Businessmen under long robes and turban

[EiE]

So, now that Iran's foreign minister has officially admitted to using Iranian drones, do you still believe the Iranian government is guided by the teaching of Ahlul-bayt?
What kind of justification exists for selling drones to war crawing countries, which will lead to many innocent dead?

 

They are beginning to resemble businessmen more and more each day, but instead of suits, they are wearing long robes and turbans.

[khizarr]

5 hours ago, EiE said:

What kind of justification exists for selling drones to war crawing countries, which will lead to many innocent dead?

 

Huh! I thought the Russians were bombing Nazis in those hospitals and apartment buildings. Iran is the good guy here, no?! They are reviving the Hussaini spirit so well. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

6 hours ago, EiE said:

So, now that Iran's foreign minister has officially admitted to using Iranian drones, do you still believe the Iranian government is guided by the teaching of Ahlul-bayt?
What kind of justification exists for selling drones to war crawing countries, which will lead to many innocent dead?

 

They are beginning to resemble businessmen more and more each day, but instead of suits, they are wearing long robes and turbans.

Salam he has told that Iran has sold some drones to Russia before start of war in Ukraine in similar fashion which any country sells some weapons during peace to each other but on the other hand Iran has has not sold even one drone after start of war also dropping corocodile tears for killing innocents in this war is just using victim card by Ukraine which according to news from both sides drones just  have been used for targeting military sites of ukraine which maybe Ukraine has used some of it's people as human shield or just introduces Azof militants as innocent civilians .

[EiE]

26 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam he has told that Iran has sold some drones to Russia before start of war in Ukraine in similar fashion which any country sells some weapons during peace to each other but on the other hand Iran has has not sold even one drone after start of war

 

This is just business for businessmen, not something that followers of Ahlul Bayt would consider.

1. The Russian invasion of Ukraine was anticipated for months before it began. It baffles me how Iranian officials could have been unaware of this given that it was common information.

2.  It makes absolutely no difference whether the drones were supplied prior to or following the invasion. They provided Russia with weapons to be used in the killing of others, including some innocent people. What other purposes did they anticipate for their drones? Are Russian officials implementing Ahlul Bayt's teachings?

 

Which side is Iran on? because they appear to be playing the narrative along with all other countries, whether they are on Ukraine's or Russia's side, they are all bad.
I'm referring to the true sides—are they with the taghut or with Ahlul Bayt? Because it appears that they are supplying taghut countries while remaining mute about the oppresion activities against other people, another example being BFF China.

 

Sometimes I wonder whether there are Iranian agents on this page being paid to safeguard their interests at all costs......

[Ashvazdanghe]

32 minutes ago, EiE said:

Sometimes I wonder whether there are Iranian agents on this page being paid to safeguard their interests at all costs......

Salam you have this feeling beacuse always you rely on zionist propaganda against iran as your news & information source which after reading them you quickly jump to a biased conclusion that policy of Iran is against teachings of Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام)

35 minutes ago, EiE said:

1. The Russian invasion of Ukraine was anticipated for months before it began. It baffles me how Iranian officials could have been unaware of this given that it was common information.

anticipating doesn't mean that something will be happen surly because in previous conflicts of Russai with Ukraine at the end of day they could solve problems but this time due to too much intervention of USA & too much influence zionist Israel on Ukraine so then their political struggle has lead to war .

40 minutes ago, EiE said:

Which side is Iran on? because they appear to be playing the narrative along with all other countries, whether they are on Ukraine's or Russia's side, they are all bad.
I'm referring to the true sides—are they with the taghut or with Ahlul Bayt? Because it appears that they are supplying taghut countries while remaining mute about the oppresion activities against other people, another example being BFF China.

This is another slandering without having enough evidence through relying on greates hypocrite of world the great Satan (USA)

 

38 minutes ago, EiE said:

2.  It makes absolutely no difference whether the drones were supplied prior to or following the invasion. They provided Russia with weapons to be used in the killing of others, including some innocent people. What other purposes did they anticipate for their drones? Are Russian officials implementing Ahlul Bayt's teachings?

before acusing Iran to participatingin killing of innocent try to find any evidence about it which surly accusing any muslim to any evil deed without having enough evidence is against teachings of Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام) which in similar fashion it's a great sin .

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Amirabdollahian said that Iran had supplied drones to Russia months before the Ukraine war began in February 2022.

