Mahsa Amini, 22-year old Iranian, dies after morality police arrest

[GreenTree]

Just now, Ashvazdanghe said:

I don't support morality police but on the other hand your baseless accusation against iran is just based on propaganda of Whabists & Bahais & MKO terroristsWahabists against Iran .

Anyone who speaks against oppressor is not a wahabi or MKO member. You are clearly wrong about that. 

[Dubilex]

Sadly the iranian people are between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, the iranian regime is incredibly corrupt and brutal. The iranian regime does all kinds of haram sins themselves. There are even daughters of mullahs and ayatollahs living abroad who goes to the beach in bikinis and short skirts, while women inside of Iran are oppressed. Instead of spending money on the country itself, the iranian regime pays the living expenses of Hamas leaders living in luxury hotels in Qatar. The iranian regime has also sold out their own country to China.

That being said, it's also pretty obvious that the US and the zionist mafia are standing at the ready to swoop in and hijack the revolution. If the mullah regime gets overthrown, it's not gonna be replaced with a democratic government and system. In the worst case scenario, Iran might very well become another Syria. If not, Iran will be ruled by a puppet regime that is completely beholden to the US and Israel, much like Ukraine.

These protests are not over mere hijab though. For decades, the iranian regime has impoverished the people, starved people. Kids are forced to eat out of garbage bins. All while the iranian regime sends billions of bloodstained dollars to Hamas and Hezbollah. It's really unfortunate that the mullahs have done all of this in the name of Islam. I completely agree with fighting against zionism. But fighting against zionism by oppressing and exploiting ones own people, then you're no better than the zionists that you claim to oppose.

There isn't a simple answer to this problem. It's not black and white. All we can do is to send our prayers to the iranian people. Let's just hope they don't let their movement get hijacked by the US and Israel and lets hope the iranian people are wise enough not to let their country become another Syria or a puppet regime like Ukraine

 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Dubilex

[Ashvazdanghe]

2 minutes ago, Diaz said:

I’m so sorry brother, but I’m not going to believe someone like this without any proof or evidence.  What do you mean by “everything bad about their child”? Having a tumors is not something to be ashamed off. 

In tragic events likewise this parents of children call their children as infallible children without any physical defect also some cultures are hiding any underlying disease in children in hope of finding a spouse for them so then  their children  won't lose chance of marriage. due to underlying disease.

[GreenTree]

2 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

In tragic events likewise this parents of children call their children as infallible children without any physical defect also some cultures are hiding any underlying disease in children in hope of finding a spouse for them so then  their children  won't lose chance of marriage. due to underlying disease.

I guess Micheal Myers lives there, too. Is this the script for the new movie? 

[Diaz]

5 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

In tragic events likewise this parents of children call their children as infallible children without any physical defect also some cultures are hiding any underlying disease in children in hope of finding a spouse for them so then  their children  won't lose chance of marriage. due to underlying disease.

Tbh I don’t know what to say when I saw this, I’m speechless.

[GreenTree]

1 hour ago, Ibn al-Ibhrahim said:

Honestly don't understand why this needs to be an international affair; no country is free of crimes especially of this nature, I don't understand why this has been blown into a global moment of injustice. People are quick to criticize Islamic leaders and their practice of the faith whenever something occurs in Iran but in secular nations its always the individual who's held responsible; ironic isn't it? That being said, it is of course wrong to kill someone over not wearing hijab, we cannot display such a rigid application of the faith especially if doing so comes at the expense of violating additional aspects of the faith.

Apparently CCTV footage was released and Mahsa was not beaten by any guards however, as shared above, there seem to be legitimate reasons to doubt this claim, perhaps a guard or two went on a power trip and conducted themselves in such a way that was not made permissible to them. Ultimately, the truth is with God; He is the all-knowing and all-wise who will handle all affairs with justice and mercy.

Either way, it would be wise if we refrain from making vague and shallow claims that are false both theologically and historically (in application). 

Lastly, I would not so arrogantly direct personal criticism towards Ayatollah Khamenei; we do not know what role, if any, he played in this specific event and how it unfolded. 

What is theologically and historically so wrong? Shia Islam never supports the oppressor. I never said shia people don't oppress others as it is happening right now. But Shia Islam from its foundation is with al Mazloom. There is nothing theologically or historically wrong about this. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by GreenTree

[Ashvazdanghe]

17 minutes ago, GreenTree said:

Every country can be the mix of many things, why is it so hard to accept that there is morality police in iran? Morality police that punishes people for not wearing hejab properly. 

Not everything is connected to Israel. 

All of your acusations against Iran directly comes from Israel.

19 minutes ago, GreenTree said:

And I suppose morality police had been there to give her a free ice cream ? Like they have been doing for the last many years, just killing innocent people, torturing people, forcing people to abide by their rules, their specified way of life! 

This is just another baseless accusation which until now you have just repeated your accusations without any evidence.

16 minutes ago, GreenTree said:

Anyone who speaks against oppressor is not a wahabi or MKO member. You are clearly wrong about that. 

I have not said that you are member of them anyway you blatantly just has repeated their baseless accusation

[khizarr]

53 minutes ago, GreenTree said:

Not everything is connected to Israel. 

And this is where they have us trapped.

 

For decades upon decades, the tyrants of this region have been quietly living under the shadow of this phony slogan of Palestine and anti-Israelism. Sometimes they'll roar about it when they need to assume power and deceive people, but most other times they'll never speak a word, let alone do anything about this never-ending conflict. And as a result of this "sacred" Palestinian cause, the Arab and the Iranian people have suffered from lack of economic and political development. Politicians have made Palestine the ultimate pretext for their crimes and/or shortcomings - always falling back on to it as they progress in their careers. Saddam was a great example of the "I am the holy grail the Palestinian Arabs need, except some of these Iraqi Arabs here at home.. screw them. They can live in dirt. I'll imprison and kill them as I wish." Yet despite how things unfolded in Iraq, he was highly revered for his "brave" stance. Terrorists have used the same fraudulent banner. You see, the Palestinian banner is such a large and powerful one, it gives plenty of space to criminals and thieves to gather underneath it and claim that they are all in for liberating Palestine, because nothing else apparently matters as long as you can show some petty fists to Israel from time to time. And yes, I am talking about the Iranian government. It's sort of what a lot of the Pakistani leadership has done in the case of Kashmir. No qualities, no achievements, just frivolous slogans.

