Is it true Wahabbis and muslim brotherhood control mosques in USA?

[Lion of Shia]

Is it true wahabbis and the brotherhood control the mosques in america, i heard this from hisham kabbani?

[Yusuf71]

Using labels like "wahabbis" and "brotherhood" as well as "control" sounds nothing more than speculative. Islam contains a wide and varied tapestry of beliefs and ideas. Im sure you will find every type of Muslim and every type of Masjid, ranging from beautiful and creative to legalistic and harsh.

The Shakyh's words are I'm sure to get you to think about where you pray. There is an old Irish proverb which says "show me your friends and I will tell you who you are".

Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) controls everything.

 

 

[Northwest]

On 2/26/2023 at 3:50 AM, Lion of Shia said:

Is it true wahabbis and the brotherhood control the mosques in america, i heard this from hisham kabbani?

@Lion of Shia

Not only do the Wahhabi–Salafi forces—those of the Muslim Brotherhood inclusive—control Sunni mosques in the West, but they also are supported by the highest political echelons. This truth brings me to a more contentious argument: that the so-called “war on Islam” does not really exist as such. There is no war on Islam-as-Islam. The war is actually a war on Shia Islam, but not Sunni Islam; on the contrary, it is a Zionist-sponsored, Western-fronted, Anglo-Saxon-led war exclusively on Shia Islam and for Sunni Islam, and always has been. In fact, the Zionist elites in the West support Sunni Islam not just against Shias, but also against all other, non-Zionist religious groups, and also against the native people of the West. It is the Sunni masses and their Zionist-controlled Wahhabi–Salafi leaders who enthusiastically live in and endorse the West vs. Shia Islam and non-Sunni, non-Zionist groups in general. The Western elite, which is Zionist-dominated, also actively and passively supports Sunni terrorist attacks on Western peoples, especially Christians, as well as on the aforementioned targeted groups.

The Zionists and Sunnis hold particular animus toward Christians, especially Eastern (non-Latin) ones, and “pagans,” while living in mortal fear of an alliance among Christians, Shias, and other minorities such as Sufis, Buddhists, Hindus, and so on. The Eastern, or Orthodox, Christians are especially feared because they never participated in the Latin Crusades and have always been closest to the Shias and the true followers of Jesus, both in religious practice and geographical proximity. These Christians’ historical sponsors, above all the Russians, have been despised by the Latin West and its allies as such. The Zionists and Sunnis have always been the Latin West’s staunchest imperial allies, and continue to be. The Zionist-run British Empire consistently favoured Sunni powers such as the Sunni Ottomans, and later the Wahhabi Saudis, against rivals. In British-ruled India the Raj always favoured the Sunni-majority population over other religious groups. When the imperial project was threatened by anti-colonialism, the Zionist-controlled British elite sought to promote Sunni extremism against Hindu-majority India and employed their puppet Jinnah to create Pakistan.

As the preceding article relates:

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Thomas Macaulay offered a suggestion on how Britain should deal with India's Hindu majority versus its Muslim minority. Britain, he said, should "take no part in the disputes between Mahometans and idolaters. But, if our Government does take a part, there cannot be a doubt that Mahometanism is entitled to the preference". ...

During the Indian freedom movement, Churchill blathered, "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion." He, of course, was referring to Hindus. At the same time, he and his ministers were constantly goading the Muslims to demand Pakistan and thereby Balkanise India. ...

Churchill was inspired by Beverly Nichols' 1944 book 'Verdict on India', which argued the British could not quit without creating a separate homeland for the Muslims. ... In a letter to Muslim leader Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the...Prime Minister hinted that India would be easy pickings for Pakistan.

Talking about a supposed “war on Islam” is convenient for the powers that be by obscuring the actual dynamics at work. Virtually all Sunni heads of state since the rise of Europe as a global player have ultimately turned out to be Western and Zionist puppets. Yet their subjects have often followed along enthusiastically, using pan-Islam(-ism) as a tool to lure an unsuspecting Shia Iran into “helping” groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, which eventually turn their newfound expertise against their Shia and other foes. Unsurprisingly, the Sunnis also seek to turn Shias against Christians by siding with the liberal, Zionist-controlled Western elite against “racist” white Christians, demanding open borders that allow Wahhabi–Salafi-infected Sunni majorities to take over the Muslim communities in the West. This divide-and-rule policy ends up exterminating both Christians and Shias, along with all non-Sunni, non-Zionist groups in general, and is succeeding tremendously. In practice Shias have much more in common with Christians and other non-Sunni religious minorities than with most Sunnis, who easily tend toward chauvinism, typically mouth Wahhabi–Salafi propaganda, and are too invested in the West and Zionism to be anti-imperialist. Otherwise they wouldn’t be so at ease doing business and dawah in the West...

[Lion of Shia]

7 hours ago, Northwest said:

@Lion of Shia

Not only do the Wahhabi–Salafi forces—those of the Muslim Brotherhood inclusive—control Sunni mosques in the West, but they also are supported by the highest political echelons. This truth brings me to a more contentious argument: that the so-called “war on Islam” does not really exist as such. There is no war on Islam-as-Islam. The war is actually a war on Shia Islam, but not Sunni Islam; on the contrary, it is a Zionist-sponsored, Western-fronted, Anglo-Saxon-led war exclusively on Shia Islam and for Sunni Islam, and always has been. In fact, the Zionist elites in the West support Sunni Islam not just against Shias, but also against all other, non-Zionist religious groups, and also against the native people of the West. It is the Sunni masses and their Zionist-controlled Wahhabi–Salafi leaders who enthusiastically live in and endorse the West vs. Shia Islam and non-Sunni, non-Zionist groups in general. The Western elite, which is Zionist-dominated, also actively and passively supports Sunni terrorist attacks on Western peoples, especially Christians, as well as on the aforementioned targeted groups.

