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Salam it's just a propaganda to show that Shias in Azerbaijan support normalization with Isreal which in opposition to it just governmet of Azerbaijan is helping Israel as "Republic of Azerbaijan " not a Shia country because Azerbaijan's government always has ignored & oppressed Shia majority of Azerbaijan which until it's only Shia politic party has been announced as illegal party which it's members ha been jailed which some of leaders of Shia political party has been killed in jails under guise of struggles in prisons   which aim of Azerbaijan  is increasing Sunni percentage by allowing entering of radical Wahabi groups into Azerbaijan under guise of Sunni migrants in similar fashion of migrating radical wahabists to Syriaby support of  Turkey .

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2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam it's just a propaganda to show that Shias in Azerbaijan support normalization with Isreal which in opposition to it just governmet of Azerbaijan is helping Israel as "Republic of Azerbaijan " not a Shia country because Azerbaijan's government always has ignored & oppressed Shia majority of Azerbaijan which until it's only Shia politic party has been announced as illegal party which it's members ha been jailed which some of leaders of Shia political party has been killed in jails under guise of struggles in prisons   which aim of Azerbaijan  is increasing Sunni percentage by allowing entering of radical Wahabi groups into Azerbaijan under guise of Sunni migrants in similar fashion of migrating radical wahabists to Syriaby support of  Turkey .

Salam the video is saying it’s not saying the people are supporting it but the corrupt governments of so called “Shi’a” and “Sunni” countries are supporting it.

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30 minutes ago, 313_Waiter said:

Salam the video is saying it’s not saying the people are supporting it but the corrupt governments of so called “Shi’a” and “Sunni” countries are supporting it.

Although Azerbaijan is a majority shia country it doesn't mean that a shia country is helping Israel which it's a misleading title for showing that Shia countries may help Israel too which it's absolutely is a wrong allegation which about Azerbaijan it's government has totally anti Shia policy.

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7 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Although Azerbaijan is a majority shia country it doesn't mean that a shia country is helping Israel which it's a misleading title for showing that Shia countries may help Israel too which it's absolutely is a wrong allegation which about Azerbaijan it's government has totally anti Shia policy.

I see ur point bro it’s a bit of a dodgy title but if they are putting quotation marks (“”) it means the country is not real Shi’a.

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Ironically, Azerbaijan, like the State of Israel, officially masquerades as a “secular” polity, yet bases its policies on religious sectarianism—in its case, pan-Sunni, increasingly Wahhabi–Salafi, chauvinism. Ever since the dissolution of the USSR Azerbaijan, especially under the Aliyev dynasty, has consistently sought total integration with the GCC and the latter’s Western, including Israeli, controllers. Like its NATO patron Turkey, it has promoted a synthesis of pan-Turkic nationalism and Wahhabi–Salafi extremism. (Pan-Turkic ideology, ironically, originated in a secular milieu, as an expansionist offshoot of Atatürk’s fascism. Prior to and during World War II the pan-Turkic faction sided with the nascent Axis powers vs. the USSR. Afterward this same faction promoted Turkey’s entry into NATO and close ties with Zionist Israel.)

Contrast “secular” Azerbaijan’s domestic and foreign policy with that of another, avowedly secular state, India. Whereas India is decidedly peaceful and pluralistic at home and abroad, Azerbaijan has consistently discriminated against ethnic and religious minorities, including not just Shia Azeris, but also Armenian Christians, as has been seen in and around Nagorno-Karabakh. Furthermore, just as Turkey has offered citizenship to Wahhabi–Salafi mercenaries who colonise northern Syria on its behalf, so Azerbaijan has also been granting citizenship to the very same mercenaries, encouraging them to settle on the Azerbaijani–Iranian border and next to Nagorno-Karabakh. Working as Turkey’s proxy, Azerbaijan thus alters regional demographics to the detriment of Iran and Armenia, aiding Western/Zionist goals.