Edited September 21, 2022 by khizarr

[Ashvazdanghe]

For lovers of America like wise @khizarr & @kadhim

 

[علوي]

16 hours ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

I don't understand why anyone would doubt this happening. This truly is not the first time such a crime has occurred nor will it be the last...Irani regime has been abusing women of not wearing the headscarves for years...The evidence is already there...

Evidence? You mean the hearsay that is being presented by Western propaganda sources? Hmm. Best evidence I've ever seen 

17 hours ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

Allah yirhamha... and may Allah give patience to her family. Truly heart breaking.

But yes, may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) have mercy on her soul. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

20 minutes ago, Dubilex said:

That being said, it's also pretty obvious that the US and the zionist mafia are standing at the ready to swoop in and hijack the revolution. If the mullah regime gets overthrown, it's not gonna be replaced with a democratic government and system. In the worst case scenario, Iran might very well become another Syria. If not, Iran will be ruled by a puppet regime that is completely beholden to the US and Israel, much like Ukraine.

Salam this is the only rational & true statement by you but on the other hand rest of your post just repeating propaganda of Israel & Wahabists  against Iran.

[GreenTree]

1 minute ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

For lovers of America like wise @khizarr & @kadhim

 

We are not here for a comparative class. Just this undeniable fact that over hejab, nobdoy should be killed. There shouldn't be morality police, dragging girls or boys, arresting them. You don't need a Phd in law to see this. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

3 minutes ago, GreenTree said:

We are not here for a comparative class.

I have not mentioned you anyway criticizing injustice in America hurts you while it kills  daily any innocents whether with Hijab or without it but on the other hand you just has criticized Iran due to a rare tragic just based on American -Zionist propaganda .

[GreenTree]

5 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

I have not mentioned you anyway criticizing injustice in America hurts you while it kills  daily any innocents whether with Hijab or without it but on the other hand you just has criticized Iran due to a rare tragic just based on American -Zionist propaganda .

No, criticizing injustice in America doesn't hurt me. But diverting this post from hejab injustice in Iran, to injustice in America - for sure hurts me. If you have time, look on my page. i have a video from Chomsky. I am against all injustice in our world. Please start a new topic in this forum.  

Edited September 21, 2022 by GreenTree

[Ashvazdanghe]

24 minutes ago, GreenTree said:

Just this undeniable fact that over hejab, nobdoy should be killed.

She has not arrested for not wearing Hijab but on the other hand she has arrested for wearing inappropriate pants  which American-zionist-wahabi propaganda just based on not wearing hijab by her

 

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Neuroradiology specialists of the Board of Radiology announced about the "CT scan" images published of the late Mahsa Amini: the possibility of cerebral hemorrhage is ruled out.
CT scan of Mahsa Amini - claim of Iran International

According to Hamshahri Online, the board of radiology announced about the "CT scan" images published of the late Mahsa Amini that no evidence of cerebral hemorrhage is visible in these images.

The statement of the Board of Radiology states: "After examining the CT scan images of the late Mahsa Amini's brain, the Neuroradiology experts of the Board announce that in the CT scan, which was filmed on a monitor, bleeding in the brain parenchyma, epidural and subdural bleeding is not seen. .

According to this statement, the supplementary theory will be sent after viewing the original visual information.

https://www.hamshahrionline.ir/news/707438/احتمال-خون-ریزی-مغزی-مهسا-امینی-تایید-شد-جدیدترین-واکنش-به

[علوي]

13 hours ago, GreenTree said:

A very sad incident, like many other incidents coming out of Iran. The so called leader can only wish he could learn from Aya. Sistani. Killing innocent people is not islam. 

First of all, like @Abu Hadi said, the police officer randomly getting angry at a women not wearing proper hijab is an unlikely cause for Mahsa Amini's death. 

Secondly, Imam Khamenei (ha) had a representative give condolences to Ms Amini's family. The Leader obviously regrets what took place.

11 hours ago, GreenTree said:

WHAT KIND OF ISLAM IS THIS? This is not CNN, or BBC. This is coming straight from Iran. Please admit your ignorance. It will only lower your ego. 
Even if you deny this, I can ask my relatives to record videos from all over Iran, and send it to me in an hour to make this case more firm, more real, more absolute!!!

What do you expect the police to do? Just sit and wait while protestors curse the Leader? Just because the West defines a 'peaceful protest' as a protest without arms, doesn't mean it's true. Furthermore, the West has a history of interfering in other countries' protests and escalating the tensions between the government and the people. That girl who was shot in the head was most likely shot by an American. The benefit to the US of shooting her far outweigh the benefits that the Iranian police get. What would the police get out of shooting a little girl? Use your logic, for the love of God.

9 hours ago, VoidVortex said:

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but a marja does not kill innocents and not every single thing that happens in Iran can be attributed to Sayed Khamenei. 

Iran's policy is not to kill innocents. Iran also can do things that are wrong, I am not saying it can't. Accusing sayed Khamenei as if he is responsible for this isn't reasonable.

Finally, someone who doesn't hate Imam Khamenei.

4 hours ago, khizarr said:

a young lady who was evidently beaten to death

according to western media outlets**

Just a little correction there, couldn't help myself.

4 hours ago, khizarr said:

You've let him off the hook far too easily. And it happens all the time. It's as if Khamenei must himself kill a person or hire a hitman for the blame to ever fall on his shoulders.

