Mahsa Amini, 22-year old Iranian, dies after morality police arrest

[Diaz]

3 hours ago, Laayla said:

Are you sure Mahsa is a woman?  Because I don't know if she identifies as a woman.

What do you mean? She is not a tranwoman lol 

[GreenTree]

A very sad incident, like many other incidents coming out of Iran. The so called leader can only wish he could learn from Aya. Sistani. Killing innocent people is not islam. 

[Laayla]

1 hour ago, starlight said:

???? Sorry?

Regardless of ones gender or religious practices , a human was beaten to death. 

Since this is coming from you sister, I can have a reasonable conversation with you.

Where are you getting your news from in Pakistan?

Are your sources a) social media b) MSM c)alternative media d) state TV?

Sister, you are well versed of what happened to Rasoul Allah's family after the massacre of Imam Hussain 3la salam.

The power of media and propaganda changes people's perception and opinions.  You are no fool and not easily swayed, so how were you able to come to the conclusion she was beaten to death?

Just like the people of Sham accused Sayyida Zaynab and Imam Zein al 3beeden as Khawraj,  they had no idea who they were and what happened on the plain of Karbala.

So what makes you think CNN, NYT, BBC, or any Western outlet is reporting the truth?

I'm actually surprised sister star you took the bait.  

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN ALLAH 

[GreenTree]

31 minutes ago, Laayla said:

Since this is coming from you sister, I can have a reasonable conversation with you.

Where are you getting your news from in Pakistan?

Are your sources a) social media b) MSM c)alternative media d) state TV?

Sister, you are well versed of what happened to Rasoul Allah's family after the massacre of Imam Hussain 3la salam.

The power of media and propaganda changes people's perception and opinions.  You are no fool and not easily swayed, so how were you able to come to the conclusion she was beaten to death?

Just like the people of Sham accused Sayyida Zaynab and Imam Zein al 3beeden as Khawraj,  they had no idea who they were and what happened on the plain of Karbala.

So what makes you think CNN, NYT, BBC, or any Western outlet is reporting the truth?

I'm actually surprised sister star you took the bait.  

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN ALLAH 

WHAT KIND OF ISLAM IS THIS? This is not CNN, or BBC. This is coming straight from Iran. Please admit your ignorance. It will only lower your ego. 
Even if you deny this, I can ask my relatives to record videos from all over Iran, and send it to me in an hour to make this case more firm, more real, more absolute!!!

Edited September 20, 2022 by GreenTree

[Laayla]

25 minutes ago, GreenTree said:

WHAT KIND OF ISLAM IS THIS? This is not CNN, or BBC. This is coming straight from Iran. Please admit your ignorance. It will only lower your ego. 
Even if you deny this, I can ask my relatives to record videos from all over Iran, and send it to me in an hour to make this case more firm, more real, more absolute!!!

This is not what you originally said, I read your original message.

You are an emotional wreck.

You didn't address any of my questions.

No reason for a creepy smiley face when you show pictures of people who are injured.

Please go out in the sun for the sake of your mental state.

[GreenTree]

11 minutes ago, Laayla said:

This is not what you originally said, I read your original message.

You are an emotional wreck.

You didn't address any of my questions.

No reason for a creepy smiley face when you show pictures of people who are injured.

Please go out in the sun for the sake of your mental state.

Please learn to accept that whatever is happening in Iran, is wrong. Killing people for not having hejab is wrong. Please accept. Please don't say all news we have is from BBC or CNN. Please learn to honor the innocent people of Iran. You live in the west, and speak so firmly for the Iranian regime. Why not move to Iran? They will award you for your loyalty.  You cannot stop me. I will make many happy faces. This is not the Islamic Republic of Iran. 

Edited September 20, 2022 by GreenTree

[Laayla]

14 minutes ago, GreenTree said:

Please learn to accept that whatever is happening in Iran, is wrong. Killing people for not having hejab is wrong. Please accept. Please don't say all news we have is from BBC or CNN. Please learn to honor the innocent people of Iran. You live in the west, and speak so firmly for the Iranian regime. Why not move to Iran? They will award you for your loyalty.  You cannot stop me. I will make many happy faces. This is not the Islamic Republic of Iran. 

