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The "shia" of today are uninterested in such a discussion.
Why would they bother?


They already have the right to a yearly Muharram programme as well as the annual "we stand against oppression" parade. That's sufficient for them......... they are content.

it's like taking candy from a baby.

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“I don’t know, I don’t want to know, and I don’t care.”

Depraved Indifference.

There used to be an actual crime call DEPRAVED INDIFFERENCE.

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To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant’s conduct must be ‘so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.

Permit me to put it in regular language. It used to be a CRIME to look the other way when potential harm was inflicted upon an innocent victim. If a person was aware of the crime, AND DID NOTHING ABOUT IT, the witness was just as guilty as the person who actually performed the criminal act. Looking the other way…not getting involved…ignoring the danger to others was a crime.

Indifference, being unconcerned about potential harm to another, was a criminal act. Today, it is modus operandi for the average American. That behavior was considered DEPRAVED, “void of good moral judgement.” Standing by and watching harm be done to another human being without intervening was a depravity of the worst kind.

Ponder that. “I don’t know and I don’t care used to be a crime.”

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2 hours ago, hamz786 said:

As Salamu Alaykum

@EiE @justAnothermuslim what kind of stuff can we do to oppose something like this?

 

Inform yourself, and tell others. Spread awareness. The good thing is that the WEF elites in Davos don't beat around the bush. They are directly saying what they want to impose on other people. They directly tell you that they want digital surveillance, and for people to stop eating meat. You can get on Twitter and find videos of them saying what they want. So just share the information to your friends and peers

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23 hours ago, hamz786 said:

As Salamu Alaykum

@EiE @justAnothermuslim what kind of stuff can we do to oppose something like this?

 

Muslims are among WEF's supporters and one of their major sponsors.

In sha Allah, the only ones who can stop it are Imam Mahdi and his true companions, not the fake ones you see praise him, but then go bow down to their taghut masters, which has been proven numerous times.

 

 

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Well, apparently Ukraine is a special case that is more worthy of support than Palestine. Then again, Ukraine is the place where all the global leaders launder their money. So of course it's more important to them than Palestine

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/19/ukraine-a-special-case-emails-show-wef-palestine-hypocrisy

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On 1/19/2023 at 5:20 AM, Dubilex said:

I'm surprised nobody has made a topic about WEF and the influence it wields. Every year, many politicians and business leaders around the world meet in Davos to discuss how they supposedly are gonna save the world by 2030. What I've seen instead however, is that they wish to control humanity through orwellian 1984 surveillance, and impose a biomedical dictatorship on the world. Not to mention that nobody elected these elites to dictate the future of the whole world

It's also pretty ironic that greedy billionaires are gathering to discuss how lift people out of poverty, the same people they impoverished in the first place. It's like asking the arsonists to put out the fire he started

But, I would like to know what other people here think about WEF and their 2030 vision. What do you think of globalization?

Salaams Dubilex. Its good you posted this as this is a major issue for the world. I'm surprised this was not brought up before and deserves a section of its own.  Its a evil vision they have for the world and its going at a very fast rate. Its very clear they are want to control humanity. So far it seems most if not all nearly all governments of the world have given in to that the w.e.f and w.h.o. 

Globalization itself is a good thing as long its done for the benefit of mankind and the wealth is shared and between nations. 

I have found quiet a few groups on telegram (all English groups, I have not seen any Muslim ones talking about this yet)

Their is the world health organisation, and few others mainly covering allot of news in the covid agenda  but also more on the wef now. 

I thought about what we could do in these challenging  times?

Someone said  here we could share the news sources with others.

The other is we could come together here and share our ideas of Imam Mahdi's as platform and my humble take on it is directly find a way to approach these institutions and show them their is a better way (God's way, prophet and Ahlul bayt as)

Something I learnt from experiences when dealing with negative forces-is to focus all our faith, straight and creativity on building a great visionary world (even small steps)

It might be something God is calling each individual towards. But it is there and it whilst they attempt to build their negative world, we with the help of God will build the world that is destined to come Insha Allah,. 

Just like the prophets did. 

And just like the Ahlul Bayt as did.  

Let's share some inspiring ideas. 

We could do 

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On 1/19/2023 at 8:35 PM, EiE said:

The "shia" of today are uninterested in such a discussion.
Why would they bother?


They already have the right to a yearly Muharram programme as well as the annual "we stand against oppression" parade. That's sufficient for them......... they are content.

it's like taking candy from a baby.

Salam majority of people of world are uninterested in such a discussion which only some of fans of conspiracy theories hvae been interested about it which majority of "Shia of today" are unaware from WEF which it doesn't mean that they are  uninterested about it because only few people know about WEF & 2030 vision which majority of Shias have oppsed 2030 vision shias  specially Axis of resistance as Iran , Iraq & Lebanon & Syria although majority of shias are unaware rule of WEF &etc about supporting 2030 vision .

