditions of ability is «تخلیه سرب»; It means that there must be security and if there is no security, the ability cannot be realized; But in the case of the pilgrimage of Seyyed al-Shahada ((عليه السلام).), even with the lack of security, people were encouraged to visit.

After this, it has been encouraged to visit him on various occasions. In the 14th volume of Wasa'il al-Shi'a, at the end of the book of Hajj, the pilgrimage occasions of Seyyed al-Shahada (عليه السلام) are mentioned[9]

In this section, we only mention its occasions and chapters in the Wasa'il:

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استحباب تکرار زیارة الحسین(ع)؛ استحباب زیارة النساء؛ کراهة ترک زیارت الحسین(ع)؛ استحباب المشی إلی زیارة الحسین(ع)؛ باب استحباب الاستنابة فی زیارت الحسین(ع).

Or in various occasions and situations:

(That is, even if you have to travel the sea by ship, it is still recommended to visit Sayyed al-Shahada (AS)[10] . or on special occasions and times[11]

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استحباب زیارت الحسین(ع) ولو رکب البحر؛[10] (یعنی حتی اگر ناگزیر از پیمودن دریا با کشتی باشید، باز زیارت سیدالشهدا(ع) مستحب است). یا در مناسبت ها و زمان های خاص[11] مانند: استحباب زیارت الحسین(ع) لیلة عرفة؛ فی اول رجب؛ فی النصف من شعبان؛ لیلة النصف من شعبان بکربلاء؛ استحباب زیارت الحسین(ع) لیلة القدر؛ لیلة الفطر؛ لیلة عاشورا؛ یوم الاربعین؛ استحباب زیارت الحسین(ع) کل لیلة جمعة.

 

But regarding the day of Arbaeen, we find this chapter in Volume 14 of Al-Wasa'il al-Shia[12]: "The chapter on emphasizing the importance of visiting Al-Husayn ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) on the day of Arbaeen,from his martyrdom, and on the day of the 20th,of Safar

."«باب تأکّد استحباب زیارت الحسین(ع) یوم الأربعین من مقتله و هو یوم العشرین من صفر».

It expresses the emphasis on recommendation that is mentioned here by bringing some narrations.

The meaning of Zyarah Arbaeen pilgrimage is the pilgrimage of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) on the day of Arbaeen, due to numerous evidences from the statements of scholars from the time of Sheikh Mofid and Sheikh Tusi to the time of Seyyed Ibn Tawus and then Allameh Hilli, the first martyr, Kaf'ami, Sheikh Hurr Amili , the first and second Majlisi, and the same meaning is used in their words, and above this, Arbaeen pilgrimage is considered among the signs of a believer according to Imam Hassan Askari's ((عليه السلام).) order. Therefore, it can be said that before the martyrdom of Seyyed al-Shohda ((عليه السلام).)  Arbaeen has not a parade .

observing the 40th day of the Karbala epic and the martyrdom of Seyyed al-Shahda ((عليه السلام).) and his companions, and the enemies were never able to destroy it. In such a way that the Arbaeen pilgrimage, which was limited to a few dozen people, today has become the presence of millions of pilgrims.This point should also not be overlooked that even if Jabir did not come to Karbala, it would still be recommended to visit Sayyed al-Shahada ((عليه السلام).) on the day of Arbaeen.

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Although Jaber has certainly come; Because the contents of Jabir's pilgrimage are very high and he has excellent teachings, and it is a theme that is completely consistent with the depth of Shia beliefs and shows the perfection of the knowledge of Mr. Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari, and it is not unlikely that Jabir bin Abdullah has taken both the principle of pilgrimage and the recommendation for pilgrimage iat  the day of Arbaeen from the imams and therefore he tried to reach Karbala on Arbaeen. Therefore, visiting Arbaeen and visiting Sayyid al-Shaheda ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) on the day of Arbaeen is fixed, and according to the exact interpretation of Sheikh Hurr  Amili, the recommendation of visiting his majesty on the day of Arbaeen is fixed.

