Advanced Member Silas Posted August 18, 2022 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 My son is learning Farsi, and he was complaining that it was difficult. He said "why can't I learn a European language"! (Farsi is, in reality, an Indo-European language, and its grammar is familiar) so I said "sure, why not one of the Celtic languages like this one"? He went screaming back to Farsi lol. Hameedeh, Diaz, Ashvazdanghe and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Administrators Hameedeh Posted August 19, 2022 Forum Administrators Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Silas said: My son is learning Farsi, and he was complaining that it was difficult. He said "why can't I learn a European language"! I could only listen to that Gaelic speech for 2 minutes and 45 seconds. All languages are difficult to learn, because you have to put time and effort into it. However, Farsi and Arabic are beautiful languages. Silas, ShiaChat Mod, Diaz and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Silas Posted August 19, 2022 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 16 hours ago, Hameedeh said: I could only listen to that Gaelic speech for 2 minutes and 45 seconds. All languages are difficult to learn, because you have to put time and effort into it. However, Farsi and Arabic are beautiful languages. I wouldn't say Gaelic is beautiful lol. Farsi certainly is (more so than Arabic). Gaelic sounds barbarian lol ShiaChat Mod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Administrators Hameedeh Posted August 20, 2022 Forum Administrators Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 11 hours ago, Silas said: I wouldn't say Gaelic is beautiful lol. I wouldn't say that either! It is definitely hard to learn. ShiaChat Mod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Member Popular Post Ali Mahdi Posted August 20, 2022 Veteran Member Popular Post Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 The grammar of PERSIAN is actually quite easy and mostly straightforward. I did have a difficult time learning it because I had never studied or learned another language before and came from a monolingual English background but compared to Arabic, Persian is very simple and it is indeed a beautiful language. Samarra313, Hameedeh, PureExistence1 and 3 others 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Traveller_ Posted August 20, 2022 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 I'm learning Persian atm and the grammar is a piece of cake. The hardest part is listening, Spoken Persian (Tahroni Persian in particular) is very hard because it doesn't follow the grammar rules and to me seems arbitrary, it is also spoken in a fast manner Building up the vocabulary is also hard though not so much as listening ShiaChat Mod, Ashvazdanghe, Hameedeh and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Popular Post Silas Posted August 21, 2022 Author Advanced Member Popular Post Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Traveller_ said: I'm learning Persian atm and the grammar is a piece of cake. The hardest part is listening, Spoken Persian (Tahroni Persian in particular) is very hard because it doesn't follow the grammar rules and to me seems arbitrary, it is also spoken in a fast manner Building up the vocabulary is also hard though not so much as listening the most difficult aspect for me is the Persian alphabet for sure. Pronunciation isn't too bad, and the grammar is straightforward. Gaelic has relatively tricky grammar, but some of the most difficult pronunciation of any language Traveller_, ShiaChat Mod, Northwest and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Abu Hadi Posted August 21, 2022 Moderators Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 8/19/2022 at 7:13 PM, Silas said: I wouldn't say Gaelic is beautiful lol. Farsi certainly is (more so than Arabic). Gaelic sounds barbarian lol For the Star Trek fans, I think they got the Klingon language from Gaelic Ashvazdanghe, Hameedeh, ShiaChat Mod and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ashvazdanghe Posted August 21, 2022 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 8/19/2022 at 2:38 AM, Silas said: My son is learning Farsi, and he was complaining that it was difficult. He said "why can't I learn a European language"! (Farsi is, in reality, an Indo-European language, and its grammar is familiar) Hi , respectfully do both of you are learning Farsi or just your son because until know I just have seen that people in foreigh countries have started learning Farsi after entering to university which I have not seen that anyone has started learning Farsi from childhood . ShiaChat Mod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Silas Posted August 24, 2022 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 On 8/21/2022 at 2:36 AM, Ashvazdanghe said: Hi , respectfully do both of you are learning Farsi or just your son because until know I just have seen that people in foreigh countries have started learning Farsi after entering to university which I have not seen that anyone has started learning Farsi from childhood . Mostly my son right now --I have been too busy with work. I know some phrases and expressions, but that is it right now. I'd like to start learning it again when I have time (and ultimately go on a trip to Iran) Ashvazdanghe and ShiaChat Mod 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ashvazdanghe Posted August 25, 2022 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 25, 2022 How I Learn Persian in 2022 - Months 3 and 4 - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDriuMnURNk Dutch Guys Speak Farsi - Learning Persian day 54 Dutch Guy Speaks Persian on Day 160 - YouTube PureExistence1, ShiaChat Mod and Silas 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member VoidVortex Posted February 8 