The Zionists and Sunnis hold particular animus toward Christians, especially Eastern (non-Latin) ones, and “pagans,” while living in mortal fear of an alliance among Christians, Shias, and other minorities such as Sufis, Buddhists, Hindus, and so on. The Eastern, or Orthodox, Christians are especially feared because they never participated in the Latin Crusades and have always been closest to the Shias and the true followers of Jesus, both in religious practice and geographical proximity. These Christians’ historical sponsors, above all the Russians, have been despised by the Latin West and its allies as such. The Zionists and Sunnis have always been the Latin West’s staunchest imperial allies, and continue to be. The Zionist-run British Empire consistently favoured Sunni powers such as the Sunni Ottomans, and later the Wahhabi Saudis, against rivals. In British-ruled India the Raj always favoured the Sunni-majority population over other religious groups. When the imperial project was threatened by anti-colonialism, the Zionist-controlled British elite sought to promote Sunni extremism against Hindu-majority India and employed their puppet Jinnah to create Pakistan.

As the preceding article relates:

Talking about a supposed “war on Islam” is convenient for the powers that be by obscuring the actual dynamics at work. Virtually all Sunni heads of state since the rise of Europe as a global player have ultimately turned out to be Western and Zionist puppets. Yet their subjects have often followed along enthusiastically, using pan-Islam(-ism) as a tool to lure an unsuspecting Shia Iran into “helping” groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, which eventually turn their newfound expertise against their Shia and other foes. Unsurprisingly, the Sunnis also seek to turn Shias against Christians by siding with the liberal, Zionist-controlled Western elite against “racist” white Christians, demanding open borders that allow Wahhabi–Salafi-infected Sunni majorities to take over the Muslim communities in the West. This divide-and-rule policy ends up exterminating both Christians and Shias, along with all non-Sunni, non-Zionist groups in general, and is succeeding tremendously. In practice Shias have much more in common with Christians and other non-Sunni religious minorities than with most Sunnis, who easily tend toward chauvinism, typically mouth Wahhabi–Salafi propaganda, and are too invested in the West and Zionism to be anti-imperialist. Otherwise they wouldn’t be so at ease doing business and dawah in the West...

Is Zionist-Wester allience wth salafis against sufis too?

[Ashvazdanghe]

Warning this a prank video about Muslims & mosques

The time Sacha Baren Cohen pranked racists with a mosque

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCHH4iyl3sM

 

 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 2/26/2023 at 6:20 AM, Lion of Shia said:

wahabbis and the brotherhood control the mosques in america

 

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Sheikh Al – Islam Ibn Taymiyah Foundation

Ibn Taymiyah Foundation has supervised the project of King Fahd mosque in Los Angeles since its commencement. It is responsible for management and future activities. The establishment of this foundation dates back to 1400H (1980). Its activities began in the “Muslim Student House” in the city’s western part. The idea developed further and a house was purchased in the same area for prayers, lectures and Dawa activities.

The foundation is an Islamic charity organization legally recognized by the official US. authorities. it is exempted from taxes, entitled to own property and practice religious, educational, informational and intellectual activities throughout the United States.

 

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Covering 63,000 square feet it is comprised of a central prayer area, an auditorium, conference rooms, and modern amenities for wudu (a-self-purification process performed prior to prayers).

This Mosque does NOT receive any funds from overseas and all expenses are paid by the congregants who come to pray every day as donations.

The King Fahad Mosque is located at 10980 Washington – Boulevard in Culver City, California. It is open daily for all five prayers. Check the schedules at our calender and other pages on this website for special and continuing programs. Owned and operated by The Islamic Foundation of Shaikh Ibn Taimmiyyah the entire. project was guided by Director General, “Dr. Khalil Al Khalil. The Islamic Foundation of Shaikh Ibn Taimmiyyah is located across the street from The King Fahad Mosque at 11004 Washington Boulevard.

 

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The foundation supervises one other mosque:

• – Masjid al Salam in central Los Angeles.

https://www.kingfahadmosque.org/contacts/about-us/

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{mosads}Anyone can build a religious structure of whatever nature in the United States, so the Saudis fund mosque after mosque.

 

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the Saudi monarchy has spent globally an estimated US $100 billion to spread its Wahhabi version of Islam. Products of Saudi-funded Wahhabi schools and mosques have often been incited to political violence against non-Muslims.

The Saudis have been arrogantly indiscreet about spending to promote Wahhabism. For example, a 2005 Freedom House report reviewed some of the extremist literature provided to the public by Saudi-funded institutions and concluded that it poses “a grave threat to non-Muslims and to the Muslim community itself.”

 

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The monarchy has also given multiple and generous grants to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the most aggressive and effective Islamist organization in the United States. 

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/292188-no-saudi-money-for-american-mosques/

[Ashvazdanghe]

Cuba's First Mosque to Be Built in Havana, Funded by Saudi Arabia: Envoy

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This was announced by the Cuban ambassador to Riyadh Vladimir Gonzalez.

“Because of this donation from the Saudi side, today we can say that we're building in Havana the first mosque in our country,” Gonzalez said in an interview broadcast by Saudi state TV.

“We have a small Muslim community in our country; they are very organized. I'm honored to facilitate their life as Muslim people in Cuba.”

Cuba and Saudi Arabia's diplomatic relations date to 1956.

“Saudi Arabia was the first Arab nation that established diplomatic relations with Cuba,” Gonzalez said.

Cuba's small Muslim community has, until now, been limited to praying mostly at home or in makeshift prayer areas.

