Mahsa Amini, 22-year old Iranian, dies after morality police arrest

[khizarr]

https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/News/middle-east/2022/09/16/Iranian-woman-beaten-by-police-for-not-wearing-hijab-dies-after-coma
 

Utterly disgusting.

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by khizarr

[Guest Think]

Guess i should take your word for it...

I heard raesi himself was there and beat her up too.

 

YouTube: walk in Tehran, you can see several women walking without their hijabs, clearly not in a coma nor dead.

[khizarr]

1 hour ago, Guest Think said:

YouTube: walk in Tehran, you can see several women walking without their hijabs, clearly not in a coma nor dead.

Well, this wasn't the first time something as barbaric as this has happened, even in a place like Tehran. It'll be someone else next month, unfortunately.

[Abu Nur]

4 minutes ago, khizarr said:

Well, this wasn't the first time something as barbaric as this has happened, even in a place like Tehran. It'll be someone else next month, unfortunately.

So what if its not first time? It is an condemned action that does not belong to the rules of moral police. It is literally haram to do such a things and need to be put in court. 

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Abu Nur

[VoidVortex]

i saw the video, she collapsed in a room with a lot of other women. i saw her collapse and being taken to an ambulance. 

is there a credible source for her being beaten up

im in tehran right now, you only have to go north tehran to see many women who are wearing their hijab not properly, the same or a little more or less than Mahsa Amini. if these claims of being beaten up were true, and the iranian government acted in this way, what stops them from going to north tehran and doing what they are being accused of

[Abu Nur]

5 minutes ago, VoidVortex said:

i saw the video, she collapsed in a room with a lot of other women. i saw her collapse and being taken to an ambulance. 

is there a credible source for her being beaten up

im in tehran right now, you only have to go north tehran to see many women who are wearing their hijab not properly, the same or a little more or less than Mahsa Amini. if these claims of being beaten up were true, and the iranian government acted in this way, what stops them from going to north tehran and doing what they are being accused of

It is hard to take western sources that seriously but it also does not mean that this action could not happened. If it happened by moral police then it is surely is wrong. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Abu Nur

[khizarr]

39 minutes ago, VoidVortex said:

is there a credible source for her being beaten up

From Iran itself? You'll go about as far as IranWire and this is part of what they reported from a variety of other reports:

"IranWire spoke to three doctors about this. All three were emphatic that a “stroke”, which is what doctors at Kasra Hospital told the family she had suffered, could not cause this level of discoloring or external bleeding by itself. It indicates instead that Mahsa was struck to the head.

This picture suggests a scalp base fracture,” one of the three told IranWire. “It manifests as ecchymosis [blood collecting under the skin] around both eyes, called ‘raccoon eyes’, or on one or both ears."

Mahsa's brother, Kiarash, reported that Mahsa was an otherwise healthy adult, and that he witnessed Mahsa's face as swollen, disfigured, and her legs bruised after her "moral lesson". He also relayed that he saw her head being banged against the van that the authorities were pushing her in. Apparently he was also tear gassed. Bruising under the eyes and bleeding from the ears is a sign of severe head trauma, not a heart attack or tripping over in a van or a room.

39 minutes ago, VoidVortex said:

if these claims of being beaten up were true, and the iranian government acted in this way, what stops them from going to north tehran and doing what they are being accused of

Nothing stops them. As I said, today it was this young woman, tomorrow it will be someone else. Authorities don't need to march up to North Tehran and start arresting hundreds and hundreds of people to make a point. There will be too much backlash. Oppression often takes place in steps. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by khizarr

[Andaros]

It looks like she was a Kurd. There will be consequences.

[Real_313i.A]

3 hours ago, Andaros said:

It looks like she was a Kurd. There will be consequences.

Salaams, I've seen a lot of this happening lately..on top Prince Charles quoting the Holy Quran also many non muslims posting "Putin takes side with Islam"... no one is talking about this and it makes me restless at night!