So, there are two aspects on the day of Arbaeen: one is the fact that it is desirable to visit Sayyid al-Shahda ((عليه السلام).) on this day, which is the order of Imams of  guidance, and the other aspect is that Mr. Jabir managed to come to Karbala with [[mr]  'Atiyya al-'Awfi on this day and hasten to visit him.

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Atiyya_b._Sa'd_b._Junada_al-Awfi

The summary is that: Pilgrimage to Seyyed al-Shahda (عليه السلام) is always recommended, but in special places and times, it is doubly recommended, and the Ahl al-Bayt wanted to keep the name and memory of that majesty alive for various reasons. Therefore, they did something to make people remember Seyyed al-Shahada ((عليه السلام).) throughout the year and be with them. Being in that holy place has special effects and blessings; So much so that when Imam Hadi ((عليه السلام).) fell ill, even though he himself is the Imam and the authority of Allah, his majesty send people to Karbala to pray for him.

Finally, the place itself and the temporal and spatial conditions certainly have their effects, and in Arbaeen, this praise is doubled; Because it was guided by Ahl al-Bayt ((عليه السلام).) and has gradually become a Shia slogan.

https://hawzah.net/fa/Magazine/View/6444/8160/107508/جایگاه-زیارت-اربعین-در-متون-حدیثی-و-فقهی

 

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Wasa'il_al-Shi'a_(book)

[In Gods Name]

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Sala i highly doubt about your being open minded which you have repetitive & circular mindset for parroting Wahabi accusations against Shias . 

 [4] Qāḍī Ṭabāṭabāyī, Taḥqīq darbāra-yi awal-i abaʿīn, p. 2.

[1] Ṭūsī, Tahḍīb al-aḥkām, vol. 6, p. 52.

Method of Ziyara

Al-Shaykh al-Tusi has transmitted from Safwan al-Jammal in al-Tahdhib"^[2]

"About ziyara al-Arba'in, my master Imam al-Sadiq (a) told me, 'when a part of the day is passed, recite this ziyara. (Click here to see the text)
Then perform two rak'as of prayer and supplicate for what you want.'"

 

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Ziyarat_al-Arba'in

from translation Farsi section

Sheikh Tusi quoted from Imam Hasan Askari (عليه السلام) that the signs of a believer are five things, and one of them is the Zyarat Arbaeen. Allamah Majlisi (رضي الله عنه) about recommendation of Zyarat Arbaeen has mentioned most famous is that reason of recommendation , returning  the captives of Karbala to Karbala and joining the heads of the martyrs to their bodies by Imam Sajjad ((عليه السلام).) [2] He considered it unlikely that the captives would return to Karbala on the first Arbaeen and said that the pilgrimage of Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari may be recommendation aspect of the Zyarat Arbaeen . Since he was the first pilgrim to the grave of Imam Hussain ((عليه السلام).), it was considered mustahabb to visit him on the day of Arbaeen. From his point of view, it may be that the reason for the recommendation is the releasing of the captives of Karbala from captivity and imprisonment on this day. [3] Allameh Majlisi has quoted from Kaf'ami that the reason for naming the zyarat Arbaeen  is the time when it is the 20th of Safar and coincides with the 40th martyrdom of Imam Hussain. A)[4]

https://fa.wikishia.net/view/زیارت_اربعین

translation from Farsi source

During the period of Imam Sadiq ((عليه السلام).), the atmosphere became more open and even writing poetry and Marathi was encouraged, and poetry plays an important role in perpetuating the Karbala event and stimulating emotions. Therefore, he encourages people like Abu Amara Manshad,[4] Jafar bin Affan[5] and Abu Harun Makfouf[6] to write poems for Hazrat Abu Abd Allah al-Hussein (عليه السلام). During the time of Imam Reza ((عليه السلام).), we see that poets such as Di'bil Khuzāʿī [7] were noticed by the imam for writing Ashura poems. Also, the continuation of holding funeral gatherings in homes and expressing the virtue of reciting poetry in the mourning of Abi Abdullah ((عليه السلام).) and going to visit him in any condition and on various occasions and encouraging  to Zayart Arbaeen are some of the characteristics of this era.