About Muharram only some groups of Shias in Axis of resistance as Iran , Iraq & Lebanon & Syria & some of Shias in europe & Ameica have  right to a yearly Muharram programme parade which in countries likewise Afhanistan & Pakistan & Nigeria  they do it with high fear of death by radicals which in similar fashion it has totally banned in so called Muslim countries likewise KSA , Bahrain & Azebaijan (KBA) don't have " permission  for "yearly Muharram programme"  which these three countries of KBA are moving too fast toward applying 2030 vision in their countries which main obstacle in applying it is presence of Shias in their coutries which Shias are main opposing group against 2030 in KBA .

On 1/22/2023 at 4:05 PM, EiE said:

Muslims are among WEF's supporters and one of their major sponsors.

In sha Allah, the only ones who can stop it are Imam Mahdi and his true companions, not the fake ones you see praise him, but then go bow down to their taghut masters, which has been proven numerous times.

 

 

Mind your language ,This is just your conclusion which although I have agreement which only Imam Mahdi (aj) and his true companions can stop it but on the other hand some of muslims specially Shias have not bowed down to Taghut which from your previous threads it's clear that you have opposed government of Iran just based on zionist propganda against it which clearly Zionist have main rule in WEF & 2030 vision & current interpretation of globalization which clearly due to opposing shias specially Axis of Resistance against Zionist Israel so therefore Axis of Resistance  have opposed WEF & 2030 vision & current interpretation of globalization & etc.

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On 1/19/2023 at 10:20 PM, Dubilex said:

I'm surprised nobody has made a topic about WEF and the influence it wields. Every year, many politicians and business leaders around the world meet in Davos to discuss how they supposedly are gonna save the world by 2030. What I've seen instead however, is that they wish to control humanity through orwellian 1984 surveillance, and impose a biomedical dictatorship on the world. Not to mention that nobody elected these elites to dictate the future of the whole world

It's also pretty ironic that greedy billionaires are gathering to discuss how lift people out of poverty, the same people they impoverished in the first place. It's like asking the arsonists to put out the fire he started

But, I would like to know what other people here think about WEF and their 2030 vision. What do you think of globalization?

Some people are too busy for these discussions they’d rather focus on watching TikTok and if Messi is better than Ronaldo

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

About Muharram only some groups of Shias in Axis of resistance as Iran , Iraq & Lebanon & Syria & some of Shias in europe & Ameica have  right to a yearly Muharram programme parade

Salam but in these parades I understand it’s a stand against oppression and tyranny but do people openly have anti-WEF or anti-Klaus signs in these parades?

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On 1/24/2023 at 11:59 PM, Activate your inner truth said:

Globalization itself is a good thing as long its done for the benefit of mankind and the wealth is shared and between nations. 

Depends what you mean by globalization. If you mean things like different countries and people interacting with each other, countries conducting fair trade with each other, I'm all for it. But if you're talking about a global one world government, that would be hell on earth. No matter if it's WEF or a global caliphate. The road to hell is paved with good intentions

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On 1/24/2023 at 4:59 PM, Activate your inner truth said:

Salaams Dubilex. Its good you posted this as this is a major issue for the world. I'm surprised this was not brought up before and deserves a section of its own.  Its a evil vision they have for the world and its going at a very fast rate. Its very clear they are want to control humanity. So far it seems most if not all nearly all governments of the world have given in to that the w.e.f and w.h.o. 

Globalization itself is a good thing as long its done for the benefit of mankind and the wealth is shared and between nations. 

I have found quiet a few groups on telegram (all English groups, I have not seen any Muslim ones talking about this yet)

Their is the world health organisation, and few others mainly covering allot of news in the covid agenda  but also more on the wef now. 

I thought about what we could do in these challenging  times?

Someone said  here we could share the news sources with others.

The other is we could come together here and share our ideas of Imam Mahdi's as platform and my humble take on it is directly find a way to approach these institutions and show them their is a better way (God's way, prophet and Ahlul bayt as)

Something I learnt from experiences when dealing with negative forces-is to focus all our faith, straight and creativity on building a great visionary world (even small steps)

It might be something God is calling each individual towards. But it is there and it whilst they attempt to build their negative world, we with the help of God will build the world that is destined to come Insha Allah,. 

Just like the prophets did. 

And just like the Ahlul Bayt as did.  

Let's share some inspiring ideas. We could do

Salaams Dubilex. Its good you posted this as this is a major issue for the world. I'm surprised this was not brought up before and deserves a section of its own.  Its a evil vision they have for the world and its going at a very fast rate. Then again Pharaoh and others also wanted to rule the world and they failed.  Its very clear they are want to control humanity. So far it seems most-  governments have given in to the w.e.f. and w.h.o

Globalization itself is a good thing as long its done for the benefit of mankind and we all co cooperatively create wealth that reaches everyone.

I have found quiet a few groups on telegram about w.e.f  (all English groups, I have not seen any Muslim ones talking about this yet)

The main things covered was the covid agenda but the w.e.f and w.h.o is being reported on more.