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 8 salam @Ashvazdanghe do you have farsi ebooks or could you find me easy farsi books online, like children's stories that are semi difficult or something else. ShiaChat Mod and PureExistence1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member PureExistence1 Posted February 8 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 8 Salaam all, Im in iran right now and so very much wishing id worked on my farsi before heading over! I can read most everything but have no idea what it means and also sometimes i dont get the vowels right cuz unless i know more words/vocabulary, I end up guessing at the vowel sounds. I am in no position to actually speak to anyone lol, however, i seem to understand much of what is being spoken or referred to around me, alhamdulilah. ShiaChat Mod and Ashvazdanghe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Development Team Gaius I. Caesar Posted February 9 Development Team Report Share Posted February 9 On 8/19/2022 at 7:13 PM, Silas said: I wouldn't say Gaelic is beautiful lol. Farsi certainly is (more so than Arabic). Gaelic sounds barbarian lol Nonsense, all languages are beautiful. ShiaChat Mod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ashvazdanghe Posted February 9 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 9 4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said: Nonsense, all languages are beautiful. Salam anybody has different taste & opinion about any language which can make comparison based on their mindset anyway Arabic & Farsi have a great history & most valuable collections of beuatifual & meaningful literature while French as most favorit language of many people just has initiated it's way as a beutiful languae since 18th century but on the other hand Arbic literature has been emerged in the 5th century and flourished during the Islamic Golden Age (mid-7th century through the mid-13th century) which also Persian literature, the body of writings in New Persian (also called Modern Persian), is composed in the form of the Persian language written since the 9th century which during that era all of European language whther French or branches British languages have been barbaric languages until British english & French literature have been initiated under influnece of Arabic & somehow Farsi literature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ashvazdanghe Posted February 9 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 9 https://iranpress.com/content/58727/persian-literature-what-iran-known-for https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/series/history-of-persian-literature/ https://www.britannica.com/art/Persian-literature Quote Persian literature is the jewel in the crown of Persian culture. It has profoundly influenced the literatures of Ottoman Turkey, Muslim India and Turkic Central Asia. Yet Persian literature has never received the attention it truly deserves. https://cfis.columbia.edu/research-projects/history-persian-literature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ashvazdanghe Posted February 9 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 9 14 hours ago, VoidVortex said: salam @Ashvazdanghe do you have farsi ebooks or could you find me easy farsi books online, like children's stories that are semi difficult or something else. Salam Here are some links you must install app of ebooks Quote https://fidibo.com/category/children?page=1&keyword=&sorting= https://www.ketabrah.ir/collection/1112/کتابهای-رایگان-کودک-و-نوجوان?sort=newest https://ketabesabz.com/category/teenager https://taaghche.com/pages/دانلود-کتاب-های-رایگان-از-طاقچه Free but mixed with adult book (needs to install app of ebook) Quote https://taaghche.com/pages/دانلود-کتاب-های-رایگان-از-طاقچه password for unpacking books after download : www.takbook.com https://www.takbook.com/cat/children-ebook/ https://www.parsbook.com/category/کودک VoidVortex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ashvazdanghe Posted February 9 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 9 14 hours ago, VoidVortex said: salam @Ashvazdanghe do you have farsi ebooks or could you find me easy farsi books online, like children's stories that are semi difficult or something else. Free children's stories (needs to install app of ebook) https://taaghche.com/filter?filter-category=51&filter-custom=2&filter-bookType=0&filter-target=0&order=5 VoidVortex and Silas 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Development Team Gaius I. Caesar Posted February 9 Development Team Report Share Posted February 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said: Salam anybody has different taste & opinion about any language which can make comparison based on their mindset anyway Arabic & Farsi have a great history & most valuable collections of beuatifual & meaningful literature while French as most favorit language of many people just has initiated Wasalam alaikum, that's why I said "Nonsense, all languages are beautiful", because beauty is subjective and can be found in any language. The idea of a "barbarian language" is the main reason why colonists tried to assimilate Native Americans by forcing them to speak either English, Spanish or French. 