[7] https://en.wikishia.net/view/Di'bil_b._'Ali_al-Khuza'i

The title "Zyarat Arbaeen " goes back to the time of Imam Sadiq ((عليه السلام).) and it is strange that despite the fear and fear of the oppressive government, people asked the Imam whether to go to the pilgrimage of Hazrat Seyyed al-Shahada despite the fear of informers and agents of the government. ? And the Imam said to go.[8] This is despite the fact that the Shia jurists in the issue of Hajj have stated that one of the conditions of ability is «تخلیه سرب»; It means that there must be security and if there is no security, the ability cannot be realized; But in the case of the pilgrimage of Seyyed al-Shahada ((عليه السلام).), even with the lack of security, people were encouraged to visit.

After this, it has been encouraged to visit him on various occasions. In the 14th volume of Wasa'il al-Shi'a, at the end of the book of Hajj, the pilgrimage occasions of Seyyed al-Shahada (عليه السلام) are mentioned[9]

In this section, we only mention its occasions and chapters in the Wasa'il:

Or in various occasions and situations:

(That is, even if you have to travel the sea by ship, it is still recommended to visit Sayyed al-Shahada (AS)[10] . or on special occasions and times[11]

 

But regarding the day of Arbaeen, we find this chapter in Volume 14 of Al-Wasa'il al-Shia[12]: "The chapter on emphasizing the importance of visiting Al-Husayn ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) on the day of Arbaeen,from his martyrdom, and on the day of the 20th,of Safar

."«باب تأکّد استحباب زیارت الحسین(ع) یوم الأربعین من مقتله و هو یوم العشرین من صفر».

It expresses the emphasis on recommendation that is mentioned here by bringing some narrations.

The meaning of Zyarah Arbaeen pilgrimage is the pilgrimage of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) on the day of Arbaeen, due to numerous evidences from the statements of scholars from the time of Sheikh Mofid and Sheikh Tusi to the time of Seyyed Ibn Tawus and then Allameh Hilli, the first martyr, Kaf'ami, Sheikh Hurr Amili , the first and second Majlisi, and the same meaning is used in their words, and above this, Arbaeen pilgrimage is considered among the signs of a believer according to Imam Hassan Askari's ((عليه السلام).) order. Therefore, it can be said that before the martyrdom of Seyyed al-Shohda ((عليه السلام).)  Arbaeen has not a parade .

observing the 40th day of the Karbala epic and the martyrdom of Seyyed al-Shahda ((عليه السلام).) and his companions, and the enemies were never able to destroy it. In such a way that the Arbaeen pilgrimage, which was limited to a few dozen people, today has become the presence of millions of pilgrims.This point should also not be overlooked that even if Jabir did not come to Karbala, it would still be recommended to visit Sayyed al-Shahada ((عليه السلام).) on the day of Arbaeen.

The summary is that: Pilgrimage to Seyyed al-Shahda (عليه السلام) is always recommended, but in special places and times, it is doubly recommended, and the Ahl al-Bayt wanted to keep the name and memory of that majesty alive for various reasons. Therefore, they did something to make people remember Seyyed al-Shahada ((عليه السلام).) throughout the year and be with them. Being in that holy place has special effects and blessings; So much so that when Imam Hadi ((عليه السلام).) fell ill, even though he himself is the Imam and the authority of Allah, his majesty send people to Karbala to pray for him.

Finally, the place itself and the temporal and spatial conditions certainly have their effects, and in Arbaeen, this praise is doubled; Because it was guided by Ahl al-Bayt ((عليه السلام).) and has gradually become a Shia slogan.

https://hawzah.net/fa/Magazine/View/6444/8160/107508/جایگاه-زیارت-اربعین-در-متون-حدیثی-و-فقهی

 

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Wasa'il_al-Shi'a_(book)

Salam,

Thank you for your reply brother.

I still don't see any evidence of any of the Imams claiming to perform a physical Ziyarah or instructing their followers to perform a physical Ziyarah.

At best, there is weak evidence? of some sort of Ziyarah to recite (would like to validate the authenticity) but Arbaaen walks/ visits etc don't appear to have any basis in the Sunnah.