The Saudi Fund for Development has allowed for the establishment of “social and economic” projects that will benefit the two nations, Gonzalez said.

 

Source: thenationalnews.com

https://iqna.ir/en/news/3480560/cubas-first-mosque-to-be-built-in-havana-funded-by-saudi-arabia-envoy

[Ashvazdanghe]

The Muslim Brotherhood's U.S. Network

https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/the-muslim-brotherhood-s-u-s-network

 THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD'S GLOBAL THREAT

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-115hhrg31367/html/CHRG-115hhrg31367.htm

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2010/09/15/muslim-networks-and-movements-in-western-europe-muslim-brotherhood-and-jamaat-i-islami/

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

9 hours ago, Lion of Shia said:

Is Zionist-Wester allience wth salafis against sufis too?

Salam although Wahabists & Salafis call themselves as enemy of Sufis anyway Zionists support all of them in western countries which Sufism is an alternative for peopel  who don't want join to Wahabists & Salafis which also don't have any business with politics & other worldly matters which because they don't oppose Zionists so therefore it is ideal for zionists .

Sufi Vs Salafi: Heaven and Hell - YouTube

 

 

[Northwest]

4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Sufism is an alternative for peopel  who don't want join to Wahabists & Salafis which also don't have any business with politics & other worldly matters which because they don't oppose Zionists so therefore it is ideal for zionists .

@Ashvazdanghe

This may be true in the West, but is not reflective of Sufism in general. In fact, Sufis were historically just as involved as other Muslims in politics, including violent, anti-imperialist resistance. For example, ‘Abd al-Qadir of the Sufi Qadiriyya was and is famed for leading a massive anti-colonial resistance to the French in Algeria, while the Sufi Sanussi order also spawned aggressive resistance to the Italian colonialists in Libya. The Muridiya Sufi order in West Africa also played an influential role in anti-colonial politics. During the nineteenth century, in fact, Sufis often played one of the leading roles in armed anti-colonial projects. One must also not forget the centuries-old historical resistance of the Sufi-majority Caucasian Muslims, above all the Chechens, to Russian imperialism, among other examples. Your perspective of Sufism only takes into account the “domesticated” varieties that the West has sponsored to shepherd Sufism into quietism, setting the latter up for slaughter by the better-financed-and-armed Wahhabi–Salafi forces.

[Abu_Zahra]

On 2/26/2023 at 3:50 AM, Lion of Shia said:

Is it true wahabbis and the brotherhood control the mosques in america, i heard this from hisham kabbani?

The statement makes absolutely no sense. There are thousands of masajid in the US and they have have been established by a very wide range of schools of fiqh and aqeedah. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

13 hours ago, Northwest said:

@Ashvazdanghe

This may be true in the West, but is not reflective of Sufism in general. In fact, Sufis were historically just as involved as other Muslims in politics, including violent, anti-imperialist resistance. For example, ‘Abd al-Qadir of the Sufi Qadiriyya was and is famed for leading a massive anti-colonial resistance to the French in Algeria, while the Sufi Sanussi order also spawned aggressive resistance to the Italian colonialists in Libya. The Muridiya Sufi order in West Africa also played an influential role in anti-colonial politics. During the nineteenth century, in fact, Sufis often played one of the leading roles in armed anti-colonial projects. One must also not forget the centuries-old historical resistance of the Sufi-majority Caucasian Muslims, above all the Chechens, to Russian imperialism, among other examples. Your perspective of Sufism only takes into account the “domesticated” varieties that the West has sponsored to shepherd Sufism into quietism, setting the latter up for slaughter by the better-financed-and-armed Wahhabi–Salafi forces.

Hi participating these Sufi groups have been done against original teachings of Sufism which your mentioned groups have resistedas reaction of all of muslim against colonial forces which muslims have done it  to face another invasion by new age crusaders which as a muslim i endorse it although it has no realtion to Sufi teachings which based on quietism anyway these sufi orders have been defacto rulers of muslim countries who fought for soveirgnity of their countries through bypasing Sufi teachings.

[Northwest]

On 3/2/2023 at 6:55 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi participating these Sufi groups have been done against original teachings of Sufism...it has no relation to Sufi teachings which based on quietism...these sufi orders have been de facto rulers of muslim countries who fought for sovereignty of their countries through bypassing Sufi teachings.

@Ashvazdanghe

So those Sufis who founded Sufi orders to fight imperialism didn’t know the basics of their own, supposedly apolitical and/or “nonviolent” faith? All those Chechen warrior Sufis who defended their land for millennia were somehow ignorant? How would “quietist,” nonviolent Sufis have survived in a violent world to begin with, a world in which there was no separation of religion and politics? Yet they did survive and even founded Sufi orders dedicated to anti-imperialism. By saying that these Sufis were ignorant of their faith, you are effectively pronouncing takfir on them, calling them ignorant unbelievers who were defying their own faith. If they were violating their own faith, why did so many Sufis assume the leadership of and serve as the driving impulse behind violent as well as nonviolent anti-imperialist movements?

I’m sorry, but if Sufism were intrinsically a pacifist faith, Sufism wouldn’t even have lasted as long as it has. After all, from its very incipience Sufism has faced armed opposition, given its inherent, ascetic opposition to the lifestyle of the powers that be. Even a nonviolent Sufi’s message would have been subversive to the ruling elite, given Sufism’s ascetic content. Only armed Sufi believers could have lasted for millennia, defying the various political establishments. I think you have come under the influence of Western propaganda about Sufism. The same West also likes to claim that Buddhism is inherently pacifist, yet there are manifold historical records of armed Buddhist sects, many of whom not only defended themselves against non-Buddhist rivals, but also fought among themselves. The same goes for armed Hindu sects.