The top Iranian diplomat also said that his country would "not remain indifferent" if it was proven that Russia had used the unmanned Iranian aircraft against Ukraine.

Malley claimed that Amirabdollahian’s comments were untrue that Iran had sent a few drones, according to Reuters.

"They transferred dozens just this summer and have military personnel in occupied Ukraine helping Russia use them," he said.

Also commenting on the issue, Amirabdollahian said that Iran and Ukraine were due to hold talks two weeks ago “in a European country” in order for Kiev to present evidence for Russia’s use of Iranian drones in Ukraine.

An Iranian delegation went to that European country, but the Ukrainian side unfortunately did not show up, he added.

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The Foreign Minister said that Ukraine did not attend the talks, because the US and certain European countries, especially Germany, had asked it to do so, arguing that they were planning sanctions against Iran over the issue.

After that, Amirabdollahian added, he and his Ukrainian counterpart last week agreed that Kiev would present evidence, if it has any, to assess the allegations.

“If it is proven that Russia has used Iranian drones against Ukraine in the war, we will not remain indifferent”, the top diplomat said, stressing that Iran wants an end to the Ukraine war and both sides to return to negotiations.

https://en.irna.ir/news/84933745/US-reacts-to-Iran-FM-comments-on-drones-shipped-to-Russia

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Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian in a phone talk with his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba on Friday once again rejected Western countries’ allegations of sending drones to Russia for use against Ukraine, saying that Ukraine should be careful not to be influenced by some extreme European politicians.

https://www.sharghdaily.com/Section-iran-256/860466-fm-provides-explanations-on-using-iran-drones-in-ukraine-war

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Elsewhere in his comments, Amir-Abdollahian noted that producing and publishing disinformation and misleading news on the internet against nations and governments is in complete contradiction to the principles of international law and the United Nations Charter.

Touching on the ongoing Israeli aggressions in occupied Palestine, the Iranian FM stressed that “undoubtedly, the most important violator of international law and which causes destruction and killing in the region is the Israeli regime.”

https://kayhan.ir/en/news/108642/iran-gave-drones-to-russia-months-before-war

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Following that, Amir Abdollahian continued, he and his Ukrainian counterpart agreed last week that Kiev produce proof, if any, to evaluate the claims.

Emphasizing that Iran seeks an end to the Ukraine crisis and wants both parties to resume dialogue, the foreign minister added, “If it is proven that Russia has used Iranian drones against Ukraine in the war, we will not remain indifferent.”

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/478388/U-S-reacts-to-Iranian-FM-s-remarks-over-drones

https://www.ruptly.tv/en/videos/20221105-024-iran-tehran-delivered-a-limited-number-of-drones-to-russia-months-before-ukraine-war-fm-amir-abdollahian

[Ashvazdanghe]

Addendum

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Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian on Saturday said that a few drones had been delivered to Russia before Moscow’s troops crossed the border with Ukraine in late February, according to a report by government-affiliated news agency IRNA. He denied that more drones had been supplied since the invasion. 

“We provided Russia a small number of drones months before the Ukraine war,” the IRNA report quoted him as saying.

 

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U.S. Special Envoy for Iran Robert Malley disputed that statement, saying it is “not true” that Iran gave Moscow only “a limited number of drones before the war.”

“They transferred dozens just this summer and have military personnel in occupied Ukraine helping Russia use them against Ukrainian civilians,” Malley said in a tweet. “Confronted with evidence, they need a new policy, not a new story.”

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“We shoot down at least 10 Iranian drones every day,” Zelenskyy said in his nightly address on Saturday. “And if Iran continues lying about the obvious, it means that the world will make even more efforts to investigate the terrorist cooperation between the Russian and Iranian regimes and what Russia is paying Iran for such cooperation,” he said.

https://www.politico.eu/article/iran-russia-drone-war-ukraine-hossein-amirabdollahian/

 

https://www.ruptly.tv/en/videos/20221105-024-iran-tehran-delivered-a-limited-number-of-drones-to-russia-months-before-ukraine-war-fm-amir-abdollahian

[علوي]

2 hours ago, khizarr said:

I thought the Russians were bombing Nazis in those hospitals and apartment buildings.

* ahem *

So does Amnesty International 

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Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm’s way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals...Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians, as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure. 

“We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General. 

“Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from respecting international humanitarian law.”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/

Habibi, for the love of God, don't rely on the Western media for all your information.