Second hand embarrassment 

Make it make sense.

[VoidVortex]

3 hours ago, GreenTree said:

The so called leader can only wish he could learn from Aya. Sistani. Killing innocent people is not islam. 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but a marja does not kill innocents and not every single thing that happens in Iran can be attributed to Sayed Khamenei. 

Iran's policy is not to kill innocents. Iran also can do things that are wrong, I am not saying it can't. Accusing sayed Khamenei as if he is responsible for this isn't reasonable. 

[Guest Kaz]

Salam alaykum, what happened is tragic, but tragic things happen in any gov , during the prophet’s government , Khalid bin waleed did a crime and murder , so do we say the prophet is evil or his gov is evil? Ofc not , just because a government is religious doesnt mean its perfect , I know this issue is blown up because of the hypocritical filthy Khaliji and western media that ignore whatever they do to others but magnify any incidents that happens in Iran, and for those people who talk trash about the great Islamic republic , just know that by doing so you are aiding their enemies the Kufar and Munafqeen . W salam .  

[khizarr]

11 hours ago, Laayla said:

Are you sure Mahsa is a woman?  Because I don't know if she identifies as a woman.

BTW, define what a woman is?

 

Oh, for goodness sake. Give it a break. I just blocked another member for their blatant arrogance and disrespect, and now you come along as their heir. For crying out loud. This post is about a young lady who was evidently beaten to death. She was someone's sister. Someone's daughter. How are you bringing gender into this? We get it - you hate trans people and gay people. We get it, alright? You can be happy now. But I do request that you stop rubbing it in our faces. Take your transphobia somewhere else and stop derailing this thread.

[HzAbbas]

Well, an Iranian surgeon got hold of her CT scan & basically laid it out: there is no proof she was beaten. 

[khizarr]

4 hours ago, VoidVortex said:

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but a marja does not kill innocents and not every single thing that happens in Iran can be attributed to Sayed Khamenei. 

Iran's policy is not to kill innocents. Iran also can do things that are wrong, I am not saying it can't. Accusing sayed Khamenei as if he is responsible for this isn't reasonable. 

You've let him off the hook far too easily. And it happens all the time. It's as if Khamenei must himself kill a person or hire a hitman for the blame to ever fall on his shoulders.

 

Look, you have to assume responsibility for a lot of things when you hold power. Especially the kind of power that Khamenei holds (and no, don't give me some wishy washy paragraph of him being just a figurehead like Elizabeth II). No regime's policy is to kill people. Not even North Korea's. It's what the regime ends up becoming responsible for because of the culture and laws it creates over long periods of time. This regime (including Khamenei and people of the legislative branch) has created a culture, where you have morality patrol telling people how to cover their heads and whose hand to hold. Just think about it objectively and you'll realize how ridiculous that actually is. And when things go awry, we just want to blame that one bad apple instead of the years of policy making behind it. How long will this go on for before we realize the problem runs deeper than that?

Edited September 21, 2022 by khizarr

[khizarr]

9 minutes ago, HzAbbas said:

Well, an Iranian surgeon got hold of her CT scan & basically laid it out: there is no proof she was beaten. 

I think that scan was released by a hacktivist group. Others had different ideas about it: 

https://www.rferl.org/amp/iran-amini-death-head-injury-doctor/32042587.html

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202209195410

[Labyika ya Khamenei]

6 hours ago, GreenTree said:

Please learn to accept that whatever is happening in Iran, is wrong. Killing people for not having hejab is wrong. Please accept. Please don't say all news we have is from BBC or CNN. Please learn to honor the innocent people of Iran. You live in the west, and speak so firmly for the Iranian regime. Why not move to Iran? They will award you for your loyalty.  You cannot stop me. I will make many happy faces. This is not the Islamic Republic of Iran. 

You and Shah supporters, you have no respect for Sistani for comparing waliyat Al Fiqh Ayatollahs, they all same, do you compare 1 imam and other imam. Killing punishing what ever don't forget what imam mahdi will do, it will be a better place everyone will be wearing hijab 100% correct, he will bring back all shria laws, which some sharia laws no practiced today but he will bring back all the sharia laws, Torah laws etc. In your view it will be stricter, in my view and followers of the marja will be normal not strict. You choose follow shah and Western life or follow 1400 years of prophet time, basically do you want to waste your life for hell?