We're talking about a woman not wearing a proper hijab, here. What good would Imam Khamenei (ha) get out of her death? Surely he would focus on killing more important people, who stir up trouble? Like Sadiq Shirazi? If the Leader did just want to kill everyone, surely the Shirazis would be on the top of the list?

Furthermore, why stop at just one woman? After Mahsa Amini's death, thousands of woman ditched their hijab and took to the streets. Why not kill these women too, if the Leader was so evil as you have him seem? 

Not everyone is as the Great Satan has us think. 

3 hours ago, GreenTree said:

May they all go to hell.

Ameen. But Imam Khamenei (ha) isn't one of them. I've already said before:

1 hour ago, -Rejector- said:

Anyway, even if the police killed Mahsa Amini, it won't stop my love for Imam Khamenei (ha). Why? Because the good of the Islamic Revolution far outweighs the bad. Even if there are some mistakes here and there - some things not all maraj'e agree with - doesn't take much away from the Revolution. Yes, the 'Guidance Police' do need major reform, perhaps it should even be abolished, but the Islamic Revolution should continue until the reappearance of Imam al-Muntazar, (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) inshallah.

 

2 hours ago, Ibn al-Ibhrahim said:

Honestly don't understand why this needs to be an international affair; no country is free of crimes especially of this nature, I don't understand why this has been blown into a global moment of injustice. People are quick to criticize Islamic leaders and their practice of the faith whenever something occurs in Iran but in secular nations its always the individual who's held responsible; ironic isn't it? That being said, it is of course wrong to kill someone over not wearing hijab, we cannot display such a rigid application of the faith especially if doing so comes at the expense of violating additional aspects of the faith.

The Iranian foreign minister actually mentioned this. Look at this extract from Press TV:

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Kan'ani advised the US and its allies against "opportunism and instrumentalization of the issue of human rights" by misusing the incident.

He reminded that the countries, which, themselves, towed a "long history of warmongering and violence" throughout the world, lacked the legitimacy that could authorize them to "moralize others" concerning the human rights.

He said the United States, with its defeated policy of "maximum pressure" and economic terrorism, was, itself, the "biggest violator" of the Iranian nation's rights, adding, Washington, therefore, cannot masquerade as a sympathizer and supporter of the Iranian people by assuming dishonest stances and facing the Islamic Republic with unproven claims.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/09/21/689567/Iran-Foreign-Ministry-death-young-woman

 

1 hour ago, GreenTree said:

Anyone who speaks against oppressor is not a wahabi or MKO member.

Perhaps not, but if you straight away believe everything mentioned by the Western news outlets, then maybe Wahhabi and MKO propaganda and lies are affecting you.

1 hour ago, Dubilex said:

the iranian regime is incredibly corrupt and brutal. The iranian regime does all kinds of haram sins themselves. There are even daughters of mullahs and ayatollahs living abroad who goes to the beach in bikinis and short skirts, while women inside of Iran are oppressed.

Just because some clerics are hypocritical, doesn't mean they all are. Don't paint them all with the same brush, not all of them are the same. 

1 hour ago, Dubilex said:

For decades, the iranian regime has impoverished the people, starved people. Kids are forced to eat out of garbage bins. All while the iranian regime sends billions of bloodstained dollars to Hamas and Hezbollah.

It's not the Iranian government impoverishing the people, it's the West. It's the West who suffocated Iran with illegal sanctions and applied 'maximum pressure' to Iranians. This is why Iran turned to China for trade and partnership. 

13 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

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Neuroradiology specialists of the Board of Radiology announced about the "CT scan" images published of the late Mahsa Amini: the possibility of cerebral hemorrhage is ruled out.
CT scan of Mahsa Amini - claim of Iran International

According to Hamshahri Online, the board of radiology announced about the "CT scan" images published of the late Mahsa Amini that no evidence of cerebral hemorrhage is visible in these images.

The statement of the Board of Radiology states: "After examining the CT scan images of the late Mahsa Amini's brain, the Neuroradiology experts of the Board announce that in the CT scan, which was filmed on a monitor, bleeding in the brain parenchyma, epidural and subdural bleeding is not seen. .

According to this statement, the supplementary theory will be sent after viewing the original visual information.

https://www.hamshahrionline.ir/news/707438/احتمال-خون-ریزی-مغزی-مهسا-امینی-تایید-شد-جدیدترین-واکنش-به

So there's no evidence of hemorrhage...I wonder why. Maybe because she wasn't beaten.

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that the West has a history of making baseless claims against Iran and then retracting those claims when they are proven wrong. 

I wouldn't be surprised if this entire incident was concocted by the West. Notice how Iran looks like the devil now. The Great Satan grins at his success. He looks like an angel while Iran looks like the devil. The irony. 

And by the way, why would President Raeisi order an investigation if the 'Iranian regime' was so 'corrupt' and 'evil'? Surely he would just order the police to crush the protestors, right? Wrong. Because Iranian officials aren't evil demons, even if the West depicts them that way.

Allahu a3lam

[Eddie Mecca]

11 hours ago, GreenTree said:

Why not move to Iran?

Someone was jotting down notes during Ammar Nakshawani's lecture I see...one of his talking points

1 hour ago, GreenTree said:

Morality police that punishes people for not wearing hejab properly. 

