Real reasons miracles don't occur like ancient times today

[Dawid Das]

Miracles exist In every religion. We know this through research. Today it doesn't occur like ancient times because people have lots of doubts. Ancient people had more faith in there religion. Today people rely more on technology and science than spirituality

[Ashvazdanghe]

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Yeah , It's become harder to convince people about happening miracles due to having more & more achievements on technology & science which due to great changes in lifestyle of people because of  spreading doubts everywhere by help of technology & science so then we have decrease in spirituality anyway  technology & science are just tools not cause of decreasing in spirituality.

 

[VoidVortex]

You're right, miracles rarely happen. In Islam there is something called karamat(gifts?) where you are essentially given superpowers, and this is as a result of high spirituality. Miracles exist, but the people who can practice them are pretty rare I guess. Like in Najaf a few decades ago, apparently I've seen a few times through accounts, that a decent amount of students could teleport(its called tay-ul-ardh, folding of the earth). You'll see spiritual teachers have this ability too, and have other abilities. Maybe if you go to the right people in the right places you could observe miracles.

We even believe that non-muslims have miracles too. Like yogis in India and ascetics in India. Its not farfetched to see them do something beyond normal human capability, and this may include defying physics. However we believe that for these people, these powers are their recompense in this world, so instead of being rewarded for their self-restraint in the afterlife, they are given their reward here in the form of superpowers. There was a spiritual scholar who had an encounter with a yogi, and the yogi did something extraordinary, to which the spiritual scholar responded with something extraordinary too. 

[Dawid Das]

5 hours ago, VoidVortex said:

You're right, miracles rarely happen. In Islam there is something called karamat(gifts?) where you are essentially given superpowers, and this is as a result of high spirituality. Miracles exist, but the people who can practice them are pretty rare I guess. Like in Najaf a few decades ago, apparently I've seen a few times through accounts, that a decent amount of students could teleport(its called tay-ul-ardh, folding of the earth). You'll see spiritual teachers have this ability too, and have other abilities. Maybe if you go to the right people in the right places you could observe miracles.

We even believe that non-muslims have miracles too. Like yogis in India and ascetics in India. Its not farfetched to see them do something beyond normal human capability, and this may include defying physics. However we believe that for these people, these powers are their recompense in this world, so instead of being rewarded for their self-restraint in the afterlife, they are given their reward here in the form of superpowers. There was a spiritual scholar who had an encounter with a yogi, and the yogi did something extraordinary, to which the spiritual scholar responded with something extraordinary too. 

And to atheists these will seem like magic tricks to them as they believe more in science than religion. It takes faith in spirituality to see the spirit world

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 8/21/2022 at 7:56 PM, Dawid Das said:

Miracles exist In every religion. We know this through research. Today it doesn't occur like ancient times because people have lots of doubts. Ancient people had more faith in there religion. Today people rely more on technology and science than spirituality

Belief is the criteria for miracles to happen but if there is lack of belief, the miracles which happen are called as coincidences.

[Muslim2010]

Miracles and the Principle of Causality: Christian and Shi’a Perspectives

Abstract

The issue of miracles has always been a controversial one, both in theology, philosophy, and science. Most of the philosophers' and scientists' objections against miracles are founded on their claim of miracles being contrary to nature or breaking the laws of nature and the principle of causality.

In this paper, I will briefly mention these objections and quote responses and explanations from both the Christian and Shi'a perspectives, and I will conclude that miracles are not against the principle of causality.

Introduction

In proving the necessity of religion, it is established that reason and experience do not suffice human beings in achieving happiness in this world and in the Hereafter. Therefore, revelation is needed. However, how can the reliability of the claim of a Prophet be proven?

The Prophet must prove his claim by showing his link to God, and this is where the importance of miracles and their theological value becomes clear.

Based on this from an Islamic perspective, a miracle can be defined as "An act contrary to the (normal) course of nature, depending upon the power of God. It has two characteristics: a) it cannot be taught and learnt, and b) it cannot be overpowered by another factor."1 In the case of Prophets, a miracle is accompanied by a claim of prophethood.2

According to Islam, the Qur'an is the most important and eternal miracle of the Prophet Muhammad, and the main proof on which the truthfulness of his claim of Prophethood is based.

