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11 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution, a government panel appointed by Mr. Khamenei that created the police force.

 

10 hours ago, kadhim said:

A promising bit of pragmatism.

Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution

Policymaking for Women

The Supreme Council has always attached special significance to the women and their issues. Establishment of the Socio-Cultural Council of Women and Family, endorsing strategies to boost the ethos of Hijab and chastity, approving policies to aid research on women and their health, policies on family reconsolidation and solidarity, policies on women employment  and on developing their sports, cultural and social activities are among the major achievements in this respect.

SCCR Approach



 The most important approaches and endorsements of the Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution during the past three decades may be outlined as the following:
First Decade (1984-1990): Studying the required infrastructures for scientific and cultural development of the country, strengthening and consolidating these infrastructures, and offering solutions for eliminating problems and formation of strategies for scientific and cultural developments were among the major approaches and concerns of SCCR. They were manifested in the following areas: 

Second Decade (1991-2000): In addition to building on of the previous infrastructures, SCCR paid special attention to public culture, the gifted, women, overseas issues, evaluation and participation in planning system for development of the country. These approaches were realized in the following areas:

 

New Age of SCCR: More Effort, Endeavor and Determination, SCCR Perfection 
 
In the Ninth Government when the new secretary of the council was introduced, a new page of planning, effort and endeavor was turned in the history of the council and SCCR began to experience a flawless period. During this period, the SCCR Secretariat rearranged programs and established specialized councils comprised of experts from the theological schools and universities. They provide the scientific and specialized backbone for expert-level decisions of the council and as well as fostering a wider  relationships with scientific, cultural and executive institutions, organizations and centers. The Secretariat has served since then in the frontline of SCCR decisions and implementation of its endorsements. The recent performance of SCCR has pleased the Supreme Leader.
Highlights from Supreme Leader’s remarks in his visit with SCCR members in 2007 and 2011:

https://sccr.ir/pages/11053/2

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Preservation and Advancement of Persian Language and Literature


Paying Special Attention to Iranian Islamic culture and Civilizations

Shaping Major Policies for Realization of 20-Year Outlook Plan Targets

Reviving the Role of Culture in Administration of National Affairs

Reorganization, Development and Promotion of Quranic Culture

Role of the Supreme Council resolutions in Five-Year Development Plan

SCCR Connections with Cultural luminaries and Managers


Policymaking for Higher Education

Amending Training Procedure at Tarbiyyat Modarres (University Instructors Training) University

Policymaking in Public Culture

Iran’s Progress in Advanced Technologies


Solidarity of Theological Seminaries and Universities

Policymaking for Theoretical Debate Forum
Publications

Policymaking for Women

The Supreme Council has always attached special significance to the women and their issues. Establishment of the Socio-Cultural Council of Women and Family, endorsing strategies to boost the ethos of Hijab and chastity, approving policies to aid research on women and their health, policies on family reconsolidation and solidarity, policies on women employment  and on developing their sports, cultural and social activities are among the major achievements in this respect.

Developing and Publicizing Martyred Master Motahari’s Thoughts

 

Fighting Cultural Onslaught Negative Impacts in Computer Games

 

Establishment of Specialized Councils and Units

Implementation of the endorsements

 

Channeling Efforts to Support the gifted talents.

Dazzling Scientific Presence of Iran in Islamic World Science Citation Database (ISC)

Translating and Publishing Islamic Sciences into Other Languages

Prioritized Admission of Local Students in the Nationwide University Entrance Examinations

Scientific and Cultural Evaluation and Supervision

Monitoring Cultural endeavors and Programs in the Country

Employing Academic faculty Members

 

 

https://sccr.ir/pages/10258/2

 

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11 hours ago, -Rejector- said:

Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution, a government panel appointed by Mr. Khamenei that created the police force.

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The victory of Islamic Revolution in February 1979, followed by the establishment of Islamic Republic system in Iran, brought about drastic changes in all foundations and aspects of social life. This is because any development in any system is realized by revolutionizing foundations and structures. Culture, in the meantime, enjoys a unique status so that it is impossible to imagine a change in ruling system without a change in ruling culture.
Imam Khomeini’s New Year Message on March 21, 1980 must be taken as a turning point in the history of cultural revolution. Clause 11 of his message necessitates “revolutionizing all universities across the country”, “firing university professors linked to the East or West”, and “developing the universities into a safe environment for authoring and teaching higher Islamic sciences”.
11 hours ago, kadhim said:

A promising bit of pragmatism.

Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution

Policymaking for Women

The Supreme Council has always attached special significance to the women and their issues. Establishment of the Socio-Cultural Council of Women and Family, endorsing strategies to boost the ethos of Hijab and chastity, approving policies to aid research on women and their health, policies on family reconsolidation and solidarity, policies on women employment  and on developing their sports, cultural and social activities are among the major achievements in this respect.

SCCR Approach



 The most important approaches and endorsements of the Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution during the past three decades may be outlined as the following:
First Decade (1984-1990): Studying the required infrastructures for scientific and cultural development of the country, strengthening and consolidating these infrastructures, and offering solutions for eliminating problems and formation of strategies for scientific and cultural developments were among the major approaches and concerns of SCCR. They were manifested in the following areas: 

Second Decade (1991-2000): In addition to building on of the previous infrastructures, SCCR paid special attention to public culture, the gifted, women, overseas issues, evaluation and participation in planning system for development of the country. These approaches were realized in the following areas:

 

