Ayatullah War in Iran

[EiE]

Grand Ayatollah Sayed Kazim Shariatmadari

"He favoured the traditional Shiite practice of keeping clerics away from governmental positions and was a critic of Supreme Leader Ruhollah Khomeini, denouncing the taking hostage of diplomats at the US embassy in Tehran. In 1982 he was accused of being part of a plot to bomb Khomeini's home and to overthrow the Islamic republic, and he remained under house arrest until his death in 1986. His followers also opposed Ruhollah Khomeini."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Kazem_Shariatmadari

 

Grand Ayatollah Ahmad Khonsari

"he was a staunch opponent of the Shah’s White Revolution in 1963. But he felt Khomeini’s direct challenge of the Shah, claiming to speak for the entirety of Iranian religious leadership, went too far. Khonsari openly criticized Khomeini’s behaviour.

Khonsari was a quietist, who believed the clergy should not exercise political power. As such, he opposed Ayatollah Khomeini’s interpretation of the concept of velayat-e faqih."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Khonsari

 

Grand Ayatollah Sayed Hassan Tabatabaei Qomi

" He has repeatedly criticized the velayat-e faqih, and because of his critique, the Iranian government, beginning with Ruhollah Khomeini, placed him under house arrest from 1984 until his death in 2007"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Tabatabaei_Qomi

 

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Muhammad al-Husayni al-Shirazi

"Amnesty International reports that in Iran:

several followers of Grand Ayatollah Sayed Mohammad Shirazi were detained during [1998]. In January Sheikh Mohammad Amin Ghafoori, a well-known religious figure and writer, his wife, and Sayed Hossein Fali were arrested in Qom. There were reports that they were beaten during arrest and tortured in detention. Sayed Hossein Fali was reported to have been released in June. Sheikh Mohammad Amin Ghafoori was said to have been sentenced in July to two and a half years' imprisonment by the Special Court for the Clergy, whose procedures fell far short of international standards. In October, five other followers of Grand Ayatollah Shirazi, including Reza Sultani, were reported to have been arrested and they remained held incommunicado at the end of the year. Sheikh Sadiq Za'eemiyan has also been harassed.

After many years of being under the house arrest, Grand Ayatollah Shirazi died on Monday, December 17, 2001 in Qom"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_al-Shirazi

 

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Sadiq al-Husayni al-Shirazi

"Most accusations made against al-Shirazi are a result of his independence and criticism of Iran's ruling establishment.

On March 6, 2018, his son, Hussein was arrested reportedly by the IRGC as he appeared at the Special Clerical Court. He was prosecuted after a lecture comparing Iran's government—the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist (velayat-e faqih)—to a regime of "pharaohs".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiq_al-Shirazi

 

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Muhammad-Sadiq Husayni Rohani

"Rohani was one of the first senior clerics to be placed under house arrest under direct order from grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini just a few years after the Iranian revolution. Rohani remains a critic of the Iranian government today."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Sadeq_Rouhani

 

Grand Ayatollah Yousef Saanei

"A day after the funeral procession of Montazeri, around 1,000 members of Iran's Basij militia and "plainclothes men" attacked offices of Saanei in the central shrine city of Qom, a reformist website reported on 22 December 2009. The plainclothes militiamen broke the windows of Saanei's office and insulted him and his staff and also beat up his staff.They also put up posters of Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei, who has been a staunch defender of hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's controversial June re-election and who ordered a post-election crackdown on opposition protests. Police sided with the militia and prevented Saanei's supporters from defending his office, the website said.