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

43 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

don't appear to have any basis in the Sunnah.

 

It has no basis in Wahabi-Slafi distorted Sunnah . 

[In Gods Name]

2 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

It has no basis in Wahabi-Slafi distorted Sunnah . 

Dear brother, i am not a Wahabi or Salafi.

Shaykh Kamal Hayderi and Fadalallah, are also not Wahhabi or Salafis.

We are not saying it is bad to visit Imam al-Hussain, for let us visit him every day. 

However, the argument here is, is there any precedent in the Sunnah for physically visiting , as well as these walks you see, and there really isn't any evidence.

I don't object to visiting on Arbaeen in and of itself, but the reality is, todays Shia's will prioritise this, over going to Umrah or saving up for Hajj.

That's when a Bidah like this is dangerous.

Edited October 23 by In Gods Name

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, In Gods Name said:

Shaykh Kamal Hayderi and Fadalallah, are also not Wahhabi or Salafis.

There is only distorted videos from them by Wahabists .

1 hour ago, In Gods Name said:

That's when a Bidah like this is dangerous.

I knew you will parrot such Wahabi nonsense agaian & again  because you have cemented narrow Wahabi mindset.

[In Gods Name]

You speak to Shias and ask them, how many times have you gone to Ziyarah? You will hear, three, four, five, sometimes a dozen times.

You then ask them, what about the most magnamimous house of Allah, in it are the very roots of our monotheistic Abrahamic faith, K'aba built by Abraham and a holy blessed stone within it? What of the streets the Prophet walked on, the very mosque he prayed in? A house and a place sanctified and mentioned so many times by Allah, so holy and blessed is its Pilgrimage , we are mandated to perform it at least once?

Put aside the Hajj, what about experiencing this in an Umrah?

Often, you hear one number:

ZERO.

[In Gods Name]

1 minute ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

There is only distorted videos from them by Wahabists .

I knew you will parrot such Wahabi nonsense agaian 7 again  because you have cemented narrow Wahabi mindset.

Please explain how it is distorted? The videos are of a good length and there is in the video a lot of context to remove doubt the words of the scholars are being made out of context.  The videos themselves are uploaded by Shias.

[Ashvazdanghe]

2 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

The videos themselves are uploaded by Shias.

in Social media anyone can claim that he is a shai also many times Wahabis have created fake shia channels .

3 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

Please explain how it is distorted? The videos are of a good length and there is in the video a lot of context to remove doubt the words of the scholars are being made out of context.

all of them have been refuted countless times by revered shia scholars also it has been referred countless times by Wahabis  which also Sayed kamal haydri has not been active about two years which many fake shia (wahbi0 sites have uploaded distorted & trimmed & montaged videos in his name which in similar fashion it has been done about late Sayed Fadalallah (رضي الله عنه) which none them have approved by his office. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

 

[Guest Ya Hussain]

In fact, there is spiritual significance to some numbers and this is seen in the Qur’an and the traditions such that the number 40 is repeated in many places of the Qur’an:

﴿وَإِذْ وَاعَدْنَا مُوسَى أَرْبَعِينَ لَيْلَةً ثُمَّ اتَّخَذْتُمُ الْعِجْلَ مِنْ بَعْدِهِ وَأَنْتُمْ ظَالِمُونَ﴾

“And when We appointed a time of forty nights with Musa, then you took the calf (for a god) after him and you were unjust.” (Suratul Baqarah, 2: 51)

﴿قَالَ فَإِنَّهَا مُحَرَّمَةٌ عَلَيْهِمْ أَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً يَتِيهُونَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَلَا تَأْسَ عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْفَاسِقِينَ﴾

“He said: So it shall surely be forbidden to them for forty years, they shall wander about in the land, therefore do not grieve for the nation of transgressors.” (Suratul Maidah, 5:26)

﴿وَوَاعَدْنَا مُوسَى ثَلَاثِينَ لَيْلَةً وَأَتْمَمْنَاهَا بِعَشْرٍ فَتَمَّ مِيقَاتُ رَبِّهِ أَرْبَعِينَ لَيْلَةً وَقَالَ مُوسَى لِأَخِيهِ هَارُونَ اخْلُفْنِي فِي قَوْمِي وَأَصْلِحْ وَلَا تَتَّبِعْ سَبِيلَ الْمُفْسِدِينَ﴾