I thought about what we could do in these challenging times?

You mentioned about spreading awareness and that is a great start.

They are making their programs very clear, and I think to myself other than  a very few Muslims, most do not seem to have the same desire and passion for the vision of the Mahdi as.

Like EiE said, the only one who wills top this is Imam Mhadi as and his supporters.

The other is we could come together here and share our ideas of Imam Mahdi's as platform and my humble take on it is directly find a way to approach these institutions and show them their is a better way (God's way, prophet and Ahlul bayt as)

Something I learnt from experiences when dealing with negative forces-is to focus all our faith, strength  and creativity on building a great visionary world,I believe Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) gave us that so we can do our best.

It might be something God is calling each individual towards. But its there and it whilst they attempt to build their negative world, we with the help of God will build the world that is destined to come Insha Allah.

The same way the prophet and Ahul bayt as built the world.

Would love to share  some inspiring ideas with others.

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4 hours ago, Dubilex said:

Depends what you mean by globalization. If you mean things like different countries and people interacting with each other, countries conducting fair trade with each other, I'm all for it. But if you're talking about a global one world government, that would be hell on earth. No matter if it's WEF or a global caliphate. The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Hi Dubilex, yes that's I meant, countries and people interacting with each other and having a cooperative free wealth sharing system.  One free of a one world government. 

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1 hour ago, 313_Waiter said:

Salam but in these parades I understand it’s a stand against oppression and tyranny but do people openly have anti-WEF or anti-Klaus signs in these parades?

Salam it's not necessary to have anti-WEF or anti-Klaus signs in these parades which also these signs are unknown by majority of people because these satanic groups likewise WEF & etc change their signs time to time but on the other hand their procedue is same as procedure of cursed Muawiah 7 cursed Yazid which if they have been alive now so then they would be CEOs &  leaders of WEF & etc which rising black banner for mourning of imam Hussain (عليه السلام) means opposing all different signs & banners of cursed Shaitan & his followers .

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Globalisation is basically synonymous with capitalism. One of the biggest tenets of the WEF et al. is free trade: the unobstructed movement of capital. Capital also includes the human sort, hence open borders, deregulation, and so on. Yet capitalism and globalisation do not arise naturally, but require a uniform, integrated political order, exchange rate, currency, and so on. So the trend toward a one-world government is generated by the forces of capitalism and globalisation. Governments that oppose free trade and open borders are systematically discredited, destabilised, and overthrown. The ousters of Trump and Bolsonaro, which were really hybrid-style coups, are no different from similar activities that Western capitalists have carried on since the Renaissance. Just recently there was yet another U.S.-backed coup in Latin America, this time by the Biden administration. Biden himself is a major proponent of the neoliberal Washington Consensus, a blend of social liberalism and hardcore capitalism. Soon the biggest capitalists will even “own” microchipped, cyborg-like “ex-men” as slaves: just check out Klaus Schwab’s own words in the preceding link. Humans have just become capitalists’ private property, complete with patents and digital IDs.

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2 hours ago, Northwest said:

Globalisation is basically synonymous with capitalism. One of the biggest tenets of the WEF et al. is free trade: the unobstructed movement of capital. Capital also includes the human sort, hence open borders, deregulation, and so on. Yet capitalism and globalisation do not arise naturally, but require a uniform, integrated political order, exchange rate, currency, and so on. So the trend toward a one-world government is generated by the forces of capitalism and globalisation. Governments that oppose free trade and open borders are systematically discredited, destabilised, and overthrown. The ousters of Trump and Bolsonaro, which were really hybrid-style coups, are no different from similar activities that Western capitalists have carried on since the Renaissance. Just recently there was yet another U.S.-backed coup in Latin America, this time by the Biden administration. Biden himself is a major proponent of the neoliberal Washington Consensus, a blend of social liberalism and hardcore capitalism. Soon the biggest capitalists will even “own” microchipped, cyborg-like “ex-men” as slaves: just check out Klaus Schwab’s own words in the preceding link. Humans have just become capitalists’ private property, complete with patents and digital IDs.

Ah not really. WEF brand of globalism is heavily inspired by communism and marxism. Their ultimate goal is to establish a communist utopia where people will own nothing and somehow be happy with it. Capitalism is just a means to an end for them. They want to implement the same marxism-leninism dictatorship that China has. WEF, much like communism, wants to do away with religion and private ownership

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2 hours ago, Dubilex said:

Ah not really. WEF brand of globalism is heavily inspired by communism and Marxism. Their ultimate goal is to establish a communist utopia where people will own nothing and somehow be happy with it.

@Dubilex

You may be surprised to discover that private property, in the contractual, legal sense, did not exist in medieval societies. For example, private property was rare in much of the Ottoman Empire prior to the introduction of Western capitalism after 1858, which took place as a result of the Tanzimat. Land was either held by the Sultan or the local community, clan, family, tribe, etc., being passed down successively to the head or chief (primogeniture). Indeed, classical Marxism draws a distinction between capitalism and feudalism. Feudal landowners are by nature pre-/anti-capitalist and therefore somewhat similar to Marxists in this regard.

