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Mahsa Amini, 22-year old Iranian, dies after morality police arrest

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Guess i should take your word for it...

I heard raesi himself was there and beat her up too.

 

YouTube: walk in Tehran, you can see several women walking without their hijabs, clearly not in a coma nor dead.

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1 hour ago, Guest Think said:

YouTube: walk in Tehran, you can see several women walking without their hijabs, clearly not in a coma nor dead.

Well, this wasn't the first time something as barbaric as this has happened, even in a place like Tehran. It'll be someone else next month, unfortunately.

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4 minutes ago, khizarr said:

Well, this wasn't the first time something as barbaric as this has happened, even in a place like Tehran. It'll be someone else next month, unfortunately.

So what if its not first time? It is an condemned action that does not belong to the rules of moral police. It is literally haram to do such a things and need to be put in court. 

 

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5 minutes ago, VoidVortex said:

i saw the video, she collapsed in a room with a lot of other women. i saw her collapse and being taken to an ambulance. 

is there a credible source for her being beaten up

im in tehran right now, you only have to go north tehran to see many women who are wearing their hijab not properly, the same or a little more or less than Mahsa Amini. if these claims of being beaten up were true, and the iranian government acted in this way, what stops them from going to north tehran and doing what they are being accused of

It is hard to take western sources that seriously but it also does not mean that this action could not happened. If it happened by moral police then it is surely is wrong. 

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39 minutes ago, VoidVortex said:

is there a credible source for her being beaten up

From Iran itself? You'll go about as far as IranWire and this is part of what they reported from a variety of other reports:

"IranWire spoke to three doctors about this. All three were emphatic that a “stroke”, which is what doctors at Kasra Hospital told the family she had suffered, could not cause this level of discoloring or external bleeding by itself. It indicates instead that Mahsa was struck to the head.

This picture suggests a scalp base fracture,” one of the three told IranWire. “It manifests as ecchymosis [blood collecting under the skin] around both eyes, called ‘raccoon eyes’, or on one or both ears."

Mahsa's brother, Kiarash, reported that Mahsa was an otherwise healthy adult, and that he witnessed Mahsa's face as swollen, disfigured, and her legs bruised after her "moral lesson". He also relayed that he saw her head being banged against the van that the authorities were pushing her in. Apparently he was also tear gassed. Bruising under the eyes and bleeding from the ears is a sign of severe head trauma, not a heart attack or tripping over in a van or a room.

39 minutes ago, VoidVortex said:

if these claims of being beaten up were true, and the iranian government acted in this way, what stops them from going to north tehran and doing what they are being accused of

Nothing stops them. As I said, today it was this young woman, tomorrow it will be someone else. Authorities don't need to march up to North Tehran and start arresting hundreds and hundreds of people to make a point. There will be too much backlash. Oppression often takes place in steps. 

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3 hours ago, Andaros said:

It looks like she was a Kurd. There will be consequences.

Salaams, I've seen a lot of this happening lately..on top Prince Charles quoting the Holy Quran also many non muslims posting "Putin takes side with Islam"... no one is talking about this and it makes me restless at night!

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5 hours ago, VoidVortex said:

i saw the video, she collapsed in a room with a lot of other women. i saw her collapse and being taken to an ambulance. 

is there a credible source for her being beaten up

im in tehran right now, you only have to go north tehran to see many women who are wearing their hijab not properly, the same or a little more or less than Mahsa Amini. if these claims of being beaten up were true, and the iranian government acted in this way, what stops them from going to north tehran and doing what they are being accused of

Well, one apparent benefit to them in only engaging in such brutality once in awhile rather than in some massive, unmistakable surge, is that it gives space to apologists to muddy and deny on the basis of such thinking. As we see here. 

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4 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

What is way more than 'ironic' about this particular source is that when I was at Hajj in 2016, I saw with my own eyes, women in Saudi being beaten for showing their lower legs. This was in the Holy City of Mecca btw. These 'morality police' in Saudi are well known for being very brutal. So it's kind of a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I guess when this happens in Iran, then it's a horrific crime and crime against humanity but when the exact same thing happens in Saudi, it's just police enforcing the law. It is wrong in either case, btw, if it actually happened.

And, you know, it's also quite ironic that Shi'as will rush to defend Iran and not believe in anything until "credible evidence" is presented (which to them is probably Iranian or Russian media), but if a similar act of violence is carried out in Saudi Arabia, the same Shi'as will put their hands up and blame everything on "Wahabbism" and the Saudi kingdom. I mean, why do you not hold Iran to that same standard? Why is it that you need some kind of special evidence for these sort of happenings in Iran, but not for Saudi Arabia? 