As Wahhabi–Salafi mercenaries tend to feature higher fertility rates than other demographics, while making up an ever-increasing proportion of Turkey’s and Azerbaijan’s newest citizens (many of them likely receiving dual Turkish-Azerbaijani passports and citizenships as well), they are likely to exert more domestic political influence, thereby eroding the last remnants of genuine secularism and/or pluralism in both Turkey and Azerbaijan. In particular, one should expect these countries’ domestic policies to increasingly mirror those of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, with local Wahhabi–Salafi communities, as in the Balkans, enforcing their own, sectarian conceptions of “sharia” upon society at large. Aliyev will soon need Wahhabi–Salafi fervour to support the Western/Zionist agenda in northwestern Iran.

All in all, Azerbaijan is about to become another “Pakistan” in terms of its hostility to anyone who opposes Wahhabi–Salafi ideology (and by implication Western imperialism and Zionism). Entire regions of the country will become Wahhabi–Salafi enclaves, and Wahhabi–Salafi political parties will certainly emerge, encouraging pogroms vs. not just Shias, but also all religious minorities, as well as the stray orthodox Sunni or two. The Wahhabi–Salafi militants and their political organs will provide the demographic impetus for the eventual Azerbaijani invasion of Iranian Azerbaijan, which Azerbaijani authorities are now openly promoting in their various organs. The Azerbaijani government also intends to annex Nagorno-Karabakh and perhaps even incorporate parts of Armenia proper, while exterminating Armenians.

So in my eyes it is absurd for anyone to claim that the Azerbaijani government is even remotely secular in orientation. It is not.

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22 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

it's just a propaganda to show that Shias in Azerbaijan support normalization with Isreal

Foreign Policy Hawk (i.e. PRAECURSATOR) is a Hindu who converted to Sunni Islam 6 or 7 years ago and he's pro-Muslim unity, pro-Tehran, pro-Hezbollah, pro-Hamas, pro-Houthi, pro-Axis of Resistance etc...I'm very familiar with his work and I've been following him online since 2016...Salafis refer to him a "Crypto-Rafidi."

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On 12/5/2022 at 4:46 PM, Eddie Mecca said:

Foreign Policy Hawk (i.e. PRAECURSATOR) is a Hindu who converted to Sunni Islam 6 or 7 years ago and he's pro-Muslim unity, pro-Tehran, pro-Hezbollah, pro-Hamas, pro-Houthi, pro-Axis of Resistance etc...I'm very familiar with his work and I've been following him online since 2016...Salafis refer to him a "Crypto-Rafidi."

Was familiar with the latter but didn’t know he converted from Hinduism.

I guess that’s why he can see commonalities between religions and the notion of a saviour, and mentions the Kali Yuga as well - which is comparable to the Akhiruz Zaman

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On 12/5/2022 at 9:16 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

Foreign Policy Hawk (i.e. PRAECURSATOR) is a Hindu who converted to Sunni Islam 6 or 7 years ago and he's pro-Muslim unity, pro-Tehran, pro-Hezbollah, pro-Hamas, pro-Houthi, pro-Axis of Resistance etc...I'm very familiar with his work and I've been following him online since 2016...Salafis refer to him a "Crypto-Rafidi."

Salam I know him also I'm following him  although all of all these good points about him anyway sometimes he has expresed weired things & insisted on these weired things because he is too focused on sunni narrations & prophecies about endtimes & Imam Mahdi (aj) which he ignores shia viewpoint in similar fashion of Sehikh Imran hussain  which theye see Shias as enemey of his enemy which they can decide about Shias after defeating Wahabists as greater enemy.

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17 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

sometimes he has expresed weired things

We all believe in "weird" things...I'm sure to many people Rajʿa seems like an extremely weird concept...when a subject is breached it may initially seem strange and foreign to the listener...but when one delves deeper and explains it in-depth it becomes less strange. 

17 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

too focused on sunni narrations

Because he's Sunni

17 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

he ignores shia viewpoint

Um, it might have something to do with the fact that he's Sunni  :rolleyes:

17 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

similar fashion of Sehikh Imran hussain  which theye see Shias as enemey of his enemy which they can decide about Shias after defeating Wahabists as greater enemy.

When someone offers you an olive branch you should reciprocate and not criticize...do you realize the scrutiny and ostracization Sheikh Imran, PRAECURSATOR and others are facing from the larger, Salafi-influenced, Sunni community for siding with IRI, Hezbollah etc.? The pressure is enormous...we should allows assume the best and not the worst and give the benefit of the doubt in such situations...we don't know al-ghayb...these scholars and activists are sacrificing a lot for standing up for what they believe to be the truth. 