[kadhim]

5 hours ago, VoidVortex said:

i saw the video, she collapsed in a room with a lot of other women. i saw her collapse and being taken to an ambulance. 

is there a credible source for her being beaten up

im in tehran right now, you only have to go north tehran to see many women who are wearing their hijab not properly, the same or a little more or less than Mahsa Amini. if these claims of being beaten up were true, and the iranian government acted in this way, what stops them from going to north tehran and doing what they are being accused of

Well, one apparent benefit to them in only engaging in such brutality once in awhile rather than in some massive, unmistakable surge, is that it gives space to apologists to muddy and deny on the basis of such thinking. As we see here. 

[HzAbbas]

10 hours ago, kadhim said:

Well, one apparent benefit to them in only engaging in such brutality once in awhile rather than in some massive, unmistakable surge, is that it gives space to apologists to muddy and deny on the basis of such thinking. As we see here. 

Thats because we live here, you don't. 

I work with an entire office of women (40-50) who don't cover properly, and most have been picked up at some point by the morality Police. Despite them being annoyed about the experience, none of them have been assaulted or slapped, and even know exactly the Station this woman was taken to in Tehran.

A month ago it was a video of a woman allegedly being thrown from a moving Police van. Then when video evidence came out disproving this,  these stories conventiently disappeared from BBC and IranInternational. 

[Abu Hadi]

Obviously if she was struck in this way, whoever did this should be dismissed from their post and punished to the fullest extent of the law. It is hard to know what actually happened, since the source you quoted , alarabiya.net, is owned by Saudi Prince Abdulaziz bin Fahd, a notorious anti-Iran propagandist. Look it up. Google 'alarabiya.net who owns'. You can see for yourself. So I will take this report with ten grains of salt. At the same time, if it really happened then the above applies. We first need to find out what are the actual facts of the case before we rush to judgement. I'm sure there is an official investigation going on right now. 

What is way more than 'ironic' about this particular source is that when I was at Hajj in 2016, I saw with my own eyes, women in Saudi being beaten for showing their lower legs. This was in the Holy City of Mecca btw. These 'morality police' in Saudi are well known for being very brutal. So it's kind of a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I guess when this happens in Iran, then it's a horrific crime and crime against humanity but when the exact same thing happens in Saudi, it's just police enforcing the law. It is wrong in either case, btw, if it actually happened.

There is nothing in Islam which allows a muslim (whether they are police or not) to attack, physically, another muslim (or non muslim) because of their clothing, or lack of it. There are other ways this is dealt with. BTW,  I know many brothers and sister who live and have lived in Iran. They said violation of the hijab rule will get you a ticket, like a traffic ticket in this US, which is a civil, not criminal case, and you can go to the local govt office and pay a fine. So this is not how the hijab rule is enforced in Iran, based on many credible accounts I have heard. 

At the same time, what is interesting is how the story has so much traction (it is now being reported by many other sources including BBC, CBS, etc) when similar things happen every single day in the US, mostly to poor people who are African American or other ethnicities. Very, very seldom makes international news. Maybe because a hijab isn't involved. Maybe it's just because it's some young kid standing on the corner waiting for the bus and a police drives by and thinks the boy gave him the finger and beats him senseless. But no hijab involved, no anti Iran angle to it, so it doesn't get reported. Hmmm, weird. 

 

Edited September 17, 2022 by Abu Hadi

[Abu Hadi]

56 minutes ago, HzAbbas said:

A month ago it was a video of a woman allegedly being thrown from a moving Police van. Then when video evidence came out disproving this,  these stories conventiently disappeared from BBC and IranInternational. 