“These participating Sufi groups have gone against original teachings of Sufism...” Try telling that to the Chechens. Just find a time-machine and visit their forefathers. Given the Chechen code of honour you probably would have been lucky to come back alive. Honestly, your mentality sounds like a Wahhabi’s: daring to lecture other Muslims about their supposed “ignorance” and unbelief—Muslims who have actually fought imperialism for centuries, if longer. The irony is that the Wahhabis spent much of their time in Chechnya lecturing Sufi warriors about their supposed “infidelity” and telling them to adopt Wahhabi-style sharia instead of the Sufi adat. You’re a Shia, a member of a persecuted minority: you should be above this mentality. Yet here you’re telling anti-imperialist Sufis that they abandoned Sufism’s nonviolent basis.

Edited March 3 by Northwest

[Ashvazdanghe]

12 hours ago, Northwest said:

h, you are effectively pronouncing takfir on them, calling them ignorant

Hi these totally a batalnt lie about me which I don't know how how you have reached to this conclusion about me which I never have done Takfir on anyone although your speculation looks in similar fashion someone who has affected with Wahabi propganda about victimhood of Wahabi & Salafi backed groups under guise of Sunni Islam branches likewise Sufism & etc .

12 hours ago, Northwest said:

So those Sufis who founded Sufi orders to fight imperialism didn’t know the basics of their own, supposedly apolitical and/or “nonviolent” faith? All those Chechen warrior Sufis who defended their land for millennia were somehow ignorant?

You totally misunderstoo points which all of Chechen wariors whoo has defended their land have been similar to Sunni muslims of Afghanistan who have defended their land against Soviets which majority of them have been affected with radical Wahabism & Salafism although of having different sunni backgrounds which Chechenis in similar fashion of Afghanistan resistance movement  have received similar teachings & support of America & KSA for resisting against Soviets which now all of Chechen wariors are Wahabists which maybe use Sufism as disguise which most violent members of ISIS/Daesh in Syria & Iraq have been Chechen wariors which even Arab members of ISIS/Daesh have been in constant fear of them which only Sufi based wariors in eastern & central europe have been Bosnias which you have completly ignored them which unfortunatwely after totall affection of Chechen wariors by radicl wahabism so then Sufi Bosnian wariors are in edge of turning to radical Wahbists .

12 hours ago, Northwest said:

a world in which there was no separation of religion and politics? Yet they did survive and even founded Sufi orders dedicated to anti-imperialism

Sufi orders have existed before fighting with imperialism in  North of Aferica which some of African Sufi orders have affected by  Shia teachings  after fall of Fatimids in Egypt which many Shias have joined to Sufi orders under doctrine of Taqyia for preserving their lifes from genocide & masscare by Salaudin Ayubi & his succesors which have been sufis who have been agents of  Abbasid dynasti for totall perisshing of Shia islam in Africa & Palestine   which Shias who have joined to African sufi orders have forgotten their Shia roots although Shia teachings have affected teachings of African Sufi orders which  comparing African Sufis  with Chechen wariors as anti Shia backed sufis with America & KSA   is comparing Appales with oranges which sufism in chechen is anti Shia sufism of Salahuddin Ayubi in opposition to Shia affected African Sufi orders.

13 hours ago, Northwest said:

Only armed Sufi believers could have lasted for millennia, defying the various political establishments.

This is a joke because since begining of Sufism it has been supported by cursed Ummayads so then Abbasids because it has been based on seperating religion from politics & wrong quietism of not standing against oppressors & tyrants which even during Abbasids era sufi wariors likewise Salahuddin Ayubi have used for perishing Shia Islam which after fall of Abbasids by Mughals again Sufism have returned to passiveness &  quietism which has been supported by Mughals because Sufism & it's members have supported leaving resitance againnst Mughals & accepting them as new wariors which even Sufis have affected with Shmanism of Mughals which only rsistance of Sufi orders have done by African sufi orders which has been isolated from muslim world since falling of Abbasids by Mughals which also have affected by Shia teachings about resitance against oppressor & etc .

13 hours ago, Northwest said:

The same West also likes to claim that Buddhism is inherently pacifist, yet there are manifold historical records of armed Buddhist sects, many of whom not only defended themselves against non-Buddhist rivals, but also fought among themselves. The same goes for armed Hindu sects.

Alla of so called paciifst sects have been used by British colonizers as a tool for fighting with Islam which in our era all of them have supported & backed up by America & somehow Israel which armed Hindu sects likewise BJP in India  don't hide their support of Zionist Israel  & backing up by it for totall destruction of islam in Indian subcontinent which west tries to show each war aginast Islam   as internal conflicts in Buddhist & Hindus regions besides of whitewashing west & zionists by giving a mix of truth & falshood to people of world .

13 hours ago, Northwest said:

“These participating Sufi groups have gone against original teachings of Sufism...” Try telling that to the Chechens. Just find a time-machine and visit their forefathers. Given the Chechen code of honour you probably would have been lucky to come back alive. Honestly, your mentality sounds like a Wahhabi’s: daring to lecture other Muslims about their supposed “ignorance” and unbelief—Muslims who have actually fought imperialism for centuries, if longer. The irony is that the Wahhabis spent much of their time in Chechnya lecturing Sufi warriors about their supposed “infidelity” and telling them to adopt Wahhabi-style sharia instead of the Sufi adat. 

Chechen sufism is based on adopting pre Islamic racial supermacy of Chechens as chosen wariors which code of their code of honor has been based on stories & sagas of their semi-shamnistic  & pagnisam of their  forfathers with Sufi disguise  which now has been diverted totally to radical Wahabism which only few  people from old generations  have preserves Sufi Adat between Chechen people which they are in edge of perishing by backed Wahabists by Chechen government & KSA which . certainly I don't give lecture in face of them for preserving my life under Taqyia .