[starlight]

8 hours ago, Laayla said:

I'm actually surprised sister star you took the bait.  

A healthy 22 yr old just dropped dead?

[starlight]

8 hours ago, HzAbbas said:

Well, an Iranian surgeon got hold of her CT scan & basically laid it out: there is no proof she was beaten. 

Why was she bandaged and on vent?

[GreenTree]

1 hour ago, Labyika ya Khamenei said:

You and Shah supporters, you have no respect for Sistani for comparing waliyat Al Fiqh Ayatollahs, they all same, do you compare 1 imam and other imam. Killing punishing what ever don't forget what imam mahdi will do, it will be a better place everyone will be wearing hijab 100% correct, he will bring back all shria laws, which some sharia laws no practiced today but he will bring back all the sharia laws, Torah laws etc. In your view it will be stricter, in my view and followers of the marja will be normal not strict. You choose follow shah and Western life or follow 1400 years of prophet time, basically do you want to waste your life for hell?

1. Please don't disrespect Ayatollah Sistani. He doesn't allow morality police roaming around in Najaf and Karbala, harassing people. I hope Imam Mahdi comes soon. I want to see the day when Imam Mahdi dismisses the morality police. Around 18,000 Sheikhs had given fatwa to kill Imam Hussain. Please analyze all shia leaders, maybe some are okay with oppressing people. 

2. In your view, if a person doesn't have proper hejab, he/she must be killed, must be punished. I see, how fair your system is. May the karma befalls upon those people who agree with this injustice. I am sure y'all have some female relatives in your family. Let me know how it goes, when morality police tortures them.

3. What do you mean by Western life? really.. do you ride a horse around in your town or drive a car? Why do you wear western clothes, or use the internet?
Shia Islam is above your comparisons, and your support for the wrong that is going on in Iran. Please learn to accept that killing people over hejab is wrong. 
Shia islam is always with the oppressed, not with the oppressor.  May Allah curse all oppressors. Please read ziarate ashura and curse all oppressors everyday!!!

My grandmother cursed Saddam every Thursday night in a special Shia Nohe, and he went to hell a few years later. I recommend we all do the same for other oppressors, whoever they are. May they all go to hell. 

 

Edited September 21, 2022 by GreenTree

[Labyika ya Khamenei]

3 minutes ago, GreenTree said:

1. Please don't disrespect Ayatollah Sistani. He doesn't allow morality police roaming around in Najaf and Karbala, harassing people. I hope Imam Mahdi comes soon. I want to see the day when Imam Mahdi dismisses the morality police. Around 18,000 Sheikhs had given fatwa to kill Imam Hussain. Please analyze all shia leaders, maybe some are okay with oppressing people. 

2. In your view, if a person doesn't have proper hejab, he/she must be killed, must be punished. I see, how fair your system is. May the karma befalls upon those people who agree with this injustice. I am sure y'all have some female relatives in your family. Let me know how it goes, when morality police tortures them.

3. What do you mean by Western life? really.. do you ride a horse around in your town or drive a car? Why do you wear western clothes, or use the internet?
Shia Islam is above your comparisons, and your support for the wrong that is going on in Iran. Please learn to accept that killing people over hejab is wrong. 
Shia islam is always with the oppressed, not with the oppressor.  May Allah curse all oppressors. Please read ziarate ashura and curse all oppressors everyday!!!

My grandmother cursed Saddam every Thursday night in a special Shia Nohe, and he went to hell a few years later. I recommend we all do the same for other oppressors, whoever they are. May they all go to hell. 

 

If sistani was a supreme leader you probably wouldn't follow him because he follows the haq. When imam mahdi comes out,  him don't force the women with hijab

[GreenTree]

1 minute ago, Labyika ya Khamenei said:

If sistani was a supreme leader you probably wouldn't follow him because he follows the haq. When imam mahdi comes out,  him don't force the women with hijab

Please learn to accept that killing people over hejab is wrong. 
Shia islam is always with the oppressed, not with the oppressor. 

If you are a true momin, please accept killing innocent people is wrong. 