It disappeared like many other stories about Iran for the same reason. Outlets like BBC, CBS (in the US), CNN, etc, have very few sources in Iran like they do in other countries. The ones they do have are mostly 'Western' obsessed sycophants who will tell them anything they want to hear, and they want to hear anti IRI things because they are told to get those from their editors.  These 'sources' will make up stories and report them as facts. Then, when something comes out from an Iranian source or another source that is less biased completely disproving the made up story and showing it as false, then the stories will disappear. The purpose has already been accomplished, to show the government of Iran as a barbaric regime. The Western consumers of this media rarely, if ever, look at the follow up story that disproves the original story, because this is not reported in the West. Most people never look past the end of their own nose. That is the main problem. 

In the old days, when people actually had a printed copy of the original story, the new outlet had to issue a retraction, because people had evidence that the original story existed. Now with digital media, they can simply delete the original story from their server, and noone, or at least most people, will have no evidence that it ever actually existed. News outlets, in general, are playing much more 'fast and loose' with the facts in the digital era vs. the former era of printed newspapers. In the old days, if something was widely reported (by many news outlets), it meant that it was probably true and had been verified by objective facts. Today, just because something is widely reported, doesn't necessarily mean it's true, because the story can simply be 'deleted' from these sources, and then it's gone. That was much harder to do with print media. 

Edited September 17, 2022 by Abu Hadi

[HzAbbas]

1 hour ago, Abu Hadi said:

It disappeared like many other stories about Iran for the same reason. Outlets like BBC, CBS (in the US), CNN, etc, have very few sources in Iran like they do in other countries. The ones they do have are mostly 'Western' obsessed sycophants who will tell them anything they want to hear, and they want to hear anti IRI things because they are told to get those from their editors.  These 'sources' will make up stories and report them as facts. Then, when something comes out from an Iranian source or another source that is less biased completely disproving the made up story and showing it as false, then the stories will disappear. The purpose has already been accomplished, to show the government of Iran as a barbaric regime. The Western consumers of this media rarely, if ever, look at the follow up story that disproves the original story, because this is not reported in the West. Most people never look past the end of their own nose. That is the main problem. 

In the old days, when people actually had a printed copy of the original story, the new outlet had to issue a retraction, because people had evidence that the original story existed. Now with digital media, they can simply delete the original story from their server, and noone, or at least most people, will have no evidence that it ever actually existed. News outlets, in general, are playing much more 'fast and loose' with the facts in the digital era vs. the former era of printed newspapers. In the old days, if something was widely reported (by many news outlets), it meant that it was probably true and had been verified by objective facts. Today, just because something is widely reported, doesn't necessarily mean it's true, because the story can simply be 'deleted' from these sources, and then it's gone. That was much harder to do with print media. 

It happens over and over.

If she was beaten or slapped (& this lead to her death), then the perpetrators need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Period.

But I'm fed up that these stories automatically just gets believed as credible, even though the sources pouting them have proven to be unreliable, biased, and pushing a regime change agenda. 

[shadow_of_light]

I dont know why they arrested her. Her hijab is not considered unusual or abnormal. Many women have a less complete hijab and police dont arrest them.

God give patience to her family. 

[khizarr]

4 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

What is way more than 'ironic' about this particular source is that when I was at Hajj in 2016, I saw with my own eyes, women in Saudi being beaten for showing their lower legs. This was in the Holy City of Mecca btw. These 'morality police' in Saudi are well known for being very brutal. So it's kind of a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I guess when this happens in Iran, then it's a horrific crime and crime against humanity but when the exact same thing happens in Saudi, it's just police enforcing the law. It is wrong in either case, btw, if it actually happened.

And, you know, it's also quite ironic that Shi'as will rush to defend Iran and not believe in anything until "credible evidence" is presented (which to them is probably Iranian or Russian media), but if a similar act of violence is carried out in Saudi Arabia, the same Shi'as will put their hands up and blame everything on "Wahabbism" and the Saudi kingdom. I mean, why do you not hold Iran to that same standard? Why is it that you need some kind of special evidence for these sort of happenings in Iran, but not for Saudi Arabia? 