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On 12/4/2022 at 5:17 PM, Northwest said:

Ironically, Azerbaijan, like the State of Israel, officially masquerades as a “secular” polity, yet bases its policies on religious sectarianism—in its case, pan-Sunni, increasingly Wahhabi–Salafi, chauvinism. Ever since the dissolution of the USSR Azerbaijan, especially under the Aliyev dynasty, has consistently sought total integration with the GCC and the latter’s Western, including Israeli, controllers. Like its NATO patron Turkey, it has promoted a synthesis of pan-Turkic nationalism and Wahhabi–Salafi extremism. (Pan-Turkic ideology, ironically, originated in a secular milieu, as an expansionist offshoot of Atatürk’s fascism. Prior to and during World War II the pan-Turkic faction sided with the nascent Axis powers vs. the USSR. Afterward this same faction promoted Turkey’s entry into NATO and close ties with Zionist Israel.)

Contrast “secular” Azerbaijan’s domestic and foreign policy with that of another, avowedly secular state, India. Whereas India is decidedly peaceful and pluralistic at home and abroad, Azerbaijan has consistently discriminated against ethnic and religious minorities, including not just Shia Azeris, but also Armenian Christians, as has been seen in and around Nagorno-Karabakh. Furthermore, just as Turkey has offered citizenship to Wahhabi–Salafi mercenaries who colonise northern Syria on its behalf, so Azerbaijan has also been granting citizenship to the very same mercenaries, encouraging them to settle on the Azerbaijani–Iranian border and next to Nagorno-Karabakh. Working as Turkey’s proxy, Azerbaijan thus alters regional demographics to the detriment of Iran and Armenia, aiding Western/Zionist goals.

As Wahhabi–Salafi mercenaries tend to feature higher fertility rates than other demographics, while making up an ever-increasing proportion of Turkey’s and Azerbaijan’s newest citizens (many of them likely receiving dual Turkish-Azerbaijani passports and citizenships as well), they are likely to exert more domestic political influence, thereby eroding the last remnants of genuine secularism and/or pluralism in both Turkey and Azerbaijan. In particular, one should expect these countries’ domestic policies to increasingly mirror those of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, with local Wahhabi–Salafi communities, as in the Balkans, enforcing their own, sectarian conceptions of “sharia” upon society at large. Aliyev will soon need Wahhabi–Salafi fervour to support the Western/Zionist agenda in northwestern Iran.

All in all, Azerbaijan is about to become another “Pakistan” in terms of its hostility to anyone who opposes Wahhabi–Salafi ideology (and by implication Western imperialism and Zionism). Entire regions of the country will become Wahhabi–Salafi enclaves, and Wahhabi–Salafi political parties will certainly emerge, encouraging pogroms vs. not just Shias, but also all religious minorities, as well as the stray orthodox Sunni or two. The Wahhabi–Salafi militants and their political organs will provide the demographic impetus for the eventual Azerbaijani invasion of Iranian Azerbaijan, which Azerbaijani authorities are now openly promoting in their various organs. The Azerbaijani government also intends to annex Nagorno-Karabakh and perhaps even incorporate parts of Armenia proper, while exterminating Armenians.

So in my eyes it is absurd for anyone to claim that the Azerbaijani government is even remotely secular in orientation. It is not.

Religious state and Secular State using Religion are two different things.

Azarbaijan and Turkey are secular-godless states that change and use religion and religious people. Much like what Amr bin As and Muawiyah did. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab_protests_in_Azerbaijan