Whether he was a Marja' (Grand Ayatollah) was disputed. His calls for radical political reform in Iran were very controversial and in 2010 the government-sponsored "Qom Theological Lecturers Association" (Jame-e-Modarressin) declared him no longer qualified for emulation as a Grand Ayatollah."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yousef_Saanei

 

Grand Ayatollah Hussein-Ali Montazeri

"He was one of the leaders of the Iranian Revolution and one of the highest-ranking authorities in Shīʿite Islam. He was once the designated successor to the revolution's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khomeini, but they had a falling-out in 1989 over government policies that Montazeri claimed infringed on people's freedom and denied them their rights. Montazeri spent his later years in Qom and remained politically influential in Iran, but was placed in house arrest in 1997 for questioning "the unaccountable rule exercised by the supreme leader", Ali Khamenei, who succeeded Khomeini in his stead. He was known as the most knowledgeable senior Islamic scholar in Iran and a grand marja (religious authority) of Shia Islam. Ayatollah Montazeri was said to be one of Khamenei's teachers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein-Ali_Montazeri

 

Grand Ayatollah Yasubeddin Rastegar Jooybari

"He has repeatedly been arrested for his opposition against the current Iranian government, in particular Supreme Leader Khamenei.Khamenei's elevation to supreme leader was challenged by him.

During his arrest in late February 1996, he was held in incommunicado detention, reportedly mainly in Tawhid and Evin Prisons in Tehran until July 1996. In August 1996, he was sentenced to three years imprisonment for having held a mourning ceremony for the late Grand Ayatollah Shariatmadari. He was sentenced by the Special Clerical Court after a summary trial on vaguely worded charges, in which he had no access to a lawyer.^[8]

Ayatollah Rastgari was released from prison in December 1996, but immediately afterwards was placed under house arrest in Qom. Rastgari was again arrested on April 27, 2004 and sentenced by the Special Clerical Court to four years in prison for “insulting Islam” and “causing schism” through his critical book on Sunni-Shia relations, The Reality of Religious Unity. He has reportedly been tortured while in detention and is held incommunicado without access to his family

His two sons were arrested with him at the time. After publishing Rastgari's book "The Reality of Religious Unity," the book's publisher was shut down

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasubedin_Rastegar_Jooybari

 

Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Taher bin Abdul-hameed bin Isa bin Hasan bin Shubayr bin Thiab bin Mohammed bin Harb al-Khaqani

"He was a leading Iranian Arab Shia cleric from Ahwaz.Khaqani was imprisoned after the 1979 Revolution in Iran for his opposition to the velayat-e faqih and his promotion of autonomy for the Ahwazi Arabs of Iran's Khuzestan province. The Grand Ayatollah died in suspicious circumstances in 1986 while under house arrest in Qom."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad-Taher_Shubayr_al-Khaqani

 

Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani

"Rafsanjani died in 2017, following a heart attack, in a hospital in Tehran at the age of 82. Although government officials attributed his death to cardiac arrest, his sudden death prompted speculation that he had been assassinated. His family strongly asserted that he had been murdered. Further investigation revealed that his body was highly radioactive"

 

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Kamal al-Haydari    ?

Not sure if he was placed under house arrest or not, or why.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since there is so much information, I tried to copy and paste the most significant from the wikipedia links, but obviously I didn't get it all.
Additionally, I would want to point out that Wikipedia is not always the best source of information, particularly when it originates from the East.

 

 

This makes me wonder how many people have been placed under house arrest, died unexpectedly, or vanished without a trace.
I'm sure I've missed a lot. Do you know of any other Ayatullahs or prominent religious or political figures that were placed under house arrest, disappeared, or died mysteriously?
Comment below.

 

Edited October 2, 2022 by EiE

[layman]

What is your motive of opening this discussion?

[Hameedeh]

49 minutes ago, EiE said:

Grand Ayatollah Yousef Saanei

Whether he was a Marja' (Grand Ayatollah) was disputed. His calls for radical political reform in Iran were very controversial and in 2010 the government-sponsored "Qom Theological Lecturers Association" (Jame-e-Modarressin) declared him no longer qualified for emulation as a Grand Ayatollah."

As one example, if you study his views, he allowed his followers to gamble and he told them that they could eat meat slaughtered by non-Muslims.

House arrest for any ayatollah probably is/was a protection for him from angry people. 

[notme]

Power always corrupts fallible human beings.  Always. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

7 hours ago, EiE said:

a falling-out in 1989 over government policies that Montazeri claimed infringed on people's freedom and denied them their right

Salam everyhing in wikipedia is not right information which everyone knows that him has asked for freedom of MKO terrorists who they have killed & tortured many innocent people & spread terrorism  besides being fifth column of cursed Saddam in his war against  Iran which in Wikipedia they have been called just innocent  people in jail .