New Age of SCCR: More Effort, Endeavor and Determination, SCCR Perfection 
 
In the Ninth Government when the new secretary of the council was introduced, a new page of planning, effort and endeavor was turned in the history of the council and SCCR began to experience a flawless period. During this period, the SCCR Secretariat rearranged programs and established specialized councils comprised of experts from the theological schools and universities. They provide the scientific and specialized backbone for expert-level decisions of the council and as well as fostering a wider  relationships with scientific, cultural and executive institutions, organizations and centers. The Secretariat has served since then in the frontline of SCCR decisions and implementation of its endorsements. The recent performance of SCCR has pleased the Supreme Leader.
Highlights from Supreme Leader’s remarks in his visit with SCCR members in 2007 and 2011:

https://sccr.ir/pages/11053/2

Quote

 

 

Preservation and Advancement of Persian Language and Literature


Paying Special Attention to Iranian Islamic culture and Civilizations

Shaping Major Policies for Realization of 20-Year Outlook Plan Targets

Reviving the Role of Culture in Administration of National Affairs

Reorganization, Development and Promotion of Quranic Culture

Role of the Supreme Council resolutions in Five-Year Development Plan

SCCR Connections with Cultural luminaries and Managers


Policymaking for Higher Education

Amending Training Procedure at Tarbiyyat Modarres (University Instructors Training) University

Policymaking in Public Culture

Iran’s Progress in Advanced Technologies


Solidarity of Theological Seminaries and Universities

Policymaking for Theoretical Debate Forum
Publications

Policymaking for Women

The Supreme Council has always attached special significance to the women and their issues. Establishment of the Socio-Cultural Council of Women and Family, endorsing strategies to boost the ethos of Hijab and chastity, approving policies to aid research on women and their health, policies on family reconsolidation and solidarity, policies on women employment  and on developing their sports, cultural and social activities are among the major achievements in this respect.

Developing and Publicizing Martyred Master Motahari’s Thoughts

 

Fighting Cultural Onslaught Negative Impacts in Computer Games

 

Establishment of Specialized Councils and Units

Implementation of the endorsements

 

Channeling Efforts to Support the gifted talents.

Dazzling Scientific Presence of Iran in Islamic World Science Citation Database (ISC)

Translating and Publishing Islamic Sciences into Other Languages

Prioritized Admission of Local Students in the Nationwide University Entrance Examinations

Scientific and Cultural Evaluation and Supervision

Monitoring Cultural endeavors and Programs in the Country

Employing Academic faculty Members

 

 

https://sccr.ir/pages/10258/2

 

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On 12/4/2022 at 7:38 AM, Guest Guest said:

A general in Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps this week, for the first time, said more than 300 people have lost their lives in the unrest since Amini's death.

Iran's top security body, the Supreme National Security Council, on Saturday said the number of people killed during the protests "exceeds 200".

Cited by state news agency IRNA, it said the figure included security officers, civilians and "separatists" as well as "rioters".

Salam only number of 200killed persons has been confirmed by all Iranian official which rest of numbers from 300 to farfetched  14,000 are just rumors which has been spread by MKO terrorists in cyberspace which they have tried to relate all kinds of death likewise death in car accidents or suicides & reports of natural deaths to cureent disturbances which even as their common dirty tactic they have announced some of  people who are still alive & free as killed or arrested people which France24 as Zionist propganda newssource has spread  false statistics of MKO terrorist which in similar fashion so called  Zionist based "Oslo-based non-governmental organisation Iran Human Rights" so then "UN rights chief Volker Turk" have repeated  false statistics of MKO terrorist.

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2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

In the Ninth Government when the new secretary of the council was introduced, a new page of planning, effort and endeavor was turned in the history of the council and SCCR began to experience a flawless period.

Hoo boy. It’s time to run for the hills when the Politburo propaganda reaches this level of shamelessness. 

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IRGC: No mercy will be shown to rioters, thugs, terrorists serving Iran's enemies

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Iran’s Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) has commended the Judiciary for its firm treatment of a number of rioters affiliated with the Israeli spy agency, saying no mercy will be shown to rioters, thugs and terrorists serving the country’s enemies.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/12/05/693944/Iran-IRGC-statement-riots-mercy-thugs-judiciary-

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Exclusive: Western states lay down conditions for withdrawing support for anti-Iran riots

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A high-ranking Iranian security official...told the Arabic-language al-Alam television news network on Monday that the states have suggested that they would adopt the approach on the condition that Iran starts to unconditionally and abundantly inject crude oil and natural gas into global energy markets, which remain unstable in the wake of Russia’s military campaign in neighboring Ukraine and coercive measures against Moscow.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/12/05/693936/Exclusive--Western-states-lay-down-conditions-for-withdrawing-support-for-anti-Iran-riots

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'Anti-Iran Propaganda Is Getting Pathetic' / Qatar FIFA World Cup 2022 (Richard Medhurst) 12 min.

From instigating civil unrest in the streets of Tehran to US Soccer Federation secularizing the emblem of the Iranian flag   

 

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On 12/5/2022 at 6:06 AM, kadhim said:

Hoo boy. It’s time to run for the hills when the Politburo propaganda reaches this level of shamelessness. 

Salam  :grin: main point in my post has been about policy of SCCR about women which zionist Politburo propaganda has accused it to founding Morality Police (MP) which it has shown it has been totally false which you only have focused on non important part of post to distract minds of people also under influence of  zionist Politburo propaganda  you have accused staff of MP to hitting women & children which such baseless accusation has not been proved about women which in similar fashion accusing them to beating children has been a blatant lie which only naive people likewise you under influence of zionist Politburo propaganda has believed  to it.

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Neocons Exploit Iran Protests...Iran Protests Magically Lead To Regime Change Campaign (ALAKAZAM!)…Grayzone's Max Blumenthal interviews Iranian activist Setareh Sadeghi...topics covered: draft dodger John Bolton admits on BBC Persian that insurgents are being armed through Kurdish strongholds in Iraq, shopkeepers being threated to either join strikes or have their stores burned to the ground, Iran rethinks mandatory hijab and considers dissolving the Guidance Patrol, Jordan Peterson's message to the Muslim World dismantled, Borzou Daragahi exposed etc. (42 min.)