Marxism looks at the productive relations that exist under capitalism, including profit, individual title to property, wage-labour, and exchange (buying and selling). Marx himself stated that he wished to abolish the wages system, along with profit, exchange, and private property. By contrast, the WEF aims to turn products into services. In other words, even items such as clothing may be “rented” as part of a subscription for a certain period of time. Average people will no longer “own” a lot of things, but they will be charged money for services. So profit and wage-labour will still exist, as the guaranteed minimum income suggests.

I don’t like the WEF’s agenda at all, but I don’t think it’s “communist“ per se. I also think that one needs to define terms such as “Marxism” by reading original sources.

2 hours ago, Dubilex said:

Capitalism is just a means to an end for them.

I doubt that. For example, in 2009 the Obama–Biden–Clinton administration intervened to overthrow a Honduran president who was too close to Hugo Chávez. Globalists such as Biden have a record of supporting capitalist measures such as privatisation. Even now the Biden administration is doubling down on Trump’s policies by covertly privatising social programmes such as Medicare. I already mentioned how Biden just overthrew a Peruvian government and installed a neoliberal successor. Ironically, the President whom Biden just overthrew belonged to a partly-Marxist political party.

2 hours ago, Dubilex said:

WEF, much like communism, wants to do away with religion and private ownership

The WEF definitely wants to do away with religion, but the means of production will still be privately owned. After all, the masses themselves aren’t going to own the banks and corporations that will run the one-world government and charge people for various services. Also, even religious sources such as the Book of Revelation in the New Testament intimate that the NWO of the Dajjal/Antichrist will still contain capitalist features. For example, Revelation 13:16–17 (KJV):

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And he causeth all...to receive a mark...And that no man might buy or sell, save that he had the mark...

As I mentioned earlier, Marx wanted to outlaw buying and selling, yet here the NT says that buying and selling will be sanctioned in the NWO, albeit only with a “licence.”

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11 hours ago, Northwest said:

@Dubilex

You may be surprised to discover that private property, in the contractual, legal sense, did not exist in medieval societies. For example, private property was rare in much of the Ottoman Empire prior to the introduction of Western capitalism after 1858, which took place as a result of the Tanzimat. Land was either held by the Sultan or the local community, clan, family, tribe, etc., being passed down successively to the head or chief (primogeniture). Indeed, classical Marxism draws a distinction between capitalism and feudalism. Feudal landowners are by nature pre-/anti-capitalist and therefore somewhat similar to Marxists in this regard.

Marxism looks at the productive relations that exist under capitalism, including profit, individual title to property, wage-labour, and exchange (buying and selling). Marx himself stated that he wished to abolish the wages system, along with profit, exchange, and private property. By contrast, the WEF aims to turn products into services. In other words, even items such as clothing may be “rented” as part of a subscription for a certain period of time. Average people will no longer “own” a lot of things, but they will be charged money for services. So profit and wage-labour will still exist, as the guaranteed minimum income suggests.

I don’t like the WEF’s agenda at all, but I don’t think it’s “communist“ per se. I also think that one needs to define terms such as “Marxism” by reading original sources.

I doubt that. For example, in 2009 the Obama–Biden–Clinton administration intervened to overthrow a Honduran president who was too close to Hugo Chávez. Globalists such as Biden have a record of supporting capitalist measures such as privatisation. Even now the Biden administration is doubling down on Trump’s policies by covertly privatising social programmes such as Medicare. I already mentioned how Biden just overthrew a Peruvian government and installed a neoliberal successor. Ironically, the President whom Biden just overthrew belonged to a partly-Marxist political party.

The WEF definitely wants to do away with religion, but the means of production will still be privately owned. After all, the masses themselves aren’t going to own the banks and corporations that will run the one-world government and charge people for various services. Also, even religious sources such as the Book of Revelation in the New Testament intimate that the NWO of the Dajjal/Antichrist will still contain capitalist features. For example, Revelation 13:16–17 (KJV):

As I mentioned earlier, Marx wanted to outlaw buying and selling, yet here the NT says that buying and selling will be sanctioned in the NWO, albeit only with a “licence.”

You're doing a lot of gaslighting. Shows how ignorant you are. Hope inshallah you will wake up from your ignorance and study what communism and marxism is about

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On 1/26/2023 at 7:55 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

majority of "Shia of today" are unaware from WEF which it doesn't mean that they are  uninterested about it because only few people know about WEF & 2030 vision

By saying this, you stepped into your own trap. Because why are they unware about such an important issue? but they are not unaware of how much % of riba they can take in loans, or how many days to do tawbah if they accidently drank alcohol (you get my points)..... Perhaps it's the fault of such and such islamic leaders?