Edited September 17, 2022 by khizarr

[Abu Nur]

11 minutes ago, khizarr said:

And, you know, it's also quite ironic that Shi'as will rush to defend Iran and not believe in anything until "credible evidence" is presented (which to them is probably Iranian or Russian media), but if a similar act of violence is carried out in Saudi Arabia, the same Shi'as will put their hands up and blame everything on "Wahabbism" and the Saudi kingdom. I mean, why do you not hold Iran to that same standard? Why is it that you need some kind of special evidence for these sort of happenings in Iran, but not for Saudi Arabia? 

It is not about special evidence, but about reliable and verifiable evidence. And even if we found such an evidence, what is the benefit such an knowledge to ourselves. 

[Abu Hadi]

44 minutes ago, khizarr said:

And, you know, it's also quite ironic that Shi'as will rush to defend Iran and not believe in anything until "credible evidence" is presented (which to them is probably Iranian or Russian media), but if a similar act of violence is carried out in Saudi Arabia, the same Shi'as will put their hands up and blame everything on "Wahabbism" and the Saudi kingdom. I mean, why do you not hold Iran to that same standard? Why is it that you need some kind of special evidence for these sort of happenings in Iran, but not for Saudi Arabia? 

Saudi police beating up random women for uncovering a small part of their leg, that I saw with my own eyes on more than one occasion. So I would tend to believe that.

The thing that happened in Iran, if you actually read my post I say that I don't know if it happened or not, but I'm not going to take a source like the one you used in your original post at face value, since they have a long history of putting up false, anti Iran propaganda. If a white supremacist website posted something about black people, would you take it at face value ? 

None of us were there, none of us saw what happened to this lady. The only way we will ever know what happened is with solid, credible evidence. I don't care where the evidence comes from. None of the evidence I have seen so far is solid or credible. I read the BBC article. All they said is that 'some people said they saw the women getting beat up by the police'. First, 'some people say' alot of things. Quoting a third party source with no way to verify who those people are or if they even said that is not considered credible evidence. In a US, that would be considered 'hearsay' and not admissible as evidence. Also, they gave no specific details, 'how many times she was hit, where they hit her, etc'. Something that could be corroborated and verified by objective third parties. 

I do hold Iran to the same standard. If what was reported actually happened, the person who did this should be fired, arrested, and tried for murder. I said that already and I think most people said that. What is in dispute here is not what should happen to the person, if they did this, I think we all agree on that. What is in dispute is whether it actually happened or not, and if it did, how it happened. Even if she was arrested, maybe pushed or shoved (again, I don't know if that happened or not), that wouldn't kill her, unless she had some sort of underlying medical condition that made her vunerable. If the officer didn't know about that, etc. So there should be an investigation. 

 

Edited September 17, 2022 by Abu Hadi

[GreenTree]

A very tragic story, wherever injustice happens. It is so hurtful. 

[Andaros]

We all knew as soon as she was identified as a Kurd there would be consequences, and will exacerbate existing tensions (not just with the Kurds).

The story that has gained traction is that she was beaten, including about the head, while being transported, causing a brain injury which eventually resulted in her death.

Predictable responses in Saqqez, Sanandaj etc. and Terhan being posted on social media.

Edited September 17, 2022 by Andaros
added location Sanandaj

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 9/16/2022 at 2:26 PM, khizarr said:

From Iran itself? You'll go about as far as IranWire and this is part of what they reported from a variety of other reports:

"IranWire spoke to three doctors about this. All three were emphatic that a “stroke”, which is what doctors at Kasra Hospital told the family she had suffered, could not cause this level of discoloring or external bleeding by itself. It indicates instead that Mahsa was struck to the head.

Salam we don't deny tragic death of her due to some mistreatments anyway whole of your so called information has been based from  Iran Wire which  is not from Iran which everybody knows that IranWire is running by notorious anti-Iran & anti Shia  propagandist from America which it's just a source of anti Iran & anti Shia propganda without any reliable or solid evidences which it's so called evidences has only created by imagination of ill minded people in IranWire without having any reliable source which as usual both of you & @kadhim have jumped on wrong conclusion from both of  infamous & totally unreliable sources againt iran  just  because of your grudge against Iran due to your disease in your hearts.