 

 

 

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On 12/13/2022 at 10:52 PM, Allah Seeker said:

Is it true that they handed a death sentence to that football player?

Salam , lol this is more hilarious farfetched propganda against Iran which in reality no football player has been sentenced to death although two of them which one of them is playing now which has been spreading panKurd rhetorics of PKK & Pejak terroists & other one has been an exe goal keeper which both of them few days after detaining have been released which Ali Karimi as former player of Team Melli & one of main leaders of rebels has started anti Iran activity after totall migration to UAE which later UAE has forced him to migrate to Canada which nowadays there is some gossips  which he has received American residency due to his anti Iran activities which maybe few people likewise cyber army ofMKO  terrorists have been treatend him to death in social media in order to that he can use their posts as a fake evidence for becoming a resident of America or Canda as a political refugee wich his life is in danger by Islamic Regime.

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4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam , lol this is more hilarious farfetched propganda against Iran which in reality no football player has been sentenced to death although two of them which one of them is playing now which has been spreading panKurd rhetorics of PKK & Pejak terroists & other one has been an exe goal keeper which both of them few days after detaining have been released which Ali Karimi as former player of Team Melli & one of main leaders of rebels has started anti Iran activity after totall migration to UAE which later UAE has forced him to migrate to Canada which nowadays there is some gossips  which he has received American residency due to his anti Iran activities which maybe few people likewise cyber army ofMKO  terrorists have been treatend him to death in social media in order to that he can use their posts as a fake evidence for becoming a resident of America or Canda as a political refugee wich his life is in danger by Islamic Regime.

Very confusing. Lies have reached a new level these days. 

The level of lies is quite shocking, if this is a made up story by the MSM.

There are videos showing that the guy they hung from a crane was just blocking a road, and that the confession was forced. So people in Iran are screaming those things on the streets. So it is my guess that there is no hard proof of his murderous intentions, or the execution of such intentions? 

With so many people in death row, it will be crucial to show the truth with solid evidence, because confessions aren't really reliable to the average humans eyes. Everybody knows that these confessions can be forced. I'm no expert, but the evidence for the crimes will speak for itself, when this government will be faced with an onslaught of accusations, even if they are lies.

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Pretty much sums things up

French TV tweets about Miss France competition and someone replies asking what they are going to do to support Iranian women.

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On 12/17/2022 at 10:32 AM, Allah Seeker said:

There are videos showing that the guy they hung from a crane was just blocking a road, and that the confession was forced. So people in Iran are screaming those things on the streets. So it is my guess that there is no hard proof of his murderous intentions, or the execution of such intentions? 

Salam this is not first time wich anti Iran MSM have shown too old videos or videos from other countries for mixing it with current events which naive people accept it as facts .

On 12/17/2022 at 10:32 AM, Allah Seeker said:

With so many people in death row, it will be crucial to show the truth with solid evidence, because confessions aren't really reliable to the average humans eyes. Everybody knows that these confessions can be forced. I'm no expert, but the evidence for the crimes will speak for itself, when this government will be faced with an onslaught of accusations, even if they are lies.

Thisi is just your accusation without having any reliable proof which you previously have accused Iranian government without reliable proof & document just based on propganda of BBC Farsi & rest of anti Iran MSM.

The latest status of 40 important cases of recent riots (16 Azar 1401  ۱۶ آذر ۱۴۰۱، Wednesday, December 7, 2022 2022-12-07)

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so far 7 people have been sentenced to death for warring (محاربه)and corruption in the land (افساد فی الارض),

Almost 3 months have passed since the protests that gradually took on the smell of riots. 80 days were difficult for many compatriots, from tasting the taste of insecurity and anxiety to the sadness of losing loved ones and children of this border.

According to official statistics, 200 people lost their lives during the recent riots, from ordinary people to innocent women and children to security defenders. The past 12 weeks in the country have been full of inflammatory hours and days that marked bitter incidents, from the occurrence of some crimes to the divisive comments of famous figures.

For this purpose, several cases were filed in the judicial system in the last few weeks, some of which are as follows.

