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Appropriate Response to the Matter of an Entristed Dua??

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Recently Person A offered to take the dua of Person B on their Umrah. Person B hesitated due to some differing views.

For example:

Person A:

-Emphasis on mercy, forgiveness and charity.

-Questionable actions/lack of actions in job role.

-Questionable integrity regarding empathy in major life changes; using sensitive information to make "joking" remarks that are hurtful.

Person B:

-Stubborn, good natured struggling to maintain work/life balance.

-Emphasis on work ethic, sacrificing personal desires to secure a better future.

-Expectations and standards for self projected onto others (too high).

Of note that this takes place in the Way West.

Person B makes prayers and believes that this dua is a bit more sacred due to its being recited at the sacred site, as they believe the intentions of Person B to be pure, despite all else.

The dua is informally written in a poetic verse with the penultimate and final words altering in placement and order for the emphasis of meaning.

The dua was enclosed in a blank sealed envelope. When Person B hands the envelope over to Person A, they state "Please do not open it or read it until you arrive at your destination."

Person A laughed and began to tear the corner of the envelope and opened it. Person A read it silently right in front of Person B.

Person A said nothing more to Person B nor asked questions.

It is my suspicion that Person A:

-did not understand dua of Person B

-will show the dua of Person B to others.

What can be understood by the interaction of these two individuals, when something that is universally understood to be sacred is responded to in this manner?

Do you think there is a chance that Person A does not comprehend the dua?

Feel free to ask any supporting questions regarding the observation of the two subjects in this scenario.

Many Thanks In Adv.

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I would start by evaluating whether this practice of 'handing over' a dua to someone to go and recite somewhere is even established in the religion to begin with.

By all means to go to the sacred mosque and supplicate to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is a great act, but this doesn't stop us from supplicating to Him from wherever we are and it doesn't mean we start handing over written notes to people to go and read out in the haram.

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I feel that person B is being a little condescending to person A. Person A is doing a HUGE favor by offering to take person B's Dua to Umrah. Praying for someone is a big favor because whenever I pray for someone, it feels like their problems are solved but all bad things attacking them turn their attention towards me. Secondly, going to Umrah requires a lot of money and travelling with a ziarat group is so hard, so person B's Dua has much higher chance of getting accepted on Umrah. Person A is doing a very big favor by offering to take Dua, yes they are being a little immature but person B can ignore it. If they share something personal with others, then that's bad, but just reading Dua before going to Umrah is not so bad. 

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1 hour ago, Mahdavist said:

I would start by evaluating whether this practice of 'handing over' a dua to someone to go and recite somewhere is even established in the religion to begin with.

By all means to go to the sacred mosque and supplicate to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is a great act, but this doesn't stop us from supplicating to Him from wherever we are and it doesn't mean we start handing over written notes to people to go and read out in the haram.

Interesting view. I always hear of people asking one another to make dua for one another. "Please, make dua for X situation," etc. Is this not common practice?

Sermons are broadcast online and on television, does this take away their value?

One person can travel and the other cannot, it seems to be a kind act...there is no deviation from the principle of what a dua stands for. Simply another method of transmission that contributes to unity in faith building.

But only the Most Magnificent would know, I suppose.

Thank you for insight.

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1 hour ago, rkazmi33 said:

I feel that person B is being a little condescending to person A. Person A is doing a HUGE favor by offering to take person B's Dua to Umrah. Praying for someone is a big favor because whenever I pray for someone, it feels like their problems are solved but all bad things attacking them turn their attention towards me. Secondly, going to Umrah requires a lot of money and travelling with a ziarat group is so hard, so person B's Dua has much higher chance of getting accepted on Umrah. Person A is doing a very big favor by offering to take Dua, yes they are being a little immature but person B can ignore it. If they share something personal with others, then that's bad, but just reading Dua before going to Umrah is not so bad. 

Fair position. Perhaps Person B should exercise more restraint and gratitude, in this event. Perhaps Person A's curiosity will lead to their own growth as well. The connecting purpose in this event could be more important than the principle.

Thank you for insight

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2 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

I would start by evaluating whether this practice of 'handing over' a dua to someone to go and recite somewhere is even established in the religion to begin with.

By all means to go to the sacred mosque and supplicate to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is a great act, but this doesn't stop us from supplicating to Him from wherever we are and it doesn't mean we start handing over written notes to people to go and read out in the haram.

Salam it's a highly recommended  practice which you can ask someone to go & recite instead of you in a sacred place in the Haram likewise praying for others in Hajj in Masjid Al Haram or besides Kaaba or in shrines of infallible Imams  which your prayer will be added to prayer of other person without decreasing in your reward even if you do it on behalf of other members of you Family reward of Silah rahm will be added to these rewards.

Is it possible to perform recommended actions with the intention of the living? What actions cannot be performed in place of others who are alive?
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1- Is it possible to perform recommended actions (such as recommended prayers, recommended fasting, pilgrimage, recitation of prayers, etc.) with the intention of others who are alive? 2- Which of the recommended actions cannot be performed in place of others who are alive?
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Regarding the performance of mustahabat in intention of another person , if it is in the form of giving a reward, it is permissible in all mustahab and there is no problem[1], but if it is in the form of proxies, in some mustahab such as visiting the graves of the Prophet ((صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)) and Imams (a), There is nothing wrong with Hajj or Umrah [2].