On 9/16/2022 at 7:56 PM, kadhim said:

Well, one apparent benefit to them in only engaging in such brutality once in awhile rather than in some massive, unmistakable surge, is that it gives space to apologists to muddy and deny on the basis of such thinking. As we see here. 

 

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Doubt is a serious disease

It is stated in the Holy Quran:

And as for those in whose hearts is a disease, it (signs of Allah) adds uncleanness to their uncleanness (disease of doubt) and they die while they are unbelievers.[208]

Doubt is a kind of blindness. A blind man remains doubtful of those things also which are just spread around him because he does not see them.

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Doubt is a sign of the disease of heart

The sign of the soundness of a man's heart is that he is sure and confident about the truth being correct and falsehood being incorrect and is in the position of knowledge and conviction, while the sign of the disease of the heart with respect to understanding truth and falsehood is that there is suspense and doubt regarding the rightfulness of truth and the refutation of falsehood.

Amirul Momineen Ali ((عليه السلام).) in one of his sermons says, “Do not become prey to wavering (suspense), otherwise your doubt will become strong and do not get entangled in doubt, otherwise you will become an infidel.”

Fourth Disease: Doubt | Qalbe-Saleem, Immaculate Conscience | Al-Islam.org

Doubt is a sign of the disease of heart (erfan.ir)

[Ashvazdanghe]

7 hours ago, Andaros said:

We all knew as soon as she was identified as a Kurd there would be consequences, and will exacerbate existing tensions (not just with the Kurds).

The story that has gained traction is that she was beaten, including about the head, while being transported, causing a brain injury which eventually resulted in her death.

Predictable responses in Saqqez, Sanandaj etc. and Terhan being posted on social media.

Salam it doesn't relate to her ethnicity or birthplace  but on the other hand  It's just making too much noise & propaganda & misinformation by fake accounts of  MKO terrorists plus some PanKurd terrorist groups likewise Pejak & PKK  which in any similar situation to this , they become too much active about spreading hatred & propganda in social Media in name of Kurds which  fake accounts of  MKO terrorists have had more share about spreading these wrong information & abusive words based on their usual propganda  doctrine against Iran for spreading false news & propganda in hope of causing unrest in border cities so then causing instability in whole of Iran .

[kadhim]

On 9/17/2022 at 7:10 AM, HzAbbas said:

Thats because we live here, you don't. 

I work with an entire office of women (40-50) who don't cover properly, and most have been picked up at some point by the morality Police. Despite them being annoyed about the experience, none of them have been assaulted or slapped, and even know exactly the Station this woman was taken to in Tehran.

A month ago it was a video of a woman allegedly being thrown from a moving Police van. Then when video evidence came out disproving this,  these stories conventiently disappeared from BBC and IranInternational. 

Well, I mean the people reporting experiencing these things live there too, so what kind of response is that? Look, I’ve been hearing reports of these sorts of abuses steadily, drip by drip, going back 20 years now. And always the same parade of dismissals and conspiracy theory and excuses. It becomes statistically absurd after awhile—unless you’re a hardcore ideologue who psychologically needs these sorts of stories to be false—to continue to take seriously the idea that it’s all made up.

As Ashgoshbegosh sort of inadvertently own-goaled above, at some point doubt becomes a sickness of heart. 

If you really love Iran as a country and want it to be the shining example you wish it to be in your imagination, then that means being honest, calling out the bad and the awful, and fixing it. 