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عنوان پرونده / متهم آخرین وضعیت
۱- پرونده شهادت شهید عجمیان صدور حکم اعدام برای ۵ متهم. حبس برای ۱۱ متهم
۲- پرونده آتش زدن بخشداری قرچک صدور حکم اعدام
۳- پرونده شهید دانیال رضا زاده برگزاری دادگاه در ۸ آذر
۴- پرونده شهید حسین زینال زاده برگزاری دادگاه در ۸ آذر
۵- پرونده متهم محمد قبادلو صدور حکم اعدام به اتهام افساد فی الارض
۶- پرونده ترور نیروهای حافظ امنیت در اصفهان در شرف صدور رای
۷- پرونده شهید آرمان علی وردی دستگیری عاملان اصلی
۸- پرونده هتک حرمت گلزار شهدای اراک صدور کیفرخواست برای زن متهم پرونده
۹- پرویز برومند آزادی با قرار وثیقه
۱۰- وریا غفوری ازادی با قرار وثیقه
۱۱- حسین رونقی تبدیل قرار بازداشت
۱۲- صادق زیبا کلام احضار به دادسرا / عدم ارائه مستندات
۱۳- پرونده اغتشاشگر خیابان ستارخان صدور حکم اعدام
۱۴- پرونده حمله به فرمانداری پاکدشت صدور حکم اعدام برای متهم ردیف اول
۱۵- پرونده زیرگرفتن عمدی مأموران انتظامی صدور حکم اعدام
۱۶- پرونده مسدودسازی خیابان اشرفی اصفهانی برگزاری دادگاه برای سه متهم
۱۷- پرونده فوت فرشته احمدی تشکیل پرونده برای انجام تحقیقات بیشتر
۱۸- پرونده نیکا شاکرمی انجام تحقیقات قضایی
۱۹- پرونده ۴۰ نفر از اتباع خارجی بررسی اتهام اجماع و تبانی و جاسوسی
۲۰- پرونده فائزه هاشمی برگزاری دادگاه برای ۳ عنوان اتهامی
۲۱- پرونده هنگامه قاضیانی در مرحله دادسرا / آزادی با وثیقه
۲۲- کتایون ریاحی در مرحله دادسرا / آزادی
۲۳- حسن عباسی احضار به دادسرا
۲۴- الناز شاکردوست احضار به دادسرا
۲۵- شقایق دهقان احضار به دادسرا
۲۶- ماهان صدارت برگزاری دادگاه
۲۷- حوادث زاهدان تشکیل پرونده
۲۸- پرونده قضائی علیه آمریکا در خصوص خسارات ناشی از اغتشاشات تشکیل پرونده در دادگستری تهران
۲۹- حمله تروریستی به حرم شاهچراغ تکمیل پرونده
۳۰- میترا حجار بازداشت / آزادی با وثیقه
۳۱- محمود صادقی احضار به دادسرا
۳۲- پروانه سلحشوری احضار به دادسرا
۳۳- سیما تیر انداز احضار به دادسرا
۳۴- باران کوثری احضار به دادسرا
۳۵- عوامل تهدید تعطیلی بازار بازداشت چندین متهم
۳۶- یحیی گل محمدی احضار به دادسرا
۳۷- حوادث جوانرود بررسی قضایی
۳۸- پرونده حادثه تروریستی ایذه بررسی قضایی
۳۹- سیما تیرانداز احضار به دادسرا
۴۰- علی کریمی تعقیب قضائی

In addition, it should be mentioned that so far 7 people have been sentenced to death for warring (محاربه)and corruption in the land (افساد فی الارض), and many people who were involved in the riots but were not the main culprits, were sentenced to arrest and released. It does not mean that the case is closed, and the case of all those who played a role in the recent incidents and riots will definitely be dealt with.

https://www.mehrnews.com/news/5648824/آخرین-وضعیت-۴۰-پرونده-مهم-اغتشاشات-اخیر

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اسامی زندانیانی که با اتهام محاربه و افساد فی‌الارض مواجه هستند

اسامی

شهرت پرونده

عنوان اتهامی

گزارش قوه قضاییه از جرم رخ داده در پرونده

وضعیت کیفرخواست و صدور حکم

تاریخ اجرای حکم

سعید شیرازی

اغتشاشات تهران

افساد فی الارض

تحریک و تشویق گسترده مردم به ارتکاب جرائم‌ علیه امنیت کشور و اخلال شدید در نظم

۷ آبان- قرائت کیفرخواست صادر شده

 

محسن رضازاده قراقلو

اغتشاشات تهران

محاربه

مشارکت در ایجاد حریق، تبانی برای جرم علیه امنیت داخلی کشور، ساخت کوکتل مولوتوف برای مقاصد ضدامنیتی، سنگ‌پرانی به سوی عوامل انتظامی

۷ آبان- قرائت کیفرخواست صادر شده

 

ماهان صدرات مرنی

متهمین اغتشاشات شهر تهران

محاربه

انسداد خیابان، آتش زدن موتورسیکلت، تخریب گوشی شاکی خصوصی و ایراد جرح عمدی با چاقو نسبت به شاکی

۱۲ آبان- جلسه دادگاه برای بررسی مستندات اتهام تشکیل شد

 

سهند نورمحمدزاده

بستن بزرگراه اشرفی اصفهانی

محاربه

انسداد بزرگراه، کندن نرده‌های بزرگراه، آتش زدن سطل زباله و لاستیک

۱۶ آبان- قرائت کیفرخواست صادر شده

 

محمد قبادلو

اغتشاشات تهران

افساد فی‌الارض- اعدام

هجوم با خودرو سواری به مامورین- شهادت استوار فرید کرم پور حسنوند و مجروح شدن ۵ مامور پلیس

۲۵ آبان- حکم بدوی و قابل تجدیدنظرخواهی

 

محمد بروغنی

اغتشاشات تهران

محاربه- اعدام

کشیدن سلاح سرد، آتش زدن فرمانداری پاکدشت و حمله منجر به جراحت به مامور دولت

۲۵ آبان- حکم بدوی و قابل تجدیدنظرخواهی

 

سامان صیدی

اغتشاشات تهران

محاربه- اعدام

کشیدن کلت کمری و شلیک ۳ تیر و ایجاد رعب

۲۵ آبان- حکم بدوی و قابل تجدیدنظرخواهی

 

محسن شکاری

بستن خیابان ستارخان

محاربه-اعدام

بستن خیابان ستارخان

و مجروح کردن یک مامور حافظ امنیت که محل زخم وی ۱۳ بخیه خورد

 

۳۰ آبان- حکم و قابل تجدید نظرخواهی اعلام شد

۱۷ آذر- اجرای حکم اعدام

 

 

توماج صالحی

 

افساد فی‌الارض

نشر اکاذیب منجر به خسارات عمده، فعالیت تبلیغی علیه نظام، تشکیل و اداره دسته‌جات غیرقانونی، همکاری با دولت متخاصم

اتهام ۶ آذر توسط رئیس کل دادگستری استان اصفهان اعلام شد.