When the so-called Syrian Revolution began, in Turkey hijab was banned and in Azarbaijan it still is. But in Syria it has never been banned. But somehow, with all the organizations all around the world, Turkey could get all the jihadists to send them to Syria to fight. How could they do it? It is easy. Misinformation. It is easier than how they managed to bring the Syrians to fight against Imam Ali. When they hear that Imam Ali was attacked in a mosque, they asked if he ever prayed. Same way, when you mention the Syrian Govt is not Alewite. It is secular. But it still has more islamic rules than the so-called muslim Azarbaijan and sunni Turkey. Shiites, Sunnis and all can live and abide by Islamic teachings easily in Syria whereas in Azarbaijan and Turkey, they can't. I mean current AKP Turkish leaders are boasting how many new alcohol factories they started, how they abolished the law that adultery was illegal, how they encourage state run gambling (milli piyango, bahis, iddia), etc. But they can fool people again once they open Hagia Sophia Mosque to praying. Same goes for Azarbaijan. I mean they ban hijab and all other requirements of Islam, but when they ignite old enmities with Armenia and "conquer" a place and let the adhan be recited in a mosque, it is like they are muslim heroes now.

So, sadly neither Turkish not Azeri regimes care for Islam. They don't care for sunnism either. They just fool their nations and use their gullibility. They cover up their treason to Islam and Muslims. At the same time, they create false enemies and send the religious youth to go there and fight the "enemy" and that way they secure their thrones from possible future muslim oppositions. 

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13 hours ago, islamicmusic said:

When the so-called Syrian Revolution began, in Turkey hijab was banned and in Azerbaijan it still is.

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The underlined, italicised statement is untrue. The ban applied merely to public settings, not all contexts. Furthermore, under the AKP universities began admitting veiled students in 2007, four years prior to the war in Syria. While the general public ban was rescinded in 2013, in practice the law was already being voided before 2011. Of course, Azerbaijan under Aliyev is much more “secularist” than Turkey under Erdoğan and Co., but with the growth of Shia and (especially) Wahhabi–Salafi opposition this is certainly going to change. Furthermore, the European Union (EU) has been pressuring Azerbaijan’s government to follow the AKP’s more tolerant approach on hijab.

13 hours ago, islamicmusic said:

But in Syria it has never been banned. But somehow, with all the organizations all around the world, Turkey could get all the jihadists to send them to Syria to fight. How could they do it? It is easy. Misinformation. It is easier than how they managed to bring the Syrians to fight against Imam Ali. When they hear that Imam Ali was attacked in a mosque, they asked if he ever prayed.

I am sorry, but I find this explanation unconvincing. If these militants, these pseudo-“jihadists” and mercenaries, were so concerned about religiosity, why have they never protested the “secular/godless” authorities in Turkey and/or Azerbaijan? Given that they rigidly adhere to Saudi-style sharia, I find it hard to believe that they would even tolerate Erdoğan or Aliyev for a moment, were the latter perceived to be in conflict with Wahhabi–Salafi stricture(s). To me this proves that the Turkish and Azerbaijani governments are not truly secular at heart.

13 hours ago, islamicmusic said:

I mean current AKP Turkish leaders are boasting how many new alcohol factories they started, how they abolished the law that adultery was illegal, how they encourage state run gambling (milli piyango, bahis, iddia), etc.

Actually, the AKP has greatly increased “sin-taxes” on intoxicants such as alcohol, at least in Muslim communities. Turkey even has lower rates of alcoholism than Qatar! Obviously, non-Muslim venues that cater to tourists would not be subject to sharia. Even so, fewer hotels and concessions are marketing alcoholic beverages under the AKP than in the recent past. As far as adultery is concerned: the law against adultery was actually repealed in 1996, under a staunchly secularist regime. (This was well before the AKP came to power, in 2001.) The government also began closing casinos in the same year and even imposed a ban. Under the AKP Turkey has effectively constrained the expansion of online gambling, so only a limited number of state-connected entities allow it. In effect the AKP has banned private gambling.

13 hours ago, islamicmusic said:

But they can fool people again once they open Hagia Sophia Mosque. They just fool their nations and use their gullibility.

The Wahhabi–Salafi and their sympathisers always use this excuse to justify their actions. In reality they are never fooled. They believe that Turkey and Azerbaijan, like the GCC, support their goals at home and abroad. Actions, unlike words, count. The fact that the Wahhabi–Salafi militants never criticise Erdoğan or Aliyev confirms to me the latter’s support for Wahhabi–Salafi goals. A truly secular state, i.e., Syria or India, would never support Wahhabi–Salafi aims for a moment, whether at home or overseas. So neither Turkey nor Azerbaijani seems secular to me.

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