To use your own argument...If someone doesn't like the 'strict' policies of Iran, they can perform a secular hijrah to neighboring Azerbaijan where the laws are more laxed...Let's not kid ourselves...Every country has 'Morality Police' to one degree or another...If a dude walks down the street completely (or even partially) naked and the local fuzz arrives on the scene...Now let's image the same person puts up major resistance against the Dearborn or Detroit officer attempting to apprehend him...what do you think will happen?...Free cupcakes??…All the combustible ingredients will be present for something tragic to happen...police overreaction can happen anywhere. anytime and over what many people may consider to be a trivial or minuscule event (e.g. jaywalking, indecent exposure etc.)…Eric Garner was choked to death by police for selling loose cigarettes. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Eddie Mecca

[Ashvazdanghe]

The untold story of Mahsa Amini | Mahsa's brother said that she hasfainted 3 times in this way | Mahsa's companions and the reason for being in Tehran | Opinion of 3 girls who have been present in Ershad's van

Incomplete and sometimes fake or contradictory narratives about Mahsa Amini's death have affected public opinion. In order to clarify the truth, Fars reporter has followed up the issue from various sources to get to the details and how this incident happened.

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Mahsa Amini's companions have  corrected their hijab after being warned by the police, but according to the police's criteria, the type of clothing Mahsa Amini  (support pants and a open front coat), unlike her cousins, could not be corrected on the spot, and she must have been taken to the police headquarters to use appropriate clothes  and after taking the commitment and training the rules to be released. The police say that they will not transfer people whose clothing can be corrected on the spot with a notice to the police headquarters, and they can continue their journey there after following the norms.

Fars reporter's investigation shows that he entered the police van without any resistance or argument. This police car sends Mahsa Amini and 5 other women to the police headquarters. 3 of these people who agreed to talk about this matter say that Mahsa cooperated with the police without any problems and was not in an anxious state even in the van, and of course she announced several times that she came from another city and was not from Tehran.

At around 7:00 PM, people arrived at the police headquarters and attended the training class in the hall. About half an hour later, as it is clear in the published CCTV footage, Mahsa Amini passes out after talking to the police officer. Initial attempts to revive her are made at the police headquarters, but due to the deterioration of her condition, 12 minutes later, she has transferred to Kasra Hospital by emergency. Unfortunately, the efforts at the hospital were not fruitful and finally Mahsa died on Friday.

 

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Since spreading the news of Mahsa Amini's coma, anti-revolutionary media and some unrelated people immediately accused the police of beating and torturing her. However, according to the Fars reporter's investigation and based on the published pictures and the testimony of other attendees, there was no encounter with her or the other detainees.

On the other hand, the review of her brain CT scan and other medical records by expert doctors shows that Mahsa Amini definitely had brain surgery and had her pituitary gland operated on as a child (age 5). His brother also stated during the examination that Mahsa fainted many times (at least 3 times) in this way before, but after her death, and in accordance with her uncle's claims, he denied his previous statements.

His father, contrary to all the medical evidence and probably because of the suffering of this tragic incident, does not mention this issue in his interviews, including the interview with Fars news agency, and repeated Mahsa's uncle's claims. Even despite the publication of many pictures of Mahsa's condition in the hospital, he claims that his body was completely covered so that the marks of the injury could not be seen. While, according to the treating doctors, numerous investigations deny any physical contact with her.

Some doctors say that with the available information, the stress caused by Mahsa is caused by the lack of secretion of the pituitary gland. Of course, full investigations with different samplings have been done by forensic medicine, and probably in about 3 weeks, the exact cause of this matter will be known.

https://www.hamshahrionline.ir/news/707305/ناگفته-های-ماجرای-مهسا-امینی-برادر-مهسا-گفته-بود-۳-بار-به-این

https://www.farsnews.ir/news/14010629000523/جزئیاتی-از-ماجرای-مهسا-امینی-روایتی-از-لحظه-مواجهه-با-گشت-ارشاد-تا

The audio file of the conversation between Mahsa Amini and the female patrol officer

What happened when Mahsa Amini was arrested at the Irshad patrol headquarters and the police van, and what happened between her and the Irshad patrol officer?

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What happened when Mahsa Amini was arrested at the Irshad patrol headquarters and the police van, and what happened between him and the Irshad patrol officer? The commander of the Tehran police has the following story: On Tuesday last week, this woman along with three other women and two men were strolling in Taleghani Park, my colleagues warned the other three women, they complied, but this woman did not comply.

My colleagues led this lady to the police headquarters and told her family to bring appropriate clothes and after holding the training class, we will provide her to our family.

These people, including Mrs. Amini, came to the class, so that the teacher would come to the class and the steps and preparations for holding this class would be done, Mrs. Amini stood up and asked my colleague what is wrong with my situation? My colleague also informed her that there is something wrong with the condition of your clothes and pants, and after this, Mahsa's condition is disturbed.

 

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After this incident, the medical team stationed at the place came to her bedside and started the resuscitation measures.

Our duty to save the life of a person who was present at the police headquarters was done quickly and in the shortest possible time.

After Mahsa was referred to Kasra Hospital, we brought the best doctors to her bedside and announced that all necessary measures will be done at the expense of the police.

After Mahsa's death, the country's police commander at Shalamcheh border ordered to me that this girl is my child and do whatever is necessary.

But what happened in Kasara hospital?

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But what happened in Kasara hospital?

The Doubtful Waves program of  Radio Goftego"امواج شبهه رادیو گفتگو", which deals with the behavior of foreign media in various topics, in the 124th episode of this program, with the presence of Alireza Davodi, senior expert in media and cognitive sciences, and Dr. Morteza Mohammadian, an expert in political and media issues, with a look at the old tricks and unveiling Among the new methods of foreign media in this crisis-making, he addressed the issue of foreign media's surfing to create a crisis in Iran, emphasizing the 72-hour media measures on the issue of the late Mahsa Amini.

In a part of this program, Mohammadian read a part of Amini's medical case which was done by Kasra hospital personnel.

Mohammadian says: In the examination, it was found that the head, face and neck were free of injuries and there were no fractures in the skull and face.

Mahsa Amini has a history of brain tumor and has been operated on at the age of 5, and there are surgical scars on the right side of her forehead. She had a history of diabetes and taking several medications.

