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Dhul Qarnain, Alexander the great or Cyrus

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ASALAM o Alaikum

I've asked many Questions om this platform and I've been answered with the best logical answers Alhamdullilah

My question this time is very simple

Dhul Qarnain is a pious man mentioned In Quran and is know For the wall between Gog and Magog 

Now According to certain scholars 

Its King Alexander The Great

Some.say king Cyrus who both were greek but Cyrus is believed to be a monotheist

If any of you have any idea or who he is? His story matches to King Alexanders story More than Cyrus but as Alexander is believed to be from.greek religion (polytheistic) so some deny that Dhul Qarnain is Alexander

And another Question that I've had 

Gog and Magog what's their reality?

Like where are they as they are portrayed to be behind a wall. What kind of wall.is this I've heard some liberal or secular Muslim say that they are a nation which will be corrupt so according to them they still exist as we speak 

Thank you JazakAllah khair 

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5 hours ago, Guest ShiaEAli said:

ASALAM o Alaikum

I've asked many Questions om this platform and I've been answered with the best logical answers Alhamdullilah

My question this time is very simple

Dhul Qarnain is a pious man mentioned In Quran and is know For the wall between Gog and Magog 

Now According to certain scholars 

Its King Alexander The Great

Some.say king Cyrus who both were greek but Cyrus is believed to be a monotheist

If any of you have any idea or who he is? His story matches to King Alexanders story More than Cyrus but as Alexander is believed to be from.greek religion (polytheistic) so some deny that Dhul Qarnain is Alexander

Salaam,

The Quran mentions DhulQarnayn going West and then East. Alexander mostly went East whereas Cyrus and Darius went Westward and then Eastward. 

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7 hours ago, Guest ShiaEAli said:

Some.say king Cyrus who both were greek but Cyrus is believed to be a monotheist

Cyrus is interesting one, according to Jewish he was actually Messiah, a servant of God.

Isaiah tells us that Yahweh spoke “to his messiah, to Cyrus, whom I [Yahweh] took by his right hand to subdue nations before him” (Isa 45:1).

I really don't know why people always bring Alexander The great, no where he is even mentioned in scriptures and mostly he was a polytheist. The horns of Alexander are related to Zeus-Ammon:

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Zeus-Ammon (left) and Alexander (right). The horns over the ears are a Greek version of the traditional animal-headed deities of Egypt. Here's a more traditional representation of Amun:

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In my understanding, Dhul Qarnayn was most likely Cyrus. It’s interesting to note that Cyrus freed the Jews in 538 BC, ordered the reconstruction of the temple in Jerusalem, and is venerated in the Hebrew Bible, and it turns out it is specifically the Jews who end up asking the Prophet (s) about Dhul Qarnayn. So it seems that the Jews were familiar with or fond of this person.

Alexander, on the other hand, is not venerated by them as such.

 

As for Gog and Magog, there are several theories about them, but there are not many reliable sources to look at. In the Qur’an, we see that the Ya’juj and Ma’juj are mentioned but we cannot be certain that they are the same as the Gog and Magog of the Bible. Dhul Qarnayn is said to have first gone west, and then east, and then on "another [third] course" where he encountered a people troubled by Ya'juj and Ma'juj. For all we know, he may have gone up north or somewhere else. Interestingly, Biblical scholars are pretty clear that the Gog and Magog of the Old Testament are not the same as the Gog and Magog of the New Testament. So people have proposed a few ideas:

‘Magog’ is believed to be the second son of Japheth, who was the son of Noah. Japheth, classically, has been considered the progenitor of the Europeans (haplogroup R1) and thus Magog may have been the founder of some kind of warrior community settled in Western or Central Asia that later emigrated into Europe. This is hinted at in Ezekiel, where the “land of Magog”, whose “chief prince” was Gog, is said to be in the “uttermost parts of the north” who also possessed “mighty horsemen”. Josephus, to the same effect, had described Magog as the wild tribes that lived north of the Caucasus. 

It could also be referring to the Scythians, the Indo-European nomads that dominated the Eurasian steppe. These people had mixed heritage, but they too were a warrior people that eventually declined and the remaining few had migrated into parts of Central Europe where they assimilated with local cultures. 

Some contemporary scholars have tried to argue that they were the hunter-gatherers that moved into Scandinavia, and that the Vikings were in fact the prophesied Ya’juj and Ma’juj. Not too sure about this one, as I haven’t researched it myself. I probably wouldn't be convinced that they were the Norsemen, but I’d have to look into it. Others have tried to say that they were the Mongols, or the colonialists, or perhaps the Chinese. Some time back, I read on a Christian site that the “Gog and Magog” were the Ayyubid Muslims. Some people have simply taken Gog and Magog to be a group of people that once existed and are now literally, physically stuck inside or behind some kind of wall.

 

 

 

I’ve tried to look into the bits of information that we have across the Abrahamic traditions, but a lot of it is just speculation, really. So take all of this with a grain of salt.

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