7 hours ago, EiE said:

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Kamal al-Haydari    ?

Not sure if he was placed under house arrest or not, or why.

This batalant lie has been spread by fake accounts in Social media without having any evidence .

7 hours ago, EiE said:

His family strongly asserted that he had been murdered. Further investigation revealed that his body was highly radioactive"

reality is opposite which one of IRGC commanders has claimed that he has been killed by radioactive poisoning by Zionists  while in opposite  his family has denied everything  which until now no one from his family has requested for investigations about his death.

[Ashvazdanghe]

10 hours ago, EiE said:

Further investigation revealed that his body was highly radioactive"

 

تحلیل سردار حاج سعید قاسمی از مرگ هاشمی رفسنجانی در استخر ویژه فرح پهلوی

Sardar Haj Saeed Ghasemi's analysis of Hashemi Rafsanjani's death in Farah Pahlavi's special pool

https://www.aparat.com/v/yJSxU/تحلیل_سردار_حاج_سعید_قاسمی_از_مرگ_هاشمی_رفسنجانی_در

Sardar Haj Saeed Ghasemi's analysis of Hashemi Rafsanjani's death in Farah Pahlavi's special pool and the reason for not publishing photos of his face and body!!

 

محافظان هاشمی درباره مرگ وی به حاج سعید قاسمی چه گفتند؟

What did Hashemi's bodyguards tell Haj Saeed Ghasemi about his death?

https://www.aparat.com/v/s4tSr/محافظان_هاشمی_درباره_مرگ_وی_به_حاج_سعید_قاسمی_چه

[Borntowitnesstruth]

10 hours ago, EiE said:

This makes me wonder how many people have been placed under house arrest, died unexpectedly, or vanished without a trace.
I'm sure I've missed a lot. Do you know of any other Ayatullahs or prominent religious or political figures that were placed under house arrest, disappeared, or died mysteriously?
Comment below.

The ideal system which a country could have after the occultation of Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) would be that of having a religious authority guiding the government administration according to its role and responsibility. Ayotullah Khomeini was not wrong in founding this form of system in his country which was ideal for such system. Those who went against Ayotullah Khomeini's such opinion about governance were wrong because Islam always pleads for a government to be guided by Islamic ethics. And, one does not know whether such person who had opposed Ayotullah Khomeini had relations with foreign elements to fail such system in their country.

[Ashvazdanghe]

Iran arrests Rafsanjani's daughter on charges of inciting riots

Iranian security forces have arrested Faezeh Hashemi, the daughter of former President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, on charges of "inciting riots."

Iran's Tasnim news agency said Faezeh "has a previous record of arrests due to her direct presence in some past protests.

Faezeh, 59, is the daughter of Hashemi Rafsanjani, the former moderate president who called for rapprochement with the West and the US.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220928-iran-arrests-rafsanjanis-daughter-on-charges-of-inciting-riots/

She has clashed with authorities over government policies before, being arrested after protests in 2009 and indicted this year on charges of sacrilege and acting against the regime, after allegations that she insulted the Prophet Muhammad.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/iran-arrests-ex-president-s-daughter-faezeh-hashemi-for-inciting-rioters-101664348720383.html

Ex-Iranian president’s daughter indicted after ‘insulting’ Islam’s Prophet

Recently, Fa’ezeh Hashemi angered many in Iran by making disrespectful comments against Prophet Muhammad, who she claimed had “wasted” the rich assets of his wife hazrat Khadijah.

Days earlier, she had also hit out at the activities of Iran’s Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC), an official division of the country’s Armed Forces, and said the elite military force should remain on the US sanctions list.

Those comments also triggered outrage in Iran, with thousands of people signing an online petition calling for Hashemi Rafsanjani to stand trial.

https://ifpnews.com/iran-faezeh-hashemi-rafsanjani-indicted/

[Borntowitnesstruth]

15 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Recently, Fa’ezeh Hashemi angered many in Iran by making disrespectful comments against Prophet Muhammad, who she claimed had “wasted” the rich assets of his wife hazrat Khadijah.