13 hours ago, Northwest said:

You’re a Shia, a member of a persecuted minority: you should be above this mentality. Yet here you’re telling anti-imperialist Sufis that they abandoned Sufism’s nonviolent basis.

read & search more about Sufism specially about differnce of Shia affected Sufism in Africa with cursed Ummayad & Abbasid affected sufism in chechen & pan turk sufis.

[Northwest]

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi these totally a blatant lie about me which I don't know how how you have reached to this conclusion about me which I never have done Takfir on anyone although your speculation looks in similar fashion someone who has affected with Wahhabi propaganda about victimhood of Wahhabi & Salafi backed groups under guise of Sunni Islam branches likewise Sufism & etc .

@Ashvazdanghe

Honestly, the following quote of yours sounded a lot like takfir to me, especially the bolded sections (claiming Sufi teachings preclude self-defence):

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Hi participating these Sufi groups have been done against original teachings of Sufism...it has no relation to Sufi teachings which based on quietism...these sufi orders have been de facto rulers of muslim countries who fought for sovereignty of their countries through bypassing Sufi teachings.

So if a) Sufi teachings precluded self-defence yet b) Sufis took up arms against oppressive governments, then the Sufis would be hypocritical infidels. I’m not saying that they were or became infidels, but merely observing that your logic implies that they were infidels. (I mean that they were traitors to their own faith, not to Islam per se.)

Oh, and I’m definitely not influenced by Wahhabi propaganda. After all, Wahhabis and their ilk detest Sufis, and I’m defending the latter vs. the former.

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

You totally misunderstoo points which all of Chechen wariors whoo has defended their land have been similar to Sunni muslims of Afghanistan who have defended their land against Soviets which majority of them have been affected with radical Wahabism & Salafism

Actually the Wahhabis did not play a major role in Chechnya until 1999. Up until that time figures such as the Chechen heads of state Dudayev and Maskhadov consistently opposed Wahhabism. Prior to the second Russian invasion under Putin most Chechens voted for non-Wahhabi, Sufi politicians. In fact the actions of the Wahhabis in 1999 helped the Russians by undermining the authority of the Sufi political leadership. In fact the U.S. criticised Maskhadov for provoking the Russians, and during the Second Chechen War U.K. Foreign Secretary Cook praised Putin’s leadership. At that time the West was largely on the side of Russia vs. Chechnya. In fact the Wahhabis denied Chechnya oil revenue by disrupting existing pipelines, thereby undermining the Sufi Maskhadov’s political leadership.

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

now all of Chechen warriors are Wahabists which maybe use Sufism as disguise which most violent members of ISIS/Daesh in Syria & Iraq have been Chechen wariors which even Arab members of ISIS/Daesh have been in constant fear of them

This is the case now, but was not the case prior to 2000. Even after 2000 many Sufi Chechens continued to fight the Russians. The current Chechen leadership under Kadyrov is in fact closer to the Wahhabis than to the Sufis, for the Chechen government has actually banned Iranian publications about Shiism. In fact Kadyrov, who is himself a corrupt playboy, has praised the Saudi royal family for “fighting extremism” (!), and in turn the Saudis have invested billions of dollars in Chechnya. So there is a clear Putin–Wahhabi alliance in Chechnya vis-à-vis Kadyrov. In return Kadyrov’s leadership oppresses the genuine Sufis who continue to fight Russia, while promoting the Wahhabis to kill off the Sufis and help Russia justify its occupation. Kadyrov’s anti-Shia stance also fits the Russian leadership’s pro-Zionist, pro-Turkish policy in Syria, the Caucasus, and elsewhere.

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

which only Sufi based warriors in eastern & central Europe have been Bosnians which you have completely ignored them

Yes, I should have mentioned the Bosnians as well.

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Sufi orders have existed before fighting with imperialism in  North of Aferica which some of African Sufi orders have affected by  Shia teachings  after fall of Fatimids in Egypt which many Shias have joined to Sufi orders under doctrine of Taqyia for preserving their lifes from genocide & masscare by Salaudin Ayubi & his succesors which have been sufis who have been agents of  Abbasid dynasti for totall perisshing of Shia islam in Africa & Palestine   which Shias who have joined to African sufi orders have forgotten their Shia roots although Shia teachings have affected teachings of African Sufi orders which  comparing African Sufis  with Chechen wariors as anti Shia backed sufis with America & KSA   is comparing Appales with oranges which sufism in chechen is anti Shia sufism of Salahuddin Ayubi in opposition to Shia affected African Sufi orders.

This is an interesting counter-history, though it is somewhat difficult to verify. It’s certainly plausible, but I need access to good sources about all this.

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

This is a joke because since begining of Sufism it has been supported by cursed Ummayads so then Abbasids because it has been based on seperating religion from politics & wrong quietism of not standing against oppressors & tyrants which even during Abbasids era sufi wariors likewise Salahuddin Ayubi have used for perishing Shia Islam which after fall of Abbasids by Mughals again Sufism have returned to passiveness &  quietism which has been supported by Mughals because Sufism & it's members have supported leaving resitance againnst Mughals & accepting them as new wariors which even Sufis have affected with Shamanism of Mughals which only resistance of Sufi orders have done by African sufi orders which has been isolated from muslim world since falling of Abbasids by Mughals which also have affected by Shia teachings about resitance against oppressor & etc .

^ Again, as I mentioned previously, I would like some sources to corroborate this. It could very well be true, but I am interested in seeing the material.