 

مجید رهنورد دو بسیجی حافظ امنیت در مشهد

محاربه-

اعدام

 

شهادت دو بسیجی؛ دانیال رضازاده و حسین زینال زاده

اولین جلسه دادگاه ۸ آذر تشکیل شد و عنوان اتهام قرائت شد

 

محمد مهدی کرمی

پرونده شهید عجمیان

متهم ردیف اول-افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): محمدمهدی کرمی، شهید عجمیان را به عنوان بسیجی شناسایی و تعقیب و با سنگ به پشت سر وی ضربه وارد کرده و سپس بدن برهنه و نیمه‌جان وی را بر روی آسفالت خیابان می‌کشد

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

سید محمد حسینی

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متهم ردیف دوم-افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): با استفاده از چاقو چند ضربه به ناحیه شکم مرحوم وارد می‌کند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

آرین فرزام‌نیا

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متهم ردیف سوم-افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): با استفاده از چاقو چند ضربه به ناحیه شکم مرحوم وارد می‌کند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

امین مهدی شکراللهی

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افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): با پوتین کار دارای نوک فلزی چند ضربه به شهید وارد کرده است.

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

رضا آریا

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افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): با پوتین کار دارای نوک فلزی، چند ضربه به شهید وارد کرده است.

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

مهدی محمدی

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افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): با خود پنجه بوکس همراه داشته است.

 

 

محمدامین اخلاقی

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افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): به نوعی در انسداد آزادراه، حمله به مامورین حافظ امنیت و حمله به شهید عجمیان دخالت داشته‌اند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

بهراد علی کناری

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رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): به نوعی در انسداد آزادراه، حمله به مامورین حافظ امنیت و حمله به شهید عجمیان دخالت داشته‌اند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

جواد زرگران

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افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): به نوعی در انسداد آزادراه، حمله به مامورین حافظ امنیت و حمله به شهید عجمیان دخالت داشته‌اند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

شایان چارانی

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افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): به نوعی در انسداد آزادراه، حمله به مامورین حافظ امنیت و حمله به شهید عجمیان دخالت داشته‌اند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

حمید قره حسنلو

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افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): به نوعی در انسداد آزادراه، حمله به مامورین حافظ امنیت و حمله به شهید عجمیان دخالت داشته‌اند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

فرزانه قره حسنلو

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افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): به نوعی در انسداد آزادراه، حمله به مامورین حافظ امنیت و حمله به شهید عجمیان دخالت داشته‌اند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

امیرمحمد جعفری

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افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): به نوعی در انسداد آزادراه، حمله به مامورین حافظ امنیت و حمله به شهید عجمیان دخالت داشته‌اند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

رضا شاکر

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افساد فی‌الارض

رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): به نوعی در انسداد آزادراه، حمله به مامورین حافظ امنیت و حمله به شهید عجمیان دخالت داشته‌اند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

 

علی معظمی گودرزی

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رئیس کل دادگستری استان البرز (۱۰ آذر): به نوعی در انسداد آزادراه، حمله به مامورین حافظ امنیت و حمله به شهید عجمیان دخالت داشته‌اند

۱۴ آذر- حکم غیرقطعی

https://fararu.com/fa/news/591461/چه-کسانی-با-حکم-اعدام-مواجه-هستند

 

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From the death sentence of 4 rioters to 150 stories against the regime (Saturday, November 19, 2022 2022-11-19)

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In one of the dozens of courts that have been held, the issue of the relationship between the defendants and foreigners was raised, and one of the defendants answered: I am not a member of any group and faction, and I have relatives abroad with whom I am in contact. I sent the videos of the day of the incident to my relatives abroad.

In the continuation of the session, the judge said: "You have uploaded about 150 stories against the regime on your personal page, which were meant to incite rioters. Please explain about this." In response, the defendant said: I did not want to encourage anyone to riot and I was alone.

https://www.mehrnews.com/news/5635202/از-صدور-حکم-اعدام-۴-اغتشاشگر-تا-۱۵۰-استوری-علیه-نظام

 

On 12/17/2022 at 10:32 AM, Allah Seeker said:

Everybody knows that these confessions can be forced.

Movies of CCTV & their movies in personal pages in social media is available which they have uploaded videos & photos of their crimes with pride .

The execution of the murderer of two Basiji students in Mashhad / this morning was carried out in public + video and photos

Warning : Too much graphic content about attacking of murderer to two Basiji students

https://www.rokna.net/بخش-حادثه-245/851916-اعدام-قاتل-دو-دانشجوی-بسیجی-در-مشهد-صبح-امروز-در-ملا-عام-انجام-شد-فیلم-عکس

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On 12/17/2022 at 12:32 PM, Allah Seeker said:

There

Video footages are present online if you see that show how those arrested and confessed were doing there activities on ground.

Look into this source. I don't believe and think that such a grand confession with the minutest details can be forced and made up.

https://thesaker.is/the-islamic-republic-of-iran-the-us-zionists-uk-unholy-trinity-and-domains-of-grand-illusions/

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2 hours ago, Zainuu said:

Video footages are present online if you see that show how those arrested and confessed were doing there activities on ground.

Look into this source. I don't believe and think that such a grand confession with the minutest details can be forced and made up.

I would recommend to be a little more skeptical. 

There’s actually a massive amount of research out there about how easy it is to coerce a confession. Even without physical torture to help coax it along. 

https://jaapl.org/content/37/3/332

https://www.apa.org/news/podcasts/speaking-of-psychology/false-confessions

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7937609/



 

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11 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam this is not first time wich anti Iran MSM have shown too old videos or videos from other countries for mixing it with current events which naive people accept it as facts .

Thisi is just your accusation without having any reliable proof which you previously have accused Iranian government without reliable proof & document just based on propganda of BBC Farsi & rest of anti Iran MSM.

The latest status of 40 important cases of recent riots (16 Azar 1401  ۱۶ آذر ۱۴۰۱، Wednesday, December 7, 2022 2022-12-07)

Almost 3 months have passed since the protests that gradually took on the smell of riots. 80 days were difficult for many compatriots, from tasting the taste of insecurity and anxiety to the sadness of losing loved ones and children of this border.