 

Wow, she lost her mind. Hazrat Khadijah (عليه السلام) was a wise lady and she knew what she was doing.

[root]

2 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

Wow, she lost her mind. Hazrat Khadijah (عليه السلام) was a wise lady and she knew what she was doing.

She has been nutty for quite some time now

[VoidVortex]

14 hours ago, notme said:

Power always corrupts fallible human beings.  Always. 

power may corrupt fallible human beings, generally only a few are capable of not being corrupted. There are some scholars(I'm not speaking about ayatollahs specifically) that are corrupted by love of the world. On the other hand we have scholars that are so pious that they have no ambition for the world. Ayatollah Sistani is a very grand example of this, he has never been corrupted. In my opinion Ayatollah Khamenei and Ayatollah Khomeini are one of the greatest examples of this, the power they have is very immense and the influence they have is very immense but they both stayed loyal to Allah and his messenger. 

[VoidVortex]

we can say that the Ayatollahs presented is a minority compared to the amount of Ayatollahs that are pro-IRI. Claims of poisoning of these scholars or assassinations of them can't be believed unless there is actual solid proof. Mere conjecture can't be accepted especially when the crime is so severe, as murdering a muslim is very severe, let alone a grand Ayatollah.

[EiE]

15 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

As one example, if you study his views, he allowed his followers to gamble and he told them that they could eat meat slaughtered by non-Muslims.

House arrest for any ayatollah probably is/was a protection for him from angry people. 

 

I read that, but I'm not sure how to interpret the rulings. For instance, he also claims that:

• Any type of game or contest where the organizer/owner can collect all the participants money, and use it to enrich themselves is unlawful gambling.
• Playing with gambling tools, such as cards or backgammon, with the intent of gambling is unlawful.

 

However, that does not permit the regime to place him under house arrest. And I find it hard to believe that it was done to keep him safe from angry individuals.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

reality is opposite which one of IRGC commanders has claimed that he has been killed by radioactive poisoning by Zionists  while in opposite  his family has denied everything  which until now no one from his family has requested for investigations about his death.

wrong, his daughter did, here's an article from 2017.

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2017/02/27/Rafsanjani-s-daughter-Mysterious-cause-behind-my-father-s-death-

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by EiE

[EiE]

15 hours ago, layman said:

What is your motive of opening this discussion?

 

Anyone who expresses opposition to the current regime or criticism of its leaders seems to be subject to house arrest, imprisonment, or mysterious death.
Do you consider this to be an Islamic system now, or does it resemble North Korea more?

Some of these individuals served as Grand Ayatullah Sayyid Khomeini's teachers and/or closest friends.

Edited October 3, 2022 by EiE

[notme]

1 hour ago, VoidVortex said:

Ayatollah Sistani is a very grand example of this, he has never been corrupted. In my opinion Ayatollah Khamenei and Ayatollah Khomeini are one of the greatest examples of this, the power they have is very immense and the influence they have is very immense but they both stayed loyal to Allah and his messenger. 

I do not know enough to express an opinion on this, but in general if a thing must not be questioned, it needs to be questioned.  

Perhaps it's from my culture or perhaps it's part of my nature, but I always question authority. Good leaders are rare and rarely stay fully good when they remain in power for a long time.  In my opinion, no fallible person should be given much power, and all given power should have a specific purpose and limited duration, and be easily revocable by the population.  

And also how other countries govern themselves is none of my business so my ideas about power don't matter one bit in this case.  

[Borntowitnesstruth]

2 hours ago, EiE said:

However, that does not permit the regime to place him under house arrest. And I find it hard to believe that it was done to keep him safe from angry individuals.

 

well, if he says something which is against Islam, he is risk for both Muslims and for himself. Muslims have taken a vow not to let the sins spread which is Nahi Anil Munkar. There may be many thing about him which placed him under house arrest because we can see that Ayotullah Hashmi Rafasanjani was against some of the policies of Ayotullah Khomeini but that did not result in house arrest.