[علوي]

8 hours ago, EiE said:

So, now that Iran's foreign minister has officially admitted to using Iranian drones, do you still believe the Iranian government is guided by the teaching of Ahlul-bayt?

You do realise that...lying is Islamically allowed in times of war.....right?

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3-20 حدثنا أبي رضي الله عنه قال: حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله، عن أحمد بن الحسين بن سعيد، عن أبي الحسين بن الحضرمي، عن موسى بن القاسم البجلي، عن جميل بن دراج، عن محمد بن سعيد، عن المحاربي، عن جعفر بن محمد، عن أبيه، عن آبائه، عن علي عليهم السلام قال: قال النبي صلى الله عليه وآله: ثلاث يحسن فيهن الكذب: المكيدة في الحرب، وعدتك زوجتك، والاصلاح بين الناس. وثلاث يقبح فيهن الصدق: النميمة، وإخبارك الرجل عن أهله بما يكرهه. وتكذيبك الرجل عن الخبر. قال: وثلاثة مجالستهم تميت القلب: مجالسة الانذال والحديث مع النساء، ومجالسة الاغنياء

3-20 (The compiler of the book narrated) that his father - may God be pleased with him - narrated that Sa’ed ibn Abdullah quoted Ahmad ibn al-Hussein ibn Sa’id, on the authority of Abil-Hussein ibn al-Hazrami, on the authority of Jamil ibn Dur’raj, on the authority of Muhammad ibn Sa’id, on the authority of Al-Maharebi, on the authority of Ja’far ibn Muhammad (MGB) , on the authority of his father (MGB) , on the authority of his forefathers (MGB), on the authority of Ali (MGB) that the Prophet (MGB) said, “There are three situations in which it is good to lie: when plotting in a war, when promising to your wife, and when interceding between two people to improve their relationship. There are three situations in which it is bad to tell the truth: in gossiping, in informing a man about his wife, and when denying some (bad) news.” The Prophet (MGB) added, “Associating with three groups of people will spoil the heart: associating with mean people, talking with women and associating with rich people.”

https://thaqalayn.net/hadith/10/4/14/1

And Sayyed Abdul Husayn Dastghaib Shirazi writes in his book Greater Sins - Volume 2:

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It is known from some traditions that during a war with unbelievers, it is permissible to use falsehood, if by doing so, victory can be gained over them.

Iran - like usual - did nothing wrong. Rather, it is a part of the teachings of Ahlulbayt (A) that lying is acceptable in times of war.

8 hours ago, EiE said:

What kind of justification exists for selling drones to war crawing countries, which will lead to many innocent dead?

Like I mentioned in the above post, most of the targets that Russia is firing at have Ukrainian weapons and soldiers in them. (That's according to Amnesty International - Western). With the targets that didn't - casualties were minimal. And this is also acceptable because according to Islamic law, a greater harm can be reduced by a lesser harm. 

From the website of Ayatollah al-Sistani (Q),

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[The Prophet] would [further] say, 'Do not indulge in acts of extremism, do not disrespect dead corpses, do not resort to deceit, do not kill an elder, do not kill a child, do not kill a woman, and do no not cut down trees unless necessity dictates otherwise.'”

https://www.sistani.org/english/archive/25036/

I don't know what you're on about, but there's nothing wrong with this situation according to our religion. 

[علوي]

1 hour ago, EiE said:

the oppresion activities against other people, another example being BFF China.

I'm repeating this again. There's no proof of Uyghur genocide, cultural genocide, or even oppression in any form whatsoever. 

 

[khizarr]

1 hour ago, EiE said:

Sometimes I wonder whether there are Iranian agents on this page being paid to safeguard their interests at all costs......

Money doesn't do what years and years of Iranian propoganda could do to gullible Shi'as. It's shameful, really. Selling drones to an aggressor because 'Nazis' set up bases in hospitals and apartments and Iran, the upholder of Shi'a Islam and Islamic Revolution, thinks it is okay to kill civilians in the process - when in reality it's just selling weapons and cashing out profits, just like every other nation.@-Rejector-, you really are something. Don't defend this brutish regime's actions in front of me again. I have seen through it. Don't try to ever sell me any Hussainism in the name of Iran when they have blood dyed on their hands. You like reporting around and spreading propoganda and having people believe that lying is okay (even though Iran isn't at war)? Go do journalism in Iran. Don't waste my time. Because, unlike you, I can't really tell the difference between a 'Nazi's', child's, or woman's blood when I see it. All I see is human blood. Human lives that are forever gone. That's what Hussainism taught me, anyway. So, stop making a mockery out of this faith and recording more sins for yourself.