 

Edited September 18, 2022 by kadhim

[HzAbbas]

54 minutes ago, kadhim said:

Well, I mean the people reporting experiencing these things live there too, so what kind of response is that? Look, I’ve been hearing reports of these sorts of abuses steadily, drip by drip, going back 20 years now. And always the same parade of dismissals and conspiracy theory and excuses. It becomes statistically absurd after awhile—unless you’re a hardcore ideologue who psychologically needs these sorts of stories to be false—to continue to take seriously the idea that it’s all made up.

As Ashgoshbegosh sort of inadvertently own-goaled above, at some point doubt becomes a sickness of heart. 

If you really love Iran as a country and want it to be the shining example you wish it to be in your imagination, then that means being honest, calling out the bad and the awful, and fixing it. 

 

I never denied abuses happen, I just exercise healthy scepticism when it the accusations also come from the same nonsense outlets intent om regime change.

I'm not a doctor, but my work relates directly to the medical field & have I seen with my own eyes the victims of acid attacks & extreme physical abuse - both of which are still serious problems, despite us changing the laws to severely punish them.

I live under no illusion to our social problems , but I do not believe systematic abuse by Police is one of them.

Can it happen? Yes. Does it happen? Probably. But not nearly the extent they are saying it does. And if it did happen I would 100% be in favour of the maximum punishment.

[Abu Hadi]

Most people should just stop and think for a second when they read articles like this. A police officer is a person. A person, any person, whether they are Muslims or non Muslim have seen women, who they are not related to, without hijab many times in their life. The only difference between say, Iran, and other countries like the US or Australia, is that in Iran, most women are wearing hijab in public, to a greater or lesser extent. Maybe not proper hijab, but they are at least covering most of their body whereas in other countries it is unusual to see women covering most of their body. 

So there are very few men, on earth, even in Iran, that have managed to go for decades of their life without seeing any non related women wearing little or no clothing. So we can't assume this policeman is one of those cases. So for a policeman to fly into a murderous rage because of seeing something that he has probably seen many, many times in his life is something that is extremely unlikely, logically. So, logically, we shouldn't assume the most unlikely scenario (although it is possible), we should assume the more likely scenarios, UNLESS THERE IS SOLID EVIDENCE that the most unlikely scenario actually happened. This is just strait logic, it has nothing to do with religion, per se. 

It is like the saying they tell doctors here in medical school. If you hear the clicking of hooves, think horse not moose (unless you live in Northern Canada, then maybe think Moose). The most common scenario is most of the time the right one. For example, if someone comes to a doctor and says 'I am overweight, I need help to loose weight', the first thing the doctor will do is put them on a low calorie diet. They are most likely overweight because they are eating too much. They could also have some kind of a metabolic issue, a parasite in their stomach, etc, but these are unlikely compared to the former. 

There are two scenarios here that are the most likely based on logic. First, is that this whole thing is made up. The women may have died, and also been in police custody, but there is no connection between the two, and she died of natural causes. This is very sad, especially because she was so young, and may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) help her family get thru this trying time, but this happens every single day, everywhere in the world. There is nothing unusual about it. The fact that she was in police custody a short while before she died is merely coincidence. Second, that something did happen to her in police custody that might have contributed to her death, but it had nothing to do with the police. She got in a fight with another inmate, took an overdose of drugs, had a panic attack, had a psychological meltdown, fell down stairs by accident, etc. This is less common but it does happen alot (at least in the US it does). Just because two events happen close to each other, in terms of sequence, does not mean that one caused the other. Correlation does not necessarily equal causation. That is one of the most basic rules of logic. If you want to say that correlation equals causation, you have to prove that with evidence. 

The scenario, that a policeman saw her without hijab and immediately flew into a fit of murderous rage, is the least likely scenario. Again and again, I have seen no solid evidence for this. At the same time, it is the responsibility of the Iranian govt to do a thorough and objective investigation, considering there was a death.  I don't consider aljezera.net, CNN, BBC, etc, solid evidence without corroboration by objective third party sources.  In other words, I don't take them 'at their word' because they have shown many times in the past that they like to play 'fast and loose' with the facts when it suits their preferred narrative, i.e. the the govt of Iran is a despotic and barbaric regime. 