[علوي]

22 hours ago, EiE said:

This makes me wonder how many people have been placed under house arrest, died unexpectedly, or vanished without a trace.
I'm sure I've missed a lot. Do you know of any other Ayatullahs or prominent religious or political figures that were placed under house arrest, disappeared, or died mysteriously?
Comment below.

22 hours ago, EiE said:

Amnesty International reports that in Iran

Whenever you hear 'Amnesty International' and 'Iran' in the same sentence, you know it's going to be a lie. And I wouldn't trust Wikipedia either. A lot of this "Ayatollah War" is either made or made-up by the West. They want to make Iran look devilish, as usual. 

That said, of course I can't deny that there are many scholars who, because of their vocality against Wilayat al-Faqeeh and the Islamic Revolution, have been punished accordingly. But remember, the West actually has a policy of stirring up trouble in Iran to bring about regime change. They've been doing this for years. This is why it's a bit questionable when members of Imam Khamenei's own sect are the ones most against him. 

I used to think that the 'Shirazis are MI6' opinion was flawed, but recently I've started questioning myself. What motive does Sadiq Shirazi (and his supporters) have to just bash the Islamic Republic? Why do they talk more against Iran than against the West and 'Israel'?

Makes you wonder. 

[علوي]

6 hours ago, EiE said:

Anyone who expresses opposition to the current regime or criticism of its leaders seems to be subject to house arrest, imprisonment, or mysterious death.
Do you consider this to be an Islamic system now, or does it resemble North Korea more?

Some of these individuals served as Grand Ayatullah Sayyid Khomeini's teachers and/or closest friends.

The thing is, the enemies of the Islamic Republic are working to destroy it every day. They keep coming up with new ideas (that never work) in order to bring down the 'regime' in Iran. 

If Imam Khomeini and Imam Khamenei weren't so strict with freedom of speech, who knows what it could have led to? Even now, we see the Western-backed riots in Iran, and that's with these laws. Imagine if the laws were a bit more loose, the West could easily cause a regime change and install a puppet government, exactly like they did in Ukraine in 2014. 

[layman]

10 hours ago, EiE said:

 

Anyone who expresses opposition to the current regime or criticism of its leaders seems to be subject to house arrest, imprisonment, or mysterious death.
Do you consider this to be an Islamic system now, or does it resemble North Korea more?

Some of these individuals served as Grand Ayatullah Sayyid Khomeini's teachers and/or closest friends.

This is my understanding.

Islamic Republic of Iran was established with referendum more than 95% of the people of Iran.  The constitution and the type of administration was approved.  Those who clearly opposed the system and want the system to be compromised will be punished.  That is how an administration system in all over the globe works.

There were times, during the Prophet time in Medina where few of followers of Islam didn't go to war when they were directed.  They gave excuses and reasons.  The Prophets and Muslims boycotted them.  Some muslims turned into munafiq because they opposed the system.  Others introduced new system in saqifah.  These people opposed the system established by the Prophet.

Are we not going to expect stiff opposition to Islamic Rep of Iran by so called learned scholars???   Yes! We will have opposition because some cannot stand the constitution.

The Islamic Republic of Iran and the creation of Wilayatul Faghih is to bring Iranians together and stand up against unjust Superpowers.  If they are no unjust superpowers to cause destruction to Muslim nations, in particular Iran, then there is no need of wilayatul Faghih.  All past and future wilayatul Faghih in Iran will have these characters, they will stand up against corrupt superpowers and world oppressors and stand with the oppressed people.

Anyone or so-called scholars who opposed wilayatul Faghih and want to replace the system are directly or indirectly agents of the Superpowers.  All of them caused disturbance among people and belief of people.

Wilayatul Faghih of Iran will not have authority beyond the border of Iran. Some scholars in other countries may adhere to advise from wilayatul Faghih due to belief and respect.

Within Iran, all scholars, regardless of their rank must respect the Wilayatul Faghih.  Even if they maybe teachers to him or senior in term of Islamic studies.  Holding the trust of a nation to stand up against Oppressive Superpowers carries heavy responsibilities.  Respect the constitution and role of Wilayatul Faghih.