According to official statistics, 200 people lost their lives during the recent riots, from ordinary people to innocent women and children to security defenders. The past 12 weeks in the country have been full of inflammatory hours and days that marked bitter incidents, from the occurrence of some crimes to the divisive comments of famous figures.

For this purpose, several cases were filed in the judicial system in the last few weeks, some of which are as follows.

In addition, it should be mentioned that so far 7 people have been sentenced to death for warring (محاربه)and corruption in the land (افساد فی الارض), and many people who were involved in the riots but were not the main culprits, were sentenced to arrest and released. It does not mean that the case is closed, and the case of all those who played a role in the recent incidents and riots will definitely be dealt with.

https://www.mehrnews.com/news/5648824/آخرین-وضعیت-۴۰-پرونده-مهم-اغتشاشات-اخیر

https://fararu.com/fa/news/591461/چه-کسانی-با-حکم-اعدام-مواجه-هستند

 

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From the death sentence of 4 rioters to 150 stories against the regime (Saturday, November 19, 2022 2022-11-19)

https://www.mehrnews.com/news/5635202/از-صدور-حکم-اعدام-۴-اغتشاشگر-تا-۱۵۰-استوری-علیه-نظام

 

Movies of CCTV & their movies in personal pages in social media is available which they have uploaded videos & photos of their crimes with pride .

The execution of the murderer of two Basiji students in Mashhad / this morning was carried out in public + video and photos

Warning : Too much graphic content about attacking of murderer to two Basiji students

https://www.rokna.net/بخش-حادثه-245/851916-اعدام-قاتل-دو-دانشجوی-بسیجی-در-مشهد-صبح-امروز-در-ملا-عام-انجام-شد-فیلم-عکس

Ok I'm no expert in the field, so I'll try my best to stay quiet with the sabr of Khidr (عليه السلام) .. on this local news topic. Let's just wait and see. Allah will fix it inshallah 

Wishing for peace from a country outside Iran.

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Be careful what you wish for

This person wants events in Iran to go the way they did in Libya. Interesting comparison

  1. Gaddafi had actually come in from the cold and was hosting western spy agencies in Tripoli
  2. Gaddafi had been feted by western powers (famously pitching his tent in Paris)
  3. He had come to an agreement about the Lockerbie bombing and sent one of his operatives to jail in Scotland
  4. Blair boasted that Libya was a success arising from the invasion of Iraq because Gaddafi had also given up his WMD

BUT and it's a capitalised BUT.

The West still took him out!

A peaceful country with good levels of development has been wrecked. Thousands of people have attempted to flee in boats to Europe and died in the Med.

It's now a failed state.

And at this point the West is no longer interested.

I can understand IRI supporters choosing Gaddafi as an analogy, but for someone who does not support the IRI it's a weird choice.

 

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I believe that Gaddafi was killed because he advocated for the gold dinar which represented a threat to the US petrodollar.  All his other "sins" were forgiven except this one could never be forgiven. There is NOTHING backing the US petrodollar except the current system requires you to buy US dollars to pay for oil.

Do a search and you will find any number of articles on the subject from various sites some more dodgy than others but with general agreement on the subject. Here is one for example :

https://millenium-state.com/blog/2019/05/03/the-dinar-gold-the-real-reason-for-gaddafis-murder/

 

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The objective of this new currency was to divert oil revenues towards state-controlled funds rather than American banks. In other words, to stop using the dollar for oil transactions. Countries such as Nigeria, Tunisia, Egypt and Angola were ready to change their currencies. Unfortunately in March 2011, the NATO-led coalition began a military intervention in Libya in the name of freedom….

 

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It is quite revealing to compare the Western reaction over women’s rights in Afghanistan vs. those in the IRI.

For instance, the Taliban have now officially ended all women’s education. Compared to the West’s reaction over the hijab in the IRI, its response to the Taliban’s misogynist move(s) has been extremely tame. A similar move in the IRI—which, unlike Taliban-run Afghanistan, allows women’s full participation in society, including education—would merit economic sanction(s), armed insurgency, or worse, but the Taliban’s moves vs. women, like their moves vs. religious and ethnic minorities, only receive verbal rebuke in the West.

In fact, the situation in Afghanistan is diametrically opposed to that in the IRI. In Afghanistan the West is imposing the Wahhabi–Salafi agenda on the Afghan people, using the GCC-sponsored Taliban. This agenda, unlike Iran’s, is actually and virulently misogynistic. If the Taliban, or their pro-Western sponsors in Pakistan or the KSA, were to abandon misogyny, the West would almost certainly order them to reverse course and revert to the Wahhabi–Salafi agenda, for the West controls everything that the Taliban and their allies do or don’t.

By contrast, Iran, which prizes women more than just about any other “Muslim” country, gets 99% of the blame for “anti-women” policies. Yet the same West that blames Iran for “misogyny” orders its Saudi puppets to keep up their own, genuinely misogynistic domestic policies. Under MbS only the most “cosmetic” changes have been approved, when in reality women are just as oppressed as under previous Saudi rulers. If the West truly cares about Muslim women’s rights, it would have gotten rid of the KSA and its clients first.

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58 minutes ago, Northwest said:

In Afghanistan the West is imposing the Wahhabi–Salafi agenda on the Afghan people, using the GCC-sponsored Taliban.

Yes. It's that or chaos but nothing constructive.

Sometimes it can be useful to take a variable out of the equation entirely and see what happens.

This is where Libya comes in.

No one could accuse the Gaddafi regime of being Islamists who hold back women, according to UNESCO half the students at Libyan universities in the 90s were women.