In Kafi, in his chain of transmission, Is'haq bin Ammar narrated from Imam Musa bin Jafar ((عليه السلام).) that he said: I asked from  his majesty about a person who performs Hajj and Umrah or some of his circumambulation with the intention of some members of his family. While that person is absent from him and is in another city, he says: I also asked: In this supposition, does anything decrease from the reward of his actions or not? He said: This deed is recorded both on his own account and on that person's account, in addition to this, they also give him a reward as Silah Rahm [3].

But in the case of some others, such as prayer and fasting, according to some jurists, it is not permissible.[4]

https://www.islamquest.net/fa/archive/fa4326

 

It is in the hadith that Dawood Sarmi said to Imam Hasan Askari (AS): I visited your father and intended his reward for you. The Imam said: «لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ أَجْرٌ وَ ثَوَابٌ عَظِيمٌ وَ مِنَّا الْمَحْمَدَةُ». (2)

There is a great reward and blessing from Allah for you, and praise and thanks from us.

تهذيب الأحكام (تحقيق خرسان)، ج‏6، ص: 111

Tahzib al Ahkam (research kharsan) v 6 p:111

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In another narration, we read that they asked some of the imams ((عليه السلام).): Is the person who prays two rakats or fasts for one day, or performs Hajj or Umrah, or visits  the beloved Messenger or one of the imams  and presents its reward to his parents or religious brother, is there a reward for him?

In response to this question, the Hazrat said: The reward of that action also goes to "Manubū Anhu"«منوبٌ عنه»  without reducing anything from his own reward. (3)

Sheikh Tusi says in Tahzib: Naib should also say this greeting during his visit:  «السَّلَامُ عَلَيْكَ يَا مَوْلَايَ مِنْ فُلَانِ بْنِ فُلَانٍ أَتَيْتُكَ زَائِراً عَنْهُ فَاشْفَعْ لَهُ عِنْدَ رَبِّكَ» (4)

and instead of so-and-so son, he should bring the name of the sightly person and his father in question .

A person who wants to perform a pilgrimage on behalf of all his brothers in faith or a specific group, then he intends them with his tongue or in his heart and recites the pilgrimage on their behalf; Then he performs two rak'ats of Ziyarat prayer and says:

«اللَّهُمَّ إِنِّي زُرْتُ هَذِهِ الزِّيَارَةَ وَ صَلَّيْتُ هَذِهِ الصَّلَاةَ وَ هَاتَيْنِ الرَّكْعَتَيْنِ‏ وَ جَعَلْتُ ثَوَابَهُمَا هَدِيَّةً مِنِّي إِلَى مَوْلَايَ فُلَانِ بْنِ فُلَانٍ (نام امامی را که زیارت می کند بگوید) عَنْ جَمِيعِ إِخْوَانِيَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَ الْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَ عَنْ جَمِيعِ مَنْ أَوْصَانِي بِالزِّيَارَةِ وَ الدُّعَاءِ لَهُ- اللَّهُمَّ تَقَبَّلْ ذَلِكَ مِنِّي وَ مِنْهُمْ بِرَحْمَتِكَ يَا أَرْحَمَ الرَّاحِمِين»‏ (5)

«فَإِنَّكَ إِذَا قُلْتَ لِأَحَدِهِمْ إِنِّي قَدْ صَلَّيْتُ وَ زُرْتُ وَ سَلَّمْتُ عَلَى الْإِمَامِ عَنْكَ كُنْتَ صَادِقاً فِي قَوْلِك‏» (6)

Indeed, if you say to each of your faith brothers after returning; I prayed on your behalf and visited and greeted the Imam; You are true to your words

 

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(1)- «منوبٌ عنه» It means the person on whose behalf the pilgrim visits: father, mother, religious brother or anyone else.

https://www.hawzahnews.com/news/399568/چگونه-برای-دیگران-زیارت-نیابتی-انجام-دهیم

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The Etiquettes of Dua (Supplication)

The Etiquettes of Dua (Supplication)

a- Purification
b- Application of perfume
c- Being in the direction of Qiblah
d- Giving alms

God Almighty says:

* * *

-”…Offer something in charity before your consultation.” (Verse 12 of the Quranic Chapter, the Pleading One)
e- Belief in God’s power to fulfill his desire as verse 186 of the Quranic Chapter, the Cow, says:

* * *

“and believe in Me.”
It has been reported on the authority of the Holy Prophet (SAW):

* * *

366. “Whoever asks something from Me and is sure that gain and loss are in My hand, I will fulfill his desire.”
f- Having good opinion of God that He will answer his call.
Hope in God’s Mercy
God says:

* * *

“….call on Him fearing and hoping….” (Verse 56 of the Quranic Chapter, The Elevated Places)

https://shiastudies.com/en/6484/the-etiquettes-of-dua-supplication/

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4 hours ago, Raina said:

Interesting view. I always hear of people asking one another to make dua for one another. "Please, make dua for X situation," etc. Is this not common practice?

To pray for one another is definitely recommended.  Specifically writing down a poem and asking someone to go and read it out seems to be a bit of a stretch.  This is why I think the situation could have been avoided altogether.

 

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