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by layman

[Guest Skeptical]

5 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

Whenever you hear 'Amnesty International' and 'Iran' in the same sentence, you know it's going to be a lie.

And of course when you hear 'Amnesty International' and 'United States' or 'United Kingdom' in the same sentence, you know it's going to be the truth.

[Hasani Samnani]

I am sure you have not read much history of the Shahs time. 

Read Iran Expert Gary sick's books about the revolution from an American intelligence expert.

On 10/2/2022 at 4:02 PM, EiE said:

This makes me wonder how many people have been placed under house arrest, died unexpectedly, or vanished without a trace.
I'm sure I've missed a lot. Do you know of any other Ayatullahs or prominent religious or political figures that were placed under house arrest, disappeared, or died mysteriously?

Are you aware how many Ayatullahs and even Grand Ayatullah were under pay of the Shah, and he elicited fatwas just as the Abbasids and Umayad caliphs had Shia and Sunni as covert agents to write favorable fatwas to cover their crimes.

So let's see...If we can start your count under the Shah and after his reinstallaltion after Mossadegh's British and American coup d'etat sponsored by Oil companies; the Savak ( trained by Israel) imprisoned,  executed, murder, assassinated, imprisoned children and brutally tortured millions of  Shia ....the Wikipedia ( lazy person encyclopedia) ...which alwys so pro muslim,  pro Islamic and unbiased...you make a list of random Ayatullahs and show their biases and want us to criticize the one govt planning,  preparing their people and the world,  laying the groundwork and for the Zahoor of our Imam....really...that's completely irrational if you believe in the Imam and His zahoor.

If you don't belive in his Zahoor and his guidance,  and that a govt of non masoom can make mistakes ....then there are many wahabis and salafis who would have to be on your side.

[Hasani Samnani]

11 hours ago, EiE said:

Some of these individuals served as Grand Ayatullah Sayyid Khomeini's teachers and/or closest friends.

If one of the 4 nai'b Imams hand picked by IMAM E ZAMANA,  could be corrupted by power And money...then anyone can.

If Ayatullah Behjat and Allama Tabatabai  and Ayatullah Jannati were on our Imams side then.....that's the side I choose 24/7/365 everytime.

[notme]

5 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

If Imam Khomeini and Imam Khamenei weren't so strict with freedom of speech, who knows what it could have led to?

Surely good ideas can withstand questioning and even misinformation? Truth always comes out.  

[The Alchemist]

On 10/3/2022 at 3:12 AM, Hameedeh said:

As one example, if you study his views, he allowed his followers to gamble and he told them that they could eat meat slaughtered by non-Muslims.

House arrest for any ayatollah probably is/was a protection for him from angry people. 

He allows playing with cards just for the purpose of amusement. He is very clear about gambling; he deems it illegal.

As regards eating meat slaughtered by non-Muslims, there are other scholars who allow eating such meat if it is slaughtered by a monotheist who followed requisites of Islamic prescribed way of slaughtering.

What else of his views are objectionable?

He seemed to be a reformist, and it is deplorable that reformists marjas are seen negatively by many. Take example of Ayatollah Fadlallah, Ayatollah Muhammad Hussain Najfi (also known as Ayatollah Dhaku).

[EiE]

16 hours ago, notme said:

I do not know enough to express an opinion on this, but in general if a thing must not be questioned, it needs to be questioned. 

I completely agree.

15 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

well, if he says something which is against Islam, he is risk for both Muslims and for himself. Muslims have taken a vow not to let the sins spread which is Nahi Anil Munkar.

As ayatullahs are infallible, how can you be certain that what they say is contrary to Islam and not what another ayatullah, such as your own, says?

 

15 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

we can see that Ayotullah Hashmi Rafasanjani was against some of the policies of Ayotullah Khomeini but that did not result in house arrest.

He just died mysteriously according to his daughter.... I make no claims as to the regime's involvement, but we also cannot state with certainty that they were not.