The following is an extract from a PhD written by a (female) Libyan at the University of Salford in 2013, which highlights just how effective the Libyans were at getting their nationals educated:

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... at the moment there are more Libyan students in the UK than from any other Arab country, which is an incredible position given that Libya’s population is just over 6,000,000. Of these, 4,000 are in UK Higher or Further Education, or studying English in preparation for this (British Embassy, Tripoli, 2009).

https://usir.salford.ac.uk/id/eprint/30757/1/Dr.Salma's_Thesis_pdf.pdf

Obviously this state of affairs could not last and with the help of NATO bombing we have chaos instead.

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^ one point worth noting for anyone who follows my link and actually reads that PhD - I am stunned that it qualified as one.

This begs the question about British universities selling degrees to students sponsored by rich Middle Eastern countries.

The corrupters becoming the corruptees - so to speak.

But that is another story. 

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7 hours ago, Northwest said:

It is quite revealing to compare the Western reaction over women’s rights in Afghanistan vs. those in the IRI.

For instance, the Taliban have now officially ended all women’s education. Compared to the West’s reaction over the hijab in the IRI, its response to the Taliban’s misogynist move(s) has been extremely tame. A similar move in the IRI—which, unlike Taliban-run Afghanistan, allows women’s full participation in society, including education—would merit economic sanction(s), armed insurgency, or worse, but the Taliban’s moves vs. women, like their moves vs. religious and ethnic minorities, only receive verbal rebuke in the West.

In fact, the situation in Afghanistan is diametrically opposed to that in the IRI. In Afghanistan the West is imposing the Wahhabi–Salafi agenda on the Afghan people, using the GCC-sponsored Taliban. This agenda, unlike Iran’s, is actually and virulently misogynistic. If the Taliban, or their pro-Western sponsors in Pakistan or the KSA, were to abandon misogyny, the West would almost certainly order them to reverse course and revert to the Wahhabi–Salafi agenda, for the West controls everything that the Taliban and their allies do or don’t.

By contrast, Iran, which prizes women more than just about any other “Muslim” country, gets 99% of the blame for “anti-women” policies. Yet the same West that blames Iran for “misogyny” orders its Saudi puppets to keep up their own, genuinely misogynistic domestic policies. Under MbS only the most “cosmetic” changes have been approved, when in reality women are just as oppressed as under previous Saudi rulers. If the West truly cares about Muslim women’s rights, it would have gotten rid of the KSA and its clients first.

Oh come on.

So first of all, can we for once and for all ditch this lazy rhetorical “get out of jail free card” of “If you complain about A without simultaneously talking about every other evil in the world, you’re a hypocrite”? It’s cute the first few times you hear it, but when it’s always the first arrow in the quiver, it gets tired after a while. 

Second. You know full well that the west spent 20 years of blood and treasure trying to work with partners to build something in Afghanistan. 20 years. Western people put in a lot of caring into Afghanistan. But then they watched what was built fold without a fight within days. I feel for the suffering of the people of Afghanistan, but at a certain point it’s hard to care more about a country than that country cares about itself, you know? It reminds you of that Quran verse that Gid does not raise the situation of a people until they change what is within itself.[Moderator Edited]

As for Iran, people tune in more psychologically precisely because, as you point out, it’s a better reality. There is a deep history of the culture of civil society there. A goodly chunk of Iranian people themselves are standing up and fighting for it. Westerners empathize with that, and nod their support as a result. 

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'What's Going On In Iran?' The Gaggle Talks With Mohammad Marandi (1 hr. 16 min.)

 

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9 hours ago, kadhim said:

Second. You know full well that the west spent 20 years of blood and treasure trying to work with partners to build something in Afghanistan. 20 years. Western people put in a lot of caring into Afghanistan

Salam West crystally clear has done nothing  in Afghanistan except some efforts for spreading moral corruption between Afghanistan & both of moral & financial corruption in Afghanistan which so called  western NGO's only have wasted all of financial resources for making a lavish lifestyle for westerners workers which anyone from Afghanistan who has worked with them just has benefitted from leftover of weterner workers which westerner workers have made a new wealthy elite wealthy class in Afghanistan for themselves wich in hardest time for Afghanistan they  have betrayed to their partners & coworkers & left them without any hope in hands of Taliban which only few Afghan  partners & coworkers of them could ran away from Afghanistan by giving heavy bribes to westerners.

9 hours ago, kadhim said:

A goodly chunk of Iranian people themselves are standing up and fighting for it. Westerners empathize with that, and nod their support as a result. 

West  only wants to totally destroy Iranian culture & civilazation so then turns it into a Balkanized region just for sake of protecting Israel which naive people think west wants to help Iranian women .:hahaha:

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On 12/21/2022 at 3:48 PM, kadhim said:

 

Second. You know full well that the west spent 20 years of blood and treasure trying to work with partners to build something in Afghanistan. 20 years. Western people put in a lot of caring into Afghanistan. But then they watched what was built fold without a fight within days. I feel for the suffering of the people of Afghanistan, but at a certain point it’s hard to care more about a country than that country cares about itself, you know? It reminds you of that Quran verse that Gid does not raise the situation of a people until they change what is within itself.[Moderator Edited]

 

This is so unfair to Afghanis. What did they need to do in order to prove that they deserve help? When ISIS attacked Iraq, they were also able to defeat Iraqi army. Taliban and ISIS are only good at fighting. They can create problems for any country. Iraq was able to defeat ISIS only because of help from other countries. But no country is willing to help Afghanistan. Afghani people were not focusing on fighting. They were building a country. There are many countries which need help and America choosing to help a country is like some rich person adopting a poor kid. When you give someone hope and then take it away, it's more hurtful. 20 years ago, Afghani women didn't know about their rights and freedom. Now they do and they are losing those rights and freedom. I cannot imagine how hopeless they feel. 

