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4 hours ago, Dreamcatcher said:

Hope he learns something from this next time he comes in power and does something about other actual abductions.

I doubt it. The ones in uniforms won't be bringing him to power again. Besides, this one last "hope" is just going to be another disappointment for PTI's supporters. PTI's descent into incompetency, god complex and vindictive politics has destabilized Pakistan from within. Unfortunately, the majority of our population is incredibly predisposed to populism. I hope some of the PTI leadership changes in the years to come. 

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My goodness. It took dozens of police to arrest Imran Khan on May 9, 2023. Charged with corruption. 

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1 hour ago, Hameedeh said:

dozens of police

There are claims by his bodyguards that these weren't ordinary policemen; from the way they fought, they seemed to be trained SSG Commandos.

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1 hour ago, matrix said:

The ones in uniforms won't be bringing him to power again.

This is very likely. 

Imran Khan proved himself an incompetent leader with no political wisdom & foresight. No one has hurt the PTI than the poor decisions of Imran Khan. 

He appeared as fool to me when he dissolved his two provincial governments and than started a well organized social media campaign against Pak Army. 

Now PTI workers are destroying everything, burning buildings, cars, public & private properties even the ambulances. They are behaving like Talibans. 

Ultimately, this is a lesson for Pak Army who brought IK as a replacement of existing political figures by doing political engineering.

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3 hours ago, Cool said:

This is very likely. 

Imran Khan proved himself an incompetent leader with no political wisdom & foresight. No one has hurt the PTI than the poor decisions of Imran Khan. 

He appeared as fool to me when he dissolved his two provincial governments and than started a well organized social media campaign against Pak Army. 

Now PTI workers are destroying everything, burning buildings, cars, public & private properties even the ambulances. They are behaving like Talibans. 

Ultimately, this is a lesson for Pak Army who brought IK as a replacement of existing political figures by doing political engineering.

Absolutely.

It is cult worship on both sides of the coin. Khan’s arrest is going to lead to the arrests of other PTI leaders, and this is an old strategy to divide political parties from the inside. If you listened to the Prime Minister’s remarks earlier today, he made it very clear that he is not interested in bringing about any reforms from here on. His talk was vengeful, deliberately designed to show PTI his joy over giving them a taste of their own medicine. The establishment, as well, is more than happy to deepen the crisis, as this will allow them to carry on their role as political craftsmen cloaked in uniforms and robes. This turmoil will delay both the elections and the deal with the IMF - which is nothing more than a liquidity injection that Pakistan will not be able to pay back. This is quite clearly an existential crisis now, similar to Lebanon’s case.

I think Pakistan should default. Take the brunt. Stop kicking the can down the road. We need a hard reset and a default will force hard decisions to be made.

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8 hours ago, matrix said:

I think Pakistan should default

That's what I am saying for so long.

I supported IK back in 2018 because he said that he will prefer to die than to go to IMF for begging. 

If you ask from IK now, what is the solution with him for Pakistan's economy, he said in an interview, we have to go to IMF. So the only solution of Pakistan is to keep begging for money from all over the world, that's disgusting indeed. 

We don't need to be an economist to understand the fact that we cannot survive forever on loans. 

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Any chance that he is in jail to protect him from angry mobs?

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Supreme Court rules abduction illegal

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Pakistan’s supreme court has ruled the arrest of the former prime minister Imran Khan was illegal and ordered that he be released into the protection of the court.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/11/pakistan-army-deployed-across-country-as-unrest-triggered-by-imran-khan-arrest-continues

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36 minutes ago, Hameedeh said:

Any chance that he is in jail to protect him from angry mobs?

 

Possible:

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Though no longer a prisoner, Khan was ordered to stay in a police guesthouse overnight “as a guest” under the security of Islamabad police to ensure his protection, and told he could bring 10 people of his choice to join him.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/11/pakistan-army-deployed-across-country-as-unrest-triggered-by-imran-khan-arrest-continues

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What exactly is the corruption IK is accused of? Something that happened in the past when he was still prime minister? 

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'Angry British-Pakistanis Fear For Imran Khan's Life' Bro. Robert Carter (7 min) Downtown London Protests / Outside Nawaz Sharif's Apartment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQU0iRYzKaQ

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8 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

What exactly is the corruption IK is accused of?

It is called the Al-Qadir Trust case.

To sum it up in three sentences: in 2019, while Imran Khan was Prime Minister, the British NCA seized assets worth £190m that were traced back to a Pakistani property tycoon, Malik Riaz Hussain. NCA hands over the money to the Pakistani government, and instead of surrendering the money to the national treasury (as administrations ought to do), Khan decides to transfer the ill-begotten money back over to Riaz. In exchange, Riaz allots ~400 acres of land to Khan and his spouse for Al-Qadir University.

It is the strongest case against him yet, but it will most likely not receive the investigation it deserves.

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For anyone wondering - Khan has not denied the case as is. He admits that he willfully gave the money to Riaz, but that "he has nothing to gain from Riaz's favor" and that "it was a full cabinet decision". Both excuses which are, of course, absolutely absurd and pathetic, as are the rest of his political agendas. Riaz is notorious for maintaining deep ties with these mainstream politicians. 