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11 minutes ago, khizarr said:

And, you know, it's also quite ironic that Shi'as will rush to defend Iran and not believe in anything until "credible evidence" is presented (which to them is probably Iranian or Russian media), but if a similar act of violence is carried out in Saudi Arabia, the same Shi'as will put their hands up and blame everything on "Wahabbism" and the Saudi kingdom. I mean, why do you not hold Iran to that same standard? Why is it that you need some kind of special evidence for these sort of happenings in Iran, but not for Saudi Arabia? 

It is not about special evidence, but about reliable and verifiable evidence. And even if we found such an evidence, what is the benefit such an knowledge to ourselves. 

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We all knew as soon as she was identified as a Kurd there would be consequences, and will exacerbate existing tensions (not just with the Kurds).

The story that has gained traction is that she was beaten, including about the head, while being transported, causing a brain injury which eventually resulted in her death.

Predictable responses in Saqqez, Sanandaj etc. and Terhan being posted on social media.

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On 9/16/2022 at 2:26 PM, khizarr said:

From Iran itself? You'll go about as far as IranWire and this is part of what they reported from a variety of other reports:

"IranWire spoke to three doctors about this. All three were emphatic that a “stroke”, which is what doctors at Kasra Hospital told the family she had suffered, could not cause this level of discoloring or external bleeding by itself. It indicates instead that Mahsa was struck to the head.

Salam we don't deny tragic death of her due to some mistreatments anyway whole of your so called information has been based from  Iran Wire which  is not from Iran which everybody knows that IranWire is running by notorious anti-Iran & anti Shia  propagandist from America which it's just a source of anti Iran & anti Shia propganda without any reliable or solid evidences which it's so called evidences has only created by imagination of ill minded people in IranWire without having any reliable source which as usual both of you & @kadhim have jumped on wrong conclusion from both of  infamous & totally unreliable sources againt iran  just  because of your grudge against Iran due to your disease in your hearts.

On 9/16/2022 at 7:56 PM, kadhim said:

Well, one apparent benefit to them in only engaging in such brutality once in awhile rather than in some massive, unmistakable surge, is that it gives space to apologists to muddy and deny on the basis of such thinking. As we see here. 

 

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Doubt is a serious disease

It is stated in the Holy Quran:

And as for those in whose hearts is a disease, it (signs of Allah) adds uncleanness to their uncleanness (disease of doubt) and they die while they are unbelievers.[208]

Doubt is a kind of blindness. A blind man remains doubtful of those things also which are just spread around him because he does not see them.

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Doubt is a sign of the disease of heart

The sign of the soundness of a man's heart is that he is sure and confident about the truth being correct and falsehood being incorrect and is in the position of knowledge and conviction, while the sign of the disease of the heart with respect to understanding truth and falsehood is that there is suspense and doubt regarding the rightfulness of truth and the refutation of falsehood.

Amirul Momineen Ali ((عليه السلام).) in one of his sermons says, “Do not become prey to wavering (suspense), otherwise your doubt will become strong and do not get entangled in doubt, otherwise you will become an infidel.”

Fourth Disease: Doubt | Qalbe-Saleem, Immaculate Conscience | Al-Islam.org

Doubt is a sign of the disease of heart (erfan.ir)

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7 hours ago, Andaros said:

We all knew as soon as she was identified as a Kurd there would be consequences, and will exacerbate existing tensions (not just with the Kurds).

The story that has gained traction is that she was beaten, including about the head, while being transported, causing a brain injury which eventually resulted in her death.

Predictable responses in Saqqez, Sanandaj etc. and Terhan being posted on social media.

Salam it doesn't relate to her ethnicity or birthplace  but on the other hand  It's just making too much noise & propaganda & misinformation by fake accounts of  MKO terrorists plus some PanKurd terrorist groups likewise Pejak & PKK  which in any similar situation to this , they become too much active about spreading hatred & propganda in social Media in name of Kurds which  fake accounts of  MKO terrorists have had more share about spreading these wrong information & abusive words based on their usual propganda  doctrine against Iran for spreading false news & propganda in hope of causing unrest in border cities so then causing instability in whole of Iran .

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On 9/17/2022 at 7:10 AM, HzAbbas said:

Thats because we live here, you don't. 

I work with an entire office of women (40-50) who don't cover properly, and most have been picked up at some point by the morality Police. Despite them being annoyed about the experience, none of them have been assaulted or slapped, and even know exactly the Station this woman was taken to in Tehran.

A month ago it was a video of a woman allegedly being thrown from a moving Police van. Then when video evidence came out disproving this,  these stories conventiently disappeared from BBC and IranInternational. 