Miracles and the Principle of Causality: Christian and Shi’a Perspectives | Miracles and the Principle of Causality: Christian and Shi’a Perspectives | Al-Islam.org

A nice article about the subject of miracles, the following conclusion can be drawn from it:

Conclusion

For both Christian and Shi'a theologians, there is no contradiction between miracles and the principle of causality. The perspectives are summed up as follows: God is the Creator of the Universe whohas set up the rules and manages the Universe. This is the pure monotheism in which we believe. Based on some of these rules, phenomena may sometimes be caused by factors - either natural or supernatural - that our experience cannot explain.

Through miracles, which are accompanied by the decisive will of God and cannot be overpowered, God reminds us of His absolute power. Shi'a scholars emphasize that miracles also show His support to the Prophets for people to trust their claim of Prophethood. He therefore accomplishes His promise and duty to provide us with guidance towards eternal happiness.

The majority of the scholars of both religions state that the efforts of some people to explain miracles in a way to make them fit the principles of modern sciences are unacceptable. Interestingly, both Augustine and Allamah Tabatabai suggest that miracles may be the effects of speeded up natural processes, and this can be a subject of further study in the field of comparative theology.

 

[Borntowitnesstruth]

I also forgot to mention that there are millions of believers whose prayers get answered and the things which are impossible for them become possible. These can also be called as miracles.

[Borntowitnesstruth]

Besides literary miracles of the Holy Quran, Nehjul Balagha and quotes of Ahlebait (عليه السلام), I would also like to direct your attention towards the stone upon which head of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) was kept for ghusl and Turbah of karbala. The stone releases blood on every 10th of Muharram and same is the case with Turbah or soil of karbala kept in Karbala Museum. The stone is kept in Syria.

[Guest curio]

5 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

I also forgot to mention that there are millions of believers whose prayers get answered and the things which are impossible for them become possible. These can also be called as miracles.

Can you give example of this, were what's impossible becomes possible. You said millions, so you must have some to share with you.

[Guest curio]

5 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

Besides literary miracles of the Holy Quran, Nehjul Balagha and quotes of Ahlebait (عليه السلام), I would also like to direct your attention towards the stone upon which head of Imam Hussain (عليه السلام) was kept for ghusl and Turbah of karbala. The stone releases blood on every 10th of Muharram and same is the case with Turbah or soil of karbala kept in Karbala Museum. The stone is kept in Syria.

never heard of this. can you show this?

[Borntowitnesstruth]

21 hours ago, Guest curio said:

Can you give example of this, were what's impossible becomes possible. You said millions, so you must have some to share with you.

well bro, some of my prayers were granted such as I prayed to get relief from waswas and I saw a dream that gave me solution and it got verified by the quote of an infallible Imam. And, I am sure that i am not the only one whose prayer is granted. The visiting of shrines by the people and their clinging to prayer mat is proof that their prayers are granted too.

[Borntowitnesstruth]

22 hours ago, Guest curio said:

never heard of this. can you show this?

 

 

 

[Guest curio]

30 minutes ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

well bro, some of my prayers were granted such as I prayed to get relief from waswas and I saw a dream that gave me solution and it got verified by the quote of an infallible Imam.

what do you mean by infallible imam got it verified, not sure i understood u correctly. and relief from waswas, how is that miracle.

24 minutes ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

 

 

 

 

Ok, can we actually verify that stone or sand turned into blood other than video capture? I havn't heard of stone or sand having capillaries, so how is that possible unless there some gimmick behind it.

[Borntowitnesstruth]

On 9/9/2022 at 3:55 PM, Guest curio said:

what do you mean by infallible imam got it verified, not sure i understood u correctly. and relief from waswas, how is that miracle.

On 9/9/2022 at 3:29 PM, Borntowitnesstruth said:

Bro, that is a personal information but I could tell you that what I heard in dream, I saw later on a quote from Imam Muhammad al Baqir (عليه السلام) which said same. So what I heard in dream, I saw a quote regarding it while I was awake. That was a miracle for me. I haven't seen anyone's dream coming true in real life.

 

On 9/9/2022 at 3:55 PM, Guest curio said:

Ok, can we actually verify that stone or sand turned into blood other than video capture? I havn't heard of stone or sand having capillaries, so how is that possible unless there some gimmick behind it.

If you think that there is a gimmick behind it, I would just say that verify it yourself if you can by visiting those places. 

[realizm]

Miracles were never a part of Allah's religion. 

All extraordinary phenomenon described in the Qur'an were powers given to Prophets in order to establish belief through clear proofs, rather than just miracles subject to doubts, like a statue or a wall bleeding. 

Edited October 6, 2022 by realizm