[Ibn al-Ibhrahim]

Honestly don't understand why this needs to be an international affair; no country is free of crimes especially of this nature, I don't understand why this has been blown into a global moment of injustice. People are quick to criticize Islamic leaders and their practice of the faith whenever something occurs in Iran but in secular nations its always the individual who's held responsible; ironic isn't it? That being said, it is of course wrong to kill someone over not wearing hijab, we cannot display such a rigid application of the faith especially if doing so comes at the expense of violating additional aspects of the faith.

Apparently CCTV footage was released and Mahsa was not beaten by any guards however, as shared above, there seem to be legitimate reasons to doubt this claim, perhaps a guard or two went on a power trip and conducted themselves in such a way that was not made permissible to them. Ultimately, the truth is with God; He is the all-knowing and all-wise who will handle all affairs with justice and mercy.

10 minutes ago, GreenTree said:

Shia islam is always with the oppressed, not with the oppressor. 

 

Either way, it would be wise if we refrain from making vague and shallow claims that are false both theologically and historically (in application). 

Lastly, I would not so arrogantly direct personal criticism towards Ayatollah Khamenei; we do not know what role, if any, he played in this specific event and how it unfolded. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, starlight said:

A healthy 22 yr old just dropped dead?

Salam according to her medical records she has had a serious tumor brain surgery in her childhood which he has been receiving strong drugs which she still has been under regular check .

1 hour ago, starlight said:

Why was she bandaged and on vent?

   A Surgery has done again on her after losing consciousness for coming out of coma which unfortunately it has been unsuccessful.

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, GreenTree said:

your support for the wrong that is going on in Iran. Please learn to accept that killing people over hejab is wrong.

Salam this thread has became a den of anti WF people just based on emotional comments by users who have been fooled by anti iran & anti Shai MSM propaganda which until now all of your accusations against Iran & Imam Khamenei is just repeating mouthpiece of Wahabists & Bahais & MKO terrorists against Iran & Shia muslims in social media .

[Diaz]

10 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

alam according to her medical records she has had a serious tumor brain surgery in her childhood which he has been receiving strong drugs which she still has been under regular check .

But her father or her mother said she never had any medical issues, why would they lie?

Edited September 21, 2022 by Diaz

[3wliya_maryam]

15 hours ago, Laayla said:

Since this is coming from you sister, I can have a reasonable conversation with you.

Where are you getting your news from in Pakistan?

Are your sources a) social media b) MSM c)alternative media d) state TV?

Sister, you are well versed of what happened to Rasoul Allah's family after the massacre of Imam Hussain 3la salam.

The power of media and propaganda changes people's perception and opinions.  You are no fool and not easily swayed, so how were you able to come to the conclusion she was beaten to death?

Just like the people of Sham accused Sayyida Zaynab and Imam Zein al 3beeden as Khawraj,  they had no idea who they were and what happened on the plain of Karbala.

So what makes you think CNN, NYT, BBC, or any Western outlet is reporting the truth?

I'm actually surprised sister star you took the bait.  

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN ALLAH 

Okay Irani supremacist. This is such a contradictory statement, and makes no sense whatsoever. 

[3wliya_maryam]

2 hours ago, Labyika ya Khamenei said:

You and Shah supporters, you have no respect for Sistani for comparing waliyat Al Fiqh Ayatollahs, they all same, do you compare 1 imam and other imam. Killing punishing what ever don't forget what imam mahdi will do, it will be a better place everyone will be wearing hijab 100% correct, he will bring back all shria laws, which some sharia laws no practiced today but he will bring back all the sharia laws, Torah laws etc. In your view it will be stricter, in my view and followers of the marja will be normal not strict. You choose follow shah and Western life or follow 1400 years of prophet time, basically do you want to waste your life for hell?

Imam Mahdi (ajf) will rid the oppressors, including the ones that oppress and murder women because they're not wearing the hijab properly and enforce religion onto others. 

Two Irani marjas have actually spoken against such a crime, and have condemned the so called morality police.

[GreenTree]

We don't need a rocket scientist to distinguish between right and wrong, whether any ayatollahs condemn it or not. It is common sense. Killing anyone over hejab, forcing people how to live life - all are wrong. Shia islam is against oppression. In fact we are encouraged to curse the oppressor by reciting zeirate ashura.  