Because, from what i can see it can mean these things regarding world islamic leaders, ayatullahs included:

1. They are unaware of this problem

2. They don't care in the slightest;

3. It doesn't align with their political or personal objectives.

4. They support the WEF

5. They are not in such position to make these announcement (which is doubtful)

 

I don't know, but I'm trying to make the point that if the Taghut system is putting these things into place to destroy our deen, how can islamic leaders leave such a significant discussion out of our deen? There are one or two who do talk about it, but they don't receive nearly as much attention as the other Islamic leaders.

 

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10 hours ago, Dubilex said:

You're doing a lot of gaslighting. Shows how ignorant you are. Hope inshallah you will wake up from your ignorance and study what communism and marxism is about

@Dubilex

Your response is rather curt and doesn’t exactly address any of the sources that I cited. You are the same person who said the following about Iran:

“The biggest threat to the stability of the Middle East are the Ayatollahs of Iran” and the Supreme Leader of Iran = NATO puppet Erdoğan :hahaha:

And your many posts regurgitating Western propaganda about Uighur camps, sterilisation, and organ harvesting in China, well... :liar:

Trust me, I’ve read sources on all sides and am familiar with the various arguments. I think I may be able to discern yours, which isn’t in the least unfamiliar:

  • Feudalism, capitalism, and communism are sequential stages in a continuum, part of a singular, long-term, conspiratorial project
  • This project has been run by the Illuminati bloodlines since the days of the Roman Empire and is based on solar-cultic Satanism
  • The main feature of all these ideologies is that they are anti-Islamic and Satanic in nature, communism being the ultimate goal

^ Incidentally, I think that the above scheme is far more plausible than the notion that Iran = Turkey and that China is committing Uighur genocide.

Your claim that capitalism is meant to lead to communism does raise a point about the Marxist worldview, though it does also echo the Nazi allegation that a secret group, allegedly Jews and/or Zionists, controls both capitalism and communism. The big difference is that you are pointing out the atheistic and/or Satanic aspect of communism, or at least Marxism, while the Nazis alleged that communism was just a Talmudic (Orthodox-Jewish) project to spread atheism and degeneracy among non-Jews, while allowing Jews to steal the private property and wealth of non-Jews, allowing the Jewish Messiah to return and rule the NWO.

To be fair, I could be totally wrong and you correct about Marxism/communism, but I too, like everyone else, have to “read between the lines“ of available sources on all sides, knowing that the elites have always censored and controlled the flow of information, regardless of subject. I know all about the alleged links among Marx, the Rothschilds, and the Zionists, as well as the notion that the Cold War and all the anticommunist coups etc. were/are staged PSYOPs, while communism is the ultimate goal of the NWO elite. All this could be true, but again, I have to weigh the balance of evidence on all sides.

And for the record, it should be noted that Iran since the Revolution has generally had far closer ties with the “communist/atheist”-leaning Third World, including countries such as China, Venezuela, Cuba, etc., than it has had with the “capitalist/religious” U.S., Britain, apartheid-era South Africa, and so on. Yes, the Soviets were among Saddam’s biggest supporters, besides the U.S., but even then Imam Khomeini called the U.S. the Great Satan and Israel the lesser Satan. (Sometimes I think he referred to the Soviets as a Satan too, but lesser than that of the Americans.) Neither East nor West, but a bit closer to the East.

Of course, none of this means that Iran has seen “eye to eye” with the Third-World socialist/communist/nationalist ideologues—e.g., Hugo Chávez and his successor Nicolás Maduro—on all matters. But I think it is clear that Iran has been generally aligned with the Third World vs. the West on a variety of shared, often tactical, interests. Iran is a big supporter of Venezuela, both diplomatically and economically, and receives benefits such as oil in return. Iran also has favoured Russian and Chinese positions vs. those of NATO on Ukraine, Syria, the Uighur issue, and so on. Anyway, some information about the latest coup:

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The U.S. ambassador in Peru, a veteran CIA agent named Lisa Kenna, met with the country’s defence minister just one day before democratically elected left-wing President Pedro Castillo was overthrown in a coup d’etat and imprisoned without trial. …the Donald Trump administrated nominated Lisa Kenna to be ambassador to Peru in 2020, … When President Joe Biden entered in January 2021, he kept Kenna as ambassador in Peru. … Just one day after the U.S. ambassador met with Peru’s defense minister, on December 7, 2022, the right-wing-dominated congress launched a parliamentary coup against Castillo, using article 113.

the U.S. government promptly attacked Castillo.The United States categorically rejects any extra-constitutional act by President Castillo to prevent the congress from fulfilling its mandate.The United States emphatically urges President Castillo to reverse his attempt to close the congress and allow the democratic institutions of Peru to function according to the constitution. … The day after the coup, on December 8, the State Department gave its rubber stamp to Boluarte’s unelected regime. “The United States welcomes President Boluarte and hopes to work with her administration to achieve a more democratic, prosperous, and secure region,” stated Brian A. Nichols, the U.S. assistant secretary for western hemisphere affairs. …

Just one day before the coup regime made these authoritarian announcements, former CIA agent and current U.S. Ambassador met with Peru’s unelected leader, Dina Boluarte, and reiterated Washington’s wholehearted support. Kenna praised the right-wing “unity government” that Boluarte pledged to form, … Brian Nichols, the top State Department official on Latin America, added with a touch of deep irony, “We support the Peruvian people and their constitutional democracy.” He urged protesters to “reject violence.”State Department spokesman Ned Price—who, like Lisa Kenna, was also a CIA agent—emphasized Washington’s steadfast support for Peru’s coup regime.