 

11 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

Whenever you hear 'Amnesty International' and 'Iran' in the same sentence, you know it's going to be a lie. And I wouldn't trust Wikipedia either. A lot of this "Ayatollah War" is either made or made-up by the West. They want to make Iran look devilish, as usual. 

Hey, I know wikipedia or Amnesty International aren't the finest sources of information, but how do you know the Iranian media ei government is reliable?
Do you honestly think the west has a list of every ayatullah who is under house arrest, in jail, or who has passed away mysteriously so they can compile a report on it and incite a riot in the nation?

No, they are most likely members of the ayatullah's family or close friends who are making the report to the foreign media or organisations in order to assist them with their problem or to draw awareness to their situation.

[EiE]

6 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Are you aware how many Ayatullahs and even Ayatullah were under pay of the Shah,

Did you forget to mention that there are rumours that several of them receive pay checks from western governments, some of which include Ayatullah Sayyid Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic Revolution.
Remember that He was in exile before suddenly ascending to power.
How, I wonder?
I suppose we will never know the real story.

I have a documentary that you might be interested in watching that discusses the mystery of Iran's Islamic revolution.

Whatever the case, I'm not blaming anyone, perhaps there's a purpose for everything that's occurring, and no matter how hard I try to understand it, I might never fully grasp it.

[علوي]

7 hours ago, notme said:

Surely good ideas can withstand questioning and even misinformation? Truth always comes out.

It's yet to come out to the millions of people who believe that the US is so great and Russia, China, and Iran are so evil. I'm waiting for that. I'm also waiting for people to condemn Britain for their countless crimes in Africa, India, America, and Australia. I'm also waiting for people to use their logic and acknowledge the nazis in Ukraine. I'm also waiting for people to accept the Wilayah of Mohammad and Aali Mohammad (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

Yes, when Imam al-Mehdi (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) returns, the truth will come out, but until then, falsehood will be the norm. 

We see with Iran that it's the 2nd most sanctioned country in the world (after Russia). What else is it? The only Shi'ite-run country in the world. Us Shi'a are always being attacked. And what other Shi'a leaders are there? None, other than Assad. But guess what, Syria is the 3rd most sanctioned country in the world! Subhanallah, it's always against us the Shi'a. 

1 hour ago, EiE said:

As ayatullahs are infallible

I think you meant 'fallible'?

1 hour ago, EiE said:

Hey, I know wikipedia or Amnesty International aren't the finest sources of information, but how do you know the Iranian media ei government is reliable?

I don't. But it's infinitely more reliable than any other news source. 

1 hour ago, EiE said:

Do you honestly think the west has a list of every ayatullah who is under house arrest, in jail, or who has passed away mysteriously so they can compile a report on it and incite a riot in the nation?

Wouldn't be surprised. These people are crazy.

1 hour ago, EiE said:

No, they are most likely members of the ayatullah's family or close friends who are making the report to the foreign media or organisations in order to assist them with their problem or to draw awareness to their situation.

Who do you think gives them support? Who do you think fosters a society where Iran not only can, but should be condemned? And why do they turn to foreign media, (you know, the media of the enemies), in order to spread their reports? Because they know that the only people prepared to help condemn the 'regime' are those who advocate for a regime change. 

[notme]

26 minutes ago, -Rejector- said:

Wouldn't be surprised. These people are crazy.

Absurd terminology "these people " notwithstanding, I agree with this part.  It's insane the lengths the US government will go to sneakily attack countries that it fears.  

27 minutes ago, -Rejector- said:

It's yet to come out to the millions of people who believe that the US is so great and Russia, China, and Iran are so evil. I'm waiting for that. I'm also waiting for people to condemn Britain for their countless crimes in Africa, India, America, and Australia. I'm also waiting for people to use their logic and acknowledge the nazis in Ukraine. I'm also waiting for people to accept the Wilayah of Mohammad and Aali Mohammad (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

I don't know anyone under 50 years old who thinks like this.  Everyone my age and especially everyone younger recognizes the atrocities of powerful governments.  We have a lot more access to information now and it's much more difficult to fool people, and that's what's good about free speech. 