Well, I mean the people reporting experiencing these things live there too, so what kind of response is that? Look, I’ve been hearing reports of these sorts of abuses steadily, drip by drip, going back 20 years now. And always the same parade of dismissals and conspiracy theory and excuses. It becomes statistically absurd after awhile—unless you’re a hardcore ideologue who psychologically needs these sorts of stories to be false—to continue to take seriously the idea that it’s all made up.

As Ashgoshbegosh sort of inadvertently own-goaled above, at some point doubt becomes a sickness of heart. 

If you really love Iran as a country and want it to be the shining example you wish it to be in your imagination, then that means being honest, calling out the bad and the awful, and fixing it. 

 

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54 minutes ago, kadhim said:

Well, I mean the people reporting experiencing these things live there too, so what kind of response is that? Look, I’ve been hearing reports of these sorts of abuses steadily, drip by drip, going back 20 years now. And always the same parade of dismissals and conspiracy theory and excuses. It becomes statistically absurd after awhile—unless you’re a hardcore ideologue who psychologically needs these sorts of stories to be false—to continue to take seriously the idea that it’s all made up.

As Ashgoshbegosh sort of inadvertently own-goaled above, at some point doubt becomes a sickness of heart. 

If you really love Iran as a country and want it to be the shining example you wish it to be in your imagination, then that means being honest, calling out the bad and the awful, and fixing it. 

 

I never denied abuses happen, I just exercise healthy scepticism when it the accusations also come from the same nonsense outlets intent om regime change.

I'm not a doctor, but my work relates directly to the medical field & have I seen with my own eyes the victims of acid attacks & extreme physical abuse - both of which are still serious problems, despite us changing the laws to severely punish them.

I live under no illusion to our social problems , but I do not believe systematic abuse by Police is one of them.

Can it happen? Yes. Does it happen? Probably. But not nearly the extent they are saying it does. And if it did happen I would 100% be in favour of the maximum punishment.

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8 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

just  because of your grudge against Iran due to your disease in your hearts.

Thank you for diagnosing me. If I ever get caught by Iranian authorities and end up in the hospital, they can just resort to the 'underlying medical condition' excuse once again! They did the same with Haleh Sahabi, Sayyed Sattar, and now Mahsa Amini. Need I say more?

Also, many people on shiachat have brought this up to you, but you need to tone it down with the ego. You are not the shadow of Allah upon Earth. You have zero idea what is inside someone else's heart. Alright? If there is one thing you want to take away from Islam, it's humility. This is the last time I'm reaching out to you, but if you persist with the arrogance, I will simply block you. 
 

 

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13 hours ago, khizarr said:

Also, many people on shiachat have brought this up to you, but you need to tone it down with the ego. You are not the shadow of Allah upon Earth. You have zero idea what is inside someone else's heart. Alright? If there is one thing you want to take away from Islam, it's humility. This is the last time I'm reaching out to you, but if you persist with the arrogance, I will simply block you. 

Salam lol only you & @kadhim have said it about me which you consider yourselves as many people  :D

I have not claimed that I'm shadow of Allah upon on earth which your claim about me is insulting to Allah by you .

I have not judge you base on what is in your's heart but on the other hand apparently everyone can see your cooperation with @kadhim about normalizing LGBT & other anti Iran political movement likewise supporting green movement which your above statement about "Haleh Sahabi, Sayyed Sattar" is just baseless claims o green movement which has been supported by America & Israel against Iran.

Anyone needs to take humility from Islam because insimilar fashion you & 2kadhim have used abusive words against everyone who has opposed you .

Feel free to block me because we are totally opposit of each other which you don't tolerate anyone who opposes your baseless claims.

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam lol only you & @kadhim have said it about me which you consider yourselves as many people  :D

No, actually, I can vividly remember a member by the name of Kenneth, as well as a moderator calling you out for this same exact reason on another post in which you were casually sending people to hell. Unlike you, I will not diagnose you, but I just want to point out that there is very consistent pattern of boastful remarks coming from your end. Maybe focus on improving yourself on that?

 

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

I have not claimed that I'm shadow of Allah upon on earth which your claim about me is insulting to Allah by you

Well no, Sherlock. Obviously you weren't going to come on a Muslim site and "claim" that; but your behavior is seriously impertinent and this is something you need to catch within yourself and put to rest before you spill it out in your word salad time and time again. And remember, practice makes perfect.

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

I have not judge you base on what is in your's heart

That is basically what you did, no? What else does "you hold a grudge against Iran due to a disease in your heart" mean? I mean, I'm not offended by your comment, it passed over my head and dropped straight into the bin where it belongs. But it's quite bold, and yet strange, for you to say something like that to someone who you don't know the first thing about.