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@Dubilex

Ever wondered how from all the majalis, conferences, protests and books about Mahdism and Resistance, no one clearly denounced the Global slave masters aka Rothschilds, Bilderbergers, well known for pulling the strings? 

I think except for brother Rafeipour I never heard a voice raised against them. 

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15 hours ago, EiE said:

By saying this, you stepped into your own trap. Because why are they unware about such an important issue? but they are not unaware of how much % of riba they can take in loans, or how many days to do tawbah if they accidently drank alcohol (you get my points)..... Perhaps it's the fault of such and such islamic leaders?

Because, from what i can see it can mean these things regarding world islamic leaders, ayatullahs included:

1. They are unaware of this problem

2. They don't care in the slightest;

3. It doesn't align with their political or personal objectives.

4. They support the WEF

5. They are not in such position to make these announcement (which is doubtful)

 

 

 

Salam this just shows level of your ignorance which you even can't seperate Islamic leaders from rulers of Islamic  countries  which again you have used your nonsenses about " % of riba they can take in loans, or how many days to do tawbah if they accidently drank alcohol (you get my points)" which has no realtion to this thread also your aaumptions are totally wrong .

Rulers of muslim countries must be seperated from islamic leaders, specially from ayatullahs

1.corrupt leaders of Sunni muslim countries are unaware of this problem or pretending to it but on the other hand real " islamic leaders, ayatullahs included"  are aware of it which it's only a copy cat from procedure of cursed Muawiah & cursed Yazid & rest of cursed Umayyads & Abbasids .

2.corrupt leaders of Sunni muslim countries don't care about it but on the other hand " real " islamic leaders, ayatullahs included"   are fighting with it although you are not aware of it.

3"It doesn't align with  political or personal objectives of so called corrupted  Sunni rulers likewise MBS & rulers of UAE & Bahrain .& rest of sunni leaders

4.It's cristally claear that corrupted  Sunni rulers likewise MBS & rulers of UAE & Bahrain .& rest of sunni leaders have supported it but on the other hand real " islamic leaders, ayatullahs included" have opposed both of these corrupt rulers & WEF & similar groups to  it.

5.I thas been announced by Imam Khamenei & grand Ayatollah Siatani & others as general term because everytime these groups likewise WEF are changing their titles & appearance time to time  so therefore threy have reffere to these compaies & groups in general titles .

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I don't know, but I'm trying to make the point that if the Taghut system is putting these things into place to destroy our deen, how can islamic leaders leave such a significant discussion out of our deen? There are one or two who do talk about it, but they don't receive nearly as much attention as the other Islamic leaders.

This is due to opposing corrupted  Sunni rulers likewise MBS & rulers of UAE & Bahrain .& rest of sunni leaders with eal " islamic leaders, ayatullahs included"  likewise Imam Khamenei & grand Ayatollah Siatani & others likewise Sayed Hasan Nasrullah which  corrupted  Sunni rulers don't let their people become aware of their statements  by using any means.

 

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10 hours ago, Northwest said:

And for the record, it should be noted that Iran since the Revolution has generally had far closer ties with the “communist/atheist”-leaning Third World, including countries such as China, Venezuela, Cuba, etc., than it has had with the “capitalist/religious” U.S., Britain, apartheid-era South Africa, and so on. Yes, the Soviets were among Saddam’s biggest supporters, besides the U.S., but even then Imam Khomeini called the U.S. the Great Satan and Israel the lesser Satan. (Sometimes I think he referred to the Soviets as a Satan too, but lesser than that of the Americans.) Neither East nor West, but a bit closer to the East.