Have a good time.

Edited November 8, 2022 by khizarr

[علوي]

12 minutes ago, khizarr said:

@-Rejector-, you really are something.

Thank you 

12 minutes ago, khizarr said:

Don't defend this brutish regime's actions in front of me again. I have seen through it. Don't try to ever sell me any Hussainism in the name of Iran when they have blood dyed on their hands.

I will continue defending the Islamic Republic of Iran - because the truth is on their side - whether you like it or not. Sorry, but the truth doesn't revolve around the West.

13 minutes ago, khizarr said:

You like reporting around and spreading propoganda and having people believe that lying is okay (even though Iran isn't at war)?

By Iran supplying drones to Russia, they are at war. Isn't that your claim? That because they supply these drones, they have a hand in the "sin"?

14 minutes ago, khizarr said:

Go do journalism in Iran.

The vast majority of Iranians already know the truth, alhamdulillah. 

15 minutes ago, khizarr said:

Because, unlike you, I can't really tell the difference between a 'Nazi's', child's, or woman's blood when I see it. All I see is human blood. Human lives that are forever gone.

??

I never said that civilians dying was good. I said it was necessary. There's always gonna be collateral damage in war. Ask the US about that.

16 minutes ago, khizarr said:

So, stop making a mockery out of this faith and recording more sins for yourself.

...by quoting a7adeeth and Ayatollah al-Sistani? Hmm... very sinful indeed.

16 minutes ago, khizarr said:

Have a good time.

You too 

[khizarr]

2 minutes ago, -Rejector- said:

By Iran supplying drones to Russia, they are at war. Isn't that your claim? That because they supply these drones, they have a hand in the "sin"?

Nice try, but no. That is not my claim and you will not find a single statement from me that says that. I have always maintained that Iran is assisting an aggressor. Not that Iran, itself, is at war with Ukraine. 
 

6 minutes ago, -Rejector- said:

I will continue defending the Islamic Republic of Iran - because the truth is on their side - whether you like it or not. Sorry, but the truth doesn't revolve around the West.

Push the boat out, man. Have fun. 

[علوي]

49 minutes ago, khizarr said:

Iran is assisting an aggressor. Not that Iran, itself, is at war with Ukraine. 

It doesn't matter anyway, as the narration says "المكيدة في الحرب" and not something like "اذا تكون في حرب". So Iran doesn't need to be directly involved in the war for lying to be Islamically allowed. Plus, the 7adeeth says that lying is good while plotting for war - "يحسن". Just because Iran isn't directly involved, doesn't automatically make denying 7aram. 

[khizarr]

5 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

It doesn't matter anyway, as the narration says "المكيدة في الحرب" and not something like "اذا تكون في حرب". So Iran doesn't need to be directly involved in the war for lying to be Islamically allowed. Plus, the 7adeeth says that lying is good while plotting for war - "يحسن". Just because Iran isn't directly involved, doesn't automatically make denying 7aram

 

[علوي]

4 hours ago, khizarr said:

 

POV: You cant respond

[khizarr]

40 minutes ago, -Rejector- said:

POV: You cant respond

You win, kid. Go eat a cookie now. Go on. 

[EiE]

@Hasani Samnani

Given your position on the vaccination programme and your status as MD (if im not mistaken), I'm curious to hear what you have to say.

Here you have Ayatullah Ali Khamanei get the vaccine on television, do you believe this was a wise move? Does this move from the Ayatullah resemble the teachings of Ahlul Bayt?

 

I personally didn't believe in the "covid narrative" and I didn't believe in the "covid vaccination programme," both of which many people, including scientists, biologists, immunologists, doctors, etc., are now questioning. So ask yourself, why in the world would ayatullah khamanei take the shot on television, buy the covid narrative, and together with his officials initiate a mass vaccination programme in iran as well? Why would he expose his own people to something we know so little about and that has barely been tested at all. This seems more like widespread indoctrination. and all of this under the influence of who? that is a really great question.

[PureExistence1]

1 hour ago, EiE said:

@Hasani Samnani

Given your position on the vaccination programme and your status as MD (if im not mistaken), I'm curious to hear what you have to say.