What Mohammadian mentioned in this program can be heard in the audio file below

This is while the Kasra Hospital has written in a statement about Mahsa Amini's death that it published on its Instagram account, that due to respect for the patient's rights, it does not have the right to release information except to the first-class family and judicial authorities.

In this announcement, it is stated that Mahsa Amini was referred to Kasra Hospital at 20:22 on Tuesday, 22 Shahrivar "without vital signs and in a state of brain death", and despite cardiac resuscitation, she suffered a cardiac arrest again on Friday and died.

Kasra Hospital wrote that Mahsa Amini's body was taken to the forensics for further investigation.

Hours later, Kasra Hospital deleted the short statement it had published on its Instagram page about Mahsa Amini's condition when she was referred to this hospital. The reason for this is not clear.

https://www.arshehonline.com/بخش-جامعه-118/42490-فایل-صوتی-مکالمه-مهسا-امینی-مامور-زن-گشت-ارشاد

(contains embeded audio & videos about Mahsa Amini)

[Ashvazdanghe]

See|Disclosure of a neurosurgeon about Mahsa Amini's health

Neurosurgeon Shirvani announced in an interview with Khabar 20:30 that Mahsa Amini has been operated on due to a brain tumor at the age of 8.

(in further details in embedded video he has said that after surgery she has been receiving hormones for treating her which due to affection by too much stress during detention could be caused negative impact of received hormones on her which leads to her death)

https://www.hamshahrionline.ir/news/707380/ببینید-افشاگری-یک-جراح-مغز-و-اعصاب-درباره-سلامتی-مهسا-امینی

See | the moment of the attack on a veiled woman in the protest of yesterday

https://www.hamshahrionline.ir/news/707454/ببینید-لحظه-حمله-به-یک-زن-محجبه-در-اعتراض-روز-گذشته

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Statement of the Supreme Council of Cultural Revolution about Mahsa Amini | The alarm sounded | Hijab is divine law |

resolutions have a control aspect of up to 10%

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The Secretariat of the Supreme Council of Cultural Revolution issued a statement in response to the death of Mrs. Mahsa Amini and the reactions, analyzes and events after that.

 

According to Hamshahri Online, the Secretariat of the Supreme Council of Cultural Revolution issued a statement in response to the death of Mrs. Mehsa Amini and the reactions, analyzes and events after that.

 

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The text of the statement is as follows:

In the name of Allah

The Secretariat of the Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution while expressing its sympathy to the family of Mahsa Amini and having a paternal and maternal feeling for the loss of their child, prays to the Almighty Allah for eternal peace for the deceased and patience for the survivors. Since this incident hurt the feelings of many honorable people of Iran, it is necessary for the responsible institutions, based on the explicit order of the honorable heads of the country's three forces, to make the results known to the people and public opinion, while carefully and comprehensively investigating the issue. In case of negligence or possible fault, the violators should be dealt with accordingly. In this case, it is necessary to mention several points:

 

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1. The Iranian society, which sincerely mourns the young girl whom it considers as its daughter and expresses its feelings about it, is a revolutionary and Islamic society. superficial judgments should not be made about Iranian society; The foundation of Iranian society is value, religious, family-oriented and knowledge-oriented. All noble people of Iran pay basic attention to the health of the family, all families are concerned about the religious and social health of their children, and they are worried about social deviations. The appearance of divine sources in the great ceremony of Arbaeen Hosseini (عليه السلام) and other large social gatherings all show people's desire for religious and valuable components. Fake polarization in this story and trying to show society members against each other is an old conspiracy by the enemies, which shows that they do not know the people of Iran and the Iranian society.

 

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2. When the correct tasks are not performed, the consequences and engineered actions of the enemy become visible and we become aware of what unfortunate actions have taken place in the social environment. From the set of resolutions that have been approved by the Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution, less than 10% have a control aspect, 90% of the resolutions are related to education, culture, strengthening knowledge, raising awareness and promoting healthy life patterns among the young generation. From the set of resolutions, most of the tasks are assigned to radio and television, education and other cultural institutions. The story of Mrs. Mahsa Amini is a warning bell for all the responsible institutions to carry out mainly cultural and knowledge-raising tasks, so that we do not embarrass Iranian people and families in the future.

 

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3. Hijab is a divine law that does not arise due to the events of these days. On the other hand, the hijab is the origin of personal and social immunity and health and distance from social deviations and prevents women's rights from being violated in the society. , legal exposure takes place. The central point of view is to strengthen hijab and compassionate management to protect the young generation of the country, especially the girls of this Islamic and divine land; In fact, all of us should feel our duty towards the dear children of this country like a parent and take action to raise awareness, increasing knowledge and pay attention to social risks. The main source of individual and social behavior is knowledge and motivation, and until this self-motivation is formed, social actions do not have meaning and sustainability. In this, the role of families is an incomparable role and a lofty position for internalizing values.

 

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4. Individuals, intellectuals, political and cultural figures, cultural trends and political parties who have their hearts in this revolution and its ideals should look at the scene of developments with insight and not throw water into the enemy's mill with emotional and unreasonable positions. The enemies of the Iranian society and the Islamic revolution constantly follow the path of de-religious, de-normative and break the divine values of the family and through satellite networks as well as using the platform of cyberspace to promote the culture of doubt, anxiety and move towards hedonism, moral tolerance and promote Ethical relativism and degradation of morals act on the personal and individual matter, and the result of this type of life pattern is, first of all, jeopardizing a healthy and virtuous life, and secondly, falling on the path of degradation of the quality of a peaceful life based on stable rules and norms. The enemy of his work is hostility and destruction, and one should not be deceived by it and agree with him.