Hi Iran doesn't support both of “communism/atheism" by these countries which China doesn't categorize in any of “communism/atheism" because ithas blended communism & capitalisM & anything else which it's now has it's unique procedure which China not support Atheism but on the other hand it just sees religion as personal matter which must be only for self building without havin realtion to other aspects of life likewise  community or applying it in public which objection of China with radicals between Uighurs is due support of America from them for causing problem for china to have access to essntial resources for it's industries in Uighur region which in similar fashion America has supported rebels in Hong Kong under guise of supporting democracy for limiting acces of China to Hong Kong as best portal for lobal trade which support of iran from countries likewise Venezuela & Cuba is due to it's policy about supporting oppressed against oppressing of America which in opposition to your claim you can't finf Atheism in  Venezuela & Cuba & smilar countries which many of it's people are devoted Christians which their Christanity has been affected by naturalism of native tribes which even Hugo chavez has been a devoted Chritians of latino version of Christianity which they have leaned toward communism as only alternate against capitalism of America before Islamic revolution of Iran which in similar fashion of their blended naturalist latino Christanity so then they have blended calssic communism with their own version of blended Christanity which Iran has started communicating with these countries after fall of Soviet Russia & turning into a new country of current Russia which only has fewvanishing traces of communism also it has a bit turned into orthodox Christanity .

 

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16 hours ago, Northwest said:

@Dubilex

Your response is rather curt and doesn’t exactly address any of the sources that I cited. You are the same person who said the following about Iran:

“The biggest threat to the stability of the Middle East are the Ayatollahs of Iran” and the Supreme Leader of Iran = NATO puppet Erdoğan :hahaha:

And your many posts regurgitating Western propaganda about Uighur camps, sterilisation, and organ harvesting in China, well... :liar:

Trust me, I’ve read sources on all sides and am familiar with the various arguments. I think I may be able to discern yours, which isn’t in the least unfamiliar:

  • Feudalism, capitalism, and communism are sequential stages in a continuum, part of a singular, long-term, conspiratorial project
  • This project has been run by the Illuminati bloodlines since the days of the Roman Empire and is based on solar-cultic Satanism
  • The main feature of all these ideologies is that they are anti-Islamic and Satanic in nature, communism being the ultimate goal

^ Incidentally, I think that the above scheme is far more plausible than the notion that Iran = Turkey and that China is committing Uighur genocide.

Your claim that capitalism is meant to lead to communism does raise a point about the Marxist worldview, though it does also echo the Nazi allegation that a secret group, allegedly Jews and/or Zionists, controls both capitalism and communism. The big difference is that you are pointing out the atheistic and/or Satanic aspect of communism, or at least Marxism, while the Nazis alleged that communism was just a Talmudic (Orthodox-Jewish) project to spread atheism and degeneracy among non-Jews, while allowing Jews to steal the private property and wealth of non-Jews, allowing the Jewish Messiah to return and rule the NWO.

To be fair, I could be totally wrong and you correct about Marxism/communism, but I too, like everyone else, have to “read between the lines“ of available sources on all sides, knowing that the elites have always censored and controlled the flow of information, regardless of subject. I know all about the alleged links among Marx, the Rothschilds, and the Zionists, as well as the notion that the Cold War and all the anticommunist coups etc. were/are staged PSYOPs, while communism is the ultimate goal of the NWO elite. All this could be true, but again, I have to weigh the balance of evidence on all sides.

And for the record, it should be noted that Iran since the Revolution has generally had far closer ties with the “communist/atheist”-leaning Third World, including countries such as China, Venezuela, Cuba, etc., than it has had with the “capitalist/religious” U.S., Britain, apartheid-era South Africa, and so on. Yes, the Soviets were among Saddam’s biggest supporters, besides the U.S., but even then Imam Khomeini called the U.S. the Great Satan and Israel the lesser Satan. (Sometimes I think he referred to the Soviets as a Satan too, but lesser than that of the Americans.) Neither East nor West, but a bit closer to the East.

Of course, none of this means that Iran has seen “eye to eye” with the Third-World socialist/communist/nationalist ideologues—e.g., Hugo Chávez and his successor Nicolás Maduro—on all matters. But I think it is clear that Iran has been generally aligned with the Third World vs. the West on a variety of shared, often tactical, interests. Iran is a big supporter of Venezuela, both diplomatically and economically, and receives benefits such as oil in return. Iran also has favoured Russian and Chinese positions vs. those of NATO on Ukraine, Syria, the Uighur issue, and so on. Anyway, some information about the latest coup:

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You know, when you go around and gaslight, and then resort to personal attacks, it's impossible to take you seriously. Again, I hope you wake up from your ignorance and study communism. You should also read Marx's book Das Kapital. I wonder if you've even read anything about the tenets of communism and marxism, or if you just attack capitalism because it's the trendy thing to do these days. In any case, I hope you learn more about communism, you can also try to speak to some of the victims of socialism and hear what they have to say.

 

@realizm Yeah I noticed it a long time ago. There are even muslim leaders both sunni and shia, who actively supports globalism. A lot of these muslim leaders and scholars are either ignorant of what the globalist bankers are doing, or they are in fact beneficiaries of these bankers. 

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Hope you don't mind me tagging you all on this post? 

And other brothers/sisters want to out their ideas forward, very welcome. 

What is the best way forward then to work towards preparing for our Imam (I am still learning and new to a quiet a few ideas) 

 

From what everyone has put forward you all seem to be well read.

 

Can we come together and create something locally depending on which countries and countries we live in.