Here you have Ayatullah Ali Khamanei get the vaccine on television, do you believe this was a wise move? Does this move from the Ayatullah resemble the teachings of Ahlul Bayt?

 

 

 

 

I personally didn't believe in the "covid narrative" and I didn't believe in the "covid vaccination programme," both of which many people, including scientists, biologists, immunologists, doctors, etc., are now questioning. So ask yourself, why in the world would ayatullah khamanei take the shot on television, buy the covid narrative, and together with his officials initiate a mass vaccination programme in iran as well? Why would he expose his own people to something we know so little about and that has barely been tested at all. This seems more like widespread indoctrination. and all of this under the influence of who? that is a really great question.

 

 

 

 

Salaam, i hate to admit it, but i have the same questions which is why i want to know if they have a VAERS system there, cuz MAYBE the vx developed in-country is different than the ones developed outside of the country and have less adverse reactions.

I know alot of iranians chose sputnik(russian), and ithers chose baraka(iranian)  but id still like to know what their Vaccine Adverse Reactions reports and numbers are.

I personally have no issue w Ayatullah Khamenei getting the vx on camera, id be more interested in knowing if it was Baraka or something else.

If he got baraka made in-country, and the whole point of the vx in general was to supposedly protect the population from death/serious illness, etc, then i see no problem.

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by PureExistence1

[EiE]

@PureExistence1

Yes, it was probably the vaccine they produced themselves or those imported, I believe from China.

That was not, however, my point. I'm trying to ask why Ahlul Bayt followers and Taghuts both follow the same concept, idea and narrative.
Why are they utilising devices whose maker, Karyl Mullis, indicated they can't be trusted, while mass-injecting their people with something that hasn't been studied much, isn't well-known to be effective against a disease, and has barely been evaluated at all.

Besides that, I have a lot more to say, some of which have already been covered in this topic. Do you think that resembles Shia Islam?

Do you believe the prophets or Ahlulbayt would approve with their choices?

[Abu_Zahra]

Getting vaccinated against a virus is incompatible with Islam? If this is the level of argumentation you are bringing to the table then don't expect anyone to take you seriously. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

18 hours ago, PureExistence1 said:

I know alot of iranians chose sputnik(russian), and ithers chose baraka(iranian)  but id still like to know what their Vaccine Adverse Reactions reports and numbers are.

Salam It's company has announced a 7/24 hotline for reporting side effects of "COVIran Barekat" vaccine as 021-89990000  (021 is internal code of Tehran ,Iran) which no serious side effect has reported until now which also although of all efforts of anti Iran media so then they couldn't found a negative report about it which until now these anti Iran channels have not reported any side effects of it which only for one time they have spread a rumor about death of a wellknown old actor of cinema & series due to using "COVIran Barekat" which at end of the day it's exposed that he has used Astrazeneca's vaccine which has caused his heart attack so then his death.

سامانه تلفنی ثبت عوارض احتمالی واکسن برکت راه اندازی شد

The phone system for registering possible side effects of the Barekat vaccine was launched

https://bpharmed.com/1401/02/29/سامانه-تلفنی-ثبت-عوارض-احتمالی-واکسن-ب/

Exporting "COVIran Barekat" vaccine to  backyard of USA /Promotion of health cooperation with Venezuela

https://bpharmed.com/1401/04/09/صادرات-واکسن-کوو-ایران-برکت-به-حیاط-خلو/

The shipment of Coviran Barkat vaccine was officially delivered to Nicaragua

https://bpharmed.com/1401/04/03/محموله-واکسن-کوویران-برکت-رسماً-تحویل/

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235065825-viruses-vaccinations/?do=findComment&comment=3394789

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 11/8/2022 at 2:53 AM, EiE said:

So, now that Iran's foreign minister has officially admitted to using Iranian drones, do you still believe the Iranian government is guided by the teaching of Ahlul-bayt?
What kind of justification exists for selling drones to war crawing countries, which will lead to many innocent dead?

 

They are beginning to resemble businessmen more and more each day, but instead of suits, they are wearing long robes and turbans.