 

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5. Enemies of the Islamic Revolution, child-killing Zionists, old colonialists, hypocrites who martyred 17,000 oppressed and great people and have always been the mediators of sanctions and harming the interests of the Iranian nation, today they claim to support the Iranian girl, whose language is full of lies and They show hypocrisy. Of course, these adventures will be another shame for them and when the dust settles, another shame will cover them. These people who are immersed in corruption and the call for the decay and collapse of their societies is heard every day louder than in the past, they cannot help the oppressed people with gestures of support and reformation. وَإِذَا قِیلَ لَهُمْ لَا تُفْسِدُوا فِی الْأَرْضِ قَالُوا إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُونَ (بقره -۱۱).

When they are told, ‘Do not cause corruption on the earth,’ they say, ‘We are only reformers!’ (11)

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/2:11

 

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6. Today, more than any other day in history, we need empathy, unity, and solidarity to strengthen our beloved Iran. It is not possible to build a great civilization without the synergy of intellectuals and elites and without the cooperation of people. The enemies of Great Iran seek to weaken the great civilization of Islamic Iran, and they consider anxiety and despair to be the main cause of this. It is necessary for all of us to have trust in Allah and to advise the truth and be patient and hopeful for Allah's infinite grace.

Secretariat of the Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution

 

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[Eddie Mecca]

1 hour ago, khizarr said:

And this is where they have us trapped.

You're regurgitating Shirazi and Hasbara polemics...you call yourself a leftist...alright, fine...then listen to what a growing number of independent leftist intellectuals (e.g. Norman Finkelstein, Richard Medhurst, George Galloway etc. ) are saying about Tehran...stop taking isolated instances and blowing them out of proportion in order to boost an agenda...KEEP (clap) YOUR (clap) EYES (clap) ON (clap) THE (clap) BIG (clap) PICTURE (clap)…yeah, when you cease being an lounge chair critic and actually animate yourself and try to change things...occasionally something unfortunate will happen...especially when operating in real-time...we have strip clubs, bars, liquor stores and other forms of degeneracy in 190 countries in the world...I think it's okay if 3, 4 or 5 countries refuse to allow it.

[Laayla]

23 hours ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

Okay Irani supremacist. This is such a contradictory statement, and makes no sense whatsoever. 

Then keep your day job in writing romance novels and live in your fantasy of 50 Shades of Gray.  Your to busy reading and writing love stories and can't tell the difference from real and fake news.  

God bless the souls of Shaheed Mohammad Baqir as Sadr, his sister Bintul Huda, Abu Mahdi al Mohandas and his companions. They fought for Islam, they were in the frontlines against the tyrants, fought tooth and nail, and all reached martyrdom because of fighting against imperialism, speaking truth, and giving their blood for deen al haq. 

Do yourself a favor and go read about their lives, how they served the Islamic ummah, and stood firm against Saddam Hussain and Western imperialism.

Ask your parents about their experience in Iraq, who was Saddam, sit with them and have a conversation with them.

You are a cultured American, slow down on the Kool-Aid, because it is difficult to break lose from a slave mind.

Allah yahdech, put aside any biases you may have for once, think independently, and look at the facts and see the whole picture.  

Bism Allah 

[Labyika ya Khamenei]

On 5/29/2014 at 12:34 AM, Ibn al-Hussain said:

(salam)

In their penal code, the punishment for Hijab is written out specifically under the section of Punishments NOT Specified in Shari’a and Deterrent Punishments.

 

Source 1 & Source 2

 

I think it being listed under the category mentioned shows that 1) there isn't any specified punishment in Islam for someone who doesn't observe hijab and 2) not wearing hijab is being defined as an act that is going against the moral values of the society, since it is an open sin. Thus the punishment is meant to be a deterrent.

 

From my brief readings on this subject, Imam Khomeini (qas) gave a lecture in early March of 1979 at Madrassah Faiziyyah about women still appearing in offices without hijab and spoke of the necessity of wearing it. The very next day the government announced that it agreed with the statements of Imam Khomeini and it was casually encouraged in offices and other institutions. By 1980, it was deemed mandatory to wear it in governmental and public offices and by 1983 after an amendment was made to the constitution, it was made compulsory for all women including non-Muslims and tourists, and the punishment for not wearing it in public was also added. The protests, sit-ins by those opposing the law, and the violence that took place during those years are well-known and documented. It appears that the punishment for not obeying this law, was well debated and discussed before being implemented.

 

I've heard from a few individuals that Shaheed Mutahhari was against the hijab being forced, however I have read contradictory material. Here is a quote from Muhammad Reza Hakimi, sharing a story about himself where he says Shaheed Mutahhari was against it being forced (let me know if a translation is required):

 

 

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But on the contrary there is material available that says the opposite:

 

 

Source: An interview with Ali Mutahhari

 

If I were to reconcile the two stories above, it seems that at one point he was against it being forced, but later changed his mind.

 

But in any case, there were others who were against it being forced, such as the Ayatullah Taleqani and Ayatullah Montazeri, I don't know of their reasoning, although I am not sure why any Muslim would allow public sinning to take place. I don't think the rule is based primarily on society's preference. If a society prefers publicly sinning, I don't see why any Islamic Republic trying to uphold Islamic values would listen to the false preferences of a society. Also let us keep in mind that the majority did vote for an Islamic Republic during the referendum of 1979 (which seems to have taken place after Imam Khomeini's speech) and so the society should have expected this law to be a part and parcel of it sooner or later.

 

As far as the punishments, fines and warnings are concerned, to me it is pretty clear that they are not strictly enforced in the country. Have no clue about your question #5.

 

Wassalam

 

[Abu Hadi]

4 hours ago, GreenTree said:

We are not here for a comparative class. Just this undeniable fact that over hejab, nobdoy should be killed. There shouldn't be morality police, dragging girls or boys, arresting them. You don't need a Phd in law to see this. 

I agree with you on this point. Also, I spent the weekend talking to some Iranian brothers and sister who live in this area, as well as some other brothers who spent years living in Iran. I needed to ask them some questions about this case, as yes I had questions, and yes I (and other sincere brothers and sisters who are here) take this seriously as there was a death and blood cannot be washed away by words. 