Edited September 18, 2022 by Abu Hadi

[khizarr]

8 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

just  because of your grudge against Iran due to your disease in your hearts.

Thank you for diagnosing me. If I ever get caught by Iranian authorities and end up in the hospital, they can just resort to the 'underlying medical condition' excuse once again! They did the same with Haleh Sahabi, Sayyed Sattar, and now Mahsa Amini. Need I say more?

Also, many people on shiachat have brought this up to you, but you need to tone it down with the ego. You are not the shadow of Allah upon Earth. You have zero idea what is inside someone else's heart. Alright? If there is one thing you want to take away from Islam, it's humility. This is the last time I'm reaching out to you, but if you persist with the arrogance, I will simply block you. 
 

 

Edited September 18, 2022 by khizarr

[Ashvazdanghe]

13 hours ago, khizarr said:

Also, many people on shiachat have brought this up to you, but you need to tone it down with the ego. You are not the shadow of Allah upon Earth. You have zero idea what is inside someone else's heart. Alright? If there is one thing you want to take away from Islam, it's humility. This is the last time I'm reaching out to you, but if you persist with the arrogance, I will simply block you. 

Salam lol only you & @kadhim have said it about me which you consider yourselves as many people  

I have not claimed that I'm shadow of Allah upon on earth which your claim about me is insulting to Allah by you .

I have not judge you base on what is in your's heart but on the other hand apparently everyone can see your cooperation with @kadhim about normalizing LGBT & other anti Iran political movement likewise supporting green movement which your above statement about "Haleh Sahabi, Sayyed Sattar" is just baseless claims o green movement which has been supported by America & Israel against Iran.

Anyone needs to take humility from Islam because insimilar fashion you & 2kadhim have used abusive words against everyone who has opposed you .

Feel free to block me because we are totally opposit of each other which you don't tolerate anyone who opposes your baseless claims.

[khizarr]

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam lol only you & @kadhim have said it about me which you consider yourselves as many people  

No, actually, I can vividly remember a member by the name of Kenneth, as well as a moderator calling you out for this same exact reason on another post in which you were casually sending people to hell. Unlike you, I will not diagnose you, but I just want to point out that there is very consistent pattern of boastful remarks coming from your end. Maybe focus on improving yourself on that?

 

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

I have not claimed that I'm shadow of Allah upon on earth which your claim about me is insulting to Allah by you

Well no, Sherlock. Obviously you weren't going to come on a Muslim site and "claim" that; but your behavior is seriously impertinent and this is something you need to catch within yourself and put to rest before you spill it out in your word salad time and time again. And remember, practice makes perfect.

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

I have not judge you base on what is in your's heart

That is basically what you did, no? What else does "you hold a grudge against Iran due to a disease in your heart" mean? I mean, I'm not offended by your comment, it passed over my head and dropped straight into the bin where it belongs. But it's quite bold, and yet strange, for you to say something like that to someone who you don't know the first thing about.

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

but on the other hand apparently everyone can see your cooperation with @kadhim about normalizing LGBT & other anti Iran political movement likewise supporting green movement which your above statement about "Haleh Sahabi, Sayyed Sattar" is just baseless claims o green movement which has been supported by America & Israel against Iran.

This is just hilarious. I really have nothing to say to this one. You win, my friend. 
 

 

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Anyone needs to take humility from Islam because insimilar fashion you & 2kadhim have used abusive words against everyone who has opposed you .

Another accusation. Except this time my entire comment history is displayed on my profile and everyone can see exactly what "abusive words" I have chosen to put out here.

Tough luck.

1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Feel free to block me because we are totally opposit of each other which you don't tolerate anyone who opposes your baseless claims.

*yawns*
 

Will do.