I am surprised that People here cannot accept that killing a human over hejab is wrong and against Islam. Please learn to accept! 

[khizarr]

45 minutes ago, Diaz said:

why would they lie?

I saw a tweet about this and a wannabe-Iranian remarked that the parents were probably ignorant of their 22-year old's health and were made aware of it only after she suffered the alleged "heart attack" and died. It's just so convenient, isn't it? They pull out excuses from their pockets like coins. A young lady is taken into custody and happens to have a heart attack while at the detention center, or the "guidance center" as they probably call it there, and collapses to death. All the forces of the universe combine and a perfectly healthy individual, who never complained about having any medical issues, is suddenly having a heart attack and goes braindead. Also has disfigurements. 

It's just disturbing to see some people here going to great lengths to defend a clear event of crime. Our fitrah points towards justice, and we're quite lucky to even have the extra layer of deen on top of our fitrah. A deen that stands upon justice. Yet still, some of us continue to resist it. Unfortunately, considering Iran's track record on human rights, there's a high chance Mahsa Amini's parents will never receive justice for their daughter. I saw the video of her mother grieving and it was absolutely heart-wrenching to watch. But the Iranians are a free and intelligent people, and for the past few days, many of them have shown that they will never hand their approval over to this sort of heinous totalitarianism. 

It's a spark of hope.

Edited September 21, 2022 by khizarr

[Ashvazdanghe]

31 minutes ago, Diaz said:

But her father or her mother said she never had any medical issues, why would they lie?

Salam they have been under emotional stress of denial of everything bad about their child which any parent shows after death of their children which some people have misused from their tragic situation for spreading false news which at first her maternal uncle has claimed that she never had any medical issue which  after that anti Iran media extended this claim to her parents.

[Eddie Mecca]

'Iran Is The De Facto Leader of the Resistance to Israeli and US Hegemony' (George Galloway & Richard Medhurst) 14 min. 

 

[علوي]

Didn't read the whole thread, because I don't have hours to spare, but these are my thoughts.

First possibility is what the West is saying; that Iranian police beat Mahsa Amini to death because she wasn't wearing hijab. If - and only if - Ms Amini was beaten and deliberately killed by the Iranian police force, then this is obviously un-Islamic and should be condemned. However, in this case, it is quite clear that Iranian President Ebrahim Raeisi, who ordered a probe into the incident, was not in support of it, nor was Imam Khamenei (ha), whose aide offered condolences to Ms Amini's family. 

Another possibility is what the police are saying; that she died of 'heart failure'. This seems reasonable considering the video published by PressTV on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1571443011816415232?s=20&t=ZMOlGV-gpwpCo5go0fBL3w

Furthermore, we read on Iran International:

Quote

[Mahsa Amini's] uncle said on Thursday that his niece’s heart was not functioning properly and her kidneys had failed, adding that her doctors told the family that they cannot do anything for her. 

The third possibility is that it was staged by the West. Not far-fetched, they've done things like this before. Imagine how the US is feeling right now. "Yes, Iranians are revolting against this Khamenei. This will weaken Iran and start civil unrest." Americans would be gloating over this story. Of course there is no proof for this. 

Anyway, even if the police killed Mahsa Amini, it won't stop my love for Imam Khamenei (ha). Why? Because the good of the Islamic Revolution far outweighs the bad. Even if there are some mistakes here and there - some things not all maraj'e agree with - doesn't take much away from the Revolution. Yes, the 'Guidance Police' do need major reform, perhaps it should even be abolished, but the Islamic Revolution should continue until the reappearance of Imam al-Muntazar, (عجّل الله تعالى فرجه الشريف) inshallah. 

[GreenTree]

6 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam they have been under emotional stress of denial of everything bad about their child which any parent shows after death of their children which some people have misused from their tragic situation for spreading false news which at first her maternal uncle has claimed that she never had any medical issue which  after that anti Iran media extended this claim to her parents.

And I suppose morality police had been there to give her a free ice cream ? Like they have been doing for the last many years, just killing innocent people, torturing people, forcing people to abide by their rules, their specified way of life! 

[Ashvazdanghe]

8 minutes ago, khizarr said:

It's a spark of hope.