None of these people live in Iran any longer, in fact they live in the US. So they are not 'scared' of being beaten or harassed by the morality police. All of them said the same thing. This is pure Western propaganda, and another attempt by the West to stir up trouble in Iran. Yes, something happened to this lady which is unfortunate and sad, but to automatically, in a knee jerk reaction tie this to the government without any evidence shown is surprising to me. To take the Western Propaganda machine 'At it's word with no evidence' , given it's past track record in Iran is surprising to me. It's especially surprising for those who call themselves 'Shia Muslims' and followers of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)) to do this. There is only one government on earth that is trying to put into practice the teaching of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)), on a National Level, and that is Iran. Noone ever said this effort was without any mistakes, but the mistakes have been minimal and the successes have been many, as far a I can tell. So because of that, we have an obligation to support them. 

We should give them the benefit of the doubt and not give their enemies this benefit. 

I realize that there are sincere brothers and sisters in Iran, and outside Iran that want to put pressure on the govt to make needed reforms in some areas (and there are definitely areas in Iran which need to be improved). Taking the side of the Western Imperialists and helping them thru buying into their propaganda, and acting based on that is not the way to get what you want. You will alienate your friends (your brothers and sisters in Islam) and your enemies will drop you 'like a hot potato' as soon as they get what they want from you. There are better ways to go about this. We can have a discussion about that if you wish. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Abu Hadi

[3wliya_maryam]

18 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

There is only one government on earth that is trying to put into practice the teaching of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)), on a National Level, and that is Iran. Noone ever said this effort was without any mistakes, but the mistakes have been minimal and the successes have been many, as far a I can tell. So because of that, we have an obligation to support them

Really? Minimal mistakes? 

So enforcing the hijab onto every woman and other islamic teachings is considered a minimal mistake and success? It has caused nothing but fitna and further hatred spread on the religion of Islam and the true purpose of the hijab. And you call that minimal? And just because they're the only Shia based government in the world, we are OBLIGATED to support them?!! What the heck.
The Ahlulbayt(عليه السلام) never enforced their beliefs and practices onto people. I don't need to provide evidence, its basic common sense, and every single Imam (عليه السلام) never enforced Islam onto anyone and the Holy Quran itself states that there is no compulsion in religion

[3wliya_maryam]

3 hours ago, Laayla said:

Then keep your day job in writing romance novels and live in your fantasy of 50 Shades of Gray.  Your to busy reading and writing love stories and can't tell the difference from real and fake news

You're hilarious 

Edited September 21, 2022 by 3wliya_maryam

[Diaz]

11 minutes ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

Really? Minimal mistakes? 

So enforcing the hijab onto every woman and other islamic teachings is considered a minimal mistake and success? It has caused nothing but fitna and further hatred spread on the religion of Islam and the true purpose of the hijab. And you call that minimal? And just because they're the only Shia based government in the world, we are OBLIGATED to support them?!! What the heck.
The Ahlulbayt(عليه السلام) never enforced their beliefs and practices onto people. I don't need to provide evidence, its basic common sense, and every single Imam (عليه السلام) never enforced Islam onto anyone and the Holy Quran itself states that there is no compulsion in religion

 

 

Right? Plus it’s weird seeing people supporting Iran saying it’s the only country that follow ahlul bayt yet the same people prefer to live in a Zionist countries like Europe, USA, Australia/New Zealand etc. 

Edit:- what I’m trying to say is that people support a specific rules but they don’t want to act on it too. They believe sayid khamenei is the only one who is following the truth but at the same time they don’t want to follow him as a marja, they only agree with him when it’s come to politics. That’s really weird and till now I can’t understand it.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Diaz

[Laayla]

43 minutes ago, 3wliya_maryam said:

You're hilarious 

Oh God, we have another one bint al kuffa.

It's so obvious, I can spot you a mile away.

Here let me spoon feed it to you

Start at 6:26 

Jimmy Dore, a pot head comedian, explaining how Bush went to Iraq for oil.

Your anger is at Iran, and not the country who killed over a half million Iraqi children for oil.

 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Laayla
Video for bint al kuffa

[GreenTree]

5 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Someone was jotting down notes during Ammar Nakshawani's lecture I see...one of his talking points

To use your own argument...If someone doesn't like the 'strict' policies of Iran, they can perform a secular hijrah to neighboring Azerbaijan where the laws are more laxed...Let's not kid ourselves...Every country has 'Morality Police' to one degree or another...If a dude walks down the street completely (or even partially) naked and the local fuzz arrives on the scene...Now let's image the same person puts up major resistance against the Dearborn or Detroit officer attempting to apprehend him...what do you think will happen?...Free cupcakes??…All the combustible ingredients will be present for something tragic to happen...police overreaction can happen anywhere. anytime and over what many people may consider to be a trivial or minuscule event (e.g. jaywalking, indecent exposure etc.)…Eric Garner was choked to death by police for selling loose cigarettes. 

So let's stick with your example. If a dude is walking down naked, he must be beaten so much that he possible dies, after a few days. How logical?

If my native country decides to implement a crazy law to hurt my citizenry then I must move to another country, instead of defying such law system. How logical?

I tell you a very simple thing. No matter what laws some in power implement and force upon the citizens to bow down. At the end of the day, the birth citizen of a country cannot be abused. The land belongs to them by God's grace. No piece of paper, no law body, no head of a state can take away their inalienable rights. The land, the posterity of the land, all belongs to her people. 

 

[EiE]

There are a lot of supremacists on this thread.

Some of you supremacists, probably the majority, live in the western world and pay taxes to the taghut system, the so-called enemies of ahlul bayt, enemies of islam, while also believing that Iran represents and is the flag bearer of Shia Islam.
That's what I call hypocrisy.