Edited September 19, 2022 by khizarr

[Ashvazdanghe]

1 hour ago, khizarr said:

No, actually, I can vividly remember a member by the name of Kenneth, as well as a moderator calling you out for this same exact reason on another post in which you were casually sending people to hell. Unlike you, I will not diagnose you, but I just want to point out that there is very consistent pattern of boastful remarks coming from your end. Maybe focus on improving yourself on that?

 

1 hour ago, khizarr said:

Well no, Sherlock. Obviously you weren't going to come on a Muslim site and "claim" that; but your behavior is seriously impertinent and this is something you need to catch within yourself and put to rest before you spill it out in your word salad time and time again. And remember, practice makes perfect.

 

Yeah , I need more practice about being patient anyway I have been right which at the end all anyone from users who have received my boastful remarks has banned by Admins due to showing  their real color .

1 hour ago, khizarr said:

That is basically what you did, no? What else does "you hold a grudge against Iran due to a disease in your heart" mean? I mean, I'm not offended by your comment, it passed over my head and dropped straight into the bin where it belongs. But it's quite bold, and yet strange, for you to say something like that to someone who you don't know the first thing about.

Anytime that a thread is about supporting LGBT or criticizing Iran both of you & @kadhim are most active user for supporting LGBT or criticizing Iran due to burst in your heart & mind .

 

1 hour ago, khizarr said:

Another accusation. Except this time my entire comment history is displayed on my profile and everyone can see exactly what "abusive words" I have chosen to put out here.

clearly @Abu Hadi multiple times has provided most logical answers which both of you have responded him with most rude & abusive words.

[Guest Mujtaba Kazmi]

Yesterday a Women Mahsa Amini was Arrested by Irani Moral Police and she probably died in Jail.

What are your thoughts on this? Don't you think forcing Hijab to this extent where someone is arrested and punished is wrong.

Shouldn't Rehber raise his voice against this law..

I thought this only happens in Saud who ruined Islam with their dumb Saudi ideologies

What are your thoughts as huge protests have started in Iran against govt and probably Rehber Khomenei too

[starlight]

It was very shocking, to say the least.

[kadhim]

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/19/mahsa-amini-iran-protests-enter-third-day-after-kurdish-womans-death-in-custody

“The head of Iran’s morality police has reportedly been suspended from his post as protests swept across Iran for a third day over the killing of a 22-year-old Kurdish woman who was detained by the police after being accused of not wearing the hijab appropriately.”

I dish it out hard—as anyone who actually believes in justice should do—but I’m fair, so I also give credit where credit is due. Good to see some sort of accountability. 

Edited September 20, 2022 by kadhim

[3wliya_maryam]

Allah yirhamha... and may Allah give patience to her family. Truly heart breaking.

I don't understand why anyone would doubt this happening. This truly is not the first time such a crime has occurred nor will it be the last. Like HELLO WAKE UP. Irani regime has been abusing women of not wearing the headscarves for years, and the fact that people deny such events from happening honestly baffle me. Stop sympathising these officials and leaders who have done nothing but cause fitna and hatred amongst Muslims. The evidence is already there, but people still beat around the bush. 

[Laayla]

Hello CIA bot,

Thanks for stopping by to get the latest opinions of the Shias.

Are you sure Mahsa is a woman?  Because I don't know if she identifies as a woman.

BTW, define what a woman is?

Were you able to see the CCTV video that was released?  Oh no, you can't because that shows the truth and we can't have that displayed on MSM, because that's against your imperialistic agenda.

 

[starlight]

2 hours ago, Laayla said:

Hello CIA bot,

Thanks for stopping by to get the latest opinions of the Shias.

Are you sure Mahsa is a woman?  Because I don't know if she identifies as a woman.

BTW, define what a woman is?

Were you able to see the CCTV video that was released?  Oh no, you can't because that shows the truth and we can't have that displayed on MSM, because that's against your imperialistic agenda.

 

???? Sorry?

Regardless of ones gender or religious practices , a human was beaten to death.