Hadith forbidding Sayyid from marrying non Sayyids

[Guest guest]

Assalamalaikum,

I am a South Asian "Syed" male(I put Syed in quotes because I am not sure of whether or not I am truly a Syed, many say real Syeds will have family trees or shajrah but they can also be easily faked). Is it actually forbidden for Sayyids to marry non Sayyids? Is there any hadith? My parents say that apparently on the day of judgement Bibi Fatima(sa) will questions Sayyids who marry non Sayyids and get some form of adhab. I will respect my parents wishes and marry a fellow Syed; however, I strongly disagree with them on this reasoning and I want to correct them on this matter. Are there any actual hadith that actually explicitly prohibit Sayyids from marrying non Sayyids? I imagine this hadith would refer more to Shias marrying Muslims of other sects and non Muslims. Also anything scholars have to say about Sayyid-non Sayyid marriage(forbidding or allowing)?

I do not think there is anything wrong with Sayyids marrying Sayyids or non Sayyids, however, I disagree with the reasoning that Bibi Fatima(sa) will be disappointed with Sayyids who do marry non Sayyids.

Also this hadith,

Sort of off topic but is there an actual way to determine whether or not you are a Sayyid? I remember seeing a Hashemite gene testing thing where it checks if you have the Hashemite gene, you are really a Sayyid. I also imagine that a real Sayyid South Asian should have some Arabian if they did a DNA test.

[Ashvazdanghe]

6 hours ago, Guest guest said:

I do not think there is anything wrong with Sayyids marrying Sayyids or non Sayyids, however, I disagree with the reasoning that Bibi Fatima(sa) will be disappointed with Sayyids who do marry non Sayyids.

Slam I totally agree with you which this phrase which has been accustomed to Bibi Fatima(sa) is totally wrong which is just a stereotype in countries likeise Pakistan & south Asia .

 

 

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235067039-a-syed-girls-marriage-with-non-syed-boy-why-is-this-even-a-topic-of-discussion/

[Ashvazdanghe]

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235046581-confused-about-sayyidnon-sayyid-marriage/

[Guest 313follower]

It's completally nonsense,

I don't get it how this concept of "sayed" came up to the world especially the Asian part. It's not only non arabs claiming to be arabs, same you see with non jews claiming to be jews especially from europe. Often forgotten that those are predicted to happen before the reapereance of our 12th imam. 

Second of all... our own imams marry women from diferent nations, so it's totally nonsens why a normal human being is not allowed to get married with someone out of their own ethnicity. 

And third of all,  you should be really careful to what you call yourself, most people nowadays call themselves "sayed" or "sayeda" or "alwiya" while they are completely lieying, they just like and enjoy to feel dominant and special...common we live in the 21st century, there is no need to use the concept "shajrah" but rather A DNA TEST, to see how much middle eastern you actually are... I don't want to scare people off...but I know lots iraqis (from known tribes) that did that test, came up 0.0 middle eastern. So how would it make sense to be a "sayed" especially because we know history really well and often really well covered up. How people marked themselves "sayed" to gain some benefits of the government. 

I am really tired of this disgusting tradition that entered our umma, may Allah hasten the reapereance so that people will be put onto their place. And ending this nonsense and betrayals.

[علوي]

 

[kadhim]

No, there’s no basis whatsoever for this notion. Weird quirk of the subcontinent specifically mostly. Not a real Islamic/Shia thing. 

[Shaheed786]

This type of thinking is prevalent among many South Asian Muslims. If you examine it closely, you'll see that there is an "Islamic" version of a caste system among South Asian Muslims (with Sayyids occupying the highest echelon of this informal "caste" system). Hindu concepts such as Caste still exert a lot of influence on South Asian Muslims. It is sad and such Jahiliyya must be rejected. 

[Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi]

Wa aliakum as salam.

This has been among shia for centuries but yes it has no basis and i don't think majority has ever believed marriage between syed-non syed as haram.

Also, those who talk alot about it don't even know what was considered haram by some classical scholars, it was not Syed / Non Syed marriage rather hashmi-non hashmi marriage was considered haram by some as Taqi Majlisi has said in his book.