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Alla of so called paciifst sects have been used by British colonizers as a tool for fighting with Islam which in our era all of them have supported & backed up by America & somehow Israel which armed Hindu sects likewise BJP in India  don't hide their support of Zionist Israel  & backing up by it for totall destruction of islam in Indian subcontinent which west tries to show each war aginast Islam   as internal conflicts in Buddhist & Hindus regions besides of whitewashing west & zionists by giving a mix of truth & falshood to people of world .

Wait, are you saying that some of those “Buddhists and Hindus” were Muslims, and that wars within and between Buddhism and Hinduism were against Islam?

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Chechen sufism is based on adopting pre Islamic racial supermacy of Chechens as chosen wariors which code of their code of honor has been based on stories & sagas of their semi-shamnistic  & pagnisam of their  forfathers with Sufi disguise

As far as “racial supremacy” is concerned: doesn’t the insistence on “Arabic-only” prayer reflect a similar mentality? You know, “Arabic is the heavenly language” and so on. It’s rather strange, given Arabs’ hostility to Shiism, that their language should be accorded supremacy. How is “Arabic-only” distinct from Arab supremacism and superior to Chechen supremacism?

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

which now has been diverted totally to radical Wahabism which only few  people from old generations  have preserves Sufi Adat between Chechen people which they are in edge of perishing by backed Wahabists by Chechen government & KSA

Yes, I am referring to the fact that the Sufi adat is being suppressed by the Wahhabis and their allies in the Russian, Western, and Zionist governments.

5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

read & search more about Sufism specially about differnce of Shia affected Sufism in Africa with cursed Ummayad & Abbasid affected sufism in chechen & pan turk sufis.

Okay, I will definitely do some research of my own. I too am struggling to “read between the lines” and discover the truth about all this.

[Ashvazdanghe]

21 hours ago, Northwest said:

Honestly, the following quote of yours sounded a lot like takfir to me, especially the bolded sections (claiming Sufi teachings preclude self-defence):

Hi you use a dangerous word too cheaply for anyone who opposes your ideas without knowing it's real meaning which certainly opposition someone doesn't mean doing Takfir on someone so therefore stop using it before knowing it's menaning completely.

21 hours ago, Northwest said:

then the Sufis would be hypocritical infidels. I’m not saying that they were or became infidels, but merely observing that your logic implies that they were infidels. (I mean that they were traitors to their own faith, not to Islam per se.)

You don't know meaning of inifidel & hypocrit too which don't use such dangerous word before knwoing these word completely .

21 hours ago, Northwest said:

a) Sufi teachings precluded self-defence yet b) Sufis took up arms against oppressive governments

Thisi is not black & white about a) than b) anyway a) statement  is true  which their tradition is likewise christians that Christians say that if someone claped at one side of your face so then bring other side of face for second clap which Sufis are similar to Christians in this matter .

b) statement is not true because based on all sunni sects specially Sufis taking up arms against government even oppressiv government is forbidden (Haram).

both of them doesn't mean that they are "hypocritical infidels" although they have wong undesrstanding from Islam due to founding Sufism by hypocrits .

21 hours ago, Northwest said:

Actually the Wahhabis did not play a major role in Chechnya until 1999. Up until that time figures such as the Chechen heads of state Dudayev and Maskhadov consistently opposed Wahhabism. Prior to the second Russian invasion under Putin most Chechens voted for non-Wahhabi, Sufi politicians. In fact the actions of the Wahhabis in 1999 helped the Russians by undermining the authority of the Sufi political leadership. In fact the U.S. criticised Maskhadov for provoking the Russians, and during the Second Chechen War U.K. Foreign Secretary Cook praised Putin’s leadership. At that time the West was largely on the side of Russia vs. Chechnya. In fact the Wahhabis denied Chechnya oil revenue by disrupting existing pipelines, thereby undermining the Sufi Maskhadov’s political leadership.

You have a point which Sufi leadrs have wanted to have their country based on their race & language & belief system in similar fashion of Tajikestan& Uzbakistan & etc through peaceful means but on the other hand Wahabis have turned it into a bloody war by doing terrorist attacks  inside Russia by support of America & funding of Turkey & KSA which then they have used Sufism disguise for acccusing russia to fighting with Sufis & spreading a propganda by America & Turkey & KSA through wahabis under guise of fighting Sufis with imperialist Russia which now they are following follow similar procedure about Uighurs & China .

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Its scale and grandeur are intended as public statement. At a cost of $20 million, it will be a sprawling complex, with room for a religious school and a residence for the mufti, said Amradin Adilgeriyev, an adviser to RamzanKadyrov, Chechnya's pro-Kremlin premier and son of the slain president.

In 1991, when Chechnya declared independence from Russia, the Kunta- Haji brotherhoods, long underground, fought again. The author SebastianSmith, who covered the Chechen wars and wrote "Allah's Mountains: Politics and War in the Russian Caucasus," noted how they became a source of rebel resolve.

At one zikr ceremony he observed, the men were dancing, he wrote, until, a Russian bomber screamed low overhead, buzzing the village. Smith watched their reaction: "No one even looks up. The whooping grows louder."The Sufis also resisted the influx of Wahhabists who came to fight Russia beside them, but whose version of Islam aligned more closely with the Taliban.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/23/world/europe/23iht-grozny.html

 

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The battle for the soul of Chechnya

With separatist rebels embracing radical Islam, the republic's Moscow-backed president is busy promoting a Sufi revival, finds Tom Parfitt in Khadzi Aul

 

Ramzan Kadyrov. The renaissance comes as the last 700-odd rebels fighting Mr Kadyrov's pro-Moscow administration have lurched toward radical Islam.

 

Earlier this month the rebel leader, Doku Umarov, announced he was extended his movement's battle against Russian-backed security forces to include a wider "holy war" against the US, Britain, and Israel. "All those waging war against Islam and Muslims are our enemies," he said.