You just will see destruction of Iran in your wet dreams after watching of propaganda of Whabists & Bahais & MKO terrorists in similar fashion of your dream about legalizing LGBT .

Quote

Mehsa's uncle Amini razed Komala to the ground

After Mehsa Amini's death, some Kurdish anti-revolutionary groups, including Komala, tried to make political use of this young girl's death. Mehsa Amini's uncle told the media that some people and groups want to ethnicize Mehsa's death and beat the drum. They are calling for separation and we are completely against this issue. We do not have an ethnic view of Mahsa's death and if someone wants to ethnicize the issue, we will tell them that you are 100% wrong. Our family is the family of Iran and we do not have such an ethnic view. In the last few days, we saw that people from different cities from south to north, east and west sympathized with us and considered themselves as our family.

 

Uncle of Mahsa says, "I am saying on behalf of the family that we are Kurds and we will not be separated from the people of Iran, and all of Iran is our family. Our family follows  the literature of Ferdowsi, Molavi, Saadi, Hafez, Shahriar, and all the famous Iranians of the earth, Persians, Arabs, and Turks." We are one nation.

Mahsa's uncle razed  Komala and Maryam Rajavi to the ground

Mahsa Amini's uncle says that if I were an Azeri, I would speak the same language. Language is just a link. We live in the same soil and our soil is sacred to us. From the big and small of our family, we admit that we Iranians are one in every language and every belief. We think that Mahsa belongs to all Iranian people more than it belongs to us.

 

He added: "This point is also very important that the audience is not from an ethnic point of view, and perhaps there are people in government positions who are fueling this issue, but the Iranian people's concerns are other issues and they are united and unified. »

https://shaboneh.com/دایی-مهسا-امینی-کومله-و-مریم-رجوی-را-با/

 

[Diaz]

27 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam they have been under emotional stress of denial of everything bad about their child which any parent shows after death of their children which some people have misused from their tragic situation for spreading false news which at first her maternal uncle has claimed that she never had any medical issue which  after that anti Iran media extended this claim to her parents.

I’m so sorry brother, but I’m not going to believe something like this without any proof or evidence.  What do you mean by “everything bad about their child”? Having a tumors is not something to be ashamed off. 
 

29 minutes ago, khizarr said:

I saw a tweet about this and a wannabe-Iranian remarked that the parents were probably ignorant of their 22-year old's health and were made aware of it only after she suffered the alleged "heart attack" and died. It's just so convenient, isn't it? They pull out excuses from their pockets like coins. A young lady is taken into custody and happens to have a heart attack while at the detention center, or the "guidance center" as they probably call it there, and collapses to death. All the forces of the universe combine and a perfectly healthy individual, who never complained about having any medical issues, is suddenly having a heart attack and goes braindead. Also has disfigurements. 

It's just disturbing to see some people here going to great lengths to defend a clear event of crime. Our fitrah points towards justice, and we're quite lucky to even have the extra layer of deen on top of our fitrah. A deen that stands upon justice. Yet still, some of us continue to resist it. Unfortunately, considering Iran's track record regarding human rights, there's a high chance Mahsa's parents will never receive justice for their daughter. But the Iranians are a free and intelligent people, and for the past few days, many of them have shown that they will never hand their approval over to this sort of heinous totalitarianism. 

It's a spark of hope.

You still don’t know what’s happening over here in the place where I live. Pro Iran who are not Iranian are accusing masha, saying  that she is spreading corruption because of the way how she dress. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Diaz

[Ashvazdanghe]

Just now, GreenTree said:

And I suppose morality police had been there to give her a free ice cream ? Like they have been doing for the last many years, just killing innocent people, torturing people, forcing people to abide by their rules, their specified way of life! 

I don't support morality police but on the other hand your baseless accusation against iran is just based on propaganda of Whabists & Bahais & MKO terroristsWahabists against Iran .

[GreenTree]

3 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

'Iran Is The De Facto Leader of the Resistance to Israeli and US Hegemony' (George Galloway & Richard Medhurst) 14 min. 

 

Every country can be the mix of many things, why is it so hard to accept that there is morality police in iran? Morality police that punishes people for not wearing hejab properly. 

Not everything is connected to Israel.