“And We appointed with Musa a time of thirty nights and completed them with ten (more), so the appointed time of his Lord was complete forty nights, and Musa said to his brother Haroun: Take my place among my people, and act well and do not follow the way of the mischief-makers.” (Suratul A’raaf, 7:142)

﴿وَوَصَّيْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ بِوَالِدَيْهِ إِحْسَانًا حَمَلَتْهُ أُمُّهُ كُرْهًا وَوَضَعَتْهُ كُرْهًا وَحَمْلُهُ وَفِصَالُهُ ثَلَاثُونَ شَهْرًا حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ أَشُدَّهُ وَبَلَغَ أَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً قَالَ رَبِّ أَوْزِعْنِي أَنْ أَشْكُرَ نِعْمَتَكَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيَّ وَعَلَى وَالِدَيَّ وَأَنْ أَعْمَلَ صَالِحًا تَرْضَاهُ وَأَصْلِحْ لِي فِي ذُرِّيَّتِي إِنِّي تُبْتُ إِلَيْكَ وَإِنِّي مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ﴾

“And We have enjoined on man doing of good to his parents; with trouble did his mother bear him and with trouble did she bring him forth; and the bearing of him and the weaning of him was thirty months; until when he attains his maturity and reaches forty years, he says: My Lord! grant me that I may give thanks for Thy favor which Thou hast bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may do good which pleases Thee and do good to me in respect of my offspring; surely I turn to Thee, and surely I am of those who submit.” (Suratul Ahqaf, 46:15)

In addition, there are numerous traditions which mention the number “40” such as the following:

عن رسول الله (صلى الله عليه و آله و سلام): إنّ الأرض لتبكي على المؤمن أربعين صباحاً.

The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him and his family, has said: “Indeed the Earth laments over the death of a true believer for the period of 40 days.”

عن الإمام محمد الباقر (عليه السلام) أنّه قال: إنّ السّماء بكت على الحسين أربعين صباحاً.

Imam Muhammad al-Baqir, peace be upon him, has said: “Indeed the sky lamented over the death of al-Husayn for a period of 40 days.”

عن الإمام الصّادق(عليه السلام) أنّه قال: إنّ السّماء بكت على الحسين أربعين صباحاً بالدّم، والأرض بكت عليه أربعين صباحاً بالسّواد، والشّمس بكت عليه أربعين صباحاً بالكسوف والحمرة، والملائكة بكت عليه أربعين صباحاً، وما اختضبت امرأة منّا ولا ادّهنت ولا اكتحلت ولا رجّلت حتّى أتانا رأس عبيد الله بن زياد وما زلنا في عبرة من بعده.

Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq, peace be upon him, said: “The heavens cried for forty days with blood (weeping) over Imam Husayn; the earth cried for forty days by being covered with darkness; the sun cried for forty days by being in eclipse and turning red; the mountains were torn apart and dispersed; the seas gushed out and the angles cried for forty days over him. After Imam Husayn’s martyrdom, all of our women stopped colouring their hair, using kohl, applying oil, and styling their hair until the head of Ubaydullah ibn Ziyaad was sent to us; and even after that we (all) continued to weep over him.”

In summary, this all points to the reality that there is “something” contained in the visitation to Karbala 40 days after the tragic massacre of Imam al-Husayn, peace be upon him and his family, as the “40th” is not marked for any other Imam nor is it marked for any other Prophet – and perhaps if we are given the Divine Providence (tawfeeq) to be in Karbala on the 20th of Safar to pay our respects and condolences to the Prophet and the noble family on the supreme sacrifice offered on the 10th of Muharram 61 ah, then we may be able to benefit from the spiritual bounties contained in this spiritual journey to reach our Beloved.

https://www.al-islam.org/arbaeen-imam-husayn-shaykh-saleem-bhimji/arbaeen-imam-husayn