 

[Borntowitnesstruth]

2 hours ago, EiE said:

As ayatullahs are infallible, how can you be certain that what they say is contrary to Islam and not what another ayatullah, such as your own, says?

It is obviously apparent that the Ayotullah who promotes gambling is doing anti-islamic work. You do not need rocket science to see that.

[VoidVortex]

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We have a lot more access to information now and it's much more difficult to fool people, and that's what's good about free speech. 

I completely disagree, I think many people in the west have been fooled and are parroting the media. Their voices rise when the media's voice rises, and they stay quiet when the media stay quiet. Many people lack critical thinking skills, so even though we have more access to information, its useless because these people don't analyse it. They merely swallow the poison and then spew it out themselves on the internet. 

The Ukraine conflict was a very clear example of this, and of how people swallowed misinformation very easily as long as it fit their views.

[EiE]

7 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

I think you meant 'fallible'?

Yes, meant fallible.

 

6 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

It is obviously apparent that the Ayotullah who promotes gambling is doing anti-islamic work. You do not need rocket science to see that.

 

I found this info on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yousef_Saanei

• Any type of game or contest where the organizer/owner can collect all the participants money, and use it to enrich themselves is unlawful gambling.
• Playing with gambling tools, such as cards or backgammon, with the intent of gambling is unlawful

So I don't believe this was the issue.

And, if we're going to pick whatever doesn't sit well with us or with the general consensus, shall I bring up the thighing fatwa?

 

Havn't verified it nor am I an expert on these matters, but anyways, another member said this;

12 hours ago, The Alchemist said:

He allows playing with cards just for the purpose of amusement. He is very clear about gambling; he deems it illegal.

As regards eating meat slaughtered by non-Muslims, there are other scholars who allow eating such meat if it is slaughtered by a monotheist who followed requisites of Islamic prescribed way of slaughtering.

What else of his views are objectionable?

He seemed to be a reformist, and it is deplorable that reformists marjas are seen negatively by many. Take example of Ayatollah Fadlallah, Ayatollah Muhammad Hussain Najfi (also known as Ayatollah Dhaku).

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by EiE

[Borntowitnesstruth]

1 hour ago, EiE said:

I found this info on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yousef_Saanei

• Any type of game or contest where the organizer/owner can collect all the participants money, and use it to enrich themselves is unlawful gambling.
• Playing with gambling tools, such as cards or backgammon, with the intent of gambling is unlawful

So I don't believe this was the issue.

And, if we're going to pick whatever doesn't sit well with us or with the general consensus, shall I bring up the thighing fatwa?

Well, I think that a Muslim's duty should be to shun any fatwa which seems against Islamic teachings no matter if it is uttered by one of the Maraja you follow. But also if there is something which is said according to the teachings of Islam even by one's enemy, he should accept the word of Islam. I can disagree with any Maraja who I think have said contrary to Islam, because it is our duty to stay with Islamic principles that's what makes us Muslim. That being said, I may have disagreement with Ayotullah Khomeini regarding certain fatwa but his concept of Wilayatul Faqih is in accordance with the teachings of Islam.

[علوي]

9 hours ago, notme said:

I don't know anyone under 50 years old who thinks like this.  Everyone my age and especially everyone younger recognizes the atrocities of powerful governments.  We have a lot more access to information now and it's much more difficult to fool people, and that's what's good about free speech.

Huh. Weird.

The (young) people that I know are all pro-Ukraine. Every single one. The mainstream media is really doing their job well. Yes, there are a few people who know about the West's atrocities, but it's a minority, and even those people are still anti-Russia, anti-China, anti-Iran, etc. The vast majority of people I know are victim to the West's lies and propaganda. 

I guess we just know different people.

[notme]

3 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

I guess we just know different people.

I'm seeing that my circle is a bit different from most.... 

I hang with commies and teachers.  

[Hameedeh]

On 10/4/2022 at 2:59 AM, EiE said:

Did you forget to mention that there are rumours that several of them receive pay checks from western governments, some of which include Ayatullah Sayyid Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic Revolution.

If you knew the simple and austere life of Ayatullah Khomeini RA, you would not spread such a false rumor.