The Iranian help to Russia is due to a defense pact between them which obliges it to help the ally in war. This has happened even in the time of Prophet (PBUHHP) when Prophet (PBUHHP) was asked to intervene between Bani Khaza and Bani Bakr and Prophet helped Bani Khaza. Russia was the country that was being cornered by the west and they stood against it by giving the west what they would have given Russia when they would have surrounded them. So, Iranian help is not unjustified. It is in accordance with the Islamic principles of war. These are in no way being used against civilians but the military targets which implies that for what purpose Iran has allowed sale of those weapons.

[EiE]

12 hours ago, Mahdavist said:

Getting vaccinated against a virus is incompatible with Islam? If this is the level of argumentation you are bringing to the table then don't expect anyone to take you seriously. 

Dealing and doing commercial business with taghut nations while remaining mute on the oppression being committed on other human beings, as well as selling destructive products for the use of killing and damage to others, is incompatible with Islam. Iran has a long history of doing that, as has frequently been discussed in these forums. Now, why am I focusing on Iran? Because Iranian leaders claim to be respecting Ahlul Bayt's teachings, but their actions show otherwise.

Regarding the vaccine query, you're asking the wrong question.

First and foremost, the medical industry should not be permitted to be profitable since it provides incentives to keep people sick, the more sick people, the more profits, similar to the weapons industry, the more wars, the more profits. This is a significant concept that I believe is essential for the well-being of all humans all around planet, and it has many solutions that will not be addressed here. So, in essence, I would claim that the current medical establishment is incompatible with Islam.

I try to keep things short in order to avoid derailment, as the virus and vaccine have both been covered more in-depth in other threads.

Now, in regards to the COVID virus and my displeasure about the Ayatullah receiving the injection on television. Have you ever seen an Ayatullah or other prominent spiritual figure injecting oneself on television? According to my knowledge, this has never happened before. Why did the Ayatullah take the vaccine on television if it was so beneficial to you? I found it to be wrong on so many levels, and a lack of accountability on so many levels, especially given our limited knowledge of the virus and vaccine. Why, like many other world leaders, did the Ayatullah appear on television to receive the shot? Do you now realise how powerful and influential these pharmaceutical companies are?

[khizarr]

17 hours ago, EiE said:

isn't well-known to be effective against a disease

What do you mean by this?

mRNA vaccines are very well known to be effective and they degrade pretty quickly as well. No harm done to our DNA in the process. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

16 hours ago, EiE said:

as well as selling destructive products for the use of killing and damage to others, is incompatible with Islam. Iran has a long history of doing that, as has frequently been discussed in these forums. Now, why am I focusing on Iran? Because Iranian leaders claim to be respecting Ahlul Bayt's teachings, but their actions show otherwise.

Slam this is a great lie & insulting to whole of Iranians which you accuse iran to these things even without having a single proof about it which according to Shia Islam accusing another muslim to any evil deed without having any proof is a great sin which now you have insulted whole of muslims in Iran without having proof about your baseles & hateful post .

16 hours ago, EiE said:

So, in essence, I would claim that the current medical establishment is incompatible with Islam.

This is just your claim which Iran has not done anything for it's profit in producing of vaccines for fighting with covid-19 so therefore you can't put Iran to this category .

16 hours ago, EiE said:

Now, in regards to the COVID virus and my displeasure about the Ayatullah receiving the injection on television. Have you ever seen an Ayatullah or other prominent spiritual figure injecting oneself on television? According to my knowledge, this has never happened before. Why did the Ayatullah take the vaccine on television if it was so beneficial to you? I found it to be wrong on so many levels, and a lack of accountability on so many levels, especially given our limited knowledge of the virus and vaccine. Why, like many other world leaders, did the Ayatullah appear on television to receive the shot? Do you now realise how powerful and influential these pharmaceutical companies are?

He has done it because he has trust in knowledge of Iranian scientists & for supporting domestic products for helping people of iran so consequently rest of oppressed people of world which clearly he firmly stood against high pressure of American & zionist pharmaceutical companies about forcing Iran to buy their vaccines & products wich Barakat organization is a Public Stock  Pharmaceutical group which shreholdrs of it are people of Iran.

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Barakat pharmaceutical group company (public shares) affiliated to the executive headquarters of Imam Khomeini's (رضي الله عنه) decree with more than 20 subsidiary companies in 2009 based on the analysis and forecasting of Iran's pharmaceutical industry and with the aim of meeting the needs of the society, under the title of "New Technologies Company"«شرکت فناوري‌هاي نوين دارويي تدبير»  "Darooi Tadbir" was established. As a knowledge-based economic complex, this company has chosen its approach to focus on health products.