 

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In proclaiming jihad, Mr Umarov marked a final break with the separatists' aims in the 1990s, when they gained international sympathy in their attempt to break away from Russia.

 

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Chechnya's rebels started out as a largely secular force, led by the dapper former Russian air force general Dzhokhar Dudayev, who sported a pressed uniform and a neatly clipped moustache; now their main commanders are fundamentalists with ties in the Middle East who want to carve out an Islamic caliphate across Russia's North Caucasus region.

 

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Moderates such as Akhmed Zakayev, the Chechen separatist envoy who lives in London, have been rapidly sidelined. The transformation in the rebel movement has allowed Mr Kadyrov and his pro-Kremlin allies to assume the mantle of moderate Islam by practising Sufism, a mystic form of the religion that emphasises a personal union with God.

"The Wahhabis offer nothing but death and destruction," said Sultan Mirzayev, mufti of Chechnya and a close ally of Mr Kadyrov, in an interview at his offices in Grozny. "We want to revive our homeland and give its people hope."

Sufism has been the dominant form of Islam in Chechnya for almost two centuries but was forced underground in Soviet times.

 

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And when Russian troops attacked breakaway Chechnya in the early 1990s, separatist fighters were often seen performing the stirring ritual the zikr, during which murids dance in a circle while crying hypnotic chants.

But these Sufi forces were later slowly replaced by radical militants who despised their devotion to saints and dervishes.

Today, it is not independence fighters who are leading the Sufi revival but rather the supporters of Mr Kadyrov, who has strong backing from the Russian president, Vladimir Putin.

 

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Mr Kadyrov, a murid of the Qadiri order, holds a zikr at his home every Thursday evening in honour of his father, who was assassinated in 2004. Vakhit Akayev, an expert on Sufism at Grozny State University, said it was not so strange that the pro-Moscow administration was now championing Sufism

The militants remain a dangerous force, and have vowed to kill "the puppet Kadyrov".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/nov/22/chechnya.tomparfitt

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Under Soviet rule, Muslim subjects were expected to live out an unrealizable ideal: being a “Soviet in public” but a “Muslim in private”.[24] Unexpectedly, this policy ended up privileging certain Sufi orders in the North Caucasus (most notably, the Qadiri and Naqshbandi brotherhoods) whose belief systems were based mainly on ritual, private practice such as the performance of dhikr (ritual recitation and repetition of religious phrases) and not on large-scale political practice, legal thought, or identity-based movements

The same promotion of Sufi ideology and the Qadiri tariqa continues under the leadership of his son, Ramzan, who was appointed Head of Chechnya in 2007 and remains in power today. The younger Kadyrov has created a cult of personality around himself and his martyred father, and uses the substantial resources he receives from the Russian central state and the ideological legitimacy from the Qadiri brotherhood to wage an all-out war on Salafi movements in Chechnya.

 

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Qadiriyya supremacy in official religious institutions drained resources and support from other Sufi tariqa in the Chechen Republic, particularly the Naqshbandi order. The Kadyrov family’s political preference towards the Qadiri tariqa exacerbated the differences between the previously co-existent Naqshbandi and Qadiri orders: although both are highly connected to Chechen nationalism

 

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the form of dhikr practiced by the Qadiriyya is loud, public, and demonstrative, while the Naqshbandi dhikr is silent, private, and contemplative. In terms of leadership, “Qadiri adherents favored a more centralized form of organization than Naqshbandis and placed more stress on the role of individual sheikhs”.[39] The preferences of the Kadyrov family placed the Naqshbandi order outside the scope of public institution-building, which made it a “second-class” order to the Qadiriyya.

 

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How can one describe the “official version” of Chechen Islam as advocated by the Kadyrov family? It resembles no other system of Islam in the world – a conglomerate of Qadiri thought, the political realities of the Chechen Republic, and personal idiosyncrasies. As described by one observer:

[Islam] in Kadyrov’s Chechnya is an outlandish mish-mash created from the preferences of Kadyrov himself (amongst other things, his passion for noisy, glittering contests and sumptuous festivals), national customs, Chechen messianism, twisted fragments of shari’a, secular social practices, abstract slogans of unity with Russia, and many other things. With the best will in the world, it is hard to call this a coherent social doctrine.[40]

 

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The lack of similarity with any other Sufi doctrines around the world reveals the unique political considerations at play behind why “Kadyrovism” has developed as it has. In this case, there may be very little that is “traditional” about the “traditionalist” variant of Islam.

 

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Salafi Muslims in the Chechen Republic have developed their own set of “parallel institutions”: schools, mosques, and political mobilization. For the majority of post-Soviet history, Chechen Salafis have used militant and insurgent movements as their primary political institutions, as many traditional methods of contestation have been shut off to Salafi adherents.  The Salafi regional militant groups are referred to as jamaat.

Due to the threat of persecution, it is hard to gauge how prevalent Salafism is in the Chechen Republic or how many followers it has. Nevertheless, evidence of Salafi demonstrations and organizations in the Chechen Republic is abundant, and at a bare minimum it exists as a “boogeyman” in political discourse due to Kadyrov’s constant comments that “Wahhabists” and “foreign terrorists” are a threat to the Republic and the “traditional form of Islam”.[43] Many of the trends driving the development of Sufi Islam in the Chechen Republic are predicated on the global growth of Salafism, even if its influence in the Chechen Republic is limited.

 

22 hours ago, Northwest said:

ctually the Wahhabis did not play a major role in Chechnya until 1999. Up until that time figures such as the Chechen heads of state Dudayev and Maskhadov consistently opposed Wahhabism. Prior to the second Russian invasion under Putin most Chechens voted for non-Wahhabi, Sufi politicians. In fact the actions of the Wahhabis in 1999 helped the Russians by undermining the authority of the Sufi political leadership.