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1 hour ago, rkazmi33 said:

This is so unfair to Afghanis. What did they need to do in order to prove that they deserve help? When ISIS attacked Iraq, they were also able to defeat Iraqi army. Taliban and ISIS are only good at fighting. They can create problems for any country. Iraq was able to defeat ISIS only because of help from other countries. But no country is willing to help Afghanistan. Afghani people were not focusing on fighting. They were building a country. There are many countries which need help and America choosing to help a country is like some rich person adopting a poor kid. When you give someone hope and then take it away, it's more hurtful. 20 years ago, Afghani women didn't know about their rights and freedom. Now they do and they are losing those rights and freedom. I cannot imagine how hopeless they feel. 

I’m being completely fair. Sometimes the truth is painful like that.

There was a reasonably well-trained and well-armed Afghani army. We spent 20 years building it up. 

It could have defended the country from the Taliban, but it didn’t even fight

Why? 

Because the Taliban made deals with the heads of all the tribes, and the heads of the tribes told the soldiers from their respective tribes to stand down. Hell. Even the Shia tribes made deals, from what I understand. No one put the country over tribe, so that was game over.

That’s the whole problem of Afghanistan and a lot of other places in the region in a nutshell. That sense of nation beyond the local family clan networks never quite took. Sad but true.

Honestly. What are outsiders supposed to do to save these women when their own fathers and grandfathers sell them out? 

It’s just a broken culture, unfortunately. 

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On 12/17/2022 at 2:02 AM, Allah Seeker said:

Very confusing. Lies have reached a new level these days. 

The level of lies is quite shocking, if this is a made up story by the MSM.

There are videos showing that the guy they hung from a crane was just blocking a road, and that the confession was forced. So people in Iran are screaming those things on the streets. So it is my guess that there is no hard proof of his murderous intentions, or the execution of such intentions? 

With so many people in death row, it will be crucial to show the truth with solid evidence, because confessions aren't really reliable to the average humans eyes. Everybody knows that these confessions can be forced. I'm no expert, but the evidence for the crimes will speak for itself, when this government will be faced with an onslaught of accusations, even if they are lies.

The ones sentenced to death were the ones who either 

A) Killed Police Officers

B) Did destruction in a way that lead to deaths of innocent people

In the US (if you live in a State that allows the death penalty, which is about 1/2 the US States), the same thing would happen if someone did this. I think in almost all countries in the world a similar penalty would happen for this crime. In Iran, executions are public. In Iran, they execute by hanging. In the US, it is by lethal injection. Both forms of death penalty are about as painful and the person takes about the same amount of time to die. In the US, about 120 years ago, they would execute people by hanging. They switched to lethal injection because of groups like the KKK who would hang innocent black people. So the Govt didn't want to be associated with that. Otherwise, they would be hanging people to this day. In the US, they are public if you are a victim's family member, lawyer, etc. So there isn't much difference. 

The only difference is that the US Media has a much larger microphone to yell from. Iran doesn't. That's the only difference. 

When you have terrorist groups going around a country killing police officers and burning down neighborhood, the govt is going to deal with that by giving harsh penalties. Any Government. 

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There was an investigation with medical doctors including the doctor who did surgery on her before, and her father admitted that his daughter had surgery before. No body knows why she passed away. Video surveillance showed that police didn't do anything. These riots in Iran have been planned by US and Israeli regime before. It doesn't have anything to do with Hijab and nothing to do with economy problems. Burning Quran, destroying mosque, taking hijab off of a Muslim woman by force, killing and torturing people, destroying public and private properties, blocking the streets and highways, damaging martyr pictures and disrespecting their families, killing a man in front of his wife and daughter, etc. etc. etc. do not have anything to do with economy or Hijab. These actions are done by rioters in Iran.

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On 12/21/2022 at 9:48 PM, kadhim said:

You know full well that the west spent 20 years of blood and treasure trying to work with partners to build something in Afghanistan. 20 years.

I know full well that the west invaded a country they had no right to invade. 

It is better the Taliban rule than the US occupy.

On 12/21/2022 at 9:48 PM, kadhim said:

Western people put in a lot of caring into Afghanistan.

western people and western governments are different. Did the American people consent to 2 trillion in taxpayer's money being spent on this war in Afghanistan?

On 12/21/2022 at 9:48 PM, kadhim said:
On 12/21/2022 at 3:16 PM, Northwest said:

 

Oh come on.

So first of all, can we for once and for all ditch this lazy rhetorical “get out of jail free card” of “If you com

If the state of a nation is bad, it does not mean that the US or UK can suddenly invade to "help" them. The US and UK absolutely do not care about the people of Afghanistan, they care about their own interests. 

On 12/21/2022 at 9:48 PM, kadhim said:

So first of all, can we for once and for all ditch this lazy rhetorical “get out of jail free card” of “If you complain about A without simultaneously talking about every other evil in the world, you’re a hypocrite”?

its hypocrisy because of the stark difference in coverage. 

Let's take the world cup for example, lies were fabricated about Qatar, and Qatar was constantly bombarded with negative hit  pieces. 

It was written in the sunday times that a journalist was enjoying their time in Qatar, but the someone at the desk in London was asking for only negative hit pieces. There is clearly an agenda.

https://twitter.com/EdwinCallender/status/1605964403064459267/photo/1

this is another example:

 

But next world cup, will those who criticised Qatar criticise America? 

Highlighting hypocrisy is not a get out of jail free card, its highighting the agendas that exist.

These agendas have brought down entire countries, such as Libya, and only after a few years did it become clear that many things were fabricated. They are trying the same thing with Iran. Of course Iran is stronger, and will not be brought down by filthy fabrications and the noise of empty barrels. 

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