The basis of the company's activity is moving towards the realization of Iran's 1404 vision and aligning with the comprehensive scientific plan of the country in line with social responsibility and respect for human values. Helping to expand social justice and increase the access of the disadvantaged to new health products through the production of medicines. With a cheaper price, it is one of the goals of this collection. The macro orientation of the company, entering new pharmaceutical fields including biotechnology, drug delivery technologies including nanotechnology, slow release drugs and new fields of health technology, development of the cellular-molecular industry including tuberculosis therapy, Gene therapy, immunotherapy and tissue technology.

Subsidiary companies of Barakat Pharmaceutical Holding in the fields of development and transfer of technical knowledge, commercialization of technologies and drug production (from effective pharmaceutical raw materials to the final product), commercial services (exports, imports and distribution) in the field of pharmaceuticals and other support services. It works. This group supplies 14% of the country's essential medicines and produces more than 420 products through its subsidiaries. Most of the shares of the subsidiaries of this holding, including Alborz Investment Company and a large part of the subsidiaries It is registered and offered in the Tehran Stock Exchange, like Soban Daru, Iran Daru, Toudh Daru, Alborz Daru, etc., and it belongs to all of people.

https://pharmacy.tums.ac.ir/fa/ngo/7

https://setad.ir/service/tadbir-group/گروه دارویی برکت

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Code of Ethics

We, the employees of Barakat Pharmaceutical Group, believe that we are serving the nation and shareholders in the field of production and industry of the country, we believe in the following principles of behavior and moral values and we will not spare any efforts to realize and institutionalize them:

    Believing in religious and Islamic culture and following it in one's speech and behavior and in relation to the company's shareholders, colleagues and clients with an emphasis on piety, justice, honor and moderation.
    Adherence to moral values in personal and organizational communication according to the three principles of sincerity, honesty and openness.
    Observance of respect, politeness and sobriety towards clients, colleagues and especially veterans and adherence to the culture of criticism, accountability, responsibility and mutual trust.
    Adhering to the culture of work and effort in the field of economy and production and serving people and satisfying customers, stakeholders and clients.
    Participation in decision-making and decision-making and joint efforts in order to achieve the company's goals and implement its plans.
    Full compliance and implementation of administrative laws, regulations and rules, and avoiding any abuse of job position and discrimination in work interactions and communications, and maintaining organizational information and secrets.

    Committing to the correct and timely implementation of obligations and a sense of responsibility and belonging to the profession and organization and creating a balance between individual and organizational interests by giving priority to organizational interests.
    Paying attention to the position of the company and complying with the requirements, considerations, roles and legal responsibilities in relation to all relevant factors and stakeholders of the company.
    Promotion and development of organizational experience and knowledge as the capital of the company and sharing it with colleagues, consultants and all stakeholders within the framework of the company's rules.
    Placing value on time and punctuality in carrying out activities and obligations and respecting the rights and time of colleagues, customers and clients.
    Observance of order, discipline and neatness of work environment and neatness of appearance according to Islamic culture.
    Optimum use of the company's resources and facilities and prevention of extravagance and wastage by observing wise economy and eliminating unnecessary formalities.

https://bpharmed.com/منشور-اخلاقی/

[EiE]

On 11/9/2022 at 6:43 PM, khizarr said:

mRNA vaccines are very well known to be effective and they degrade pretty quickly as well. No harm done to our DNA in the process. 

it has been debated for a long time, and you have two very opposing extremes with opposing perspectives.
If something is effective, I would expect it to work, I do not see that with the covid vaccines. That is without taking into account the amounts of reported vaccine-related harm.  People who have received three shots are still afflicted, and people are now being asked to have their fifth dose.

It begs the question: Why did the Ahlul Bayt adherents take the heed of the taghut narrative?

@AshvazdangheWhat are you even talking about? The Iranian medical system is a for-profit enterprise.
Why else would it be traded and listed on the stock exchange if it wasn't for profit? Barkat Pharmaceutical Group is a publicly traded company on the Tehran Stock Exchange.

Discussing with you about Iran is analogous to discussing the problems of North Korea with a North Korean.

[VoidVortex]

2 hours ago, EiE said:

Why else would it be traded and listed on the stock exchange if it wasn't for profit? Barkat Pharmaceutical Group is a publicly traded company on the Tehran Stock Exchange.

to be fair he did say it was a public stock and that the shareholders are people of Iran

[EiE]

6 hours ago, VoidVortex said:

to be fair he did say it was a public stock and that the shareholders are people of Iran

Even if all the shareholders are people of Iran how does that help?