 

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Salafi institutions in the Chechen Republic have undergone three distinct transformations during the post-Soviet era: first, from small battalions of foreign fighters during the interwar period to large militant insurgency groups (1996–1999); second, from regional organizations to pan-Caucasian Salafi organizations under the global framework of Al Qaeda (1999–2012); and finally and most recently, as a result of cross-border movement of militants to join the conflicts in Syria and Iraq (2012–present).

an incident in 2015 where graffiti was found in Kadyrov’s hometown of Tsentaroi (Khosi-Yurt), including the ISIL flag and an English declaration that “Khosi-Yurt is Support ISIS (sic)”.[45] Until 2015, most Salafi militant groups in the Chechen Republic were allied with Imarat Kavkaz, an Al Qaeda regional affiliate, but most have now switched to ISIL since Imarat Kavkaz regional emir Aslan Byutukayev declared allegiance to ISIL in June 2015.[46] While the dynamic of competition between Al Qaeda and ISIL plays out in a number of areas around the world, the particular transformation in the North Caucasus is partially a result of changes in the local political environment; groups adapt to become more successful in dynamic and rapidly changing political atmospheres.

 

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The Kadyrovtsy, with help from the Russian FSB (the Federal’naja Sluzhba Bezopasnosti – the main security agency in the Russian Federation, and the primary successor to the USSR’s KGB), were largely successful in eliminating organized insurgent activity in the mountainous wooded areas of the Chechen Republic, and the overall rate of terrorist attacks in the Republic has dropped off considerably since Kadyrov’s installation in 2007.[47]

 

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Salafi institutions also legitimate violence to compete with the state-run Sufi institutions for influence. During the 2000s, the organization Imarat Kavkaz (Caucasus Emirate) was responsible for a slew of terrorist attacks throughout the Chechen Republic, the North Caucasus, and Russia as a whole. Although Salafi militant movements are far less organized today than they were in the past, individual adherents still manage to conduct pointed attacks against Sufi religious infrastructure. In late 2015, a group of (presumably Salafi) arsonists burned down the mausoleum of a 19th century Sufi saint from the Qadiri tariqa in the town of Shali; Salafis view elaborate gravesites for saints as contrary to the Islamic principle of tawhid (monotheism).[51]

 

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They view the Qadiri Sufi legal system, which combines shari’ah principles with Chechen adat (folk laws) as a conflation between the role of Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and the role of humans. In addition, they find many of the personalistic interpretations of the Quran and hadith used in Sufi Islam (e.g. the emphasis on dhikr, sometimes with the use of musical instruments, and Sufi mystical practices) to be bid’a, or unnecessary deviation from the original law. Another critique concerns Sufi celebration of various saints and holy figures, including the common practice of praying at gravesites.

Sufi organizations have also received a large share of foreign investment (often from the same countries that Russia accuses of sponsoring Salafi extremism, such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia).[15] The situation in the Chechen Republic today, where foreign investment is the highest in the North Caucasus and the most powerful institutions are Sufi orders, not Salafi mosques and extremist groups, helps to dispel the idea that foreign influence is necessarily correlated with the rise of Salafi Islam. Thus, it may be true that foreign support is an objective of the Sufi-Salafi competition for resources; however, it is not the cause of it.

The sociological approach simplifies the multiplicity of disputes in the North Caucasus to the single narrative that conservative forms of Islam develop out of revolt against the domination of Russian rule. Salafi Islam is seen as primarily a form of resistance on behalf of Muslims in the North Caucasus – an attempt to reclaim their identity and wrest power back from the central government in Moscow. The sociological approach “cuts out the middleman”: over the past ten years, the Russian federal government has increasingly delegated responsibility for policy regarding religious authority and countering extremism to the republics of the North Caucasus.[16]  In response to these changes, the modern Salafi movement in the North Caucasus has adapted to not only criticize the Russian federal government but also local political structures, non-governmental actors, and international actors.

https://geohistory.today/islamic-conflict-chechnya/

Chechen mufti announces ban on Shiism and ‘Wahhabism’ in Chechnya

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Salakh Mezhiyev, the head of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Chechnya said on 24 April that there would be no other branches of Islam present in Chechnya, except Sunni Islam. He alleged that the Iranian embassy in Russia distributed missionary literature in order to recruit new followers in its ranks.

 

‘We all should be vigilant. Russia has its own relations with Iran, which through its cultural centres spreads books such as Ayatollah Said Ali al-Sistani’s Collected fatwas, Hossein Saidi’s Character of the Prophet of Islam and Character of Ali ibn Abi Talib. These and many other books confuse youth. If you don’t know the author or if you question the book’s content, don’t sell it, don’t buy it, or read it! There are Russian translations as well, published by the Shia. You can not read and follow their information. We warn people that we won’t allow neither Shiism, Wahhabism, nor any other branches, which contradict Sunnism in Chechnya’, Mezhiyev stated.

The mufti also stressed the merits of Chechnya’s leader Ramzan Kadyrov in strengthening Islam in Chechnya. He called Kadyrov ‘the Lion of Allah’.

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Three years ago, Sunni followers in Ingushetia organised an attack on a house where Shias conducted religious rituals. Also, some religious authorities appealed to the head of Ingushetia, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov with a request to ban the spread of Shiism in the republic. Yevkurov responded that Ingushetia was a part of Russia where freedom of religion is respected.

https://oc-media.org/chechen-mufti-announces-ban-on-shiism-and-wahhabism-in-chechnya/

https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/tashayu-conversion-to-shiism-in-central-asia-and-russia-