2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said: French as most favorit language of many people just has initiated it's way as a beutiful languae since 18th century What does this mean, "just has initiated", this is a very strange thing to say. The French language is far older than the 18th century and completely transformed the English language between 1066 and 1453 A.D and it shares the same Roman legacy as Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian, Sardinian and Occitan. Edited February 9 by Gaius I. Caesar Ashvazdanghe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ashvazdanghe Posted February 9 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 9 12 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said: What does this mean, "just has initiated", this is a very strange thing to say. The French language is far older than the 18th century and completely transformed the English language between 1066 and 1453 A.D and it shares the same Roman legacy as Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian, Sardinian and Occitan. Salam i say it generally anyway greatest French literatures returns back to 18th & later which before that only few rare great french works are available which it has been became popular since 18th century by Honoré de Balzac & Alexandre Dumas & others Quote The history of French literature could be grouped under the medieval period, the sixteenth century, seventeenth century, eighteenth century, nineteenth century, twentieth century and contemporary. The medieval French literature was written in early middle and old French languages. Quote What is the most famous French literature? The Greatest French Novels Les Misérables. by Victor Hugo. La Cousine Bette. by Honoré de Balzac. La Vie mode d'emploi (Life A User's Manual) by Georges Perec. Les Fleurs Bleues (Blue on Blue) by Raymond Queneau. Pseudo (Hocus Bogus) by Romain Gary. https://fivebooks.com/best-books/french-novels-david-bellos/ Who is the father of French literature? Prolific in several genres, Dumas began his career by writing plays, which were successfully produced from the first. He also wrote numerous magazine articles and travel books; his published works totalled 100,000 pages. In the 1840s, Dumas founded the Théâtre Historique in Paris. Alexandre Dumas - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Alexandre_Dumas https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alexandre-Dumas-pere https://www.crosswordsolver.com/clue/FRENCH-AUTHOR-AND-DRAMATIST-WHO-IS-REGARDED-AS-THE-FATHER-OF-MODERN-FRENCH-LITERATURE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ashvazdanghe Posted February 9 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 9 25 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said: The idea of a "barbarian language" is the main reason why colonists tried to assimilate Native Americans by forcing them to speak either English, Spanish or French. Salam idea of being Barbarian first time has been mentioned by greeks by calling Iranians as Barberian which later it has been used by colonists for destroying whole of culture & civilaztion of other nations likewise " assimilation Native Americans by forcing them to speak either English, Spanish or French. "& destroying & looting anything which has been refering to having superior knowledge & civilazation of any nation over europaen colonists. Yusuf71 and Hameedeh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Silas Posted February 11 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 11 On 2/8/2023 at 6:43 PM, Gaius I. Caesar said: Nonsense, all languages are beautiful. you are correct lol --I should not say it is barbaric, just different Hameedeh and Ashvazdanghe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Yusuf71 Posted February 16 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 16 I speak a bit of Gaelic and I´m currently learning Farsi. I am surprised how many Farsi (or perhaps Arabic) words are in Gaelic like khaleej (gulf) or Is MIse Yusuf (my name is yusuf). Farsi grammar is actually very easy, the problem with Gaelic is that it doesnt look like how it sounds. It never had a written history until much later, it was only oral and has so many dialects that trying to find a standard is a problem. Theres a little bit of info on Irish Gaelic (Scottish Gaelic´s cousin) and its relationship with Arabic here https://www.albawaba.com/slideshow/arab-irish-connection-nobody-told-you-about-818170 VoidVortex, Silas and Ashvazdanghe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Silas Posted February 19 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 19 On 2/16/2023 at 2:26 PM, Yusuf71 said: I speak a bit of Gaelic and I´m currently learning Farsi. I am surprised how many Farsi (or perhaps Arabic) words are in Gaelic like khaleej (gulf) or Is MIse Yusuf (my name is yusuf). Farsi grammar is actually very easy, the problem with Gaelic is that it doesnt look like how it sounds. It never had a written history until much later, it was only oral and has so many dialects that trying to find a standard is a problem. Theres a little bit of info on Irish Gaelic (Scottish Gaelic´s cousin) and its relationship with Arabic here https://www.albawaba.com/slideshow/arab-irish-connection-nobody-told-you-about-818170 this is very interesting indeed. If you go to the west parts of Ireland, and into the Gaeltacht, the people look much different. They have very dark hair (as dark as Iranians and Arabs--almost as dark as Japanese), pale skin, delicate features, and they tend to be much shorter than people in the east. Most have very dark eyes, but a small minority have very pale blue eyes: These are the Celts, and not to be confused with the Nordic people, with their red hair, towering height, etc. So I think it is true that these Celts originated from Mesopotamian farmers Ashvazdanghe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ashvazdanghe Posted February 19 Advanced Member Report Share Posted February 19 10 hours ago, Silas said: These are the Celts, and not to be confused with the Nordic people, with their red hair, towering height, etc. So I think it is true that these Celts originated from Mesopotamian farmers Hi , interestingly some people likewise Vallancey, Charles has tried to relate Ireland to Iran through some common ground of myths & celtic language & which has tried to find some similarity between rituals of Droids & Zoroastrainasim in Iran which in similar fashion Moore, Thomas & Mangan, James Clarence have created fables about similarity of resistance of Irish people against Britain through imagainary stories of resistance of Iranians against invasion of Arabs & ottomans anyway Iran & ireland & peole of both countries have positive thoughs about each other which some people likewise Vallancey, Charles have tries to show that name of ireland has taken from Iran due to migration of people from Iranians regions likewise Mesopotamia which has been a territory of Iran until end of Sasanid era which city of Madain &ruins of it are heritage of Sasanids kings as capital of Sasanids. Quote BBC Radio 3 – Goethe and the West-Eastern Divan, https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/b01l0drs. Accessed 19 July 2018. Fegan, Melissa. “Every Irishman Is an Arab”. James Clarence Mangan’s Eastern “Translations” . Translation and Literature, Edinburgh University Press Journals, vol. 22, no. 2, juin 2013, pp. 195–۲۱۴. Hobsbawm, Eric J. Nations and Nationalism since 1780: Programme, Myth, Reality. 2 edition, Cambridge University Press, 2012. Hobsbawm, Eric J., and Terence Ranger, editors. The Invention of Tradition. Reissue edition, Cambridge University Press, 2012. Lennon, Joseph. Irish Orientalism: A Literary and Intellectual History. Syracuse University Press, 2008. Mangan, James Clarence., and Seán Ryder. James Clarence Mangan: Selected Writings. University College Dublin Press, 2004. Moore, Thomas. Lalla Rookh: An Oriental Romance. Longman, 1817. Vallancey, Charles. A Grammar of the Iberno-Celtic, or Irish Language, An Essay on the Celtic Language. Dublin : printed, and sold by R. Marchbank, 1782, http://archive.org/details/agrammaribernoc01vallgoog. ———–. A Vindication of the Ancient History of Ireland: Wherein Is Shewn, I. The Descent of Its Old … for Luke White, no. 86 , Dame – Street, 1786. Internet Archive, http://archive.org/details/avindicationanc00vallgoog. ———–. An Essay on the Primitive Inhabitants of Great Britain and Ireland, Proving from History, Language and Mythology That They Were Persians or Indo Scythae, Composed of Scythians, Chaldeans and Indians. Dublin, Printed by Graisberry and Campbell, 1807, http://archive.org/details/anessayonprimit00vallgoog. ———–. Collectanea de Rebus Hibernicis. Dublin, T. Ewing, 1770. https://www.shahrivar.org/117/ Silas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Veteran Member ireallywannaknow Posted March 20 Veteran Member Report Share Posted March 20 What resources are you all using to teach your kids Farsi? Please share! I am trying to learn with him so something geared towards kids that also benefits me as an adult would be great. I bought the Dinolingo course. It has helped with basic vocab (colors, numbers, animals, food, body parts, etc) but I feel it is really lacking in learning sentence building/structure and verbs/ verb conjugations. So we can say words but can't build sentences. Where do we go from there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Silas Posted March 21 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21 8 hours ago, ireallywannaknow said: What resources are you all using to teach your kids Farsi? Please share! I am trying to learn with him so something geared towards kids that also benefits me as an adult would be great. I bought the Dinolingo course. It has helped with basic vocab (colors, numbers, animals, food, body parts, etc) but I feel it is really lacking in learning sentence building/structure and verbs/ verb conjugations. So we can say words but can't build sentences. Where do we go from there? he is using Persianpod101, and a couple books. I've thought about getting him an online tutor. iTalki is a good resource for that. hardest part is the alphabet and writing (obviously) Ashvazdanghe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Member ireallywannaknow Posted March 21 Veteran Member Report Share Posted March 21 2 hours ago, Silas said: he is using Persianpod101, and a couple books. I've thought about getting him an online tutor. iTalki is a good resource for that. hardest part is the alphabet and writing (obviously) Thank you! I never heard of Persianpod but the website looks really great so far, I will def look into it more. Ashvazdanghe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ashvazdanghe Posted March 21 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21 2 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said: برآمد باد صبح و بوی نوروز به کام دوستان و بخت پیروز مبارک بادت این سال و همه سال همایون بادت این روز و همه روز سعدی 'Arrived the morning breeze and the scent of Nowruz, Good luck, my friends, may fortune aid you! Greetings for this year, and for all years to come, Blessings for this day, and for all days to come! ' -Sa'adi Greetings on Nowruz! Expand Salam thanks a million & greeting on Nowruz on your & all of members of Shiachat. سلام عید نوروز برشما و همگی مبارک باشد. وقت آن شد که به گل حکم شکفتن بدهی ای سرانگشت تو آغاز گل افشانی ها قیصر امین پور It becomes time that [you] give order of blossoming to flower Oh! who his fingertip is start of bloomings Qaysar Aminpour https://namnak.com/اشعار-زیبای-بهاری.p27510 https://www.duas.org/nawroz.htm AbdusSibtayn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Yusuf71 Posted March 21 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21 there are a number of youtube clips which recite vocabulary in English and Farsi for 2 or 3 hours. I converted them to mp3 clips to avoid the ads Ashvazdanghe and Silas 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Member ireallywannaknow Posted March 22 Veteran Member Report Share Posted March 22 I think Persianpod is a little too advanced for my son so I don't think I'll be buying it atm. He needs something more child friendly/ visual. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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