 

[Abu Nur]

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So let's stick with your example. If a dude is walking down naked, he must be beaten so much that he possible dies, after a few days. How logical?

That is not his point either, because moral police have no authority to beat anyone. What he want to point out is that there will always be an subjective decision that goes against the rules of the book. You and most of you here actually have no good reason to blame any of the Iran regime, because all these wrong actions (read this very carefully in mind that we mean here Islamic laws that have been proven from Qur'an and Sunnah being violated, not western morality concept of what is right and wrong) are subjective decision that goes against the rules formed by the regime trough the Qur'an and Sunnah.

[GreenTree]

5 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

First of all, like @Abu Hadi said, the police officer randomly getting angry at a women not wearing proper hijab is an unlikely cause for Mahsa Amini's death. 

Secondly, Imam Khamenei (ha) had a representative give condolences to Ms Amini's family. The Leader obviously regrets what took place.

What do you expect the police to do? Just sit and wait while protestors curse the Leader? Just because the West defines a 'peaceful protest' as a protest without arms, doesn't mean it's true. Furthermore, the West has a history of interfering in other countries' protests and escalating the tensions between the government and the people. That girl who was shot in the head was most likely shot by an American. The benefit to the US of shooting her far outweigh the benefits that the Iranian police get. What would the police get out of shooting a little girl? Use your logic, for the love of God.

Finally, someone who doesn't hate Imam Khamenei.

according to western media outlets**

Just a little correction there, couldn't help myself.

We're talking about a woman not wearing a proper hijab, here. What good would Imam Khamenei (ha) get out of her death? Surely he would focus on killing more important people, who stir up trouble? Like Sadiq Shirazi? If the Leader did just want to kill everyone, surely the Shirazis would be on the top of the list?

Furthermore, why stop at just one woman? After Mahsa Amini's death, thousands of woman ditched their hijab and took to the streets. Why not kill these women too, if the Leader was so evil as you have him seem? 

Not everyone is as the Great Satan has us think. 

Ameen. But Imam Khamenei (ha) isn't one of them. I've already said before:

 

The Iranian foreign minister actually mentioned this. Look at this extract from Press TV:

 

Perhaps not, but if you straight away believe everything mentioned by the Western news outlets, then maybe Wahhabi and MKO propaganda and lies are affecting you.

Just because some clerics are hypocritical, doesn't mean they all are. Don't paint them all with the same brush, not all of them are the same. 

It's not the Iranian government impoverishing the people, it's the West. It's the West who suffocated Iran with illegal sanctions and applied 'maximum pressure' to Iranians. This is why Iran turned to China for trade and partnership. 

So there's no evidence of hemorrhage...I wonder why. Maybe because she wasn't beaten.

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that the West has a history of making baseless claims against Iran and then retracting those claims when they are proven wrong. 

I wouldn't be surprised if this entire incident was concocted by the West. Notice how Iran looks like the devil now. The Great Satan grins at his success. He looks like an angel while Iran looks like the devil. The irony. 

And by the way, why would President Raeisi order an investigation if the 'Iranian regime' was so 'corrupt' and 'evil'? Surely he would just order the police to crush the protestors, right? Wrong. Because Iranian officials aren't evil demons, even if the West depicts them that way.

Allahu a3lam

My brother, 

Many of our imams were poisoned by those people, who later gave condolences to Imams family. So this is irrelevant. 

Even if Mahsa was a serial killer, Was it right to kill her without a fair trial? A healthy, young girl apparently had health problems that her family hid for years. Until Godly angels decided to free earth from her burden. 

Even If I am walking down the road completely naked, does that mean in any way to kill me? Connecting every harsh step taken by Iranian regime in defense of Western propaganda is not fair. Many countries oppress their people for different reasons like to keep the system of Governance strong. I am against Western interference but it doesn't mean that every bad thing happening in Iran should be correlated with the West. Moral Police is absolutely useless and unnecessary. 

The powerful kills a few to strike fear into the hearts of others. 

 

[Abu Nur]

1 minute ago, EiE said:

There are a lot of supremacists on this thread.

Some of you supremacists, probably the majority, live in the western world and pay taxes to the taghut system, the so-called enemies of ahlul bayt, enemies of islam, while also believing that Iran represents and is the flag bearer of Shia Islam.
That's what I call hypocrisy.

 

There is really nothing good in other side either, living in taghut land while critizing Islamic countries and praising the west is worse.

You see the problem with your statement is that you can not apply to all those who live in West while praise Islamic countries, because for some of them there is no possibility to move to Islamic countries in the first place.

[GreenTree]

2 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

That is not his point either, because moral police have no authority to beat anyone. What he want to point out is that there will always be an subjective decision that goes against the rules of the book. You and most of you here actually have no good reason to blame any of the Iran regime, because all these wrong actions (read this very carefully in mind that we mean here Islamic laws that have been proven from Qur'an and Sunnah being violated, not western morality concept of what is right and wrong) are subjective decision that goes against the rules formed by the regime trough the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Yes, islamic laws. But why are you supporting it when you are enjoying American laws? Does your family or my family follow every single islamic law 24hrs a day? Is there no such thing as leniency? One mistake, moral police out to get you - do we have this here? If you want a perfect islamic system, it won't happen. Until Imam Mahdi comes. No fallible can bother other fallible people how to live life and what to wear and what to eat. It is none of your business. You can recommend, but you cannot force. If strict islamic law system was correct, Aya. Sistani would have implemented it. 

[EiE]

4 hours ago, Laayla said:

Then keep your day job in writing romance novels and live in your fantasy of 50 Shades of Gray.  Your to busy reading and writing love stories and can't tell the difference from real and fake news.  

17 minutes ago, Laayla said:

Oh God, we have another one bint al kuffa.

 

Your replies to one of your shia believers are quite disrespectful and immature.