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

but on the other hand apparently everyone can see your cooperation with @kadhim about normalizing LGBT & other anti Iran political movement likewise supporting green movement which your above statement about "Haleh Sahabi, Sayyed Sattar" is just baseless claims o green movement which has been supported by America & Israel against Iran.

This is just hilarious. I really have nothing to say to this one. You win, my friend. 
 

 

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Anyone needs to take humility from Islam because insimilar fashion you & 2kadhim have used abusive words against everyone who has opposed you .

Another accusation. Except this time my entire comment history is displayed on my profile and everyone can see exactly what "abusive words" I have chosen to put out here.

Tough luck.

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Feel free to block me because we are totally opposit of each other which you don't tolerate anyone who opposes your baseless claims.

*yawns*
 

Will do.

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1 hour ago, khizarr said:

No, actually, I can vividly remember a member by the name of Kenneth, as well as a moderator calling you out for this same exact reason on another post in which you were casually sending people to hell. Unlike you, I will not diagnose you, but I just want to point out that there is very consistent pattern of boastful remarks coming from your end. Maybe focus on improving yourself on that?

 

1 hour ago, khizarr said:

Well no, Sherlock. Obviously you weren't going to come on a Muslim site and "claim" that; but your behavior is seriously impertinent and this is something you need to catch within yourself and put to rest before you spill it out in your word salad time and time again. And remember, practice makes perfect.

 

Yeah , I need more practice about being patient :cool:anyway I have been right which at the end all anyone from users who have received my boastful remarks has banned by Admins due to showing  their real color .

1 hour ago, khizarr said:

That is basically what you did, no? What else does "you hold a grudge against Iran due to a disease in your heart" mean? I mean, I'm not offended by your comment, it passed over my head and dropped straight into the bin where it belongs. But it's quite bold, and yet strange, for you to say something like that to someone who you don't know the first thing about.

Anytime that a thread is about supporting LGBT or criticizing Iran both of you & @kadhim are most active user for supporting LGBT or criticizing Iran due to burst in your heart & mind .

 

1 hour ago, khizarr said:

Another accusation. Except this time my entire comment history is displayed on my profile and everyone can see exactly what "abusive words" I have chosen to put out here.

clearly @Abu Hadi multiple times has provided most logical answers which both of you have responded him with most rude & abusive words.

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Yesterday a Women Mahsa Amini was Arrested by Irani Moral Police and she probably died in Jail.

What are your thoughts on this? Don't you think forcing Hijab to this extent where someone is arrested and punished is wrong.

Shouldn't Rehber raise his voice against this law..

I thought this only happens in Saud who ruined Islam with their dumb Saudi ideologies

What are your thoughts as huge protests have started in Iran against govt and probably Rehber Khomenei too

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https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/19/mahsa-amini-iran-protests-enter-third-day-after-kurdish-womans-death-in-custody

The head of Iran’s morality police has reportedly been suspended from his post as protests swept across Iran for a third day over the killing of a 22-year-old Kurdish woman who was detained by the police after being accused of not wearing the hijab appropriately.”

I dish it out hard—as anyone who actually believes in justice should do—but I’m fair, so I also give credit where credit is due. Good to see some sort of accountability. 

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Allah yirhamha... and may Allah give patience to her family. Truly heart breaking.

I don't understand why anyone would doubt this happening. This truly is not the first time such a crime has occurred nor will it be the last. Like HELLO WAKE UP. Irani regime has been abusing women of not wearing the headscarves for years, and the fact that people deny such events from happening honestly baffle me. Stop sympathising these officials and leaders who have done nothing but cause fitna and hatred amongst Muslims. The evidence is already there, but people still beat around the bush. 

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Hello CIA bot,

Thanks for stopping by to get the latest opinions of the Shias.

Are you sure Mahsa is a woman?  Because I don't know if she identifies as a woman.

BTW, define what a woman is?

Were you able to see the CCTV video that was released?  Oh no, you can't because that shows the truth and we can't have that displayed on MSM, because that's against your imperialistic agenda.

 

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2 hours ago, Laayla said:

Hello CIA bot,

Thanks for stopping by to get the latest opinions of the Shias.

Are you sure Mahsa is a woman?  Because I don't know if she identifies as a woman.

BTW, define what a woman is?

Were you able to see the CCTV video that was released?  Oh no, you can't because that shows the truth and we can't have that displayed on MSM, because that's against your imperialistic agenda.

 

???? Sorry?

Regardless of ones gender or religious practices , a human was beaten to death. 

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