[Ashvazdanghe]

14 hours ago, EiE said:

Discussing with you about Iran is analogous to discussing the problems of North Korea with a North Korean.

Slam you expect that me talk as as a zionist  about Iran or I trust all of msm propaganda against Iran .

5 hours ago, EiE said:

Even if all the shareholders are people of Iran how does that help?

It proves that it's not for benefit of company which Iranian vaccines have made for helping Iranians & standing againt too much pressure about forcing Iran to use American & zionist vaccines .

[khizarr]

On 11/14/2022 at 8:55 AM, EiE said:

it has been debated for a long time, and you have two very opposing extremes with opposing perspectives.

Go ahead and name me one single, credible, non-partisan scientist that has held the "opposing perspective". 
 

On 11/14/2022 at 8:55 AM, EiE said:

If something is effective, I would expect it to work, I do not see that with the covid vaccines.

What do you mean by "work"? Pfizer and Moderna do work, in the sense of reducing harm. It's quite simple to understand; the vaccine encodes a specific protein, which instructs our cells to produce the same spike protein that would target the virus - if it were introduced in the body. This has been studied extensively since 2011. The reason we have to keep getting those boosters is (1) because mRNA degrades quickly and (2) the virus undergoes mutation and thus our body is unable to recognize its new "face".
 

On 11/14/2022 at 8:55 AM, EiE said:

That is without taking into account the amounts of reported vaccine-related harm.

Such as?

On 11/14/2022 at 8:55 AM, EiE said:

People who have received three shots are still afflicted, and people are now being asked to have their fifth dose.

I hope you understand that that's not how vaccines work. The flu vaccine doesn't work that way either. You are not magically eliminating all harm by getting an injection.

 

Please go read what virologists have been studying and stop being fed by whatsapp news.

Edited November 15, 2022 by khizarr

[EiE]

@khizarr please have a look at this thread, some of the members have posted some good material. It's many pages long, so you will need time to go through all of it. Not all of the posts include reliable information, some are though very interesting and valuable. I havn't myself gone through it all, but I have seen some valuable posts.

 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 11/15/2022 at 3:46 AM, EiE said:

Even if all the shareholders are people of Iran how does that help?

Salam Imam khamenei has banned using any American or Zionist or British vacceine for fighting with Covid-19 but on the other hand he stated that vaccines must be provided from reliable ources which he obviously has supportd domestic vaccines which has been made by Iranian scientists or by cooperation of tem with trustworthy  countries  likewise Cuba & Australia which all of vaccines have been provided for free  for people of Iran & other residents likewise Afghan immigrants by non-profit Iranian medical companies through public stock which anyone from citizens of  Iran can be a shareholder in these companies which all financial support for covid-19 vaccines have been provided from reserved resources of government of Iran from selling oil & other international trades .

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 11/15/2022 at 3:46 AM, EiE said:

Even if all the shareholders are people of Iran how does that help?

Addendum anyway doing trade & making benefit even in dire situation likewise war or epidemy has not been banned by Shia Islam if trademen take care of people & provide necessary things in fair price & have mercy on needy people according to teaching of Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام)   but on the other hand making black market & hoarding &  misusing from bad conditopn of people so then forcing needy people to buy anything in high price  have been banned by shia Islam by ahlulbayt (عليه السلام) .

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 11/15/2022 at 3:46 AM, EiE said:

Even if all the shareholders are people of Iran how does that help?

Addendum in case of providing covid-19 vaccine for Iranian people nobody has felt that he has been rubbed by any medical company also it doesn't cause burden on aynone even needy people because whole of process has done freely without racism or discrimination for everyone from any class or race or ethnicity.

[Ashvazdanghe]

11 hours ago, khizarr said:

I hope you understand that that's not how vaccines work. The flu vaccine doesn't work that way either. You are not magically eliminating all harm by getting an injection.

 

Please go read what virologists have been studying and stop being fed by whatsapp news.

Salam I only agree with this part but on the other hand respectfully I disagree with your opinion about mRNA vaccines which all virologists in Iran have opposed using mRNA vaccines for humans although they have good exprience about it by producing & examining mRNA vaccines  on animals  .