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@matrixhe stated otherwise in his video statement. According to him, he conducted the groundbreaking of Al-Qadir University months before the settlement; 05 May 2019 to be precise, when he was Prime Minister. These facts are publicly verifiable.

Whatever the facts of the case, they aren't as clear cut as the Establishment portrayed them to be.

I'm not the biggest Imran Khan fan out there; in fact, I am suspicious about any populist movements in general until the rising of Khorasani.

However, it's clear that something needs to be done about the status quo in Pakistan, where there is a faction of the Establishment that is reminiscient of SAVAK. As we all know, things didn't end too well for them in the end.

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There are videos that aren't available on mainstream media; there are bits and pieces available on social media such as Twitter and TikTok.

One particular video was quite disturbing for me personally. Dozens of policemen raided a student hostel adjacent to Srinagar Highway in Islamabad. They picked up all of them, without warrant or probable cause, and the students were seen crying and pleading. Keep in mind that this was a cheap hostel favoured by students from nearby NUST, FAST, and IIUI universities. My friends used to live there too back in the old days.

Keep in mind that most universities in Pakistan are having exams these days. It's anyone's guess about the whereabouts of these students. May Allah help them get the right to fair representation and due process.

I saw it only once on TikTok, and I have been unable to find it again. It probably got deleted. The Establishment is definitely not an innocent party in all of this.

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The fact is every ruling party arrests opposition leaders in Pakistan. When Imran Khan was in power, he had full support of military and he was a lot more brutal to the opposition. Imran Khan is holding rallies and creating problems for government. When he was in power, all the opposition leaders were out of country and they were not allowed to protest. Most of Imran khan's supporters are in west and they treated me like I was a political leader. From 2019 to 2022, when he was in power, they were hardest years of my life.  He should have expected this after the way he treated opposition during his rule. His supporters are educated and religious but they act like Taliban. During his rule, mob attacks increased where a mob just gathers and kills a random person for blasphemy. One woman was molested for 2 hours by 400 men and they later blamed the woman. He was very much like Trump and during his rule, people behaved like animals. It actually feels nice to see people behaving in civilized manner since last year. I don't want to see him getting power ever again. His supporters are mostly educated people living in big cities but their behavior is ignorant and barbaric, religious fanatics. 

I feel bad for him but after the way he treated opposition, he should have expected this. I don't know if economy got better during his time. Even if it did, it was not worth it if the cost was women rights and rights of marginalized people. 

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Posted (edited)
7 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

he stated otherwise in his video statement. According to him, he conducted the groundbreaking of Al-Qadir University months before the settlement; 05 May 2019 to be precise, when he was Prime Minister. These facts are publicly verifiable.

His statement is but a red herring. Here is a timeline of the case, for those who want to know more details. There are other sources for this as well. Khan's statement does not explain the trust registration and the multimillion-dollar settlement (which reeks of bribery) that followed, as the greatest question still remains. Why was the state's money given to Riaz, and why were cabinet members made to sign on sealed envelopes? 

7 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

Whatever the facts of the case, they aren't as clear cut as the Establishment portrayed them to be.

I don't imagine they are. There needs to be an independent investigation on this because it is a very strong case, far more stronger than the toshakhana case or terrorism charges.

7 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

I'm not the biggest Imran Khan fan out there; in fact, I am suspicious about any populist movements in general until the rising of Khorasani.

However, it's clear that something needs to be done about the status quo in Pakistan, where there is a faction of the Establishment that is reminiscient of SAVAK. As we all know, things didn't end too well for them in the end.

Not too sure about this, as we tried it before. According to PTI, they "broke" the status quo already when an incompetent person (i.e. Khan) was "elected" into power along with his compromised party which, in reality, was a recipe for more disaster, and the Establishment found a way out of it again. The only silver lining is that the public becomes anti-Establishment, to a large scale, but that only makes a practical difference if people have the equal right to vote and elections are fair and square. 

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'If Imran Khan Is Harmed Pakistan Will Be Uncontrollable' Retired Army Major Adil Raja and George Galloway (13 min)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KDvdLq8PFU

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DAJJALIC DEEP STATE ELIMINATES IMRAN KHAN! PAKISTAN AWAITS AN ISLAMIC REVOLUTION! / INDEPENDENT ISLAMIC REPUBLIC / 5 MINUTES

 

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Panic In Pakistan Amidst Calls To Behead Imran Khan (20 minutes) Haidar Mehdi & Zafar Bangash / Abu Uthman ICIT

 

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Taliban Threatens Pakistan Over Durand Line / Independent Islamic Republic (i.e. PRAECURSATOR) / 1 minute 17 seconds

 

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Taliban Says It'll Break Pakistan "Like 1971" Amid Afghan Refugee Tension; Watch Islamabad's Reply / 4 minutes / Hindustan Times

 

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5 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Taliban Says It'll Break Pakistan "Like 1971" Amid Afghan Refugee Tension; Watch Islamabad's Reply / 4 minutes / Hindustan Times

 

How loyal people are to get that extra land. 

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