 

 If Imam Mahdi aj will be needing his helpers to build a divine world of justice and a visionary world, we could share our projects and ideas here and start from there.

 

I am not sure perhaps you may all be doing this already , but would still appreciate your thoughts on this. 

 

We know the wef is the organisation of Dajaal and most other countries governments have gone that way too, some might be doing it for their own interests too.  (survival, business and finance interests)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sorry about the typos, how do I edit the comments? 

which countries and cities  (correction) 

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20 hours ago, Activate your inner truth said:

Can we come together and create something locally depending on which countries and countries we live in.

Salam , yeah we can

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Napoleon Bonaparte - Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools

https://www.amazon.com/Napoleon-Bonaparte-Impossible-dictionary-Motivational/dp/B06XPCD6Z5

 

20 hours ago, Activate your inner truth said:

If Imam Mahdi aj will be needing his helpers to build a divine world of justice and a visionary world, we could share our projects and ideas here and start from there.

 

I am not sure perhaps you may all be doing this already , but would still appreciate your thoughts on this.

Islamic Revolution of Iran (IRI) has done based on idea of Imam Khomeini(رضي الله عنه) building a society & country for helping Imam Mahdi (aj) which after his reappearance his helpers will be ready in any field & aspects of society & countries & cities for building "a divine world of justice and a visionary world"  which it's not necessary that anyone or community copy cat anything from Iran although they can inspire from idea of Imam Khomeini(رضي الله عنه)  about IRI which you can learn from pros & cons   of it so then take lessons for doing right work & avoiding mistakes of IRI which it as any idea & action has supporters & opponents even between Shia muslims anyway existance of IRI can motivate anyone even it's opponets to make  a better country & city than Iran.

 

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20 hours ago, Dubilex said:

There are even muslim leaders both sunni and shia, who actively supports globalism.

Salam globalism itself is not a bad anything but on the other hand controlling it by supporters of Shaitan is bad because Imam mahdi (aj) after reappearnce will start divine globalism aginst current satanic globalism which idea of divne globalism has been corrupted by followers of Shaitan which anything form previous divine based communities have been corrupted by Shiatan & his followers for preventing from reappearance of Imam Mahdi (aj) because after reappearance of him Shaitan & his followers will be perished so therefore they can't corrupt divne globalism which will be came by Imam Mahdi (aj) so therefore Shaitan & his followers do everything that they can in order to stop or at least postpone their perishing & totall destroying .

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On 1/29/2023 at 4:19 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam , yeah we can

 

Islamic Revolution of Iran (IRI) has done based on idea of Imam Khomeini(رضي الله عنه) building a society & country for helping Imam Mahdi (aj) which after his reappearance his helpers will be ready in any field & aspects of society & countries & cities for building "a divine world of justice and a visionary world"  which it's not necessary that anyone or community copy cat anything from Iran although they can inspire from idea of Imam Khomeini(رضي الله عنه)  about IRI which you can learn from pros & cons   of it so then take lessons for doing right work & avoiding mistakes of IRI which it as any idea & action has supporters & opponents even between Shia muslims anyway existance of IRI can motivate anyone even it's opponets to make  a better country & city than Iran.

 

Ok this is a great foundation to start from and work with ideas.

I’ll take on board what you said about pros and cons and Insha Allah go from there. Its always good to learn from ones mistakes and others and then improve. 

Thank you.

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On 1/29/2023 at 11:19 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Islamic Revolution of Iran (IRI) has done based on idea of Imam Khomeini(رضي الله عنه) building a society & country for helping Imam Mahdi (aj) which after his reappearance his helpers will be ready in any field & aspects of society & countries & cities for building "a divine world of justice and a visionary world"  which it's not necessary that anyone or community copy cat anything from Iran although they can inspire from idea of Imam Khomeini(رضي الله عنه)  about IRI which you can learn from pros & cons   of it so then take lessons for doing right work & avoiding mistakes of IRI which it as any idea & action has supporters & opponents even between Shia muslims anyway existance of IRI can motivate anyone even it's opponets to make  a better country & city than Iran.

 

totally, just take the vaccine like khomeinei did live on television towards his entire nation (which has never happened before)........exactly as the WEF elites want them too....

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7 hours ago, EiE said:

 

totally, just take the vaccine like khomeinei did live on television towards his entire nation (which has never happened before)........exactly as the WEF elites want them too....

Salam I can't do anything about your biased mindset against him because you always trust in any anti Iran rhetoric which you have just repeated weired accusation without having any evidnce or reliable document for it just due to your grudge against Iran & it's leaders .

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15 hours ago, علوي said:

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Hmm. Seems too good to be true. But I don't think anything planned by Jordan Peterson would be that much better than the WEF. He's a Zionist as well.

Ok I was not aware he was a zionist. I thought he was speaks out allot about issues and was a voice for the people. I think I will need to read up on him more.  We could do the same idea with our own and bring the business men/women teachers, industry experts ect and start our thing.  

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